everyone. i'm judge jeanine pirro along with harold ford jr., jesse watters, katie pavlich, and brian kilmeade, who is here from this morning. it's 5:00 in new york city, and this is "the five." ♪ ♪ on president biden on the world stage for the d-day 80th anniversary in normandy and doing very little to dispel concerns about his diminishing the mental acuity following a bombshell "wall street journal" reported that claims he is slipg due to age. the president looking lost while getting out of the car, and later seen shuffling from event to event. social media erupting over one moment where joe awkwardly fumbles for his seat as other dignitaries remain standing. >> distinguished guests, please welcome the honorable lloyd jay aust and ii, secretary of defense of the united states of america. >> judge jeanine: meanwhile the white house is turning into a cleanup crew as they attack "the wall street journal" report. they have been urging democrats who were interviewed for the expose about perez an end know mike biden's brain drain to call the newspaper back and push bace narratives. nancy pelosi is slamming it as a "hit piece," but donald trump is saying "i told you so." >> president xi of china, putin, kim jong un, all of these leaders are at the top of their game, mentally, they are at the top of their game. and they are dealing with somebody that is not at the top of his game. you have a man that shouldn't be doing this job. he is not qualified. he's not mentally sharp enough. and i don't believe he was 20 years ago, either. >> judge jeanine: all right, katie, i'll start with you. "the wall street journal." they did this report when they knew that the president was on his way to go to normandy. was it bad timing? might they have pulled the plug on it a little bit for another week? >> katie: well, it's not up to "the wall street journal" to save the president from embarrassment before a big international trip, especially when the report had democrats and republicans talking about his decline, but i think the bigger picture of this was on display today with president joe biden in normandy, and it's not just that he is mentally declining, it's that his weakness has resulted in consequences for europe and for america and for the world. you have ukraine, which is of course, russia's invasion for the first time, a major land composition, since world war ii, and that is highlighted when you have the president here to commemorate the 80th anniversary of d-day. you also have him, you know, sending millions of dollars, hundreds of millions of dollars, to hamas in gaza when they are waging a war against israel, democracy that was established in the aftermath of world war ii. we can laugh and say he is declining and he does these things that are clear, he is maybe not sure where he is going or he has to be escorted off the stage by first lady jill biden, but the reality is that his weakness on the world stage and mental decline has had severe consequences for america and puts us at grave risk as these people around the world who are strong, who want to take advantage of that, are making their moves, and unfortunately, there will be more of them. >> judge jeanine: all right, jesse, they say they interviewed 45 people, democrats and republicans, although the only people who were willing -- whose names are mentioned -- where johnson and mccarthy, both republicans, although greg meeks, congressman from new york, barely called and said the white house that i should call you back. >> jesse: i bet the white house called every single one of those democrats to get them back on the record to say that guy is beautiful and limber. but judge, you know, the presidency, and a lot of it is ceremonial, and you do these observations, you pay respects, and that is what the public expects. you want to see presidential stature. and this guy has just shown an inability to go to that level, whether it is him checking his watch when the coffins come home or he was comatose at the maui fire event, he falls asleep at the u.n., he botched the white house christmas tree lighting, judge pirro he skipped the 9/11 ceremony and falls flat on his face at west point. it is very clear to everybody now that his walk is stiff and slow, his syntax is a disaster. it doesn't look like he hears very well and he looks lost and confused more and more and more in public. and the american people deserve better. the white house, behind the scenes, is probably working overdrive to produce the be out of this guy when they should be focused on serving the american people and every time he does an event, you are not talking about the men and women who sacrificed, you are talking about joe biden because he distracts from every event he participates in, and then you see this "wall street journal" piece and the american people fairly or unfairly they connect the physical width of the mental, and if you see someone falling in stuttering and stammering and not able to rise to the level, you think, well, is he able to make decisions for the best interests of the country? is he observing our enemies keenly? are his relationships with our key allies deteriorating? we have no idea, but that is a normal assumption and we shouldn't be having to have these concerns, we have a lot else going on. >> judge jeanine: all right, you know, harold, nancy pelosi comes out and says it is basically a hit piece, "the wall street journal" piece, and, you know, the democrats have been touting that behind the scenes, joe biden has all this energy, and yet the reporter, siobhan hughes, said the picture they painted of his being more energetic behind the scenes is really the exact same as what the public is seeing on the outside. >> harold: so good to be with everybody. i think a couple of things. i think the article, probably both sides are right, a lot of people said things in that article that were portrayed in the article and a lot of people who said things that contradict some of the things who did not get quoted, and in fact, some of them are trying to get quoted. i think that we should all accept the fact that the country does not look for -- does not look to president trump as a moral authority on marriage, and they don't look for joe biden to be an authority on physical youthfulness. so we are where we are, and we have known that now for some time. i think the speech that he gave in normandy was pretty good. i think we have reached a point, unfortunately, where i think in some of our politics has gotten so divided or divisive that we can't even objectively listen to our president on the 80th anniversary of i