>> dana: former president donald trump in virginia after a strong debate last night. hello, everyone. i'm dana perino with my good friends judge jeanine pirro, harold ford jr., jesse watters and greg gutfeld. it's 5:00 in new york city and this is "the five." ♪ ♪ >> i don't walk as easy as i used to. i don't speak as smoothly as i used to. i don't debate as well as i used too but i know what i do know, i know how to tell the truth. >> dana: president biden telling terrified democrats from the safety of the teleprompter that he's not going anywhere after a bumbling debate performance. full blown panic and calls to step aside. >> what mr. trump left me. we have 1,000 trillionaires. i mean billionaires. what i was able to do with the covid. excuse me. dealing with everything we have to do with, look. if... we finally beat medicare. continue until we get the total ban. total initiative relative to what we are going to do with more border control and more asylum officers. >> i really don't know what he said at the end of the sentence. >> dana: the media openly questioning of joe biden should even stay in the race. >> very bad night for joe biden. >> deep, wide, aggressive panic in the democratic party. >> kind of a defcon 1 woman. >> president biden needs to step down. for humanity, his integrity and his legacy. >> there's going to be discussions about whether he should continue. >> the universal reaction was somewhere approaching panic. >> conversations ranged from whether he should be in this race tomorrow morning to, what was wrong with them? >> that was painful. i love joe biden. i work for joe biden. he didn't do well at all. >> a lot of people have resting 25th amendment face. >> dana: here's an image democrats don't want you to c. first lady joe biden escorting her has been stage last night but she insists he did a great job. >> you answered every question. >> dana: barack obama also coming to joe biden's defense. he posted this on x. "bad debate might happen, trust me, i know." greg gutfeld, you know. you know how it is. >> greg: i wasn't shocked by this. i was disgusted by the people who are shocked by this. imagine you're in american. in a political person untethered to any political silo who saw biden last night for the first because that's when you check into politics, a debate. how shocked and horrified would you have been? it's like running into an old friend you hadn't seen in a couple years who is now on the streets and barely recognizable. he's homeless. the people who are apolitical have an excuse for being shocked. but what about the democrats in the media who are saying they are shocked and panicking? they are trying to play america. these are the slimy a-holes who told us biden was as sharp as a tack and now they are kind of saying this might be a one-off night. no, i recognize that biden. i saw that biden every single day. people are obsessed over the 2024 election. what about the time between now and then? we don't have a president, we know this, but now so does the world. so do our enemies. you've got the media. they act like a guy waking up from an acid trip in the forest without their clothes on. what just happened. were they delusional all along or is this a plan? force joe out by exposing the pain already to the world well before the dnc so they could get him replaced. we can't allow our country to be this exposed to outside forces. now that the world and our adversaries see that we are without a leader. but it makes you wonder. we didn't have a leader for a long time. we keep saying this is unfair and cruel to joe biden. it's actually unfair and cruel to the american people to put us through that. it was done by people whose hatred of trump takes priority of love for country. this isn't a review of the debate. it's an autopsy. >> dana: judge jeanine, tell us what you think about all this. we have a whole hour. >> judge jeanine: there is so much to say. it i thought tom friedman's comment from "the new york times" was interesting when he said he urges the commander-in-chief to put the nation's interests first by not seeking reelection. for so many years we've been listening to the fact that you know it's all about donald trump. he doesn't care about us. he puts himself first. well, tom friedman just in capsulized the whole thing. tom friedman is saying joe biden, you're putting yourself first in front of the american people because as commander in chief you have no place being in the white house or in the oval office. so i thought that was very compelling. i also thought what was compelling was the fact we've been talking all week about the hanger and the eight days or seven days in the 16 advisors. you mean to tell me they didn't see this? this is a debate that joe biden put all the barriers around. he said he wanted it at cnn. they decide what the rules were. donald trump just came in at the end and said "i'll do it anywhere." joe biden knew this and he still was that bad. that's after all the stuff that he went through to prepare him. and third, joe biden says "i know how to tell the truth." you know what, he lied. i am sick and tired of hearing all day about how donald trump lied. he lied when he said no americans died under his watch. that was an insult to the families of the 13 who were killed in afghanistan and three after that in jordan. and then when he said the border patrol, they endorsed me. border patrol immediately put out we didn't endorse joe biden and we never will. i'm kind of tired of hearing about joe biden coming out saint donald trump lied the whole night. today we saw him. it's like the guy got spray tan. he is a different guy. he can read a speech. >> dana: how did his cold go away so fast? >> judge jeanine: i guess it wasn't a cold. >> dana: this justin. bill clinton. you've been waiting for this all day. bill clinton has posted this said he's going to leave the debate to the pundits. here's when he knows. facts and history matter. joe biden has given us three years of solid leadership, steadying us after the pandemic, creating a record number of new jobs, making real progress, solving the climate crisis and launching a successful effort in reducing