Trace on people not performing properly. So the tories fought. So the tories fought. So the tories fought. Robert apparently the fact that the biggest local authority in europe run by labour has gone bust tories fault. I mean, this is the problem. Fault. I is ean, this is the problem. Fault. I is whatthis is the problem. Fault. I is what youis the problem. Fault. I is what you always roblem. Fault. I is what you always getem. Fault. I is what you always get when this is what you always get when you in local you get labour in local government. You get government. Its what you get when labour and national when you get labour and National Government when you get labour and national goveyou ent when you get labour and national goveyou have to your that you have to manage your budget have to budget properly. You have to competently run the organisation that youre running, that that youre running, be that government or be that local government. We government. Thats what we signally to every time signally fail to see. Every time you labour in power. You ever get labour in power. The why he talks about the reason why he talks about tory but the reason why tory cuts, but the reason why the tories to spend the tories have had to spend within means in 2010 within their means in 2010 onwards because labour , onwards is because the labour, in words, mine, spent in their words, not mine, spent all the money, so there was no money left in the two. It was a birmingham mp it was a birmingham labour mp said it. It was a birmingham. Your byrne, your your mate liam byrne, your neighbour the the but also the money the central able to do Central Government is able to do is amounts of is borrow a huge amounts of money of money, money and prints a lot of money, prints local prints lots of money. The local councils arent to do that councils arent able to do that and to provide and theyve got to provide services the restrictions services under the restrictions that government that the National Government imposes them. Imposes on them. No answer, and thats this is no answer, and thats what from labour what we always see from labour and see it right, youve and you can see it right, youve got got got conservative, youve got conservative cant balance their budgets, their budgets, they cant run their councils, they cant balance their councils, they cant balance the come on. Come on. come on. Let me answer from labour. Let me answer from labour. Government is local, local government is not economic as a huge not as an economic as a huge issue even conservative issue because even conservative councils are under and councils are under stress and therell those coming therell be some of those coming through therell be some of those coming thr |t;h therell be some of those coming thr it is bad time for you. The it is bad time for you. The first Prime Ministers questions. This is going to come up in private questions. Obviously, were going to be talking about concrete and the problems is problems there, but this is going issue for labour. Going to be an issue for labour. Of course its a real issue andifs of course its a real issue and its come at at and its come at a at a particular which is we particular time now, which is we have deal with it. We just have to deal with it. We just have to deal with it. We just have deal the crisis is have to deal with the crisis is and wish that the government have to deal with the crisis is and move| that the government have to deal with the crisis is and move forward; government have to deal with the crisis is and move forward. Wevenment have to deal with the crisis is and move forward. Wevenmeat can move forward. Weve got a meeting michael meeting tomorrow with michael gove and discuss this in gove to try and discuss this in a sensible forward. And i a sensible way forward. And i think a crisis. The think there is a crisis. The largest local in largest local authority in europe and i think what weve got to as michael decided to got to do as michael decided to move sit down move forward with is sit down with the birmingham mps , see a with the birmingham mps, see a way and try and deal way forward and try and deal with it. And thats what were going to do now. Whats it to going to do now. Whats it to going mean the people of birmingham . Council bill . Higher Council Tax Bill . Higher Council Tax Bill . Said well, the leaders said theres higher tax theres no higher Council Tax Bills be bills at the moment. Theyll be cut strategy, strategy bills at the moment. Theyll be cut on strategy, strategy bills at the moment. Theyll be cut on strateg in strategy bills at the moment. Theyll be cut on strategin new� gy bills at the moment. Theyll be cut on strateg in new york. Services on holiday in new york. Come back this who hasnt come back this john cotton. Its john cotton. Yeah. Its john cotton. Yeah. He come i mean, is he going to come back holiday . I mean, is he going to come bacwell, holiday . I mean, is he going to come bacwell, he holiday . I mean, is he going to come bacwell, he should ay . I mean, is he going to come bacwell, he should be coming i mean, is he going to come bacw� as he should be coming i mean, is he going to come bacw� as far should be coming i mean, is he going to come bacw� as far as ould be coming i mean, is he going to come bacw� as far as iuld be coming i mean, is he going to come bacw� as far as i understand. Lg back, as far as i understand. But hasnt back yet . No. But he hasnt come back yet . No. Why know. Why not . Well, i dont know. I mean, what mean, i dont know what circumstances. I think he will come back. But isnt he come back. Yes, but why isnt he back already . Well, councils gone he. He wasnt gone backwards. He. He wasnt informed gone backwards. He. He wasnt infoleader. Gone backwards. He. He wasnt info leader. Officers took the leader. The officers took a decision even informing decision without even informing him. The key things him. So one of the key things weve to look at what weve got to look at is what happens officers and happens with the officers and how they deal with the. It is the leader of the council didnt know going bankrupt in labours own words, council didnt know going baniis|pt in labours own words, council didnt know going baniis a in labours own words, council didnt know going baniis a crisis