With a soft landing and we can avoid a recession. Avoid a recession. Well, the shadow chancellor rachel reeves, says the government needs to do something. A family thats looking to remortgage their property is going to be paying on average more than £200 extra every single month. And for some people its much more than that. The government need to take responsibility for the fact that inflation in the uk is much higher than it is in comparable countries. Countries. Now the developing news this houris now the developing news this hour is that donald trump is currently making his way to washington dc. As youve been hearing, hes going to appear in court there. The former president is charged with plotting to overturn the 2020 us president ial election result. President ial election result. Hes due in court at 9 00 pm. Thats uk time and well keep you up to date with the very latest on that as it happens. Latest on that as it happens. Now, five activists that scaled the Prime Ministers home in nonh the Prime Ministers home in North Yorkshire have been arrested today on suspicion of causing criminal damage and being a public nuisance. The protesters draped rishi sunak home in black fabric in protest against the 100 new north sea oil and gas licence bs, which have been granted by rishi sunak. He says he wont apologise for the exploration gb news has asked the greenpeace ceo if its justified to turn up at the Prime Ministers house. We checked before going. We made sure there was nobody there. It was planned with utmost care. We knocked on the door to care. We knocked on the door to identify who we were and what we were doing. And then first there was no answer. Then the staff came in. We had a nice chat them. And then. Then you jumped and then. And then you jumped on his roof. The message that we delivered the message that what unacceptable what hes doing is unacceptable in a climate emergency. Hes the Prime Minister this decision Prime Minister and this decision let me finish is on him. Let me finish is on him. You can see more of that interview tonight on dan wootton at 9 00. The deputy Prime Minister says Asylum Seekers will be on board the bibby stockholm barge in the coming weeks. The first group of migrants was originally scheduled to into the scheduled to move into the accommodation in dorset on tuesday, but the delay caused by issues surrounding health and safety of port workers got in the way. Oliver dowden says hes confident problems can be confident the problems can be addressed. Thats it. You with addressed. Thats it. You with gb news across the uk on tv, in your car, on Digital Radio and on your Smart Speaker by saying play on your Smart Speaker by saying play gb news now though , its. Farage good evening. It was my good evening. It was my subject access request put into coutts bank that showed me the full horror and truth of their political prejudice and the reason they decided to close out my account. Its what began this big debate about de banking in this country and thats a very, very good thing. So shortly after that i submitted a subject access request to natwest to ask what personal information they held on me. The answer came back today. They said my case was complex and as a result of that they did not need to answer. They did not need to answer. Within 30 days they would give me an answer in full by the 21st of october, theyve kicked the can down the road. Interestingly, in the last few minutes, ive received a reply from the Information Commissioners Office and id gone to them to say, would they please investigate the clear, obvious gdpr breaches that were committed by dame alison rose, the former ceo of natwest , when the former ceo of natwest, when she briefed the bbc. And youll never guess what the ico told me. Theyve told me my case is youve guessed it, complex and therefore they cant investigate it immediately, if ever i saw the establishment clubbing together to protect their own will, then this is it. I also wrote a letter to Natwest Group on monday requesting a meeting because i want to find out how many other people has this happened to within coutts and natwest. 7 and i want to try and make sure that it never happens to anybody else ever again. Well now they are refusing to have that meeting because theyre relying on the inquiry thats been set up by sir Howard Davies where hes appointed a City Law Firm called travers smith, headed up by a chap. Firm called travers smith, headed up by a chap. Hes firm called travers smith, headed up by a chap. Hes the headed up by a chap. Hes the emeritus chair called chris hale. But the problem with that is that chris hale in the past has described brexiteers as xenophobes, racists and being nostalgic for the past. So theyve asked a man to investigate what happened to me who was used almost exactly the same language that appeared dead in that original coutts file. So as you may have gathered, im somewhat frustrated and angry tonight that the establishment is doing his best to kick the can down the road on all of this and as a result ive got no choice but to act and get my lawyers to move and to start sending some much stronger letters. There is a lot at stake letters. There is a lot at stake here, far more than my relationship with that bank, but a whole scandal that is going on within this industry. Now, within this industry. Now, interestingly, this afternoon, the chancellor, jeremy hunt, sat down with gb news Liam Halligan. And its very interesting. This is what he had to say. What i would say is that as a major shareholder in natwest , we major shareholder in natwest, we were very concerned that after this error of judgement, which was conceded by natwest , they was conceded by natwest, they were following the course. They were. Why. 7 because were following the course. They were. Why . Because is in a free society being able to say what you believe is a fundamental human right. But in the modern world we all need Bank Accounts. So if you have to worry that you might be expressing a view that someone in a bank doesnt agree with and you could lose your bank account, that has a Chilling Effect on free speech. Thatis Chilling Effect on free speech. That is not acceptable. All it that is not acceptable. All it is also against the banking regulations. Its effectively against the law. So today ive written to the regulator that has the power to put big fines on banks and ive said, i want to know, is this widespread . Was it a one off thing or is it more widespread . And what are we doing about it to make sure that banks obey the law . Banks obey the law . Well, gb news is economics and business editor. Liam halligan joins me now quite strong stuff from the chancellor. It was quite strong. I feel your frustration , i feel your frustration, nigel. The kind of the people in the dark, if you like , are the dark, if you like, are trying to close ranks and get you to frankly, you know , you to frankly, you know, something off be off family show. Yeah. But the chancellor front and centre asked me to ask him about your case, which is very unusual. About your case, which is very unusual. This is the second most unusual. This is the second most powerful bloke in the country. Yeah, right. And its really interesting. He has tonight written as he said