inflation all while pulling us out of the quagmire donald trump left us in. that's what's really at stake in november. that took him a long time to write that today. that's a long time to get a statement out. harold ford jr. paid >> harold: good to be here. this was an opportunity for joe biden who asked for the debate, to do two things. to mitigate concerns about age which are associated with that concerns about mental and physical acuity. and then two, to try to convey again this conversation with the country in a broadway. i hear everything greg said and i agree. we are investing in these conversations and learning about this and talking about it and having a great conversation that the country enjoys. at least the ratings suggest that. we enjoy. a chance to convey to millions of people who don't see elvis what he wanted to do. he felt. he failed miserably. he didn't convey that donald trump is unfit for office and in fact he conveyed in some ways that he may not be fit for the office. received bill clinton president obama say he's a good man. joe biden is a good man. he's done a lot and accomplish a lot. he has. a lot of investments, jobs. donald trump why thought had a decent night had a better night because of the way joe biden performed. to see there's a lot at stake in the election. if we as a party are content with the next three or four months will we saw last night, then we should all stand down. but i'm one that believes that the father of a 10-year-old and a 9-year-old, we have a difference of opinion about the presidential race, my friends around the table. that's fine. the priorities that we share, the reason i share what i shared last night that the president, the third thing he wanted to do, biden, to quiet the talk about him being replaced, he didn't do that. as we go through the day, we shouldn't kid ourselves. we should be open-minded, serious and honest about the options that we have before us. and we should be content or resolved if we decide we are going to go forward with joe biden, then everyone should understand what can happen after what happened last night. i'm hopeful and prayerful that we are serious about this decision of the next several days. >> dana: jesse, i feel that we at this table are little bit under playing the democrats' reaction to this because it was full-blown panic and immunity -- mutiny, excuse me. i've got immunity on the brain. the supreme court. mutiny from supporters of him and we are going to talk about the next block. we are acting like bill clinton and obama are making decisions here. definitely the party faithful were saying oh, no, this is never going to work. >> jesse: i am hearing rumors about this guy being the nominee. i have harold. i am stirring those rumors myself. i was driving jesse jr. to camp and he said dad, why did the deep state try to invoke the 25th amendment against donald trump last night was clearly cogent but they have not invoked it against joe biden. i said son, you're asking the right questions. and then he spilled his milk all over the car seat. my mom calls afterwards. i said hello. didn't brag, didn't gloat. i said get ready for the dictatorship. maybe it's not what you expect in your last twilight years but democracy is pretty much over with, come on. we've had enough. we got upstairs around 9:01 and missed the first minute and i see biden and it was like, the nixon-kennedy. i'm saying that sound smart. it wasn't alive. but you see the face and you see trump's face and you think he's going to lose in the minute he opens his mouth, he's really going to lose. sounds like he got punched in the breadbasket. minute 12 you get this total breakdown and then he comes up and says, "i defeated medicare." johnny jumps out of his seat. [cackling] i'm trying to calm him down. what balls do you want to go to during the inauguration? and then they go to abortion. okay, this is where i'm going to get a little nervous. trump fights to a draw on abortion by talking about partial-birth. and then he fights to a draw on jan 6. if biden can't do that, he can't do anything. then they spend 20 minutes calling each other the worst president in history. and then trump has to defend about 16 hoaxes. bloodbath, fine people. he was getting a little in the weeds but then he anchors every question to immigration. while joe is just regurgitating memorized wonky statistics and can't articulate it. so then i come down. i'm doing the post show. i see this guy, harold ford jr. looks as white as a ghost. never seen harold so white. it's because he watched a ghost for 90 minutes become translucent and fade from the horse race. the debate, virginia it was in play. before the debate, minnesota was in play. i just saw a poll where trump is up in new jersey. think about what's coming up because i don't see how this changes. you're going to get followed for the next week. great trump fund raising. great poll numbers and then you're going to get the rnc convention which is going to build so much momentum going into august. how is joe biden going to stop that momentum? he's going to have a really discombobulated convention and everyone is going to be fighting and then his son is getting sentenced for gun charges. then they start a six week tax trial which points right to the big guy. i don't know what's going happen but if barack and bill say this is it, this is the guy, he might just be in it to lose it. >> dana: i stopped taking notes at 9:17. i think i'm good. i sat back and watched all these great posts. >> harold: you were asked on the set at 9:00, right before, you were spot on. i give you credit. >> jesse: thank you very much. >> dana: the polls might not change right away. you might be right. up next, so much for cheap fakes. the media accused of lying to americans about president biden's mental state. ♪ ♪ i was born to live in the limelight. but psoriasis kept me in the shadows. until i got clearer skin with bimzelx. most people got 100% clear skin. some after the first dose. serious side effects, including suicidal thoughts and behavior, infections and lowered ability to fight them, liver problems, and inflammatory bowel disease, have occurred. tell your doctor if these happen or worsen, or if you've had a vaccine or plan to. 