bours own words, council didnt know going baniis a crisis and s own words, council didnt know going baniis a crisis and the rim words, council didnt know going baniis a crisis and the leaderis, this is a crisis and the leader isnt dealing with the isnt there dealing with the crisis so was going bankrupt. Do you believe that . Do you believe that . This is the trouble well, this is the trouble is that did they that did they know . Did they not . Theres no good not . I mean, theres no good answer that because it should answer to that because it should bankrupt not the bankrupt accounts are not the leader political input. Leader without political input. But officers took this decision. Good political oversight. And this the this is the point is the councillors be councillors should be politically the office. But blaming the office decision. No, no, its not blaming them. No, no, its not blaming the the is this is the fact the fact is this is the fact they knowing they took a decision knowing full with full well the leaders away with that, consulting him and therefore now hes trying therefore now hes hes trying to as soon as he gets to get back as soon as he gets back, he will. But what is he going sort now . Theyve going to sort out now . Theyve taken a decision to put us in this i think there this issue. And i think there would much better would have been much better coordination by the officers, is that officers that if i think the officers need responsibility need to take responsibility for this, the leader smacks of this, the leader that smacks of poor control poor political control and thats and he was thats precisely what and he was excellent. You. And excellent. I agree with you. And i were going do i think what were going to do is the officers lot better. He replaced. He was replaced. He was replaced. Hes the new leader. Hes the one had summer. One you had in the summer. Had to he no good. To go because he was no good. Well, this ones either. Well, this ones no good either. I john is well, no, i think john is doing best he can at the doing the best he can at the moment. The moment. Unfortunately, the timing has been good. Timing has not been good. I think should have think the officers should have contacted him and he would. Im sure, arrangements. Contacted him and he would. Im sure, veryarrangements. Contacted him and he would. Im sure, veryarranifzments. Contacted him and he would. Im sure, veryarranif thats;. Its very bad if thats the best could isnt best he could do, isnt it, robert . No doubt in pmqs today, robert . No doubt in pmqs today, which in about five which is coming up in about five minutes, everybody, is minutes, everybody, this is were having a foretaste of whats going to come in pmqs today. Is an easy win today. And this is an easy win for actually, this for sunak, actually, this situation birmingham. But situation in birmingham. But youve win for youve also got an easy win for keir which is, of keir starmer today, which is, of course, schools. Which course, crumbling schools. Which do that laying firmly do you see that as laying firmly at the conservatives at the feet of the conservatives after 13 years . At the feet of the conservatives afteso3 years . At the feet of the conservatives afteso iyears . At the feet of the conservatives afteso i dont at the feet of the conservatives afteso i dont see laying it so i dont see it laying it firmly at the feet of conservatives, but im not saying an issue. Saying there isnt an issue. Its tackled. There its got to be tackled. There really that its got to be tackled. There reallygot that its got to be tackled. There reallygot to that its got to be tackled. There reallygot to be that its got to be tackled. There reallygot to be tackled that its got to be tackled. There reallygot to be tackled are at have got to be tackled are really two things only matter here. This problem . Really two things only matter here. Find this problem . Really two things only matter here. Find out. Is problem . Really two things only matter here. Find out. First� blem . Really two things only matter here. Find out. First ofzm . Lets find that out. First of all. Whats the all. And secondly, whats the plan it . And its got to plan to fix it . And its got to be fixed. Those are the be fixed. And those are the issues. Concrete issues. I mean, this concrete its been about years, its been known about for years, its been known about for years, its been known about for years, its been since 50s, its been used since the 50s, 60s governments its been used since the 50s, 60s local governments its been used since the 50s, 60s local authorities overnments its been used since the 50s, 60s local authorities oveallnents and local authorities of all political colours. So theres no blame to be attached the blame to be attached there. The potential with have potential issues with it have been known since the 90s. The only now know about only reason we now know about it is government is because this government has got programme ensuring that got a programme of ensuring that we it is and we understand where it is and replaced was replaced when rishi sunak was chancellor he chancellor and he was told he needed to look schools needed to look at 200 schools and a budget for and he then gave a budget for only 50. So it does actually very much land on his desk only two years ago. It comes back to the point i made not that long ago, of course, about its made not that long ago, of couvery about its made not that long ago, of couvery well about its made not that long ago, of couvery well saying about its made not that long ago, of couvery well saying thatt its made not that long ago, of couvery well saying that we s all very well saying that we want more money, fact is want more money, but the fact is that to spend within want more money, but the fact is that that spend within want more money, but the fact is that that youend within want more money, but the fact is that that you have. Thin want more money, but the fact is that that you have. And the the means that you have. And the reason weve to take reason why weve had to take those decisions, this those difficult decisions, this is children. Is about safety of children. I dont this is about safety. I dont disagree labour disagree with you at the labour party when he left