Im Jesse Watters along with judge jeanine pirro, richard fowler, dana perino, and greg gutfeld. Its 5 00 in New York City, and this is the five. Le 2024 race just got real pure joe biden doing his best Clint Eastwood impression, challenging donald trump to a pair of debates. Donald trump last two debates in 2020, since then he hasnt shown up to a debate and now he is acting like he wants to debate me again. Make my day, pal. Ill even do it twice. So lets pick the dates, donald. Ii hear you are free on wednesdays. Jesse notice how there were five jump cuts and a 142nd video. Donald trump Excepting The Challenge to take on the worst president in the history of the United States and a true threat to democracy. The two talking trash for months. Bidens own advisors apparently dont want him to do the debates, but its personal for joe. We are told that sleepy is seething with hatred for donald trump because he dares call out hunters corruption. Our prima donna president also has a list of demands. Joe biden wants no audience, no third party, sorry, rfk jr. , and they have the mics cut when the speaker isnt called on. Is this really just an attempt to change the conversation . It is no secret joe has been bombing in the polls lately. Peter doocy asked why earlier. So should we see the sudden offer from a president to debate as a signal you realize you need to change the subject after some really bad polls . I just dont want to get into polling, any more details on polling, as it relates to the debate, you got to talk to the campaign about it. Who is going to stand in during the prep for donald trump . Who is going to stand end . Do you want to stand in for donald trump . So you are saying i can go debate joe biden behind the scenes . You know what . I think that might be fun for both of you. It might be fun for both of you. I think that might be fun. I dont have anything for you on that. But i appreciate the question. Jesse judge jeanine, we just heard this this morning out of the blue. What does it tell you about the strength of the Biden Campaign then he just throws down the gauntlet like this . Judge jeanine well, number one, he is trying to be a tough guy, okay . Im a tough guy. And number two, it tells me that his campaign is concerned about the numbers. He has always wanted to debate because he thinks he has this great tough guy who has a great record. Heck, when he came in, inflation was 9 , right . Thats what he thinks. But i think in addition to that, his campaign is concerned. They know they are going to lose. I mean, if the election were held today, they would lose. They are listening to van jones, axelrod, carville, and they know that they are in big trouble, but i think he is coming out offensively saying this is what we are going to do and this is how i want it. I dont want an audience. Now trump says that not having an audience is because biden is afraid of him, okay, but i think more than that, they are saying, i want to be in a television studio. To me, that says you want to already be at the podium, standing there when the cameras go on. We have candidate joe biden, candidate donald trump. There is no walking across the stage, stumbling, mumbling, not figuring out where you are going, and no large audience to respond to that. I thought, also, i hear you are free on wednesdays, i found that so offensive, and maybe not just because you know, obviously everyone knows i have a long relationship with donald trump, but you orchestrated this. You hunkered this guy down. And now you are over there sticking the knife, yeah, here you are free because court is open on wednesdays. One is at cnn, as i understand it, and that is the june 27th 1. Isnt cnn where Donna Brazile was able to get those questions to Hillary Clinton during that cnn debate with donald trump and cnn, you know, just kind of dana no, it was the primary debate and about bernie sanders. Judge jeanine but there was Donna Brazile, and it was cnn, and she lied about it and then she finally admitted it. I think that in the end, i think that this is a good thing and i think that irrespective of the parameters come i think trump will do well. Jesse richard, why does he want to do one and the dead of summer . Richard a couple of reasons. One i think the story is fascinating because when i woke up this morning there wasnt a debate and how it is 5 5 00 on e east coast and there are carico. So thats fascinating. Jesse maybe there will be three by 8 00. Richard by the time we go to bed there might be 30 00 p. M. I think a couple of things. Number one, this has been a long time problem with the president ial debate commission, its a very old way of doing things. Also, often times, depending upon when the debate was scheduled, people had already started voting because of early voting and absentee voting. And i also think, is also, i sort of agree with the judge a little bit, for the biden team and the trump team, a debate in the beginning of summer, before Summer Holiday and before folks start to tune into the election is a great way to bring these issues up front. I think there is an interesting timing on this that is important to remember. June 27th, right after the Supreme Court has issued most of its ruling for the term. There is going to be a Big Gun Ruling that comes out. Also potential Abortion Ruling that will come out that i