♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ >> kayleigh: this is "outnumbered." i'm kayleigh mcenany with my cohosts emily compagno and harris faulkner. also joining us "fox & friends" first cohost, carley shimkus, and fox news national correspondent griff jenkins on this gripping week. we are just days away from the first presidential showdown of this election cycle. both president biden and former president trump are finalizing their strategies for thursday's cnn presidential debate, but are prepping for the face-off in two very different ways. president biden is surrounding himself with top official campaign staffers. some from the white house and close allies. you can see their names scrolling. and camp david is sequestered away as he has been for days. meanwhile, former president trump is hitting the campaign trail. he was in philadelphia this past weekend and asked supporters what tactic he should take. >> how should i handle him? should i be tough and nasty? or should i be -- [cheers and applause] -- she said no. should be tough and nasty and say "you are the worst president in history?" or should i be nice and calm and let him speak? [crowd reacting] >> kayleigh: it's funny. i want to start with the moderators, cnn, and something big that happened this morning as they touched off this debate. the national press secretary karoline leavitt who officially works for the campaign -- here's what happened. >> that's why president trump is knowingly going into a hostile environment on this network on cnn with debate moderators who have made their opinions about him very well known over the past eight years in the revised coverage of him. >> if you talk to analysts in debates previous that if you are attacking the moderators, you're usually losing. >> would take someone 5 minutes to google jake tapper/donald trump to see that -- >> we will stop if you are going to keep -- i will stop this interview if you continue to attack my colleagues. i would like -- >> i am stating -- >> -- donald trump who you work for. here in his behalf -- i am stating facts that your colleagues have stated in the past. >> we are going to come back after this panel. >> was she attacking the colleague or stating facts? he was just one of many times jake tapper has gone after president trump. >> the dehumanizing rhetoric of adolf hitler is once again alive and well on a national particle stage, this time given life by former president and current republican president a front runner donald trump. >> kayleigh: harris, we don't know what jake tapper is going to do when he asks those questions. you can go online and see two minute long montages of him attacking the former president. i think the market people deserve honest, forthright, substantive questions to both candidates that are difficult for both to ask. to answer, rather. >> harris: i went to kc hunt's twitter page not long ago. she said this morning "you come on my show, respect my colleagues period. i don't care what side of the aisle you stand on as my track record clearly shows." at that moment was awkward. what we will remember was that it turned into being messy rather than a good conversation with someone who was close to a former president and could be the next president. that's unfortunate. the story became about casey hunt. you want to talk about how to lose the narrative. that's how you lose the narrative. that's unfortunate. what karoline was .2 was the aggression from the liberal and legacy media that we have watched her four years when trump was president. it was aggression. it was -- so on and so forth, without oftentimes a comeback. you are talking but a president who's about to go into a debate with a gag order. the people who speak for him are speaking for him. if you invite them on the show and shut them down, you are further gagging him. i don't really understand the purpose of that, but you get to keep at it. trump is winning this. he is going for indepen -- independents, the black vote, the latino vote. he's getting optics of winning people over. he's actually doing that. let's see if the biden surrogates can keep up and stop talking so much about trump. >> kayleigh: they are different approaches. i watch that rally saturday night. you saw someone having fun, engaging with the crowd. talked about the debate a ton. he think biden who is sequestered -- a ton of aids preparing him -- president trump doesn't think that's happening. here's what he think is happening at camp david. >> so tonight, we will refer to him as sleepy joe, because right now, as you know, there is a reporter that crooked joe has gone to a log cabin to study, prepare. no, he didn't. he is sleeping now. they want to get him good and strong so a little before debate time he gets a shot in the [bleep]. >> kayleigh: pretty colorful. we don't know what's going on in camp david, but he is framing the narrative ahead of the debate. we are not hearing from biden. >> emily: and remove or how the mainstream media framed it, which is that biden is on a mountaintop retreat, they wrote, surrounded by close advisors, poring over briefs, and went on to make it sound like he was in this beautifully intellectual trinity college library, studying up on policy. then they said trump is practicing this, hobnobbing with vice presidential hopefuls. the reality cannot be further from the truth. it belies the honesty, as harris was saying, about how they feel. back to your prior point, the hostility, the environment matters. correct that there is a difference -- and those that are committed to objectivity on air. it's right when the president campaign spokesperson asked if it's going to be a fair fight. it's only correct that as eric trump said, trump is not debating biden, or just debating biden. he's also debating cnn. could have been an opportunity for that host to say the debate will be fairly monitored, fairly moderated, with totally fair roles at cnn. instead, the cnn debate, she fed into people's conception about it, which is it is not a fair fight. >> kayleigh: you talked about their quotations for cnn and for the candidates. i think "the washington post" ran this out quite well. when it comes to expectations, they say donald trump's campaign argues that joe biden is a feeble, incompetent, disconnected from reality at his age, shuttling around the world come and stash like the cadaver in the 1989 comedy film "weekend at bernie's." trump says he looks good on the debate stage, so it's different how they pretrade. here's the second step that i think is important. biden's campaign describes trump as an extremist with dictatorial designs, snapped when he lost the 2020 election. so much -- biden -- the expectations that you're about to watch a unhinged dictator pick if he is the opposite, what then? >> griff: i think this is going to be one of the most significant debates, presidential debates, we have had ever. here is a case of the cand candidates, and you have two presidential records not going head-to-head for the first time. i hope there is, as you point out, the substance on the order, on the economy, on taxes. if i could just go back to that rally. trump is bringing his core base with him. they are stacking the deck. the lesson from that interview with casey hunt and karoline leavitt was that they saw they couldn't control karoline leavitt. you think jake tapper will be able to control trump? we will see what we get. i hope at some point we had a colorful trump moment which is is unpredictable-this come and perhaps he turns to biden and says "by the way, did cannibals eat uncle" -- a [laughter] >> carley: lara trump was on "fox & friends" earlier this morning and talked about donald trump's strategy. what he's going to do in terms of substance, and say we had to go back-to-back presidents, me in prison biden, and talk about the records. where did you feel, but her four years ago are now? just talking but the track records, which interestingly, it takes place back-to-back. i mean, how often can people really compare and contrast two presidential candidates? there also two rules that i think work in favor of donald trump one is that he won the coin toss. 