>> jesse: very special edition. fox news alert ♪ >> jesse: the stage is set and we're less than two hours away first presidential debate of the year. these two men hate each other. but hate will not win the debate. the lincoln douglas debates counted seven in total lasting over 21 hours. while the distinguished doug's also a hurled insults claiming that lincoln's radicalism destroy the union. the republicans respondent responded with whit which propelled him to the presidency where he saved the union. the kennedy nixon debate changed the way americans chose their president. kennedy was a long shot playboy mismatched against the two term v.p. as soon as the camera lights came on, kennedy's tan youthful complex fitted in a well-tailored suit with perfect posture looked presidential while nixon, still recovering from a bought of the flu and a banged up knee, appeared sweaty and pale and a poorly fitted gray suit, no makeup. 5:00 shadow. kennedy's charm was key. lincoln's calm story-telling key. and history has a way of repeating itself. very soon donald trump and joe biden will square off at cnn's presidential debate in what's the most consequential debate since. the nation is watching to see if joe biden has what it takes for 90 minutes and whether donald trump has the discipline to calmly tell the story about life in america under two presidents. democrats say this election is about the most important election of our life times. donald trump would be a dictator for life. now we don't even really know if they believe that but we know this. democrats are on the brink of a full progressive takeover of america. four more years under joe biden and kamala harris. many believe would cripple our sovereignty. our finances and our culture. donald trump believes joe biden is an incompetent and ignorant lifelong politician who is controlled by the extreme left and mismanaged the country into bolivian with open borders, inflation, and a stark deterioration in the quality of life. the former president is leading joe biden the majority of the national polls and is beating him in every single battleground, sand now wiped out biden's cash advantage. election markets say trump has a two to one chance of winning. which is why joe biden needed to change the momentum and threw down this early debate challenge. there's more pressure on biden tonight than trump. but the exceptions for biden are lower. he set those exceptions pretty low himself with his public performances and erratic speaking capabilities. but the media has played into the exceptions game, too. on the right and on the left. a good night for biden is hanging in there. throwing mud at trump and showing his base that he still has a pulse. trump a good night, he remains calm, charming and disarming and keeps the focus away from himself and on you, the american people. we expect a few jokes, colorful language good stories, some insults, perhaps some rambunctiousness with the moderators, the facts are on trump's side. if he can deliver those in a persuasive way, can he put biden away early. douglas brinkley is the presidential historian. how do you see historically the significance of this debate tonight? >> i think it's really important. i mean, you mention the kennedy-nixon back then. i mean and you said how sweaty nixon was and had the flu. nixon didn't even debate in '68 and he won. he refused to debate in '72 and he won. it's not always good to be forced into a debate. i was surprised that donald trump wanted to enter the arena this early. i think biden is the one that doesn't have momentum right now. and needs some; however, biden, i think, is going to be able to as the worry for biden is that he has those al gore moments where he seems to be sighing or rolling his eyes. trump's downside is if he seeming t ardent. it's about modification on both sides. >> jesse: it really is. you say trump may have been jammed into accepting this early debate challenge. after saying i will debate joe biden any time, anywhere, was he stuck? could he have then said well, wait a minute say a second is you are going to make us debate in june with cnn? no. could he have pulled that off. >> i think he could have pulled it off. nobody would have demanded a june debate. cnn has been the enemy for trump. he has played off of that relationship so he could say this is not a realistic proposal. but i think his sense of machoism or sense of i threw the gauntlet down and i don't want to back off perhaps got the better of him. however, if he does what he does and controls the stage, which he can do, biden seems to fumble the momentum for trump will keep going. i mean, desired effect, fundraising for both and then it's going to hit the spin rooms and we will see who wins not just the debate but the spin of the debate. >> jesse: trump is positioned for an early knockout in this election. if he does well. and then could carry that momentum into the rnc. and then really run up a lead. what if biden doesn't perform even up to these low section exceptions? >> biden would have to do something so atrocious not to be the democratic nominee. >> jesse: okay. >> they're locked in. biden harris. if something strange happened, maybe. this will be the last window because, we are rolling fast in august here. >> jesse: what if biden does well and is he high energy, big tempo and he