>> that supports what lee said. there needs to be more oversight and more accountability. mr. chairman, my time is expired. these points are very clear to all of us today in this hearing room. i yelled back. >> i now recognize mr. garcia -- he left. i now recognize miss green from georgia for 5 minutes of questions. >> thank you, mr. chairman. mr. fauci, you were quoted saying, it is easy to criticize, but they are really criticizing science, because i represent science. do you represent science, mr. fauci? >> i am a scientist that uses the scientific method to gain information. >> you said you represent science. do you represent science, yes or no? >> that's not a "y a "yes" or "" >> it's a "yes" or "no." we will take that is you don't know what you represent. this is director of the nih, you did sign off on these so-called scientific experiments. i want to tell you, this is disgusting. and evil. what you signed off on in these experiments that happened to beagles, paid for by the american taxpayer. i want you to note that americans don't pay their taxes for animals to be tortured like this. that type of science that you are representing, mr. fauci, is abhorrent, and it needs to stop. mr. fauci, you also represent the type of science where you confess that you made up the covid rules. including 6 feet social distancing and masking out children. >> i never said i made anything up. >> you made it up as he went. you saying this is big news? >> i didn't say that i made anything up. >> what did you say? >> i said it is ba not based in science and it appeared. what do dogs have anything to do what we are talking about today? >> these are scientific experiments. this is what you signed off on. you told the american people they had to distance by 6 feet. they had to wear masks. let's also talk a little bit further about the type of science that you represent. the four scientists made $710 million in royalties from drugmakers. a fact that has been hidden. as talk about the fact -- is it right for scientists and doctors getting paid by the american people, government taxpayer paychecks to get patents where they are paid millions of hundreds of millions of dollars in royalty fees? especially when the nih in these government agencies, most powerful agencies in our country are recommending medical suggestions and advice and making up guidelines like 6 feet distancing and masking out children? you think that is appropriate? do the american people deserve to be abused like that? mr. faucher? i don't need your answer. i want to talk about this right here. >> objection. >> i reclaim my time. >> mr. chairman, in terms of the rules of decorum, are we allowed to deny that a doctor is a doctor just because we don't want him to be a doctor? >> yes, because in my time, that man does not deserve to have a license. as a matter of fact and it should be revoked. he belongs in prison. >> the young lady should recognize that doctor is doctor. >> thank you. >> is this what we have a calm? is this what we have devolved into? no decorum. >> we can do that hearing about the poor men that were injected with syphilis. i support you in that. that is horrific. and this government like that two americans doesn't have decorum to the american people. >> the gentleman is out of or order. recognize the point of order. go ahead with your point of order. >> i was going to say -- completely unacceptable to deny dr. fauci who is here a respected member of the medical community his title. that is actually a personal attack on his character. >> he is not respected. >> i have instructed her to address him as doctor. >> i am not addressing him as doctor. let's talk about this. i am reclaiming my time. i am reclaiming my time. i am reclaiming my time. >> point of order. >> a member can only move -- the issues we are debating are important ones that members feel deeply about. vigorous disagreement as part of the legislative process. as i said, the members are reminded that we must adhere to established standards of decorum and debate. this is a reminder that it is a violation of house rules and the rules of this committee to engage in personalities regarding other members or to question the motives of a colleague. remarks of that type are not permitted by the rules and they're not in keeping with the best traditions. the chairman will enforce decorum at all time and reminds all members to be mindful of their remarks. does the gentleman from california have anything fur further? >> we should take her words d down. >> i offered that her words be taken down. >> point of order. >> mr. chairman, i would like to make a point of order. they accused us of worshiping president trump. >> young lady will suspend. >> mr. griffin, you have a point of order. >> mr. chairman, while it may not be polite, i believe the rule only applies to members of this body, the senate, and the president of the united states. i do not believe that it applies -- the rule that i am taking down good words does not apply to a witness. again, i am not condoning the words. i am just asking whether or not it applies to individuals who are just happened to be here in front of us. >> the chair overrules the point of order. the gentleman from maryland ask that members please afford other members the respect they are entitled and refrain from using rhetoric that could be construed as an attack on the motives or character of another member or the witness. you may proceed. >> thank you. this was a time in history where you got to throw out the first pitch at the washington nationals baseball game while americans were forced to stay home and watch such events that they love from at home alone on their televisions. what hypocrisy this picture shows. here you are without your mask, with empty seats everywhere. remember the cardboard cutout fans. that was one of the most insulting things to americans having to watch the games from home where you got to go and enjoy the game and sit right next to people not following the 6 feet of distancing, not wearing your mask, and everyone else was forced to stay home and stop enjoying life. your science here, your science is displayed perfectly in this picture. where children in school were put in plastic bubbles. because of your science. your repulsive, evil science. let's go back to your very own email. you said you don't use email. you do. right here. this is your own email. you said the typical mask you buy and the drugstore was not really effective in keeping out virus. i do not recommend that you wear a mask. this is your email. this is your own words. children, children, all over america