Job because everyone else has sat on there and done nothing . No. No signs of that. No. No. No signs of that. No. Well, ms keegan has since apologised for her use of language. Well it wasnt really talking about anything in particular. It was off the cuff remark. After the news interview had finished, or apparently after it had finished. And id like to apologise for my choice language that was unnecessary, but it was an off the cuff remark. Basically you know, based on the interview, the interview had been pressing me quite hard, you know, solved this know, why i hadnt solved this issue , which had been going on issue, which had been going on since 1994 . Since 1994 . Well, the Prime Minister has attempted to bat away accusations regarding his role in the crisis while he was chancellor rishi sunak saying its wrong to suggest that he is to blame for failing to fully fund a programme to rebuild englands schools when he was chancellor. Of course , i know chancellor. 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Thats expected to include former and current staff of the countess of Chester HospitalNhs Foundation trust, where countess of Chester HospitalNhs Foundation trust , where letby foundation trust, where letby worked , and Angela Rayner is the worked, and Angela Rayner is the new shadow deputy Prime Minister and levelling up secretary as sir keir starmer reshuffles his top team. She replaces lisa top team. She replaces lisa nandy, who becomes shadow cabinet minister for international development. Among the other changes , pat mcfadden the other changes, pat mcfadden taking on the influential role of National Campaign co ordinator as well as shadow chancellor of the duchy of lancaster. This chancellor of the duchy of lancaster. This is gb news across the uk on tv in your car on Digital Radio and on your Smart Speaker by saying play gb news. Now lets get straight back to. Nigel back to. Nigel good evening. In the wake of good evening. In the wake of world war ii, there was an awful lot of building to do, not just because of bomb damage, but because, of course, of a very rapidly growing post post war boomer generation. And also the boomer generation. And also the fact wanted better fact that people wanted better houses and better public buildings. But in the case of pubuc buildings. But in the case of public buildings, many were very, very badly built. Jerry built. That was the term that was cynically used by many people at the time. And we know much, of course, now about the use of asbestos. For example, in pubuc use of asbestos. For example, in public buildings. But now we learn about a type of concrete , learn about a type of concrete, a sort of concrete with bubbles in it, a bit like an aero chocolate bar that was used in a lot of public buildings. And over the weekend came to over the weekend it came to light there are about 104 light that there are about 104 schools that did not go back today. Gosh, i do pity the poor parents, particularly after six, six weeks of rain and we learn its dangerous and they could fall in and much remedial work has got to be done. And the labor party have been very much. On the attack saying isnt it monster s that literally on the eve of the children going back, theyre told those particular schools are closed and how many more schools could there be in that category . The response from the conservatives back towards labouris the conservatives back towards labour is well, at least in england were having a look at schools and public buildings built with this rak concrete, whereas in wales labour run wales has none of this work and research has been done. So when research has been done. So when you get a row like this , whos you get a row like this, whos to blame . Tell me your thoughts on that. Farage at gb news. Com. Now into the middle of all of this is the education secretary, Gillian Keegan, who did a big media round this morning, including an interview with itv. Now, it is always a very good object lesson. Think back, perhaps to gordon brown, who walked away from an interview with a microphone still in his pocket. But even when youre off pocket. But even when youre off air, perhaps youre not really off air. This is what happened after the interview that Gillian Keegan gave to itv. This morning. We will get a plan and every single one of them will be done i okay. Thank you very much. Okay. Thank you very much. Thank you. Thank you. Jot down just a few marcus setchell. Does anyone ever say, you know what . Youve done a good job because everyone else has sat on there and done nothing. No no signs of that. No now. Now it signs of that. No now. Now it may signs of that. No now. Now it may well have now. Now it may well have been naughty of itv to play out that clip because she didnt think she was being recorded. But hey, youre still miked up. But hey, youre still miked up. The cameras rolling and from a journalistic point of view, i guess youre fair game. But what it revealed was just the most astonishing level of self regard that Gillian Keegan has for herself. Indeed so many inside the westminster bubble do talk about dont get it, talk about detached. It was all about her. Im doing a fantastic job and why arent you praising me yet . Another overpromoted politician. Now i wonder how many of you watching this programme had even heard of rac concrete before this