gets a few shots in, and the media spins it as a big win. does this really changes the way the american people feel about the biden president after all of these years of inflation, of open borders, of chaos. are they going to say well he really made great points on the economy tonight. i'm really going to give him another look? >> i don't know about the american people, but it will help the democrats calm down. if biden can do what they felt he did at the state of the union, and do a kind of a good solid whatever -- then they will say he is the nominee. >> jesse: okay. >> there is still this anxiety maybe at the last minute we have to have a sw sw swish a radio. >> i haven't felt this i'm not going to say nervous because i'm not usually nervous. i might have had bad milk earlier. i feel the intensity about this debate. do you feel it. >> i do. you have for the first time a sitting president and ex-president. animosity towards each other sky high. >> jesse: are they going to shake hands? >> i think they have to shake hands. they may be asked that question what do you like about the other person? >> jesse: i hate that question. >> i don't think that will fly. i don't think anybody is going to do a fall answer on that. >> jesse: do you see the moderator jake tapper and dana bash making themselves a part of this debate? if they do that will be garbage. >> i don't think they will. they have to prove that they are fair brokers. now, it's going to get dissected. at some point they are going to pivot and double down on somebody if trump does badly he will resort to the fake news, i was set up kind of bit. if biden does badly then he doesn't have that excuse. so, i find there is more pressure on biden than trump and hence why biden has been spending so much time preparing at camp david and both of them, i think, have some jokes as you said or one liners in the end my kids tiktok generation. they are going to look at the lumsy moment the awkward moment or the punch as much as we all say we want to have this highfalutin debate there is a hunger for at least a couple of mudslinging scenarios. >> jesse: of course and if a fly lands on someone's heads, of course there is that. >> thank you so much for joining us. >> thank you, jesse. >> jesse: biden spent the week practices zingers and carving up la zan i can't. aside from 16 camp counselors no one has seen or heard from the president since. democrats don't know what to expect tonight. obama world and clinton world have been rushing to the media to feed joe talking points. and you can just kind of feel the bed-wetting a little. the jitters even hitting close to home. >> so on my way to atlanta, you probably have heard, you know, about the debate. i had to turn the tv off. i couldn't take it -- i couldn't take it anymore. so, you know, i just have to thank you for your support. >> jesse: michaelah rosa a former press secretary for first lady jill biden a democrat. he joins us now. 16 advisers taking a week off to prep at camp david, memorize lines and rest. why does he need so much prep? >> well, i truly don't think he does i think it was what he was prepping for. look, he has been debates than any candidate in history. run circles on anybody on policy and substance and the records can you impair and assimilate to expect the unexpected? what does that feel like? what does that sound like? what does that look like? and that's what he is not used to. so, if signature, i hope that time was spent preparing creatively, 16 advisers, yeah, a little over the top i only listens to two or three anyway jess i only listen to two of my producers, the rest of them over my head. mike, again, you are saying he is the best debater ever. the most experienced living debater in america right now. he has done more. is he more experienced and you say he is good. you say he is really good. he has debated trump twice he knows what trump is about. again, if you know your record i'm sure is he familiar and remember trump's record. what are they drilling into his head, exactly? >> >> well, hopefully is he preparing to, you know, counter punch, he is showing, practicing his delivery. i don't think it's more about like the record. i mean, i think, look, he is going to defend his record. hopefully is he prepared to counter punch donald trump, because donald trump is a great counter puncher. he should be prepared for that he is going to have to be doing the fact-checking. >> jesse: stays nimble, working on his hand speed and movement and reaction time? >> yeah. you nailed it in your entry. this is all cosmetic for biden, the biggest test for the president is all presentation. he needs to show he is agile. he needs to show is he nimble, he needs to show strength. and he needs to show that he can contextualize where we were four years ago. what he inherited and where we are now. >> jesse: are you satisfied with the biden campaign where it stands now? your guy is down. >> i don't think anybody is satisfied right now. look. after the first debate four years ago, we knew, we saw the data move. we saw it change. we knew we wanted to debate. we knew we were probably going to win. the mood of the country is very different now. and there's a lot riding on tonight. there is a lot of pressure on the president. he does have to pull away at some point within polling in data in the