there to the financial conduct authority. Hes made that letter available to us. The chancellor has also said publicly he free speech is a fundamental human right. You can agree or disagree with nigel farage, but everyone must be able to express their opinions. Able to express their opinions. Ive written to the fca, they have the right to find banks very large sums of money if they find this practise is widespread. To if it is,. And i want to know if it is, says jeremy hunt, and i want to know what they are doing about it. Very interesting to it. Itd be very interesting to see if the chancellor respond as frankly to this foot dragging and long grassing, as we call it. What im getting. If it. What im getting. Yeah. If he if he sees that this is happening, if he clocks it, i know his advisers are watching this show. Hes probably watching is watching this show himself. Is he do anything about he going to do anything about that . Procrastinate ation and foot dragging that you have been subjected to over the last 24 hours . Its interesting , isnt it . Its interesting, isnt it . Because the problem is and we discussed the fca last night, sheldon mills , one of the top sheldon mills, one of the top people there has been a director, indeed the boss of stonewall. Its been that culture, that politicisation in, if you like, of our banks that it seemed to me that the fca themselves have almost encouraged, seems to me some encouraged, it seems to me some of our top banks have become a plaything massively over plaything for massively over entitled people who arent as clever as they think they are. But they are. But theyre kind of, you know, establishing good chaps. So of good eggs, good chaps. So of course, these days theyre not always chaps. And yet the Banking Industry is. I think jeremy hunt understands sounds, at least from this writing. They should be plumbers, not architects. They are a utility. Architects. They are a utility. And the fact that people are being deliberately banked for their political views is a complete outrage. This is about so much more than you. You know , just my own newspaper, just today, my own newspaper, the telegraph, been the telegraph, has been reporting that some rural groups who organise the local hunts , who organise the local hunts, obviously they dont they dont chase live foxes anymore because thats against the law. But they thats against the law. But they do track hunting. They do point to point, you know, know , to point, you know, you know, you countryside like you live in the countryside like i. These hugely diverse i do. These are hugely diverse organisations, people from all parts of society, from literally the lord of the manor to stable hands get together. These hunt local hunt groups. Theyre using the so called sum up machines that are backed by banks in order that people can make donations. You know, tom bowlers, local charity fundraising, which is by tapping their card some hunt groups are now being de banked. Yeah theyre not doing anything illegal legal activities urban liberals just dont like them. Yeah. You know gunsmiths are yeah. You know gunsmiths are having the same problem. Um, having the same problem. Um, anybody the oil or anybody involved in the oil or gas industry . Had a chat write gas industry . I had a chat write to me the other day. Whos an engineer power engineer on coal fired power stations, which interestingly , stations, which interestingly, weve up again this weve been firing up again this summer theyre being summer and theyre all being debunked. Liam what debunked as well. Liam what has been me , ive had been interesting to me, ive had a over the last couple of a sense over the last couple of weeks heres a big issue weeks is that heres a big issue that actually unites thing that actually is unites thing leavers and remainers in a remarkable way. It absolutely is. Its uniting. I think , remainers who uniting. I think, remainers who are intellectually honest enough and are anti trump , noble enough and are anti trump, noble enough that they can bring themselves with huge respect. Nigel, through gritted teeth, to move on to the same side of the room that you are because you are for them. Obviously a hate figure. Youve spent your adult life winding up conservatives natives about the European Union , two about the European Union, two huge, hugely successful and now youre exposing a lot of their establishment friends are using our Banking Industry almost as a kind of prop to promote their own version due to their friends and to be moral arbiters. Completely mad. Its completely completely mad. Its completely mad. And particularly here youve got a bank thats 40 owned by the state. Youve got an elected government that is trying to give out, you know, drilling licences so we can use more north sea oil and gas because it actually generates a much, much lower Carbon Footprint and is strategically useful for us. And also generates tax revenue for the uk and natwest. This 40 owned bank says its not going to lend for money the oil and gas industry. Thats insane. Yeah, no, it is. Quick thought. Interest rates up yeah, no, it is. Quick thought. Interest rates up again today. 14th rise in a row. The right decision. The wrong decision. I think its the wrong decision. Ive been writing for many months that we should freeze Interest Rates and interesting that deputy interesting that the Deputy Governor england, governor of the bank of england, a broadbent, governor of the bank of england, a of broadbent, governor of the bank of england, a of course broadbent, governor of the bank of england, a of course used broadbent, governor of the bank of england, a of course used t0 adbent, governor of the bank of england, a of course used to worknt, governor of the bank of england, a of course used to work for who of course used to work for Goldman Sachs, it seems be, Goldman Sachs, it seems to be, you compulsory you know, obviously compulsory that you have to work for Goldman Sachs to be as big cheese as Deputy Governor of the bank of england, probably being lined up to be the next governor. He acknowledged in a press press press conference in the press conference that money tree Conference Today that money tree policy takes 18 months to two years actually have an years to actually have an effect. So raising Interest Rates now, thats not of course, it has an immediate effect. If youre on a variable Rate Mortgage and its a painful effect. But hes hes admitting that this Monetary Policy works with long and variable lags. I feel strongly and a lot of people now agree with me. Ive been saying it for months that people now agree with me. Ive bee bank ng it for months that people now agree with me. Ive bee bank of it for months that people now agree with me. Ive bee bank of england nths that people now agree with me. Ive bee bank of england shouldiat people now agree with me. Ive bee bank of england should hold the bank of england should hold fire see what the impact of fire and see what the impact of the know now. 14 successive the know now. 14 successive Interest Rate rise , 10 or 11 Interest Rate rise, 10 or 11 Interest Rate rise, 10 or 11 Interest Rate rise, 10 or 11 Interest Rate rises would have been enough. Since then its just been pain for ordinary household and firms