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Transcripts For GBN Breakfast 20240704

Full forecast coming up later. Few good morning. Im Stephen Dixon and im Ellie Costello. And this is breakfast on gb news. News. Heres a quick one for you. Yes Health Advice is always confusing. She has no idea what im talking. We hear lots about it, dont we . You do. Do you remember that . Not that many years ago. They said if you didnt do at least 5000 steps a day, you were sedentary. Yes and you meant to do 10,000 now . Anyway, were Health Experts have said , actually, you experts have said, actually, you just need to do 4000 oh oh to significantly reduce your chances of an early death from all things. All things. Well, thats very good. Well, thats very good. So thats good, isnt it . So thats good, isnt it . Very good news. I think its a lot more manageable than 10,000 steps. Yeah, i have mine set at 6000 and that i dont manage every day. No. So 4000 today. So if you do 4000, dont feel despondent. Youre actually doing yourself a real service. If you do 4000 real service. If you do 4000 steps a day. Yeah. Give yourself a pat on the back until next week when they change it to 18,000. Yeah, thats it. It changes week by week doesnt it. I think i manage about 5000 steps a day on average. There you go. Average. There you go. You youre fit and healthy. So there you im in the so there you go. Im in the good books. Youre in the good books for the next week at least before it changes again. So there you go. Thats bit of news to thats a good bit of news to start this start your day with this morning. Spend lot of the morning. Spend a lot of the papers you. Yeah, papers for you. Yeah, thats good is also in a lot good news. What is also in a lot of the papers this morning, data breaches major data breaches two major data breaches, one affecting people across uk the one across the uk and the other one affecting the Police Service of northern theyve Northern Ireland. Now theyve apologised to officers and civilians staff because they have mistaken published the data of every serving employee. Of every serving employee. Yes, the data breach reportedly involved names , ranks reportedly involved names, ranks and other personal data of its staff. Staff. Well, during a media briefing, the assistant chief constable apologised for what he called human error and says it will be fully investigated. Will be fully investigated. I understand that that will be of considerable concern to many of my colleagues and their families. Indeed, at the moment we operate in an environment at the moment where theres a Severe Threat to our colleagues from Northern Ireland related terrorism, and this is the last thing that anybody in the organisation to be organisation wants to be hearing. Evening. Well hearing. This evening. Well joining us live now from psni headquarters is dougie beattie, our Northern Ireland reporter. Good morning to you, dougie. I mean, this absolutely beggars belief, doesnt it . The name of every single Northern Ireland Police Officer has now been published in error. It is unbelievable, ellie. I mean, this, this data breach isnt as bad as it could have been. No personal mobile phone numbers, no home addresses. But numbers, no home addresses. But what is on those forms are quite literally astounding. Its name , surname, initial rank, serial number, and the station where they are are working at that current time. And that goes from every Single Person in the psni right down to the typing pool thatis right down to the typing pool that is in this place behind me. So everybody now knows who is working inside the psni. If they working inside the psni. If they if you had a suspicion your neighbour was there, you had a look at this list. But i mean, theres thousands and thousands of names on this and there is some unbelievable questions to be asked. And last night Police Officers were talking to me and saying they were always being hounded about Data Security and how important that is. And then to be found out that that was been leaked on such a scale. The questions that need to be asked here is this apparently happened because of a freedom of information request. Someone in information request. Someone in here behind us then took it upon themselves to send out this details to whoever it was that looked for that freedom of information request. So only one person was able to actually access that. And then send it out from behind here. You would imagine that that sort of information would be very, very sensitive and taking more than one person to look at it. And then unbelievably, the person that got it looked at it, and if it was you or i, we would look at it and say, oh, theres been at it and say, oh, theres been a mistake there. They then decided to publish it on a website. That is how bad this breach actually is. And really theres a meeting of the policing board this morning at 10 00. And the real question has to be here, can the chief constable hold on this is a man thats in charge of a organisation that is based in security, and this this type of breach in his own man will probably cause real problems. The Police Federation last night very, very angry in their statement , those that represent statement, those that represent the officers here really asking some very, very serious questions. Gould command met questions. Gould command met here last night. They are setting up a task force to look at what happened. But really, at what happened. But really, these officers are saying too little, too late. And they, it must be said that the relationship between the chief constable and his rank and file over this last couple of years of incidents that have happened where officers dont believe that he backed them, that really can he hold on after this today i just briefly, dougie, what what can be done now for the safety and security of all those people whose