weekend . Im going to bet this weekend . Im going to bet you hardly any of you had. So you hardly any of you had. So lets try and find out. To begin with what it actually is. And with what it actually is. And warren thomas, who was a concrete expert at Henderson Thomas Associates , warren assume thomas associates, warren assume with me and the audience assume a Knowledge Level hovering at around about zero. So please tell us what this Building Material is and what the risks are. Are. Yes , nigel, it was a yes, nigel, it was a lightweight, concrete, really. Concrete is stretching the point there that was used extensively after the war through to about the mid 80s being lightweight and quite cheap to manufacture. And quite cheap to manufacture. It was used as sensitively in in single storey schools and other buildings. The issue is that it was flagged up that there were some issues with it because its very lightweight. Its it has, as you said, looks like a chocolate bar that we all well and no. And because of that , if and no. And because of that, if its not maintained properly , it its not maintained properly, it can have major issues with its stability. Now, the first stability. Now, the first indication of this were produced indication of this were produced in a report by the Building Research establishment as early as 1996. Good lord. So thats when it was first on the radar. Subsequent to that , we then have subsequent to that, we then have heard about the school that fell down in kent in 2018. After that had happened , a number of good had happened, a number of good organisations , including the organisations, including the institute of Structural Engineers, who are the experts that decided to produce a guidance note which weve been following in the sector very closely. From what i can gather closely. From what i can gather with respect to the schools and whats happened , i. E. With respect to the schools and whats happened , le. A letter, whats happened, le. A letter, a questionnaire went out last yean a questionnaire went out last year, some time to the schools to say, hey guys, have you got concrete . Not very helpful , as concrete . Not very helpful, as i would have said. And then only in december of 2022 was an advice note produced by the department of education to say , department of education to say, this is what you need to follow. I dont know why they didnt use the institute of Structural Engineers guidance, and that note was very unclear , is note was very unclear, is a polite way of putting it. The polite way of putting it. The concrete, the concerns with the concrete, the concerns with the concrete are that you can have major issues with the embedded reinforcement that can corrode. Reinforcement that can corrode. And unlike conventional, reinforced in concrete, in conventional, we reinforced in concrete, in conventional , we spot cracking conventional, we spot cracking and spalling and such like. So and spalling and such like. So it gives us a bit of an indication of it may fall down. We dont get that with the concrete and therefore thats why we need to do a phased approach , work out where it is approach, work out where it is in the school. And the only way in the school. And the only way you can definitively and i say definitively because im concerned about some of the surveys that have been done, you need to actually break off a little bit of the concrete and inspect the internal part of it to actually confirm 100. It is right once it is racked, one of the things thats been swept overis the things thats been swept over is you then have to ascertain its condition and based upon the condition, you can then pass that information over to a qualified Structural Engineer who can do risk engineer who can do a risk assessment. And in some assessment. And in some instances, it could be as easy just to monitor the structure. Others you may need some temporary propping or further investigation to work out where there are certain issues. And in there are certain issues. And in there are certain issues. And in the worst Case Scenario , you the worst Case Scenario, you would need to remove and rebuild the roof. But its not a yes no. Black white answer. And i dont get the idea that many politicians understand that. No . Well id say warrant it wasnt a yes no. Black or white answer, but it was a very, very full and comprehensive answer. It sounds to me like this stuff is past its sell by date and ultimately over the next few years, its all going to have to be replaced. Well, what happens is we had an issue back in the 70s and 80s with another type of problematic concrete called high alumina cement. And that it if it was wetted and dried because of bad roofs, maintenance of the roofs, it could dramatically reduce its strength and fail its a similar you know, activity with rak concrete. If its kept dry and concrete. If its kept dry and managed properly, it could survive for some time. But the survive for some time. But the problem is with a lot of the structures that were talking about, nigel, all you need to do is look at some of the bridge structures that designed structures that were designed for life span. Theyre for a 50 year life span. Theyre now 55 years old, 56 years old, and we have the same issue. As long as we can maintain them and inspect them and test them, we dont have a problem. But