in the real economy and its been all about the bank of england to the bank of england trying to assert assert, assert assert shirt, assert, assert itself in order to salvage its lost credibility and it could drive us into recession. Compounding the error and it could easily drive us into recession. Very quick thought, wilko household name. 12,000 jobs. Hardware store. Jobs. Hardware store. The one thing id say here, right . It hasnt gone into administration. What theyve given is an noy. Youre a businessman and you know thats a intent. Theyre a notice of intent. Theyre saying theyre thinking about going they going into administration. They now have two weeks during which they can find a new buyer as the fashion chain joules did in december when next bought them, saved over 100 outlets. Im not saying that wilco are going to be rescued, but i do think theyve a fighting chance. Theyve got a fighting chance. They keep some of they can at least keep some of those 400 stores open and some of 1200 12,000 jobs can be of those 1200 12,000 jobs can be salvaged. Lets hope for the sake of the people working there that do that. That they can do that. Ever, thank in liam, as ever, thank you. In a de banking and im a moment, de banking and im going talk to sir cable going to talk to Sir Vince Cable. Find out why we. Im going to find out why we lost our to a universal lost our right to a universal right to a bank account and what can be done Sir Vince Cable has been a professional economist leader , professional economist leader, of course, of the liberal democrats and part of that Coalition Government from 2010 to 2015. Vince the mail on sunday had a freedom of information request suggesting that up to 1000 Bank Accounts are being closed in britain every day. Did you have any idea how big this problem was . No. And i think its great you brought this to the surface. You know, i think a lot of people are being de banking now. I think a lot of its commercial. You know, people have very low incomes. They have bad credit records , all kinds of business records, all kinds of business reasons. But, you know, there reasons. But, you know, there obviously has been moral judgements, political judgements. I mean, i noticed sex workers were protesting in large numbers that theyve been excluded because, well, in the because, well, theyre in the cash doesnt of their cash industry doesnt of their industry and people have industry and other people have just been excluded by geography. I mean you will have noticed, i mean people the i mean most people have the retreat banking network. Retreat of the banking network. And in villages, small and so people in villages, small communities dont have access to an account. This makes people very angry because when went wrong because when it all went wrong in zero and oh nine, it in zero eight and oh nine, it was the taxpayer that to was the taxpayer that had to step in. And of course, in the case group, still case of a Natwest Group, still nearly it is owned by the nearly 40 of it is owned by the taxpayer. Theyve taxpayer. And in return theyve closed 5000 Bank Branches around the country. So what are people, the country. So what are people, local people taking cash . Well, one of the things i tried to do when i was in government was to get the banks to agree to a last bankin get the banks to agree to a last bank in town policy that when it got to the last branch, one of them would stay put and they agreed to that, did they . And also agreed that the post office could step in and provide that function. But as i understand it, this government didnt follow it up. And the banks more or less been banks have more or less been allowed to their allowed to pursue their own short term interests. You see, short term interests. You see, you know, you go back a few decades and people have got their wage packets in cash and you could spend cash everywhere. The pandemic hastened this move towards more of a cashless society. You cant live in the 21st century without a functioning bank account and cards attached to it. Its as vital, isnt it, as water and electric city. Yes. Well, digitisation is now everywhere. But the problem is that millions of people have just been left behind. I mean, if theyre relatively elderly and theyre not fluent on internet or theyre you know, theyve had a Credit History and theyre trying to put their lives back together again. Of lives back together again. Of course, the banks are no longer interested in these people. So yeah, there a problem of yeah, there is a problem of financial exclusion. The government tried 12 years ago to introduce basic Bank Accounts to help people set up. I dont i havent heard any reference to the banks to how to make this system. Didnt we used to have this, you know, when we had the giro bank attached to the post office and as they have in our neighbours france and neighbours in france and germany, were in a position germany, we were in a position where had right to where everybody had the right to an thats gone, an account and thats gone, hasnt . Hasnt it . Know whether this was i dont know whether this was ever enshrined and ever enshrined in law and constitution , but, but you know, constitution, but, but you know, people have to have access to Bank Accounts. You can operate Bank Accounts. You can operate some people operate in a very limited way just with cash under their bed or something. Thats not you cant operate that. Youve got to operate in, particularly if youre in business. So youve no alternative. Could post Office Counters could be way . Could this be the way . Well, i tried in government to the post office the to give the post office the power to provide financial services, Banking Services , and services, Banking Services, and they do this but in a very restrictive way. I mean, you know, the big drama around the post office and the way it treated subpostmasters, there are very tightly controlled, organised nation, but they have had limited powers and in a sensible world they would have more powers. And equally, of course, the post office have closed all over the country as well. So again, if got a car and if you havent got a car and banks, havent got a car, banks, you havent got a car, youre living outside the big cities. I think a mm ma i think in a way were just deaung i think in a way were just dealing the tip an dealing with the tip of an iceberg here. Not just iceberg here. Its not just banking as rightly banking, but as you rightly said, you know, the banking crisis, heavily involved crisis, i was heavily involved in all that at the time. Yeah you they were bailed out , you know, they were bailed out, but still ultimately depend but they still ultimately depend on the taxpayer. If they screw on the taxpayer. If they screw up , you know, indulge in too up, you know, indulge in too much casino banking, you know, at the end of the day, were liable for so arent we do something in return . Yes. Yes. Yes. And you know, your issue is a very big one. But theres also the issue at the moment, theyve got an enormous windfall all from this sudden increase in interest. Most of that Interest Rates. Most of that money is not going to their depositors as it should be, or providing some kind of funding to help distressed borrowers reschedule. Well, i