states to show that he can win this race. and, look, i don't think anybody is comfortable. it's a coin flip. right? >> jesse: it doesn't look like jill biden is very comfortable. she couldn't even watch the tv conch. how do you think she is processing this? >> you know, i have seen her on debate days. i have seen her on -- i was in the debate room with her four years ago. she-she is pretty subdued. i'm surprised to see her campaigning today. she is usually pretty subdued. you are married. she is nervous for him. she-when he is attacked she feels the heat and hurt of that. lived through this is probably her 15th campaign. i think the stakes and the pressure on that campaign, on this candidate is palpable. i'm sure she is feeling it. >> jesse: yeah, i mean, i'll feeling it and he is not even my guy, i'm feeling the intense city in the air. i'm sure you saw the axios report about michelle obama not going to campaign for joe biden. doesn't really like the way the family handled the hunter, kathleen deal. and how do you guys feel about that? how do you think the first lady feels? >> >> she views these things through the prism of being hunter's mother. kathleen was a dear friend, is a dear friend of mrs. obama. you know, families are complicated. families split. you know, her loyalty is always to her son. and as any mother's loyalty should be. look, they adore the obamas. i saw in that report there was anita dunn citing a meeting with michelle obama's chief strategist. i have a feeling that the time is coming where, you know, you will see news flashes on, you know, when she is going to be speaking at the convention or how many days she will be campaigning, probably as a result now because of this article, but she spoke for us last time. she didn't campaign for us. but i think she is one of the biggest stars in the democratic party, so hopefully she does. >> jesse: all right. mike, thank you so much. i would like to say good luck but. >> thanks for having me. >> jesse: i don't really mean it but good luck. >> thanks, jesse. good luck. >> jesse: all right. the trump family is here. and johnny,. >> pretend you're joe biden. you get on that debate stage. the first thing you're telling trump. >> skippedy bob, scooby-doo. into the things that keep our food fresher, our families safer, and our planet cleaner. to help us get there, america's plastic makers are investing billions of dollars to create innovative products and new recycling technologies for sustainable change. because when you push for smarter solutions, big things can happen. - [narrator] life with ear ringing sounded like a constant train whistle i couldn't escape. then i started taking lipo flavonoid. with 60 years of clinical experience, it's the number one doctor recommended brand for ear ringing. and now i'm finally free. take back control with lipo flavonoid. - so abraham lincoln once said, "don't believe everything you read on the internet." oh, i see what they did there. misinformation online is real, and so are its negative and harmful effects. stay smart. the more you know. >> jesse: one of the most controversial neither tonight's cnn presidential debate is the new mute button that will cut off anybody trying to speak when it's not their turn. how will this play out between two candidates who hate each other? cnn gave us a little preview. >> now i want to give you a sense of what it will look like for viewers at home if a candidate whose microphone is off interrupts a candidate whose microphone is on. i am standing at one podium. i will ask phil to come in and take the other podium. let's say i'm answering a question. my light is green and i'm speaking. phil's microphone is on and his green lights are n not illuminated. he is going to interrupt me while when i'm speaking aened this will sound like. phil's muted and difficult to understand. >> jesse: not breaking news so you will probably be able to hear him through biden's mic. the media loves the idea of anything that gives them more he control over the former president. >> the candidate's microphone will be turned off if it's not their term to speak. it may prevent exchanges. >> this kind of debate is what the biden campaign wanted. >> we didn't have to have these rules before trump. none of these were rules before trump. >> the muted microphone can certainly work as it did last time and help out. >> that should be called the trump rule that rule was obviously written to try to keep donald trump under the kind of control that all presidential debaters before him have been capable of imposing on themselves. >> but some think these new mics don't go far enough. >> this idea that their sound that when trump keeps talking his mic is shut, that's not enough. because joe biden can still hear him. >> yeah. >> yeah. >> like where you are to me. you keep yammering i can still hear you. they need to be in quiz show isolation booths. >> jesse: will this technology backfire on the media-backed candidate? joe is already a soft talking mumbler a muted mic makes biden look worse if he tries to speak out of turns. you know the moderators are no fans of trump. can they be unbiased when it matters the most? don't worry biden's favorite morning show thinks they will do a great job. >> i don't think that jake tapper and dana bash are planning to be hostile. i think they want a fair debate. i'm