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[laughter] >> greg: you know what this is, this is the reverse of the boy who cried wolf because in this case. the boy is actually seeing a wolf, watching it killed the neighbors pets, and everybody's making fun of him until the wolf kills the gentle little old lady on the corner. making a pie. on the windowsill. again, i said this earlier. gaslighting one person makes that one person feel crazy but when you gaslight a bunch of people and makes the gaslight or look crazy. pretty good, huh? how often do you get a hoax debunked before 50 million people. what we saw was one of the greatest hoaxes of all time, that joe biden was mentally fit. it got completely blown out of the water to everybody. the debunking of the biden hoax opens her eyes, your ears and your mind to the overwhelming possibility that they are lying to you about everything. we are starting to see the pattern. jan 6, the fine people hoax. covid, dei, immigration, inflation. the curtain has gotten pulled back and that she fake was the democrat media machine. i go back to the question i posed everyday last week. if trump is an existential threat, why are you pitting the weakest, frail list candidate in history against him. that question was posed last night on every show. there's more to this than we know. they tried to hide his health and it raises the question, what else are they hiding? what else would be willing to hide? >> judge jeanine: dana, you reacted when joe and mika were arguing. seems like they are in a tizzy over this and taking it out on each other. >> dana: peter and i don't work together possibly for a reason. if he and i worked together and he said that demand television, i would have gotten out my white house voice. nobody hears her that but it's a good voice. if you want to get some stuff done. you can get mad at politicians. but if you think they are lying to you, you'll never get them back. selena zito on a special edition of the podcast i did today saying she was watching with georgia voters, all undecided. she said none of them walked away saying that they are voting for biden. she said the majority of them are like "i'm going to have to vote for trump." they were practical that they don't like their choices. but this is the choice they've been given. the thing that makes me mad, think about the white house press secretary telling everybody that joe biden runs circles around her behind the scenes at the white house. think about how they recently surrounded the president with people so you couldn't see him walking to marine one. thankfully they stopped him from trying to answer questions from the press, shouted at him over the helicopter. you could not hear him. if you did hear him, he only gives one word answers. do you -- no, yes, no pay last night was the first time that 50 million people for a long time have seen him actually give answers. the justice department, they are refusing to release the audio of the robert hur interview, special prosecutor interview. now we can imagine. we can assume why. all of us could assume why but now everybody knows why. numerous ice and had won the best tweets last night, it's funny but not funny. boomer esiason said "are we getting invaded tomorrow," these people that said "the wall street journal," last night had 45 sources that so that they were lying on these anonymous sources but that story was well sourced. fox news was -- these people were taxpayer-funded and not telling us the truth and everybody can see it themselves. you can mad for student aid load forgiveness but when you realize they been lying to you, you cannot get past it. >> judge jeanine: chuck todd admits that the cheap fake excuse narrative was bogus. they were going after each ot other. karine jean-pierre is a cheap fake. chuck todd is saying that that's a lie. >> jesse: biden is a cheap fix, a hoax, this whole presidency is a cover up. the people saying he had a bad night. he didn't have a bad night. he's had a bad presidency. if you say he's had a bad night you're just saying that because the cover-up has been exposed because everybody in the country saw it. think about what the media, not only what he's done to the country, what are they done to the democratic party. they put the democratic party in such a bad position now. if they were honest and skeptical, this would have never gotten to this point. he would've asked these tough questions and demanded access but now, on the eve of the convention and now this guy blew himself up and they're all worried. i don't feel sorry for him. i feel sorry, like greg said, for us. >> greg: i feel sorry for you. >> jesse: thank you. for other reasons. you brought this up, everybody in the world knows trump is going to be present. china, russia, everybody knows the bad boy's back. they are going to make moves in the next seven months. they know they're going to have problems in inauguration january to put a stop to the war in ukraine, the mideast, he's going to crack down on the border, cartels, china. who knows what they are going to try when they know this guys there. also if you're young and this is may be your first or second election, how are you ever going to trust the media again question when they lied about covid, they lied about russia, russia, russia. they lied about "mostly peaceful." a fire holes of lies. i would never be a democrat. >> judge jeanine: people in the white house who prepared him, they are now all pointing the fingers at each other. you know, the article on axios' headset if you didn't agree with the main group and the white house, you'd be exiled. who's going to be exiled now? season i don't know, i read those articles as well. let me say, i think my answer will encapsulates with this. the fact that we are talking the way we are talking this afternoon and people have been talking all day. the other networks, there has been pundits on those networks who are saying the things we are saying. the conversation between mika and joe was an honest and fair one. joe took the position that this was not a good night. this could be a pro