mean, that reschedule. Well, i mean, that should be their priority. And if we were operating the banks as a utility, as they should be, and heard liam making that argument a minute ago , thats what they a minute ago, thats what they would be regulated to do. But as far as i can see, they just pocketing the windfall can we launch a campaign for the universal right for everybody to have account . Yes, have a bank account . Yes, i think you would have to be careful about people who who wont responsibly. And, you wont bank responsibly. And, you know, there are people who are involved in semi fraud and so on. So the banks do have to have a power to exclude on genuine banking , commercial grounds. But banking, commercial grounds. But so subjective judgements of the kind that youve experienced and many others have experienced is completely off the wall. And shouldnt be accepted. Well, i have a feeling, vince, this ones going to run and run. Vince, this ones going to run ancim|. Vince, this ones going to run ancim sure it will. Im sure it will. Im sure it will. Thank you much indeed thank you very much indeed for giving us forjoining us and giving us some well. In a some explanation as well. In a moment , some explanation as well. In a moment, charlie some explanation as well. In a moment , Charlie Peters has done moment, Charlie Peters has done a investigation and its a special investigation and its quite shocking that an imam intimately involved with the National Health service has been over to meet the taliban and appears to approve of much of what they say all of that in just a moment and a vocational skills institute. But gb news has seen footage of him photographed alongside the talibans foreign minister and some other ministers as well. Now this foreign minister, amir muttaqi , foreign minister, amir muttaqi, he was said to have led a ginormous, systematic jihadist propagandist network before 2001, when the us took over a very controversial figure for mr ghaniand very controversial figure for mr ghani and his delegation to be photographed alongside. And they also met with the talibans chief justice minister, sheikh abdul haqqani, a founder of the taliban. So senior in fact , that taliban. So senior in fact, that hes been in charge of putting down various laws regarding women and girls, their rights to education, various reports to the un and International Observers since 2021, saying that rights have really rolled back in that country. The eu back in that country. The eu have sanctioned him directly , a have sanctioned him directly, a travel ban and an asset freeze because of that. But still for this nhs chaplain, not someone hes ashamed of meeting. Indeed the minister said in a statement that afghan khan was a shariah compliant government and he was hoping to set an example. He said this while meeting with the british delegation. But most alarmingly , this was this was alarmingly, this was this was a Statement Released out in pashtun. The Supreme Court pashtun. The Supreme Court claimed that the uk delegation said that british muslims were very happy about what the taliban run government was doing and that the Islamic Emirate of afghanistan was an example and they needed it to survive. They added that the iea was a role model of sharia in the world, according to this british delegation. And we of course, we went to mr ghani and other members of the delegation asking , do you believe this . Do you support this . Weve heard nothing. And the nhs, particularly this south london nhs trust, theyve also not provided a statement. Provided a statement. Well, im joined by dr. Taj hargey, been on the program before, many times with us, provost of the Oxford Institute for. Are you in for british islam. Are you in favour of what the taliban do . No absolutely not. And for example , two weeks and for example, two weeks after they seized power , we had after they seized power, we had after they seized power, we had a big demonstration outside downing street to protest the seizure coming to office. And we had no mainstream support. You know, the press ignored it. And so within two weeks, we were already saying this is going to be disastrous for the Afghan People and particularly women. And we were just ignored. So from the go, we realised from the get go, we realised that is not speaking that the taliban is not speaking for muslims. They are speaking for muslims. They are speaking for chauvinist culture for mediaeval chauvinist culture that has no place in in modern day society, whether they or you i so so| so i mean, what do you say about a delegation includes ing, you know, an nhs . Im going you know, an nhs . Im going being photographed, being supportive of this extreme culture. Well, we have a big problem here. For example, this imam was a chaplain at the hospital, but also we have imams as chaplains at prisons and at colleges and universities. All of them actually taliban in disguise. Actually taliban in disguise. Because what if you look at them, what are the telltale signs . Firstly, they are all members of the fb facial hair bngade. Members of the fb facial hair brigade. Secondly, they all wear brigade. Secondly, they all wear middle eastern and indo pak costumes because they think thats the way you should be. Islam doesnt have a cultural obsess with clothing or with beards and whatever. And so the way to weed these people out of important positions like chaplains at hospitals , colleges chaplains at hospitals, colleges and prisons and so forth , is to and prisons and so forth, is to have vet them, vet them for their for their for their theology. Now, if you theology. Now, if you investigate salam , ghani, investigate salam, ghani, suleiman, ghani and others , all suleiman, ghani and others, all of them are in favour of female oppression. All of them are in favour of giving no rights to lgbt and so forth. All of them. Lgbt and so forth. All of them. So how come the british establishment, in this case, the hospital , the prisons, the hospital, the prisons, the colleges allow such people to have such positions . Yeah. Well, and if you want to come on this program and answer this, you havent yet. You havent answered yet. Charlie you but who Charlie Peters you can. But who sorts this out . Taj i mean , you sorts this out . Taj i mean, you know, is it not a fair criticism that islam farm has not been very good at policing itself . Very good at policing itself . Absolutely. But then we are living in this society. I have to follow law and order here. And so whoever is in authority here, whether its the prisons, hospitals, colleges, whatever , hospitals, colleges, whatever, they need make sure that the they need to make sure that the people representing this faith are not taliban disguise , are are not taliban in disguise, are not salafi extremists, and how big is the problem . I mean, you know, you youre being very frank about this. Absolutely. The problem is huge. For example, the point huge. But for example, the point is the establishment people like you even mainstream you and even the Mainstream Media they are media and this media, they are not us enough to not giving us enough support to fight people. I mean, we fight these people. I mean, we need to them terms of need to defeat them in terms