details have been published and apologies dont do anything . No it doesnt. Anything . No it doesnt. And years ago, what you would have seen would have been officers being moved around that fortunately , those bad old days fortunately, those bad old days have gone. But there is some real a real sensitive stuff in here. I mean, it actually names 40 that are seconded to m15 information on officers that are basically undercover. Those people will have to be looked at and see where they go now. So you would imagine if theyre shuffling the deck of where these officers are, theyll have to move them round station, massive personnel being moved around stations over this next couple of months. And that may help the security situation. Help the security situation. Okay, dougie, thanks very much indeed. And its worth pointing out that and its certainly big across the mail this morning, this particular story , but also that the story, but also that the Election Commission revealed yesterday day that about 40 million of us have had details stolen from the electoral roll over a process which has taken more than a year. And they say its by what they call a hostile actor , which doesnt mean actor, which doesnt mean someone in coronation street, obviously. But but potentially russia. Yes which again, is a huge concern. What could he do huge concern. What could he do with it . What do they want it for . We dont know. But its our for . We dont know. But its our information. So its all this Data Security, chaos this morning. It really, really is. And whats so concerning about the Electoral Commission story is those attackers because theyre so sophisticated, they managed to completely evade checks for 14 months. They had access to the names, potentially the names and addresses of 40 Million People for 40, 18 months. I mean, that does beg a belief, doesnt it . It really does. So theres going to have to be a full investigation into that as well. But obviously, concerns but obviously, real concerns about security of people about the security of people working Police Service working for the Police Service of Northern Ireland and well speak to dougie a little bit more on that later on. Yes. Now the uk and turkey have struck a new deal to address the surge in illegal migration, which will focus on coordinated disrupt coordinated actions to disrupt and dismantle people smuggling gangs. Well, the agreement will see a new Operation Centre in turkey that will be set up by the countrys National Police, as well as a faster exchange of customs data and other intelligence. Lets get more analysis from the former brexit party mep ben habib. Very good to see you this morning, ben. So what do you make of this new deal . Well, you know, forgive me for being a debbie downer, but reading the press release yesterday in advance of it being made public, you know, my eyes were kind of rolling, frankly, ellie, weve heard this all before , havent we . More kind of before, havent we . More kind of opfics before, havent we . More kind of optics tilt towards doing something , but nothing in something, but nothing in reality. So the heart of this agreement is the disruption of the supply of dinghies, outboard engines, equipment and lifejacket. But, you know, dinghies are not the most sophisticated of construction constructed things. And dinghies are made right across europe. You can access them right across europe if you want to buy a dinghy in france, i imagine there are millions of different places you could buy one, including outdoor motors, life jackets and so on. So i dont really understand how the government thinks were going to buy this. Of course, it may give them another headline it is them another headline as it is this morning for the next few hours, but i cant imagine its going to have any impact whatsoever the crossings of whatsoever on the crossings of the channel. But its a step in the right direction, isnt it, ben . I direction, isnt it, ben . I mean, look, it might not be huge , but every helps absolutely. You know , as i say, i dont you know, as i say, i dont want to be a debbie downer. I dont imagine it will make a big difference. Every step is the right is the right step to be taking what is absent in the press release is the amount of money the government has agreed to pay. Turkey i imagine the right to place our offices on their territory and the obugafion their territory and the obligation for them to be policing these dinghies and so on will come at a cost. And i would like to know what that cost is. You know, weve spent cost is. You know, weve spent hundreds of millions now on france and that hasnt worked. Weve paid £140 million to rwanda, not a Single Person has gone to rwanda. And i think i gone to rwanda. And i think i would like to know what the tax payeris would like to know what the tax payer is putting, you know, how much of the taxpayers money is being spent on getting this memorandum of understanding into place turkey. Place with turkey. I mean, the government would say that such these, say that deals such as these, they working. I mean, they they are working. I mean, they would to albania deal, would point to the albania deal, which struck recently, which has been struck recently, and 90 drop in small boat arrivals from albania since then , as in the First Quarter of 2023. And in terms of the deal with the french, 40 increase in the number of illegal crossings attempted that have been prevented by the french in the past year. So thats something progress can be made by these sorts of deals. Sorts of deals. Well, the albanian problem should never have been a problem in the first place. Albania is a member of nato and of course its much easier for us to reach an agreement with albania because we have we have a cordial relationship with the country, a large number of the Illegal Migrants entering the country come from countries with whom we do not have a cordial relationship , where we dont relationship, where we dont have a right to send people back. The albania deal back. So the albania deal absolutely the right thing to do. Albanians should never have been coming across the channel in the first place. Albania is a safe country by any standard. I dont think weve got that many turks coming in or Illegal Migrants coming from turkey. I think it was about 0. 