we do that with highway structures. But unfortunately, with structures such as schools, hospitals, courts , buildings in hospitals, courts, buildings in general, there is no formal testing inspection. Well , i testing inspection. Well, i think now testing inspection. Well , i think now actually, well, i think now actually, warren, there might be. Thank you for joining warren, there might be. Thank you forjoining us and giving us that proper expert in formation. Thank you very much indeed. Christie cunniffe joins me, headteacher of the licenced vitulus school in ascot. And six vitulus school in ascot. And six weeks the kids have been off. Its rained almost every day. Its rained almost every day. Theyre supposed to go back to school. I pity the poor parents school. I pity the poor parents in these 104 schools. It sounds to me from what warren saying this this could be affecting a very large number of schools. Yeah absolutely. Its quite shocking. You know , the fact that its announced literally before the children come back to school and theyve had enough disruption as it is. So i feel for those head so i really feel for those head teachers who have had teachers who once again have had to quickly about how to think very quickly about how theyre going to accommodate these education. Yeah, its rotten for yeah, its been rotten for the 18 year olds that have just left. Of course, they didnt get to sit gcses properly. They found grades lot tougher found their grades a lot tougher than previous couple than the previous couple of years. Now got another years. And now weve got another years. And now weve got another year to suffer year Group Beginning to suffer and do we where do we apportion blame on this . Blame on this . Well, i think, you know, just looking at, you know, post war britain and building, you look at the amount of governments theres been, theres probably not amount of labour not equal amount of labour governments bit governments in probably a bit more but theyre more conservatives, but theyre all they were all to blame because they were all to blame because they were all party to this. They all that, whereas they all knew that, whereas the assessments the the risk assessments or the document said material document that said this material only lifespan of 40 years. Only has a lifespan of 40 years. And were do about and what were going to do about it whats the programme to it and whats the programme to rebuild and why of a sudden rebuild and why all of a sudden does couple of days does it come up a couple of days before start of term and before the start of term and these children cant come to school as our engineer, as warren in 1996, concerns warren said in 1996, concerns were first raised these were first raised about these structures years structures is aimed at 50 years and them are older than and a lot of them are older than that. But somebody that works, but as somebody that works, christine, and the education sector, Gillian Keegan, our education secretary, didnt exactly herself in glory exactly cover herself in glory this morning, did she . Well , you know, that was the well, you know, that was the first i saw it because ive first time i saw it because ive obviously been busy working in school and i actually school today, and i actually might had sharp Intake School today, and i actually mibreath had sharp Intake School today, and i actually mibreath hadi sharp Intake School today, and i actually mibreath hadi whenarp Intake School today, and i actually mibreath hadi when ip Intake School today, and i actually mibreath hadi when i saw ake school today, and i actually mibreath hadi when i saw that of breath when i when i saw that or heard it here in the studio for the first time. You know, its not about blame. Mean, its not about blame. I mean, what happened very what happened there was very unfortunate. You know, it unfortunate. And, you know, it should happened. But should not have happened. But they apportion they cant apportion blame to any person. Its about any one person. And its about time stopped having education time we stopped having education at the risk of Political Parties scoring points at each other, because heard dialogue because ive heard the dialogue between starmer and rishi between keir starmer and rishi sunak, and to be quite honest with you, think this is not a with you, i think this is not a time for an election time for scoring for an election when children are not in when these children are not in school. They need to get together, their act together, get their act together. Not going together. Well, thats not going together. Well, thats not going to is it never to happen, is it . It never happens. Its never going to happen. The we have happen. And all the time we have these political point these Political Parties point scoring never scoring education will never improve country. Improve in this country. See, you may be right or you may be unless we get an may be right unless we get an election and we get a party with a completely new philosophy for education, of education, a radical reform of education. And that is possible. But if Gillian Keegan for purpose , i think that was highly purpose, i think that was highly embarrassing what happened today. Im not going to say whether its fit for purpose or not. I think really to be quite honest with you, we should s