sure they will be elegant and fair and try their best to ask donald trump and this is his worst nightmare basic questions. >> jake tapper and dana bash are two of the best we have in our business. >> jesse: i can think of a few others but the rest of the media seems ready to pownsz on cnn if the debate backfires and gives trump a bigger edge. "the washington post" says if things go wrong. this debate could break cnn. but it might already be too late, the network is blocking the white house press pool from having any neutral reporters inside the studio during the debate. any shenanigans that might happen off camera or in a commercial break will be completely hidden from the american people. bret baier is the anchor and executive editor of spocialg report and dana perino is the co-anchor of "america's newsroom" and on "the five." they both are here. ladies first. mute button scandal see how it goes: say something similar this maybe this will be fine. it will work out great it. could be a disaster. we don't know. i think that joy behar made a really good point that might be the first time i have ever said that is because if they have muted the microphones but i'm sitting here and you are heckling me. i can still hear you but they can't hear you so i'm not exactly sure how that's going to go. we will see. i also think that the cnn decision to not allow the white house press pool is a terrible decision and they should reverse it right now. >> jesse: i want to ask you about the press pool. right now if trump is not yelling but is countering joe biden and is he muted, and joe can hear him even though we can't, it might make trump not look very disciplined but it could rattle joe. do you agree? >> well, yeah, i mean, they are not far apart. it's not miles here. can you hear them, judge jeanine said it was a tsa video it. really was like that in that example that cnn showed. i do think it could factor in. but it also might have the reverse effect to make former president trump really stick to, you know, the rules. and sometimes that might be a benefit for him. we'll see. i do think the white house decision on the press pool is a big deal. it's just one person speaking for everybody to know what happens behind the scenes. if you don't have that person, you know, we only see what happens on the camera, not in between the breaks, not what happens with different people's facial expressions. you really do need that. >> jesse: biden could give trump the finger in the commercial break and we would have no idea. we need those answers. >> bret: we do. >> jesse: we deserve those answers. >> bret: by the way a couple other controversies, one is floating around that cnn has a two-minute delay and delay this two minutes so they can do edits. cnn took that and put out a statement, felt it was serious enough to say we are not doing a two minute delay. we are starting at 9:00. listen, i think there is a lot of pressure on jake and danna. they have a lot of pressure to try to be fair. the best moderators ever for debates are like jim lair step back and are not a part of the action. they be not a part of it. they toss it but they let the actual candidates debate the issues. >> dana: worst thing for me moderator would be for me in the headlines next day. i would never want that. >> jesse: you don't want any headlines the next day. >> as a moderator, no. >> you are trying to have a soft touch tonight? you don't think they are going to inviewed at all. >> i'm saying that's how i would do it. >> bret: the best ones. >> jesse: beones in the busines. how much pressure is on cnn tonight? >> dana: a lot. 73% of the country likely to watch tonight. earliest presidential debate we have ever had. we are scheduled to have another one september 10th on abc. i hope that happens. i hope there are more. the american people are hungry for some actual substance about what these two people would do going forward. they are frustrated with the biden's record for sure. and they have some nostalgia. they are thinking back to the trump era and saying well, i made $8 for this sandwich back then. paying $14 now and i'm doing that every day on every expense. they want to know how you can get back to $8. >> jesse: what if the first question is are you going to accept the results of the election? next question? abortion. next question, global warming. and you're thinking to myself they are not talking about the economy and we're already 45 minutes in? >> bret: well, then that will be a big whiff that will be a big problem. i think they will do everything they can to do exactly the opposite. >> jesse: i hope. >> dana: headlines tomorrow if that happens. >> jesse: so there is no delay. there is going to be muted mics. >> bret: that's what they say we don't have a reporter in the room. >> jesse: don't have peter doocy. there is no crowd. they have trump proved this debate. it's all really set up for a biden win. >> dana: well, i think that you know that biden wanted and needed this debate because he has been really dragging in the polls. and, yet, the biden team runs as if they are five points ahead instead of four to five points behind. >> bret: i will say this the former president decided to say yes to everything. i think he was fearful if he said no to any little thing they would say oh he doesn't want to do it and pull out. now