But before all of that, lets get the news with polly middlehurst. Middlehurst. Nigel, thank you and good evening. Well, the news begins with the story of a man who broke into Windsor Castle armed with a loaded crossbow with intent of killing the late queen. Hes been sentenced today to nine years in jail for treason and just one single wounded into the grounds for two hours on Christmas Day in 2021. While the late queen was still in residence , the old bailey in residence, the old bailey heard hed been encouraged by an Artificial Intelligence virtue loyal girlfriend with which hed exchanged thousands of messages. As the judge said, jail was non psychotic and therefore culpable when he devised his plot. But it had lost touch with reality and became psychotic by the time he carried it out. Sir the time he carried it out. Sir keir starmer has revealed today an extra 700,000 urgent dental appointments would be introduced under labour plans to improve the nations oral health. The party says it will also introduce supervised toothbrush washing in schools across england in order to tackle preventable tooth decay in children. People in most need of children. People in most need of treatments , including fillings treatments, including fillings and root canal work , would be and root canal work, would be prioritised under proposals aimed at rescuing nhs dentistry, as they call it. The plans would as they call it. The plans would be backed. Labour says by £111 million a year, which they say will come from abolishing non domiciled tax status. Sir keir says labour wants to target areas where people cant get a dental appointment too many places across the country theres a desert out where you cant get an nhs dentist, so we also have a scheme in place to ensure that we get a newly qualified dentists into to those areas. So thats the immediate fix. But obviously in the longer term we need to do preventative measures. So the third limb of this is , is tooth brushing at this is, is tooth brushing at schools where weve got the biggest problems in our breakfast clubs to make sure that children are brushing the right way and therefore we prevent some of problems. Prevent some of the problems. Well, as youve just been hearing, the Prime Minister is in spain and hes been meeting with ukrainian president , in spain and hes been meeting with uizelenskyy esident, in spain and hes been meeting with uizelenskyy saying, Volodymyr Zelenskyy saying europe face down the threat europe must face down the threat from russia. Rishi sunak is there for the European Political Community summit. The Prime Minister condemned todays attack in ukraine and reiterated the uks support for the country in their ongoing war. At least 51 people died after a Russian Missile hit a cafe in North Eastern ukraine. Its reported the victims were holding a memorial service. At the time, memorial service. At the time, ukrainian officials called it a heinous crime. It appears to be heinous crime. It appears to be one of the biggest single civilian death tolls since the start of the war. And rishi sunak said that the only person responsible for the conflict is the russian president , vladimir putin. I just come from meeting president zelenskyy where we discussed this horrific attack that has just happened. It just illustrates russias barbarity. Illustrates russias barbarity. And president putin can say all he likes. There is one person responsible for this illegal and unprovoked war and it is him and he should stop. And thats why he should stop. And thats why the uk has been steadfast fast in supporting ukraine and will continue to do so. Im proud that we were one of the first and we are one of the largest supporters of ukraine. That will continue to be the case. This is gb news across the uk on tv in your car, on Digital Radio and on your Smart Speaker by play gb news. This is by saying play gb news. This is britains news channel. Britains news channel. Good evening. Well, if you listen to rishi sunak yesterday, you would think all of our problems in the English Channel have been solved and the numbers are down 20 this year. This time this year on last year. So should we all be happy that 25,000, mostly young men without identities have crossed the engush identities have crossed the English Channel . I dont think so. And the traffickers have got a new technique. You see, we have now given or promised the french up to £800 million to stop the boats leaving those beaches. And it is true that the French Police do go up to those dinghies when theyre in the sand dunes or making their way down across the beach towards the sea. They do go up and put knives in them. And it happens to many of the boats. So the traffickers have now got a new method in this footage. Im going to show you right now was taken just outside calais earlier this week. So see whats earlier this week. So see whats going on here. The dinghy, the massive dinghy that will take between 70 and 80 people is already at sea. It hasnt launched from that beach. Its come out of one of the rivers and come around effectively. Its whats now called a taxi boat. Its whats now called a taxi boat. And you can see the people boat. And you can see the people that are getting onto that boat have to wade out into the water virtually up to their chests in water before theyre taken into the boat. You can see there someone falling out of the boat, another person falling out of the boat. What this means is these very, very heavy , heavily these very, very heavy, heavily laden. Now, there are three people coming back off that boat. I people coming back off that boat. I think theyre the traffickers that loaded the people onto it. But those people now that are setting off and all theyve got to do is get 12 miles from dover and theyll get picked