2 of the total crossings of the channel last year were turkish last year were actually turkish citizens. So dont think citizens. So i dont think thats to going much of thats to going make much of a difference. And as for the french statistics in stopping 40 of the boats that have attempted to launch from france, frankly , i dont believe a thing frankly, i dont believe a thing that comes out of france. They could make any statistic up. They could say theyve stopped 60 the is we are 60 of it. The fact is we are seeing a significant rise. We have seen a significant rise over the last few years. And people attempting that journey and successfully making it. And this year, numbers look like theyre on course for another record. The french are not doing theirjob. Weve paid them, as i mentioned, hundreds of millions of pounds. Weve now agreed to pay of pounds. Weve now agreed to pay them another half billion pounds the next three pounds over the next three years, including in order to build a facility to house Illegal Migrants in france. But the french, you know, the french are at odds with themselves over this because it helps them if people leave their country and come to the United Kingdom. Theres a kind of moral hazard in the agreement that weve reached with france. And the other recognise other thing the french recognise is that the more we pay, the more people that come across, the more were prepared pay the more were prepared to pay them. The sterling them. You know, the sterling value of our contributions to the french french exchequer has gone up dramatically over the last few years, as have the number of people crossing the channel. So theres a kind of positive loop of reinforcement there with the french. I dont think the french is think the french agreement is worth paper its written on, worth the paper its written on, frankly, the albanian deal. Great. Turkeys a step in the right direction, but theres only one solution to stopping the boats crossing the channel and that is to actually stop the boats in the channel as is our international right, and require them to turn around and go back to france and not to enter our territorial waters and to not land on british beaches. Land on british beaches. Okay. Ben habib, good to talk to you. Thanks very much indeed. Its very thats a very difficult thing because of maritime law. Yeah, actually, maritime law. Yeah, actually, i dont id maybe hes got a point. What do you think . But i dont know quite how you would process that. No i know what you mean. I mean in order to stop the boats, as many people have, many of you would agree with ben habib there, you need to physically the boats in the physically stop the boats in the channel. What deal is channel. But what this deal is trying do is actually stop trying to do is actually stop the boats quite literally before they even get france. But they even get to france. But then theres the issue with the supply will just move. Supply chain. It will just move. They cant them turkey they cant make them in turkey and europe. And get them across europe. Surely would just move to surely it would just move to another very possible. Another country . Very possible. There seem an easy there doesnt seem to be an easy fix, there . Fix, does there . Doesnt. There doesnt. There doesnt. There doesnt. Theres and white theres no black and white with this. Sadly, there was, this. Sadly, no. If there was, it would have solved years it would have been solved years ago. Anyway if ago. Thats right. Anyway if youve thoughts, youve got any thoughts, gbviews gbnews. Com you youve got any thoughts, gbvie we 9gbnews. Com you youve got any thoughts, gbvie we pay ews. Com you youve got any thoughts, gbvie we pay too. Com you youve got any thoughts, gbvie we pay too much you youve got any thoughts, gbvie we pay too much for you youve got any thoughts, gbvie we pay too much for ouryou think we pay too much for our Civil Servants . Well, not only has the Civil Service grown by almost a quarter in the last seven years, but the number of those earning £100,000 also doubled, with £100,000 has also doubled, with almost half of them also working from home. Well, that is at least according to the Taxpayers Alliance, that the alliance, that says that the increase largely london increase is largely in london with Civil Servants on Lower Division earning less. No surprise. Surprise. Well, fraser myers, Deputy Editor at spiked , is with us in editor at spiked, is with us in the studio this morning. Fraser, good morning. Good morning. What do you make of this then . Well its extraordinary. The growth the civil the growth of the Civil Service of over 100,000 people over the past five years. Thats largely a larger number than the Standing Army in britain, interestingly and its mainly in high ranking roles. Its mainly in roles that are away from the front line. So now if you think about the state of britain, you know, weve just been talking about immigration. Theres a huge asylum backlog. You know , huge asylum backlog. You know, 50,000 people in migration hotels the growth in hotels. Most of the growth in Civil Service numbers isnt going to the kind of staff that could dealing those could be dealing with those problems. Its to problems. Its going to managers, its going to research, its going to people who specialists in policy. Who are specialists in policy. So to me, that kind of suggests that the Civil Service

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