they are debating. they are both showing up. this is happening. and can you see it right here on fox. >> jesse: i'm so excited. i can't even control myself. what time is it? >> dana: i'm excited to have you sitting with us. bret et yes. >> jesse: the whole time? i can't wait part of the panel. >> bret: election machine. >> jesse: thank you so much. see you soon. eric trump gives us inside look at his dad's strategy. that's next. ♪ for my family? i'm going to have to get two jobs. thomas kennedy, he was a major in the u.s. army. tom loved hockey. he went to west point, to play hockey. and ended up falling in love with the army. he was a father. he was, a great husband, he would give you a shirt off of his back for you. in 2012, tom was deployed to afghanistan. he was on his way to a provincial governor's meeting, tom was killed by a suicide bomber. when the bomb went off, tom was in a group of four that were, killed in the incident. the morning i found out. our world has just been upended. you know, with not having tom around to be here in our everyday life, my sister moved in with us, and she helped me with the day to day life of raising, two year old twins. in 2018 i was diagnosed with breast cancer. kind of threw a wrench in to what we had established as our, our daily life and our new normal. my mother-in-law had told me about tunnel to towers. and when i found out that i was selected to have my mortgage paid off, you know, it seemed like i had won the lottery. today, we welcome the kennedy family into their mortgage free home. the timing was just incredible. with everything that i'm going through with my treatments for metastatic breast cancer. having our biggest bill being taken care of by tunnel to towers, i'm able to on my children and my health. people should give to tunnel to towers, because it really helps family members of fallen service members know, first responders who they wake up one day and it's a normal day and then their world can just be turned upside down. to know that there is an organization that can step in irreplaceable. please contribute $11 a month. to help families like mine please visit t2t dot org. ♪ >> jesse: it wouldn't be debate night if we weren't getting flooded with hoaxes and smears. while he was sleeping in cooking up hoaxes in the lab. deploying them on every channel first thing this morning. first one, trump might skip the debate. >> i think that the trump team is playing games that we have always seen them do. use debates as entertainment process. complain about debates sometimes skip out on debates. the president will be there tonight. we still assume that donald trump will be there as well o. look the fact of the matter is they play these games they know on the issues that matter most to the american people donald trump is a loser, right? >> jesse: trump is not playing hooky. he has been dreaming about this day since 2020. the hooky hoax was just the app. advertiser. the real hoax much bigger. the manifesto hoax. ready? biden highlighted a 900 page report that he says this is trump's plan if he wins. it's not. they call it project 2025. they say trump will terminate the constitution, ban abortions nationwide, and defund the police. that's not his policy at all. but it doesn't matter. bind will use it as a weapon tonight to tell millions of voters trump is a dictator. is trump ready? eric trump is ready. he is the executive vice president of the trump organization. so, if he just hammers your dad, oh, genocidal dictator, twice impeached, convicted felon, inject bleach. what's your dad going to say? >> if i was a failure that joe biden was do the exact same thing. can't talk about economy. can't talk about peace around the world. is he destabilized the entire world. the entire middle east. he is being laughed at by every foreign leader. our people, our citizens can't buy groceries, they can't afford anything. gas prices are absolutely through the roof. none of his policies make any sense. we have spent more time, you know, focusing on men my size swimming in women's sports than we have our economy and our world standing and, you know, the value of our dollar and continuing to be the world's best super power. so, yeah. listen, i would probably go on those tangents as well. by the way tell you everything you need to know a guy locks limbself at camp david for 10 days because he has to rehearse lines because his policies are so bad that he has to figure out a way to spin them, figure out a way to sugar coat them. my father has been all over the place. campaigning every single day. working his butt off. he is going to have a great night. self-totally in the mood for this and he is going to have an amazing night. >> jesse: we just had a democrat on he is not memorizing. he is working on counters punching because your dad is so unpredict being. he doesn't know what your dad is going to do. he doesn't know how to react. is he going to be calm? is he going to be craze? that's what he he is preparing forever harvard to prepare for chaos. >> can i ask you the obvious question? who is running this one dry? who is representing 340. who is representing 340 million people? that's why the world is laughing at us. i came back from overseas. everybody is laughing at our president. it's not funny. you know, he shouldn't be at camp david for 10 days