up by border force or the rnli those people before this journey even begins are soaked to the skin and cold. Believe you me, whatever youre wearing , if youve been soaked in seawater up to your chest and youre going to sit in a stationary position for several hours, you are going to get cold very, very quickly indeed. And i will predict that that at some point in the next couple of months, when there is a sinking, unless we have the luck, as we did of that scallop boat a few months ago, unless there is a helicopter or a lifeboat very close , or if we get 70 or 80 close, or if we get 70 or 80 people into the water who are already cold. I hate to think what the death toll is going to be all of that, i promise you, is going to happen. Now, there was no mention in manchester of something called the European Political Community. This was political community. This was macrons idea. For some reason, macrons idea. For some reason, rishi sunak signed up to it. I, of course, want us to cooperate with our european friends , but i with our european friends, but i do not like the name political community. However rishi is in granada in spain this evening and the idea is hes going to speak to other european leaders about data sharing and cooperation to deal with the common problem of illegal migration for europe. Its predominantly across the mediterranean, although some does come in through the eastern borders. And for us, of course, borders. And for us, of course, its through the English Channel. He was rishi sunak speaking in spain just a couple of hours ago , tackling illegal of hours ago, tackling illegal migration is a shared european challenge. Challenge. Numbers are up everywhere and i believe, as do other european leaders, that it should be us who decides who comes to our countries and not criminal gangs. Thats why i was pleased that i could convene a meeting together with the italian Prime Minister, but also leaders from albania European Union, albania, the European Union, france and the netherlands to talk through this issue to see how we can Work Together to how more we can Work Together to strengthen cooperation , to strengthen our cooperation, to combat awful crime. And combat this awful crime. And there is more that we can do sharing intelligence, working upstream to disrupt supply chains , working with partner chains, working with partner countries to ensure effective returns. These are all areas where we can work more closely together. Thats what we talk through. And the uk today has signed agreements with signed new agreements with serbia, and bulgaria serbia, belgium and bulgaria that will help strengthen our bilateral cooperation in. And youre seeing the fruits that youre seeing the fruits of that at home, numbers of arrivals into the uk year down by into the uk this year down by a fifth for the First Time Since the small boats phenomenon emerged. We managed to get the numbers a result this numbers down as a result of this type of work. Well rishi sunak, youre right. The numbers are down by a fifth, chiefly in my opinion, because the weather this summer has so dreadful. But if we has been so dreadful. But if we get a long settled spell, im quite sure the numbers will go back last years level. But back to last years level. But in going across to the European Political Community in seeking help in dealing with our problem in the English Channel, let me ask you a very simple question. Is rishi wasting his time . Give me your opinion on farage gbnews. Com because i think he is. Well, joining me is a proper expert on these things, professor ian begg, Professorial Research fellow at the European InstituteLondon School of economics and political science. And ian, a man who has written about european cooperation and european deals over many , many european deals over many, many years. Ian i just want to say to you, the idea that we can come to some agreement with other European Countries on this, it seems to me that theyre actually at war with each other before we even start. Well you before we even start. Well you expect this from an academic . Nigel . Yes and no. The yes is nigel . Yes and no. The yes is that there are differences of perspective right across the eu countries which have hosted huge numbers of migrants already, like germany and sweden are saying enough. Those on the saying enough. Those on the frontline, like italy and greece, are saying we cant cope with it on our own. And some within the eu, particularly countries like hungary and poland, are saying dont send them our way. However, in them our way. However, in polands case, its undeniable that theyve taken a huge number of ukrainian refugees. So they are already facing plenty of difficulty. The reason i say difficulty. The reason i say that there is a different perspective on this is that there is a common problem. We cant stop the demand to come to europe. You may not like the European Union in your day, but a lot of people do. Coming from other parts of the world, and they think its a place to try to get to. If youre poor or if youre somehow discriminated against in other countries. So against in other countries. So there is a clear pool factor from the European Union and unless theres some way of deaung unless theres some way of dealing with that , the pull dealing with that, the pull factor, its going to continue indefinitely. Yeah, i mean, ian , i was yeah, i mean, ian, i was there. I was there in strasbourg in 2015 when mrjuncker there. I was there in strasbourg in 2015 when mr juncker , who was in 2015 when mr juncker, who was then the Commission President , unveiled , and it sort of dusted unveiled, and it sort of dusted off, i suppose, really, and activated the european asylum policy , which basically said policy, which basically said that