of ideas them, listen, that ideas to show them, listen, that their perversity , their their perversity, their distortion of islam has got nothing to do with the faith. This is just a caricature of mediaeval culture that has no place, like ive said, in modern day society. Well, i can assure you that youre very you know, were happy to have you on were very happy to have you on here saying strong here saying that some strong words from taj. Words there from taj. Indeed. I think yes, indeed. And i think theyre necessary because theyre quite necessary because , was not alone in , as mr ghani was not alone in terms of associations on terms of his associations on that trip , other members of this that trip, other members of this british delegation include a man called Haitham Al Haddad , a called Haitham Al Haddad, a notoriously controversial cleric within britain who has been banned or had talks at universities postponed due to accusations made towards him about anti semitism , um, about about anti semitism, um, about homophobia, and also accusations that he is an extremist regarding female genital mutilation. So this group of people represent britain in their view, in afghanistan, meeting with senior taliban ministers and indeed most concerningly, as gb news has revealed tonight, linked to the nhs. Yeah Charlie Peters, thank you. And taj. Thank you. Thank you. You spoke very, very strongly there and im sure itll get a huge amount of support from our audience and very important to now in about an hour and a halfs time, donald trump will be appearing in a courtroom in washington, dc. Hes already made his way to the city quite how much direct footage were going to get for quite serious charges are going to be put in front of him. And from 9 00, you can tune in to dan wootton show live coverage of this with some very , very big guests. Okay. Very, very big guests. Okay. Before we go to the next break, i just want to show you something. The what the farage moment this lady is a labour party , newcastle councillor. Party, newcastle councillor. Have a look at what she said on tiktok. Tiktok. Hi listeners. Erum ali here. Immigration solicitor are you in the uk without a valid visa . Are the uk without a valid visa . Are you illegal or have you overstayed your visa . Do not overstayed your visa . Do not fear erum ali is here to help you regularise your visa in the uk and submit an application to the home office based on your human rights. It is extremely important to make sure you become legal in the uk. There is become legal in the uk. There is an extremely hostile environment for overstayers here, so you must make sure that you can submit an application to the home office, become legal and be en route to indefinite leave to remain so, contact me. Lets have that conversation and work out what needs to be done to get your stay here in the uk. Okay. Your stay here in the uk. Okay. Thanks. Bye there you go. An elected labour councillor from newcastle doing everything she possibly can to encourage people whove come here illegally to stay. And we did of course approach the labour party for a comment and frankly we got fobbed off with the conservatives should stop taking the public for fools, stop blaming everyone else and do theirjob. Now actually maybe their job. Now actually maybe you as a labour party ought to do your job now. Five protesters do yourjob now. Five protesters has managed to get onto the roof of the Prime Ministers home in yorkshire this morning, draping it with a black material and holding up banners up on the roof, generally behaving pretty disgracefully. At least i think disgracefully. At least i think so. Well, gb news is ben. Leo decided he would return the favour to greenpeace by going straight into their offices. Straight into their offices. We checked before going. We made sure there was nobody there. It was planned with utmost care. We knocked on the door to identify who we were and what we were doing. And then what we were doing. And then first there was no answer. Then the staff came in. We had a nice chat with them. And then. And then you jumped on roof. On his roof. Delivered message that we delivered the message that what unacceptable what hes doing is unacceptable in emergency. Hes the in a climate emergency. Hes the Prime Minister this decision Prime Minister and this decision let me finish is on him. Let me finish is on him. Well, there we are, ben leo there. And he did sort of just walk straight into the building and they asked whether he had permission. He well, you permission. He said, well, you didnt did you, when permission. He said, well, you didrwent did you, when permission. He said, well, you didrwent to did you, when permission. He said, well, you didrwent to rishii you, when permission. He said, well, you didrwent to rishi sunakshen permission. He said, well, you didrwent to rishi sunaks house. You went to rishi sunaks house. But you thats where we but you know, thats where we are of this. It seems are with all of this. It seems that climate activists seem to think that actually, you know, the doesnt really apply to the law doesnt really apply to them. And youll the full them. And youll get the full interview tonight again on whats going to be, i suspect, a rather busy dan wootton show. Okay hey, in a moment after a break, its to going be thursday nights talking pints. And im going to be joined by somebody really rather well known on radio, on telly, particularly kids telly back in the 90s. And somebody who recently told a joke and got a slap over the wrist for doing it. Goodness me, you must be careful of humour these days. Must be rationed. Yeah. In these days. Must be rationed. Yeah. In a moment ill be joined by pat sharp now lets be honest. I am nostalgic. For the 1980s. I was nostalgic. For the 1980s. I was working in london in the city the foreign money was coming in, the foreign money was coming in, the music was great. The country was getting richer. And yeah, sure, there were parts of the country did badly, but if you were in london in the 1980s, it was pretty cool. But it has to was pretty cool. But it has to be said , not everything about be said, not everything about the 1980s has aged, particularly well, including this clip of a band who called themselves pat and mick. Have a look at this oh lets all check. Lets all check. Lets all check. Lets soul lets all check. Lets soul check. Lets all check. Lets soul check. Lets all chant. Check. Lets all chant. Oh, dear, oh dear, oh dear. Well, im joined now by one time p0p well, im joined now by one time pop star but also legendary radio and Television Presenter pat sharp. Pat, welcome to liam broady. Thanks for running that clip. Yeah, well , no, but it was yeah, well, no, but it was actually you did it all. Not just for fun or you did it for a good reason. We did. It was for Capital Radios help, a london child. We had five hit singles. We raised over 300 grand. And it was for as dj said in those days, charity yeah. Charity charity with a d, yeah. Charity beat. Was, was, you beat. And it was, it was, you know, was to do once know, it was fun to do once a year we got to being pop year we got to play being pop stars we made the songs with stars and we made the songs with stock Aitken Waterman and we ended top the