doing. this if he was such a sound politician, you know, did obama spend 10 days at camp david before a debate? did bush spend 150 days at camp david before a debate? of course not. they were competent people who could actually get a incidence out without muttering and this guy can't. that's why he is resting, and, you know, it's awfully sad. you want somebody who can run this nation and be a great leader and represent the country. all of them both sides of the aisle well. this guy can't do it. again, i think my father is going to have an amazing night. is he totally in the mood and in the zone. he came off that plane looking good. i could tell. i think that's a look that maybe only a son can truly see came off looking strong and he is going to do great tonight. >> what was that look? you said you have seen that before? when else have you seen that look? >> during a lot of debates to tell you the truth. stunts where he just had a certain glow. he came off that plane tonight. he is in the zone. is he going to do great. listen, the entire country is rooting for him, jesse. the entire country understands the sham that we have right now. this nation is hind him. this nation loves him. i think you are going to have record, record viewership tonight. they want to seat best for this nation. they want to see the best for our flag and our country. and he is going to win in november. >> jesse: are you satisfied with the debate, muted mics, no audience, the fact we are doing this in june. i know he threw down the challenge and your dad accepted it like that. could he have said no, let's wait, let's do it another time or he was just hungry to do it? >> i mean, i give the guy credit. jake tapper has compared my father to hitler before. it took my father less than one second to accept the debate. he said any time, any place, anywhere. i will go. so it doesn't matter if it's on cnn with a guy who absolutely hates my father. it doesn't matter -- a biden wanted to sit this debate. those are my father's only condition we are not sitting. we are going to stand. see if he can make it through the 90 minutes standing, joe. other than that, you pick the podium you want. you pick the questions. no different than what happened with hillary clinton in 2016 with donna brazile. they probably gave the guy the questions already. i'm that much of a cynic of the process. if you wanted it to be cnn and with a trump hater, go ahead. i will stop on that stage any time any place anywhere. and, you know, he showed up. he showed up under all of their conditions. and he is incredibly brave for doing so. i can tell you not many people would have done that. >> eric testified he has the look in his eye. we seal how that translates in about an hour and 20. eric, thanks for joining us. >> thanks, jesse. >> jesse: will trump and biden shake hands? 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>> dignity. >> substance. >> civil. inflation the border is a concern. >> definitely fight. want them to get their fist out. a little bit. why not in the debate is going to be on cnn, do you think it's going to be a fair debate. >> cnn kicked trump's spokeswoman. >> hitler it's inappropriate. joe biden took the whole week off to prepare. >> where did he go, connecticut? >> that's one of those aarp issues. >> he deserves it. >> do you know how is he practicing? >> i'm not sure. >> he is practicing standing up. >> oh my gosh. oh my gosh. >> aren't you embarrassed? >> what advice would you give donald trump and joe biden? >> take your vitamins early in the morning, gentlemen. >> mr. trump, keep your rants in check and address the issues. >> joe biden keep practicing standing will let trump have the win because this country needs it badly. >> biden, please be focused. >> >> what's focused? ha ha ha. >> cnn is muting the mic of the other guy talking is that good thing. >> somebody saying the wrong thing you should jump in. >> begin to interrupt each ot other. >> i don't care how many, nobody is taking over my mic, nobody. >> donald trump wants joe biden to take a drug test should did he do it. >> for what? viagra. >> marijuana is legal by the way. >> like fine i will do it. why the hell would i take a test? come on, man. >> if you were donald trump, when you get on debate stage with joe biden, what would be the first thing you tell joe? >> you are an idiot. >> good morning, sleepy joe. >> joe biden, you need to drink some more water because your brain is dissolving, being exhausted. >> joe, you are fired. >> crooked joe, you're fired! get out of here. >> pretend you are joe biden, get on that debated stage, what's the first thing you are telling trump? >> skippedy bop scooby-doo. >> i would shake his hands. >> he will need practice in shaking hands, too. >> yeah. ♪ >> help me, like actually help. he can't do anything, he needs help. >> i need help. i need help. >> who are you voting for? >> biden. >> definitely joe biden. >> donald trump. >> donald trump. >> donald trump all the way. >> i'm voting for the anti-christ. >> i knew this was going to happen. who is that? trump is a racist. fox news is going to be sim mull casting and jesse on at 7:00 will you be watching. >> yes i will watch it on fox. it's more fun. >> watters, this is my world. one hour to go until joe biden and trump take the stage in tonight's debate. we know there