office, it will fixed and the will have to be fixed and the government it will. The labour party when he left Office SchoolsProgramme Office had a Schools Programme and came and and the conservatives came and cut rishi cut it even cut it and rishi cut it even further. Thats what the further. And thats what the problem is. Weve got £13 billion thats been School Upgrades been put into School Upgrades and modifications 2015. And modifications since 2015. I think so there is a £13 billion there. The labour party, youve cut the programme down and all the spending thats done in education is good because we need our children to have the best facility to best possible facility to do that. This is a real issue that. But this is a real issue which rishi knew about and didnt about it, and didnt do anything about it, and thats sleeping at wheel and thats sleeping at the wheel and why is that . Were just looking at the labour money. Labour spent all the money. Sorry to interrupt you, gentlemen, but were looking at the start of pmqs here and were learning of learning that the list of schools at risk of schools which are at risk of crumbling going to crumbling is finally going to be published. Does this taken too long, it taking too long, robert . Is it taking too long, robert . Is it taking too long to get this list together . It shouldnt they have known thiswell , theres been long, well, theres been a long, long its quite Long Programme and its quite because youve got 20,000 or so schools to go schools and so youve got to go round all of them. And its quite business. And quite a detailed business. And that it be as that clearly i want it to be as quick as possible. As you quite rightly its issue rightly said, its an issue of school rightly said, its an issue of sch will be some rightly said, its an issue of schwill be some kids will there be some kids whove gone back to school today whove gone back to school today who the at the who will get the message at the end from the school end of the day from the school to you cant come back to say, you cant come back tomorrow, on, name tomorrow, youre on, your name is not is on the list, youre not coming its difficult for me coming in. Its difficult for me to the list. To say without seeing the list. Clearly of course, but clearly theyll look. Theyll have to look. There is a any schools. There is a possibility. So. Well the list isnt complete. So id be hostage to fortune if until ive seen the if i said until ive seen the whole if i said until ive seen the wh kelly, do you of kelly, do you know of any schools . I dont know at the moment. Hopefully out soon. I dont know at the moment. Hopluckily out soon. I dont know at the moment. Hopluckily weve out soon. I dont know at the moment. Hopluckily weve had soon. I dont know at the moment. Hopluckily weve had some. But luckily weve had some. When the we had but luckily weve had some. When the real we had but luckily weve had some. When the real schools we had but luckily weve had some. When the real schools built,ad but luckily weve had some. When the real schools built, so some real good schools built, so hopefully escape hopefully well escape that. Politics away, these but the politics away, these two, going two, arent they . Were going to be over the very be handing you over to the very capable at the live capable hands now at the live desk longhurst and pip tomson. Hi both. Hi both. Hello. Well, it is going to be busy over the next be incredibly busy over the next three hours. In the last few minutes, that list of schools has finally been published. It has finally been published. It is, of course, going to dominate pmqs, but theres plenty of other things to talk about as well. And you might well be satisfied, wont you, mark . Especially if you like the rolling or bears. Rolling stones or polar bears. Thats they call i think thats what they call a tease. Yeah, i like that. Yeah, i like that. Polar bears. We have i like polar bears. We have got a polar bear watch going on. Yeah. Today. Yeah, yeah. In this country. Whos to going win, gentlemen . You know, youre going to say sunak will win. Youre going say keir youre going to say sir keir starmer of course starmer hands down of course itll be sunak detailed , cool, itll be sunak detailed, cool, calm, professional. Whats it like coming back after the summer recess for mps today . Is it do you all feel do today . Is it do you all feel do you back to school you have that back to School Feeling that you all coming out swinging you got swinging and you ready . You got your case . Your new pencil case . Yes. E literally i dont literally have a new pencil metaphorically, i dont literally have a new pencilthats metaphorically, i dont literally have a new pencilthats exactlytaphorically, i dont literally have a new pencilthats exactlytapho its. Ly, yeah, thats exactly what its like. Patch, like. You go back to the patch, you spend time with the family. Ive young kids, time ive got young kids, spend time with come with them, and then you come back, you know, re energized and refreshed back, you know, re energized and refre youre a coiled spring. Kelly absolutely ready to go. Kelly absolutely ready to go. They going to find and are they going to find any dodgy in any of those dodgy concrete in the parliament . The houses of parliament . Not, because well, i hope not, because thats building site already, thats a building site already, isnt its longer yeah, but its much longer unless portcullis house. The rest of its much but the rest of its much older and so therefore much safer. Older and so therefore much saf and theres a leak in portcullis house, one of the newest parliamentary buildings, one of the windows broke a couple broke couple of the windows broke actually end of july actually just at the end of july term, they managed term, and they managed to fix them, work in the parliament but work in the Parliament Takes of time, takes a huge amount of time, actually written in to the serjeant arms. Weve got serjeant at arms. Weve got these the gates these scanners under the gates coming through and thats going to year to put two to take a year to put two scanners in for the cars. And its absolutely ridiculous the time taking. So. Time its taking. So. Right. Now, we just all right. Now, we just so you know, list of you know, the full li