with ended up on top of the pops with the radio. One guys having to introduce Capital Radio guys. Oh, that must hurt. That oh, that must have hurt. That must that must have must have hurt. That must have had. Grand raised . Yeah in total we had five hit singles and an album. Yeah. And were which 300 grand. And were going years. Yeah. Going back 30 plus years. Yeah. Got of real money. Absolutely. Yeah, absolutely. Yeah, absolutely. Little bit so a little bit of embarrassment matter embarrassment doesnt matter to raise sort money. Raise that sort of money. Mean, embarrassing i mean, its so embarrassing for me because the of for me because at the end of the day, thats looked and day, thats how i looked and thats the 80s were about. Thats what the 80s were about. You know, i this and you know, i had this hair and its this day. People its lasted to this day. People still to me like, oh, you still say to me like, oh, you cut your hair. I go, yeah, yeah. Just decades ago. Just three decades ago. Pat, know, youre so, pat, you know, youre from very sort of class from a very sort of middle class quite well to do semi posh back ground Public School. Yep. Merchant taylors Public School and all the and all the rest of it. And probably, you know, your parents thought you were going to go and become a, you know, a stockbroker or a lawyer or a doctor or, or, you know, and but no, this obsession with music obviously was there very early. Yeah, they were right behind me from the word go. And kicking me to do it behind me. So they me, behind me. So they helped me, you me get my first you know, helped me get my first car, put the records car, helped me put the records in the boot when i went off to germany 18 and worked germany when i was 18 and worked in in germany with a in a club in germany with a bunch schweppes which bunch of schweppes boxes which fitted really fitted seven inch singles really well. I got them the pub, i well. I got them from the pub, i think someone out and think someone throw them out and i and then i went in i took them and then i went in my cortina and went off to germany. When this start . Germany. When did this start . It very early that music was it very early that music that was it . Was it very early that music tha yeah, was it . Was it very early that music tha yeah, mean, was it . Was it very early that music tha yeah, mean, i was it . Was it very early that music tha yeah, mean, i wasas it . Was it very early that music tha yeah, mean, i was you . Was it very early that music tha yeah, mean, i was you know, yeah, i mean, i was you know, you about people taping the you hear about people taping the top really top 40 and getting really annoyed keeps annoyed because the dj keeps coming theyre waiting coming on and theyre waiting with the pause button so they can cut out. Can cut the dj out. It the other well, i would do it the other way round and record the dj and the jingles and links and the jingles and the links and cut out because cut the songs out because i wanted how were wanted to hear how people were doing for the craft that doing things for the craft that i eventually went on to hone. So being that was it. So being a dj, that was it. That the ambition. That was the ambition. That. Always. Oh, only that. Yeah always. Oh, only that. Yeah always. Know , you work your and you know, you work your way actually in a way through and actually in a sense get there fairly sense you get there fairly quickly, dont you . Because i mean, you know, one was mean, you know, radio one was just so huge, wasnt it . I mean the, the radio 1 roadshow was, i mean it was absolutely blooming enormous. And you managed to get enormous. And you managed to get on to radio one at a relatively young age, 23. Its not bad is it. Yeah. I covered steve wright show for a week when i was 20. I think i was the youngest ever. Radio one dj at the time and maybe even to this day, im not sure. But when it was sure. But when you say it was the biggest they didnt the biggest thing, they didnt have of competition. Have a lot of competition. There wasnt commercial wasnt too many commercial radio stations wasnt too many commercial radio statyeah. Then sort yeah. And then sort of capital along starts capital comes along and starts to it. Now with to challenge it. And now with dab and streaming and all sorts of options, but our biggest radio station, of course, is still radio two. Radio two is massive. And its had this massive. And its had this really extraordinarily loyal audience. You sort of think back audience. You sort of think back through the years of jemmy young and terry wogan and these giant figures and qatar ken bruce was one of those figures, wasnt he . Yeah have they made a terrible mistake in retiring him off . Well, i dont know if they did retire him off. I dont know the whole story as to how he went to greatest hits, but he did and hes done brilliantly today with the figures that did and hes done brilliantly todaycome the figures that did and hes done brilliantly todaycome out, figures that did and hes done brilliantly todaycome out, as figures that did and hes done brilliantly todaycome out, as haeres that did and hes done brilliantly todaycome out, as has the that have come out, as has the station. So for ken. I station. So good for ken. I guess wanted to play sort guess he wanted to play the sort of songs loves and of songs that he loves and perhaps some of the perhaps not play some of the stuff that two now stuff that radio two is now playing, which is radio two. Steve wright playing, which is radio two. You steve wright playing, which is radio two. You know, steve wright playing, which is radio two. You know, i steve wright playing, which is radio two. You know, i mean, ve wright playing, which is radio two. You know, i mean, theyve1t on. You know, i mean, theyve gone for younger presenters, but theyre losing a fair bit of market share, arent they . Today they did, yeah. Well, today they did, yeah. Who mean its a its a who knows. I mean its a its a long game isnt every long end game isnt it. Every three months rajar same three months theres rajar same as you i guess for your as you guys. I guess for your figures, you know, figures, isnt it . So you know, you your tv figures, they you get your tv figures, they get their radio ones and at the moment todays a good day for greatest hits radio because they did well in ken bruces obviously helped them get there. No, no, no. Listen. I mean signing no and popmaster and all the rest of it. But you had a great career, didnt you, in radio. I mean, radio one, you know, capital, which was a really big buzzy thing to be part of. Yeah when i was on it, it was great because i was on a i was Chris Tarrants warm up. So every id, know, get every morning id, you know, get , in there basically, you , get in there basically, you know sorry when i say i was his warm it was other way round warm it was the other way round but suddenly realised but i just i suddenly realised i suddenly that suddenly realised how could that be round . How be the other way round . How could tarrant be my warm could Chris Tarrant be my warm up . So i did mid mornings he was on before but wasnt on before me, but he wasnt my warm was Chris Tarrant. Warm up. He was Chris Tarrant. Breakfast, didnt he did