's he will be doing the closing statements last. the last person you will hear from closing arguments is donald trump. the other is that the microphones are going to be muted. that works in donald trump's favor. he is aggressive. he's got a tendency to talk over the other candidate. sometimes when you do that with joe biden, you bail him out if he is losing his train of thought. if you get to january 6 question, are you going to accept the election results question, i think a good way to pivot to that is to just say "i'm running for the future of the country. you may care about that, but the era can people care about the economy, the border, crime. those are the issues that i want to talk about. i think that will speak to a lot of people in the middle. moderate voters as well. >> kayleigh: i believe biden won the toss and chose to give trump the end remarks because he wanted a different podium. which is fascinating. i'm glad you brought it up. don't you want to be the last person to speak? i mean, biden could have done that. >> i didn't know that. >> kayleigh: you learned about all the nfl stuff. [laughter] >> once the last word, that's for sure. >> kayleigh: be sure to tune in tonight, the ingraham angle here on the fox news channel at 7:00 p.m. eastern. i will be guest hosting. president trump has settle on his vp pick in his mind and the person will likely be at the debate. three of them will join me tonight: tim scott, doug ber berman -- 7:00 p.m. fox news. the buy demonstration just promoted this official who has called for -- abolishing ice and compared modern policing to patrols. 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"past social media posts from when i was younger do not reflect my current views period. i support the demonstration's agenda and will continue my administration's work focused on our climb and saw mike clement and environment to policies." replicants say that his promotion is -- all about the polls. speak of this president has some 25-year-old boy -- with a man button that is advising him that has his ear, because they realize that they have lost every demographic or they are losing. they don't have that hard left at the polls. he knows that they are dead in the water all the way down. >> remember sam burton about a year ago. this department of energy officials -- stealing luggage on taxpayer-funded from the travel. they said that they are proud of him as they try to pivot the headlines to abortion today. we have asked for more from the white house, waiting to get it. >> how is this appropriate to fulfill an associate communications director position in our administration to come into this country? >> he is going to be -- the communications person responsible for climate and environmental policy. i don't know why you have a whole staff or just for that. that's besides the point. but, to promote someone like this, and then the headlines of those who choose to cover it because a lot of people are ignoring it, they choose to -- comparing police to patrols. if this were a republican administration, republican staffer who got promoted in a trump white house, there would be thousands of questions in the briefing, and everything this guy ever tweeted as he gives taxpayer dollars. i wonder if there will be a single question today. there may be one from one outlet. there should be a lot of questions. >> emily: and harris, the point is as well everything that kayleigh said, and a set administration governs everyone. it's -- why some is qualified to help govern and lead with everyone when for example he tweets "praying for baltimore but printing more for an end of a capitalistic police state with racial biases," among other things. >> harris: they are desperate. they need the young vote. we saw that with the far left, squad members -- over the weekend, whose f-bomb laced comments, bring in the notorious aoc, turning this into a party in the bronx. trump got a lot of support in the south bronx and he didn't have to do all that. they could work at such that they go out to events, they could do what you suggested, that the trump campaign did years ago: you register as many as you can on site. you talk with young people. you hit them with the issues. can put the picture up. they are the voters. smart enough to know the difference between somebody that can talk about policy versus somebody who can just flex for the photos. >> perhaps, griff, maybe the main question is not why they find him qualified, but why wouldn't they? if the president himself has subscribed to these things. we were number when someone in the crowd yelled "abolish ice" to the president and he said "give me a couple days." perhaps for this person, maybe they actually are in lockstep with this demonstration policies. >> griff: your spot on. is trying to clean it up with his latest statement, but these were offensive outliers. this was clear poor judgment. when you talk about abolishing ice, if we abolish ice, the next 9/11 happens tomorrow. that's not me. the former cia deputy director is saying it, dhs says that her greatest strength is that bo border. poor judgment. the war on cops, and even of to the bluest of the blue know that the war on cops is increased crime. you have to look at whether he is qualified based on his judgment just a few years ago. >> another thing is that this is an example of what you say on social media lives forever. i have a grandma rule: if you wouldn't say it to your grandma, don't post on social media. is trying to backtrack in a way that -- and also enter bates is being asked questions about you, so that first day for him on the job. associate communications director of the white house is apparently a fairly junior level staffer position, but he is still on the communications team. his communication is the issue, so that is a problem. this also reminds me of the op-ed that the former clinton advisor wrote that one of biden's big issues is that he is trying to appeal to the base and not the middle. i'm sure it's not his job to give this guy a promotion, promoting him in this new story, it certainly does not help him with trying to appeal to the middle as well. >> he's a presidential candidate right now and i'm surprised by decisions like this. even if he was not running for president, the whole point is it raises a lot of questions about someone's judgment, the commander in chief in addition to them. coming up, squad members to ramaud bowman and alexandria ocasio-cortez joined severe criticism for a profanity-laced rant at a rally this weekend. >> we are going to show [bleep] the power of the mother [bleep]ing south bronx. 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