believe the most -- 80th anniversary of the most important battle, military battle, our nation has ever fought and thankfully won. i thought he gave a good speech. i thought there were times when president trump gave great speeches on important dates and important anniversaries for america and for that matter america's role in the world. but we are in a campaign season, at that point is not lost on me, and i know that there are probably some who because of the politics can't even listen to our president, who is our duly-elected president, on a day that is not supposed to be partisan, but a day we are supposed to be remembering and saluting and thanking those, the brave, who helped make our freedom possible. >> judge jeanine: you know, is it, brian, that we are so divided that we can't listen to president biden, or is it that president biden seems so clueless that we are just kind of trapped watching him as opposed to listening to him? >> brian: i was able to watch him. we were here, the other side of the studio this morning, and harold, you make good points. i couldn't care less personally about republican or democrat, if you run for president, i'm voting for you come i don't care what party you choose because you get the country. and you know for a strong defense, the fundamentals are there. i worry about the specifics in that story. i worry about the fact, in the speech, i liked the speech, it was fine, i have no problem bringing up ukraine. everybody around me did. there is a similarity between putin and hitler, no doubt about it. he wants the same thing. he wants to dominate europe. we have been through this before. and guess what, europe has got to respond. need more than 2% of your defense, france. poland, finland, sweden, you have the message. the other guys figured it out. israel should have been mentioned in that speech. my goodness, the guy who did "schindler's list" was staring right at you. israel should have been mentioned in that speech. when he was in those meetings and that "wall street journal" article, they brought a brush up. he's like, you know, he was a long pause, couldn't contribute to the conversation, they had to find a way to get armaments to ukraine. i want a president to say, why are the sanctions not working on these guys? how come they lost 200,000 people and they don't seem to care? what are we going to do if we can't get them munitions, how are they going to survive? he can't even run the meeting or participate, that's what bothers me. also in speaker johnson said, you have stopped energy production and natural gas, what you doing? no, i haven't. there was a study. no no, you did it. total silence. do you realize his own vote in pennsylvania, the governor of pennsylvania week ago goes, this better be a sharp pause. the guy that offered the pause doesn't even know it is paused. these are the specifics of what happened in that meeting that bother me. lest the arthritis-read and stiff walk, the confusion is disturbing, but i am more concerned i think the ripe country is running on automatic pilot and i hope it is not a bunch of 24-year-old interns. >> harold: i hope the deveined, june 27th, i hope president trump confronts him o. let's get to the very -- i only say when the president gives a speech on a day like today, however the president is, we as americans should be able to commemorate and honor those who fought -- >> brian: yeah, certainly unbelievable, right? that was unbelievable. you missed it this morning, 7:00, it was amazing. >> katie: he did forget to do it multiple times while he was in office so it is nice he showed up today. >> brian: 2022, tweeted something out late. >> judge jeanine: had to be reminded. anyway. coming up, hunter biden just got some horrible news. daddy isn't bailing him out. ♪ ♪ all these games on directv— and no satellite on the roof! think about this: blue jays, cardinals, orioles... what's missing? the andean condor? no, walnut-brain! pigeons! they'd rather name a team after socks! to be fair, we're not very athletic. ♪ ♪ >> brian: all right, the prosecution's most witness yet taking the stage in hunte hunter biden's gun trial as hisa pardon, saying in an interview with abc released in about an hour that he will accept the outcome of his sons trial and he would not pardon his son. really? that comes as hunter's sister-in-law turned ex-lover hallie biden took the stand today revealing the first son introduced her to crack during their relationship. she detailed what she discovered, the gun, inside hunter's car and threw it away in the trash can outside a grocery store. hunter trying to blame hallie for the gun residue on the bag the gun was found in. the brown bag she stopped not know my stuff the gun and was sometimes used to store drugs by hunter so what was accomplished with all of this, katie? what are we finding out? >> katie: we are finding a lot of these people are a mess and that hallie biden testified that hunter biden introduced her to crack cocaine, that is really awful, she wanted to remove drugs from a car because their daughters would take the car, he had drugs around them. i think his attorneys will probably say she is the one who put the gun inside the bags with the drugs on it so you can't say that was hunter doing that, so it's not connected. but i think they are really happy this is not a televised trial because the details are really shocking and they are flashing everything that was on the laptop onto the screens in the courtroom. some of it blurred out for the jury. so it's really the details are just horrific, and just bottom line of hunter biden dating his brother's widow in the aftermath of all of this and then introducing her to drugs is pretty gross detail if you are just a normal person watching. >> brian: i think she got married a couple days ago. >> katie: he showed up with her at the courtroom today. >> brian: and then you wonder what happened a few days before the trial started when president biden went to visit her suddenly, just thought it would be important. i think there's a couple of things that goes on there. would the 24-year-old that he was dating came out and said, i was amazed and i was confused that he would do crack, and he would be totally fine, would show no signs that he did it, so to me there might be indications he might have been doing some of these high wire deals on crack. >> jesse: might have been? absolutely, he was. i think one of the witnesses today hallie said sometimes he would have crack rocks the size of a marble, other times he would show crack rocks the size of ping-pong balls. so he had crack all the time. he