the breakfast, didnt he . It was a really big thing. Just sounds odd saying he was my it . My warm up, doesnt it . Do you make this so how do you make this transition from being, you know, a professional, the a radio professional, all the thing wanted to do, thing you always wanted to do, and its funhouse, and then suddenly its funhouse, its its huge , and its tv and its huge, and millions watch it and it goes on for year after year after year. What was the switch from radio to telly . Well, it was never really a switch because i carried on doing radio and im still doing it day. But funhouse it to this day. But funhouse only me one week a year. Only took me one week a year. I was just telling your floor manager telling her all manager because telling her all about she was a bit about it there she was a bit young to remember i only young to remember it. I only spent week a year going to spent one week a year going to scotland stv would make scotland and at stv i would make seven worth of shows , two seven days worth of shows, two shows a day, two times seven is 14. Thats 14 weeks worth of shows. And that was it. People think this fun house think i lived in this fun house with twins for like ten with the twins for like ten years, i only spent ten years, but i only spent ten weeks doing ten years worth of shows. Shows. But it was a real cult thing for wasnt it . For kids, wasnt it . Oh, very much so. Oh, yeah, very much so. Biggest rated kids tv show, i think of all time. I think it probably think of all time. I think it pro yeah. That that kind of yeah. And that that kind of i guess the people of a certain age you in the street age who see you in the street and i get the best thing nigel people will come up to me. Ill be doing a gig and youll get this great big bloke come up to me and hell say, you pat, and ill go, yeah, yeah, yeah. Goes, just want to say yeah. He goes, just want to say one thing. I go, yeah. Yes you made childhood. Made my childhood. I go, wow, thats just as well. Thats probably just as well. Thank god. Yeah that you look at kids tv today say its different. Its more fractured isnt it. I dont watch it. No ive got ive got grandkids now. Yeah. Ive got grandkids now. Yeah. But it is more fractured isnt it. There are so many more Different Things we can turn on and different channels. I mean look, the reason why we probably did so well is when i was on funhouse, was four funhouse, there was four channels and now theres. Channels and now theres. Yeah. 400. Yeah. 400. Yeah. 400. Yeah. Mean , name plus name yeah. I mean, name plus name your number. Yeah. And its funny isnt it. I mean television is changing with streaming and all the choice. I think that amazes me is kind of the oldest medium of this radio. The appeal of radio never seems to go away very personable, very 1 to 1. You never go on the radio and say, hi everybody, how are you doing . You say, hey, how are you . And you talk to that one person either in the bath person whos either in the bath or the wherever they or in the gym or wherever they are, thats your person are, and thats your person that youve your and youve got in your head and thats talking to. Like, now this was the famous wogan quote, wasnt it . I think parkinson him, you know, parkinson said to him, you know, terry, is 8 terry, youve got is it 8 million or 9 million . More. Oh, he had more. Oh, he had more. And was it was huge numbers. Oh, he had more. Hej was it was huge numbers. Oh, he had more. He hads it was huge numbers. Oh, he had more. He had 16 was huge numbers. Oh, he had more. He had 16 oras huge numbers. Oh, he had more. He had 16 or something. Nbers. He had 16 or something. He had 16 or something. I unbelievable and you i mean unbelievable and you know wogan said, well actually ive one listener. Yeah ive only got one listener. Yeah his wife. His wife. And that was and that was the idea. Yeah. Donald trumps plane is well show you a is landing. Well show you a couple of quick clips. So yeah is landing. Well show you a co comes quick clips. So yeah is landing. Well show you a co comes the ck clips. So yeah is landing. Well show you a co comes the trump;. So yeah is landing. Well show you a co comes the trump plane. Eah is landing. Well show you a co comes the trump plane. Hes in comes the trump plane. Hes back in washington dc. Interestingly only the second time that hes been back in the American Capital since since he left the presidency. So all that drama is going to unfold in an hour and ten minutes time when he appears in court. And you can get all of that live with the dan wootton and some really, really great, great guests. Really great, great guests. I know thats quite serious and everything that youre talking about and this is news channel, but it did remind me of alan partridge. Because alan partridge. There because you talking you suddenly went from talking about me and you about stuff with me and you went, just got this in roger moore is on the roundabout on the north circular. Well, my kids take the mickey out of me for alan partridge. So thank you so what happened to the mullet . Come on. Well it was getting long, getting a bit long, and i thought id the girls thought id give the girls a chance, i cut it off, and now chance, so i cut it off, and now its quite sensible now, isnt it . Quite sensible. Quite sensible. Did you have the how long did you have the mullet . Em em too long, but not so long. That there calendar that there isnt a calendar coming christmas. Coming out at christmas. Really . Yeah. Really . Yeah. Really . Yeah. Yeah. I mean, im in the worlds greatest mullet calendar as speak, now theyre as we speak, but now theyre going my own one. Going to do my own one. Well, you are. You wow. Well, there you are. You never stop now never seem to stop pat. Now youve recently youve been working recently a bit at greatest hits, which we talked moment ago for talked about a moment ago for four since it started. Four years since it started. Yeah. E yeah. Going pretty well, and its going pretty well, isnt it . You fi isnt it . You the station the station is as you say, the station is fantastic, nick, you say as you say, the station is fantaswithiick, you say as you say, the station is fantaswith their you say as you say, the station is fantaswith their figures. Ay as you say, the station is fantaswith their figures. And today with their figures. And ken it better ken bruce has made it better than ever. Yeah ken bruce has made it better tha now, r. Yeah ken bruce has made it better tha now,r. Yeah into a bit of now, you got into a bit of trouble lately. Thats the trouble lately. Thats what the newspapers told newspapers tell me. You told a joke. You told a joke at an event, and people took offence. Did to easily did we take offence to easily these days . Um, i dont i think um, i dont know. I think its up to individual its up to the individual as to who offence to what one who takes offence to what one says or what thinks says or what one even thinks these days about saying. But for me, yeah, you know , i just do my me, yeah, you know, i just do my job. I get out there and do what i do and try not to upset anybody. So i hope i didnt. Yeah , well, i tell you what, yeah, well, i tell you what, causing offence is really , causing offence is