were forced to wear masks. healthy children forced to wear masks, muzzled in their schools. they were forced to learn from home because of your so-called science and your medical suggestions. while you and all your cronies get paid from big pharma. but this committee should be doing, we should be recommending you to be prosecuted. we should be writing a criminal referral. you should be prosecuted for crimes against humanity. you belong in prison, dr. fauci. >> mr. chairman, i have another point of order. >> i just want to make sure the record is clear. dr. fauci testified that he did not use his personal email for official business. he did not say, he did not use email. i think today, this particular has been full of lies and disregard and disrespect. we need to stick to facts >> thank you. the time had expired before the point of order. i now recognize mr. garcia from california for 5 minutes of questions. >> dr. fauci, i am sorry you had to sit through that. i was completely irresponsible. this might be the most insane hearing i've only attended. i've only been in congress for 1.5 years. i am so sorry you are subjected to the level of attacks and insanity. your "so-called science" that the gentlewoman referred to save millions of lives in this country and around the world. i want to thank you for that. i also think it is important to note that it is my opinion that you are an american hero. your team has done more to save lives, then all 435 members of this body on both sides of the you guys have worked not just during this pandemic that over time to save millions of lives in this country and across the world. we lost 1.1 million american lives. 1.1 million american lives. 7 million lives around the wo world. we were having 9/11-like death advance daily in this country losing 4000-5000 people every day. i was married during that time of the pandemic and remember how painful it was too close businesses and shutdown schools. how quickly we forget the pain and how scared we were as a country. we were washing our groceries as we were coming in. we were keeping seniors at a distance. the tragedy that was happening in our nursing homes. thousands of people were dying a day. you and your team are the best and brightest scientists in this country in the world doing everything that you could and working night and day to save more and more of those lives. a lot of my colleagues know that my mom was a health care worker during the pandemic. my mom died of covid. my stepfather died of covid. i lost both of my parents during the pandemic. i think is very personally and other members of this body who are tasked to be responsible and healthy american people attack medical professionals like you and across the world. a vaccine that you and your team health foster has saved millions of american lives. these are ridiculous. even before this committee started. i wanted to point a few things out. this same member that went on this rant introduced the fire fauci act and promoted on a podcast saying that covid was a bioweapon. that is how insane some of these comments are. this is a quote from the same member. "i don't believe in evolution. these viruses were not making people sick until they created them. for they weaponized viruses to attach to ourselves and make us sick. it's a bioweapon." they are attacking you and our medical community for actually creating covid that has caused the deaths of millions. we know that these extreme comments are targeting public health officials across the country. i also want to show you this other comment. the same member. this being unfunded wuhan lab created the virus." this is so crazy and irresponsible. the same member of this committee and accusing him of a global conspiracy to create covid on purpose just to make people get vaccines. that you had done this, sir. the same member routinely promotes misinformation about vaccines and actually has encouraged the routine prevention of tax filings and eliminate diseases like the measles. dr. fauci, you brought together our nation in the world's best and brightest scientists take on covid and created a vaccine that works. i want to ask you a question and be crystal clear for the public. you brought together little world and america's best scientists. do you believe that the vaccine that you all helped create and ensure it is safe and effective for the public. >> yes, and its track record has proven that. >> do you also agree that in saved hundreds of thousands and possibly millions of lives in america and across the world? >> that is absolutely correct. it is a very clear that it saved millions of lives here and throughout the world. the europeans have done the same studies that we have. the data are incontrovertible that they save lives. >> do you think the american public should listen to america's brightest and best doctors and scientists, or instead listen to podcast goose, conspiracy theorists, and unhinged facebook memes? >> listening to people who you just described is going to do nothing but harm people, because they will deprive themselves of life-saving interventions, which is happened. you know, some have done stu studies. peter haute is has done an analysis of this and people whoo get vaccinated for any of a variety of reasons probably are responsible for an additional 2-300000 deaths in this country. >> thank you for your entire team for saving lives in this country. i yelled back >> mr. chairman, could you have her removed? >> i asked the capitol police to escort. >> she can be removed. you can be removed. you are not allowed to speak. take your starbucks with you. >> you are out of line. your time has expired. i recognized dr. jackson from texas for 5 minutes of questions. >> thank you, mr. chairman. dr. fauci, i had to say, i and so many americans i'm deeply disappointed in your actions while you were in key leadership roles as the director of the national institute of allergy and infectious disease and as the chief medical advisor to president biden. you failed miserably in my opinion. based on all we have learned during the pandemic and all that we have learned through this committee's work, i believe that your failures stem from an effort of self-preservation, manifested by a series of lies and cover up and buy a total failure leadership. it was obvious to everyone that you and your organization had a lot to lose if the american people were to discover that covid-19 was leaked from a lab in wuhan, china, and that you found the alliance actually funded this research and that this lab was actively and recklessly conducting gain-of-function research. as