isn't any love loss. will there even be a handshake? >> do you think that president biden should call donald trump a convicted felon on stage tonight? he has before. if it walks like a duck, quacks like a duck he is a duck. is he a convicted felon. that's what he is. >> should president biden shake donald trump's hand? does he deserve that? >> that's up to president biden. and i'm sure there's no love loss there. i wouldn't shake his hand. >> jesse: fox news contributor charlie hurt and white house press secretary kayleigh mcenany joins me now. kayleigh, what happens if they do go to shake and trump just goes like that? that would be nice. >> i don't think either guy would do that i was trying to remember back because i was at both presidential debates with trump. did they shake hands? i don't think they did because of covid. so this may be like that first test if they do shake hands. >> i don't think either man should refuse it. it's a bad look. not a good way to start. that is totally wrong about leaning in on the convicted felon language. if biden wants to quit his day job and become the biggest fundraiser for donald trump, lean in to convicted felon. i know his campaign is doing it. if he does that tonight, jesse, it would be a real folly and downfall, i think, not a good look. >> jesse: i don't know, charlie, can you shake the hand of a guy who is trying to throw you in prison for the rest of your life. i might go in and go boom right there in the mid section. [laughter] >> charlie: literally thinks you're hitler. because i think everybody agrees on what you are supposed to do if you meet hitler before hitler became hitler. it's kind of insane. the idea that casey hunt is sitting there acting like basically a campaign adviser and goading cedric richmond into calling him a felon and trying to stir up this notion that joe biden would even dame to shake his hand. it really does tell you where cnn is coming from in this debate. >> jesse: kayleigh, looking live at the spin room here. how effective is this? you get these guys out there right after the whistle is over. my guy sucks, your guy is the worst, da da da da'da. does that actually manipulate the news the next day? >> kayleigh: it does. it's interesting when you look at the who is there trump has the best surrogates. tim scott, doug burgum, vivek ramaswamy, they are trying out for the v.p. spot. he biden jazmine crocket the one on the house floor arguing about physical appearance and eye lashes with marjorie taylor greene. keisha lance bottoms, an interesting group he has brought. he has brought some fighters. i will put my money on vivek than jazmine. >> you just need deniro in the spin room. yell at everybody, drop f bombs. charlie, who do you see in there? is newsom in there? i thought i saw someone who was very handsome looking. maybe it was you? >> earlier i saw st stacey abra, the original election denier. so, she can go in and go ahead and start denying the next election just like she has denied all the previous elections. but i really love in your interview earlier with eric trump, i love his, the sunniness, the anticipation about the debate, and i love that he pointed out that look, you know, his dad is ready for this thing. even though cnn is probably already given joe biden all the debate questions. >> jesse: kayleigh, we said eric saw a look in his father's eye that only a son knows. he has seen that look in the eye a couple other times before the debate before the state of the unions, have you seen that look before? >> >> kayleigh: yes, i was in a suite with him along with some other advisers, stephen miller, derek, about five of us. it was minutes before we drove off to go to the second debate. he was so calm. he was so serene, we tossed a question he would be like i got this guy, i got this. he was just at peace. total peace. and what eric described, i think is what we saw before that second debate. and that's a good sign of things to come. >> jesse: whenever i'm around stephen miller i feel as tranquil as i have ever felt. that's just the way i feel personally. he just has a calming effect on people. many people feel about miller the opposite, but, for me, miller hits me just right. >> kayleigh: like pepper. >> jesse: guys, very good tonight. charlie, if you see stacey abrams tell her i will read her next romance novel. more "primetime" is next. ♪ you know where we struggle. you know where we need to be pushed. help us give it all to you. the good, the bad. help us turn to you in everything. amen. you should join me in more prayer on hallow. stay prayed up. bass pro shops and cabela's stands tall in our unwavering commitment to honoring our heroes. we extend our gratitude... beyond words... by proudly offering a legendary salute discount to those who protect our freedoms. our dedication to those who selflessly serve us runs deep within our dna. it's not just a discount... it's a commitment to making a difference. because every day is a chance for us to say thank you. bass pro shops and cabela's... your adventure starts here. hi, i'm sally. i'm from phoenix, arizona. i'm a flight nurse on a helicopter that specializes in trauma. i've been doing flight nursing for 24 years. i had a fear that i wouldn't be able to keep up. i wanted all the boost i could get! 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