anybody that set foot on eu soil, having crossed the mediterranean would be allowed to stay, dont they have to fundamentally readdress that policy and start returning people to libya, tunisia or wherever it may be . Well, thats one solution. Well, thats one solution. Theres a question of whether returning somebody to libya , returning somebody to libya, which is, lets face it, one of the hellholes of the world now is a morally appropriate thing to do. If someone has made this huge effort to get out of it. Now you may not like the people coming to europe or eventually to the uk because you think we shouldnt be so generous towards them. But there is an imperative there to say, well, whats going on in the rest of the world and can we do something about solving the problem at source . Understand that. Understand that. No, do understand that. I no, i do understand that. I mean, gaddafi said to us, gaddafi us before gaddafi said to us before 2012, before launched those attacks before we launched those attacks on said, get rid of me on libya. He said, get rid of me and 5 Million People will come to europe. And im beginning to to europe. And im beginning to wonder, did we cause this . And actually caused the birth of isis ourselves as well. Isis ourselves as well. Theres no doubt a long historical exercise to go into to work out who is most to blame in it. But yes, the chaos in libya is in many ways a direct result of dumping gadhafi. However, hed gone so bonkers by the time he was kicked out. Who the time he was kicked out. Who knows what would happen shortly aftennards anyway, irrespective of whether Cameron Sarkozy of whether cameron and sarkozy had agreed to intervene. So there there is a problem here that sub Saharan Africa in particular, as a as a demographic profile , which means demographic profile, which means that young people are growing into this market. They dont find jobs at home. They want to go elsewhere. That is a swell of humanity , that wants to move to humanity, that wants to move to other places. And the solution other places. And the solution one way round would be to say, can we help Economic Development in these places to ensure that there is opportunity there for those who want to move instead of thinking of purely in military Police Enforcement terms, which is , i think where a terms, which is, i think where a lot of the drift in europe has been of late saying how do we stop it rather than how do we solve it at source . Solve it at source . No, ian, i get the argument. I dont expect any great agreement to come out from this granada summit. Do you . Well, no , because the well, no, because the European Political Community is so far next to nothing, it has no secretariat. Theres no has no secretariat. Theres no has no powers. Its a grouping of up to 47 countries. But i think i checked carefully just before before i came on the only countries in europe which are not part of it are russia and belarus. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Turkey it sort of replaces the old european council, really. Ian begg, thank you for your expert testimony. No easy answers, says ian begg. Well, hes almost certainly right. Joining me is henry bolton, former Border Security and management expert for the British Government and intelligence adviser to the home office, henry , the point i was office, henry, the point i was making there to professor begg was it seems to me that when the german president says weve reached breaking point , yes, reached breaking point, yes, theres that phrase which is very familiar to me from the referendum. And when we hear referendum. And when we hear poland saying they will take zero, that have crossed the mediterranean, i just dont see any agreement coming. I feel rishi, with all respect to him , rishi, with all respect to him, is wasting his time. Yes. Another yes or no . Nigel yes. Another yes or no . Nigel look, one of the things to say, first off is ursula von der leyen, the president of the european commission, was there front and centre of this meeting. So this isnt just a coordination meeting. This is a united europe union orchestrated thing. We should make that thing. We should make that clear. Theyre using this to extend their Foreign Policy and their political reach, but that aside, as professor begg said, we do have to cooperate and coordinate and collaborate with our european neighbours. Thats our european neighbours. Thats a thats a one doesnt even need to sort of talk about that. Thats obvious. But where is she is really on a hiding to nothing is really on a hiding to nothing is methodology. First of all, he is methodology. First of all, he doesnt seem to be taking the lead at all. Secondly he i mean, he said he convened this meeting. He didnt convene this meeting. This meeting was effectively by the effectively convened by the european the european European Union, by the european commission, and he wanted to be part of it. So you know, hes hes already sort of smoke and mirrors up there. But he the main contribution, the main thing that hes done is agree with serbia, with bulgaria to particularly that bulgaria is important in this to provide them with Intelligence Exchange and equipment for their borders to detect people in trucks. Basically its the same stuff that weve got at dover and southampton, so on. Now thats fine with bulgaria because on the roads, on the official crossing points with turkey, because obviously theres a lot of flow through turkey , but its of flow through turkey, but its not going to work. I of flow through turkey, but its not going to work. I myself was not going to work. I myself was in the balkans. I was dealing with people, people smugglers, human traffickers and the people themselves who were being moved. And for three years, these pe