such, you did everything in your power to deflect and cover up this possibility and recruited others to help you in this effort. unfortunately, this cost our country in the world valuable time that may have led to answers regarding the origin and blunted the spread and almost certainly save lives. i think most of us have known all along what i just described when i have been appalled to discover through sworn testimony to this committee is the level of which even those that work for you went to cover-up the obvious. just a few examples. they are important for everyone to hear. former acting director of nih testified under the jerry narron definition that nih did in fact funny gain-of-function research. this was based on a definition that was initially used by nih and a definition that was abandoned and removed from the website in october of 2021 and replaced by a new much more detailed definition with a much higher bar that you have since conveniently used to define gain of function testing and to deny what the doctor has confirmed. he also said that eco-health alliance has failed to properly report that their research violated the terms of the grant. something that went completely unaddressed under your watch. you're a senior advisor who you have tried today to distance yourself from but whose large volume of emails clearly demonstrate that you had a very close and personal relationship with and reported to you directly has openly bragged about how he subverted foia's requests. i remind you that the law requires you and your former organization to comply with freedom of information request. it is not optional. if your organization that you oversaw were systemically avoiding transparency and illegally hiding or destroying documents than rightfully belong to the american people, then you should be criminally charged and they should as well. in addition, your chief of staff also engaged in the practices in which he crafted messages using symbols instead of letters to avoid foia exposure. in an email 2027 he says, "there are things i can say." i am wondering what he couldn't say. he also went on to say, "except tony is aware at, and i have learned that there is ongoing efforts within nih to steer through this with minimal damage to you and colleagues and to nih and naiad." a few days later, he said "i have reason to believe that there are already efforts going on to protect you." in february of 2021, he rode to boston university scientists saying, "i learned from our foia lady how to make emails disappear but before the search starts. i think we are all safe." dr. fauci, i want to know what you are being protected from and what you need to be safe from good i'm gonna go on because i have a little time here. "i deleted most of the earlier emails after sending to gmail. once again, illegal and an actual crime. "i learned of the tricks last year from an old friend who heads our foia office and also hates foias" it is amazing to me that they still have jobs and taxpayers are paying their salaries. in april of 2021, "ps, i forgot to say there's no worry about foia. i can send stuff to tony on his private email or at his house. he's too smart to let colleagues and him stuff that could cause trouble." apparently you failed to surround yourself with equally smart individuals. "in june 2021, and baylor college of medicine that he had deleted all his emails related to covid origin when "it hit the fan." delete all emails when you learn the subject is pretty sensitive. in october 2021, "peter from tony's recent comments to me and what francis has been vocal about over the past 5 years, we are trying to protect you and protecting their own reputations as well." i will just jump ahead. the american people can rest assured that they will continue to pursue answers in pursue full accountability despite continuing efforts to cover this up. history will not be kind to you and you will be known as the man who put his personal interest before the american people. the very people that you are supposed to be protecting. your actions we have had before this committee have completely eroded our health system and the agency representative for half a century. >> the gentleman's time has expired. 5 minutes of questions. >> thank you. i hope i will have an additional 30 seconds like the previous element. >> i have allowed that today in several locations. >> dr. fauci, you deserve better than this. the other side suddenly cares about puppies versus the millions of people that you have kept safe and alive over your lifelong commitment to public health. i would like to use my time to dispel some of the myths about you that have circulated in right-wing circles. we can all acknowledge that suspension of in-person activities during the early days of covid was necessary to save lives and to stop the spread. it was not without its challenges. it was difficult particularly for our nation's students and business owners. but to completely clean these policies on you, dr. fauci, is ridiculous. the decision to suspend interest in learning, dining them and other activities was not a decision that you were somehow solely responsible for, including in your role as a naiad directory. is that correct? these decisions were made at the state and local level in communities across the country like my home state of hawaii which was particularly aggressive. in part as a response to the failure to contain the outbreak of the virus. is that not correct? >> i'm sorry. ma'am, i am not really hearing you very well. could you -- >> to be clear with the decisions were made at the state and local levels in communities across the country. >> that is correct. >> thank you. i would like to shift topics for suppressing opposing viewpoints about the pandemic response. over the past 15 months, the majority of the members of the subcommittee have levied the allegation of federal health officials answered proposals like the great american declaration which are inconsistent with the overwhelming consensus of the scientific and medical community. much attention has been paid to an email dr. francis collins and she regarded the decoration where he called for a quick and devastating published takedown of its premises. to be clear, this was not dr. collins suggesting that you suggest or censor at the declaration. he was suggesting that the points you just explained, memorialized to refute the scientific premises of the great barrington declaration. is that correct? >> yes. >> there is good reason for dr. collins to have substantive concerns. lifting mitigation measures for the vast majority of society and per