was texting her, i believe, in mid-october, which was when he purchased the gun, right now i passed out, smoking crack, and any other text, yeah, i am doing a drug deal with my man, mookie, so they have him dead to rights on that and then they also have surveillance video of her picking up the gun, putting it in the dumpster, and apparently this vagrant named ed who likes to dumpster dive comes over, picks it up, hands it over to the police. hunter freaks out because it is registered to him, and then makes hallie go reported as stolen. i mean, you just look at this mess and you have to think these people are trash, and the president has a family that is dysfunctional, and he has put his son through a mess because his son had to make money for the family, and the defense is having a very hard time right now because they don't have a defense because it is so ironclad, at the prosecution been very effective in marrying the gun to the drug abuse. they are saying he needed to get the gun for personal protection because he was doing all of these shady deals and horrible neighborhoods with the dregs of society, so i don't see how this is anything other then guilty, but you never know if he gets home cooking delaware. >> brian: i always hear that abbe lowell is this great lawyer so i wanted to see who would cross. abbe lowell crossed with the gun owner, watch them check the box and he is not doing drugs feared by the wacom who buys a gun and goes yeah, i'm on drugs, that a problem? so why even have a "yes" there? having done that, you are just trying to up the sale. no, i get paid the same no matter if i upgrade the sale or not. so what are we learning from this, harold? it does look like he is dead to rights, this should have been something that never went to trial, but you are the lawyer. >> harold: i don't know. he is facing two felony counts. and he is letting the judicial system work its way, work its will. we are witnessing -- >> brian: what do you think so far? >> harold: i don't know, i've never done drugs before, i don't know what it's like to be addicted to that. i don't own a gun, so i don't -- >> jesse: don't tell people that, harold. make them think you are strapped. >> harold: i never lied on my gun application. so it is come on a level, bewildering to me to watch it because it has to be humiliating and painful because the family has known this about hunter, and he is clearly, obviously, turned a new chapter in his life, but to hear all these things, it's got to be painful. i listened earlier, can't remember what show it was on, but andy mccarthy was on earlier and he was saying how this case, if he is convicted here and on appeal how this likely could be overturned because you will basically pit the law about whether or not you can own a gun if you have some alcohol or substance challenges come against the second amendment and how absolute the second amendment is. we shall see. that won't play here. he can likely be convicted and on appeal -- it was an interesting legal theory to hear anti-proffer earlier. >> brian: did you hear andy say this earlier? the reform hunter biden still wrote the book and still did a press tour when he was, of course, he lied, clearly he lied, knows it was his, and joe biden during the debate, he lied, that leads to the question of i always hear this, why did they wait so long to bring this forward? well, when you tell a bunch of republicans that the laptop is not real, you give them power in the house, of course they are going to pursue whether the laptop is real, which leads to the gun charge all of these years later. >> judge jeanine: look, let me make this clear. i did this for 32 years, okay? this case is as clear as any case. and unless the supreme court comes down and says crack dealers and drug addicts are allowed to have guns, too, this case will be affirmed on appeal. what you've got here is a dysfunctional family. you've got a dysfunctional family where the widow of the brother of the defendant was introduced to crack cocaine. they are uploading pornographic video into some website, and she is throwing his gun away, and then he is han having her lie ad she then reports the gun was stolen. in addition to that, you are kathleen buhle, his wife, who has to check the car, his truck, to make sure there is no crack pipes and drugs in the car, because her daughter drives the truck. and then what you've got is this zoe kestan that you are referring to, says every 20 minutes the guy is doing crack appeared every 20 minutes. >> brian: she found him charming. >> judge jeanine: i'm sure he was a charmer. but this is more than letting the judicial system work. this was trying to pull the wool over the eyes of everybody. and when they got judge noriega, she said hey, wait a minute, what do you mean, this guy is going to be immune from prosecution for the rest of his life? i've never heard anything like that. justice department, have you ever done anything like this before? and they say, no, we haven't. so it is because they tried to pull a fast one on the american people, not just with this crime itself, but they tried to pull a fast one with the laptop. and this is karma coming back at them. because they tried to change the result in may, according to dutch have changed the result of an election, when antony blinken got 51 intel agents, so called -- >> brian: and mike morell. >> judge jeanine: and the whole lot of them to say this has all of the russian disinformation. all they had to do was get that laptop and say john jones, you had an email from hunter biden, do you have an email from hunter biden? yes or no? and that is why "the new york post" went with it and did publish it because they knew they were clear of any defamation claim. so this is karma coming back at the bidens. >> brian: how about leon panetta going, hey, joe, before i sign off on this, just tell me, my reputation of 50 years, is this your laptop? these are emails? it looks pretty specific. not one person picked up the phone, they just signed off on it. and by the way, when you are in the back alley, this guy was leading a hedonistic life, hanging on the rich hotel for five days, doing crack, i mean he was not suffering. >> judge jeanine: no, he was not suffering at all. >> harold: he he's an addict. >> judge jeanine: he's not being charged with being an addict. he is charged with making the choice to lie to get a gun. that he was not entitled to get. and the department of justice, in 2022, pushed for an increase in the penalties from 10 to 15 years, for people who live to get a gun. so let's not make like this isn't something