really, really easy. So, pat, what is next . Are you just going to go on what youve done forever . I so, wu i hope so, yeah. I mean, i look at someone like tony blackburn, good of blackburn, whos a good mate of mine and me and tony. We have breakfast together couple mine and me and tony. We have br listen to sounds of the 60s at the weekends and i love it. Hes spinning from 1964 or spinning a record from 1964 or 5 and well, remember when and says, well, i remember when i you could be i first did this, you could be the next tony blackburn. An the next tony blackburn. What an absolute pleasure. You to absolute pleasure. Thank you to have talking pints really have you on talking pints really enjoyed have you on talking pints really endthank much thank you very much for having thank you indeed having me much. Thank you indeed i now, Jacob Rees Mogg joins me in the studio. Jacob, very in the studio. Jacob, very interesting i thought. Interview an intervention by the chancellor jeremy an intervention by the chancellorjeremy hunt, talking chancellor jeremy hunt, talking to gb news Liam Halligan earlier. What did you make of that . I mean, yes , quite strong that . I mean, yes, quite strong talk, it . Talk, wasnt it . Quite strong talk. Very, very encouraging. What saying, encouraging. What he was saying, particularly about about the banking scandal. They actually what im going to be talking to liam whether the bank liam about is whether the bank of been slow to of england having been slow to start is now going too start with, is now going too far. So well drawing on far. And so well be drawing on liams to examine the liams expertise to examine the banks Interest Rate decision. Banks Interest Rate decision. But im used to them, jacob. I mean, im well used to conservative senior politicians, including chancellors , saying including chancellors, saying were going to do this and were going to do that and not actually delivering. And whats clear to me is this whole sort of woke culture that weve talked about in the banks actually, a lot of its coming from the fca is hunt tough enough to grip this . Do you know . I think hunt is pretty tough that he managed to be Health Secretary for six years and to do a very respectable job in one of the hardest jobs in government and to keep it going for a long time and to take on people who didnt agree with what he was trying to do. So, i think jeremy hunt do. So, yes, i think jeremy hunt is enough deliver. But is tough enough to deliver. But ive also put forward and a legislative amendment to try and ensure that people are protected with their Bank Accounts because ultimately legislation is more powerful than a regulators whim or regulators whim can change. Change legislation is very hard to change. Yeah. No. Well, i hope you succeed with that, jacob. And actually, isnt it amazing that i there with Sir Vince Cable i sat there with Sir Vince Cable earlier this issue earlier on and on this issue that people need you, theyve got to have the right to a bank account. They cant survive live in century it. In the 21st century without it. Actually remarkably, weve got leavers and remainers coming together. Its very important and its very interesting because you and l, very interesting because you and i, by nature and inclination, are free marketeers. And if are free marketeers. And if people dont want to do business, thats a matter for them. But the banks are different because the banks are so all so heavily regulated in all their business lines, but also they have a guarantee from the taxpayer that theyre not allowed to fail. They are too big to fail, too economically important. And if you have the important. And if you have the taxpayer standing behind you, you have to behave in a reasonable way to all your potential customers, not just to your favoured few. Your favoured few. No, i agree with jacob. And, you know, hey, you know, they got into trouble back in 2008. They too big to fail. Our they were too big to fail. Our taxes up to bail them out. Taxes went up to bail them out. And in return, what have they done . Theyve closed 5000 branches all around the country. De banking1000 branches all around the country. De banking 1000 people. Theyre de banking 1000 people a. They dont want small a day. They dont want Small Businesses to lodge cash with them. And theyve let us down very, very badly. Well lots coming up over the course of the next few hours. Jacob rees mogg up next, dan wootton from nine with a lot of live shots in from washington dc before all of that, is it too much to hope that, is it too much to hope that the weather is going to get better, the temperatures are rising, boxt solar proud sponsors of weather on. Gb news. Sponsors of weather on. Gb news. Im alex deakin and this is your latest weather update from the met office for gb news. Some wet and windy weather heading in for friday night and saturday, but for many friday will be a dry and a bright day with perhaps bit more sunshine perhaps a bit more sunshine than weve wet and weve had of late. The wet and windy for saturday windy weather for saturday coming area of coming from this area of low pressure ahead of it, though, a ridge High Pressure is trying ridge of High Pressure is trying to move in. Its not completely across the uk though, so still some heavy showers around this evening and indeed overnight. Well some going over well keep some going over eastern scotland eastern eastern scotland and eastern england. One further england. The odd one further west, places will west, but many places will become dry overnight with some clearer spells and temperatures dipping down to about 11 to 14. In towns and cities. So to in most towns and cities. So to on friday. And as i said, many places will be dry and bright, certainly the west, places will be dry and bright, certainly the west , across certainly in the west, across these counties of these eastern counties of england and indeed across much of probably of the midlands, probably to be quite start. And there quite a cloudy start. And there will further outbreaks of will be further outbreaks of rain northeast england. And rain over northeast england. And then afternoon showers then the afternoon heavy showers could break out because lincolnshire , east anglia and lincolnshire, east anglia and the far south east, many Western Areas looking dry and areas though, looking dry and bright, more sunshine than bright, a bit more sunshine than weve light winds weve seen of late, light winds as so feeling pleasant if as well. So feeling pleasant if we do get some sunshine. But temperatures only high, temperatures still only high, teens 20s and look at this teens low 20s and look at this deep of low pressure deep area of low pressure bringing and weather bringing wet and windy weather swinging across the country on friday and spreading more friday night. And spreading more widely during saturday. Northern scotland will generally stay dry and bright and it may brighten up in the south west, but here well the strongest winds. Well have the strongest winds. We a met Office Warning we do have a met Office Warning in here in place for those winds here and rain across and for the heavy rain across northern ireland. More details on warnings the on those weather warnings on the met