think these candidates will be able to tackle because the americans will be talking about that. I think, too, it was interesting, the trump team and a biden team, that make it a twoman debate that we can take that their candidates off the board. I think number three, removing the audience to me was a value add. We saw dana do a debate this year and she spent half the time telling the audience to be quiet. Right . So having a live Studio Audience when there are millions of people watching at home trying to make a decision, people booing and jeering and who is up and who is down, when the Studio Audience is not the bulk of the voters, the bulk of the viewers come i think having just the two candidates and the moderator in the room with questions will allow the American People to really focus and determine which candidate they want, which is what the debates are all about. Jesse what about the mic cutting . So there will be no crosstalk, no interruption, dana, does that take away from the spontaneity . Or does it let joe biden just talk and talk . Dana i could argue it either way. But my instinct was this is actually probably good for donald trump and the reason is because when somebody that you are debating is searching for words, and is thinking about things and maybe stumbling a little bit, not saying stutter, im saying searching for the word, looking for the word, as the other person, you have a tendency to try and help the person out. Even if you are or you are jumping in and saving them from that moment. I think it would be very interesting to just sit back, ill wait until you can find those words. You do that. I think that will probably work in his favor. Im okay on the audience thing. I think theres a difference between a primary debate where everybody in the room agrees on 98 of the issues and they are only arguing about 2 and it was just a little bit of noxious. To your point on the free on wednesdays, not only was it undignified, funny for them, they are fundraising off of it. Its like the tshirts, free on wednesdays. Richard ive already seen one of those. Dana there was that thing. Between biden and his team. Jacqui heinrich reported that biden is the one who said, i want to do this debate. Finally, at some point, when the president of the United States, the commander in chief, oh, im doing the debate, announced it, you as a team after going to figure it out. I think obviously height, hardwired this with cnn, every 20 minutes this morning we had new information. Mark penn was on this morning, democrat centrist guy can work for bill clinton, helped bill clinton get reelected by moving him to the center. He said this is an act of desperation. Its a highrisk, high reward format. For biden in particular. But he needed to change the conversation. The judge said, he needed to Say Something you said in your opening the information this week has been so bad. And i think june 27th, i dont think it has anything to do with the Supreme Court. I think his team was like, we need four weeks to get this guy ready. Jesse also, that is a great point, june 27th, we might just have a ruling on hunter biden gun charge. His son could be found guilty of a gun felony. Greg pfizer better send him a big case of Adrenaline Shots to get him ready. The edits. It was like 13 seconds, there were like five edits . Less edits in a michael bay movie. He couldnt even do that, that challenge, in one straight shot. I wonder what they left on the cutting room floor. May be this is why they hired steven spielberg, just to get joe to seamlessly complete a singular thought. I mean, Spielberg Made A Mechanical Shark looked real through the magic of editing, may be could turn joe into a cogent human being, bring cgi, i think that stands for corpse galvanizing imagery. Im thinking, though, i think joe heard finally what everybody else is hearing, that he is on his way out, and what do you do when youre on your way out . You set something in motion that makes it harder for you to leave. Its like when jesse volunteered to be our floors marshal so that might buy him some time at the network, and it worked. It worked. Why is he doing this . Im happy he is doing this. Im glad he is doing it. Maybe jill told him to do it. Maybe it is just easy to say you are going to do it and then back out. And this is just buying you time and you can come up with reasons for backing out. There could be another new hoax they push that makes it like, we cannot debate this man. He is undebatable. It is beneath us to debate him. We dont even know what the hoax is but theyll find one, or perhaps they are banking on him being found guilty and then they can say we are not going to debate a felon. Or theyre going to keep Making Conditions untenable or hope that trump makes conditions that untenable. I dont think trump will. Maybe they are trying to keep the republicans thinking that joe is the candidate when he really isnt because they are in big trouble. I have to say, i dont know why biden would avoid debating. Its one of the few things hes good at. I mean, hes the best biden is on the debate stage. And, you know, we make fun of him all the time but that is where he really shines. If you think i am lying, i am. [laughter] i learned a lesson. You do not want to build really, really low expectations for joe biden because it makes it easier for him to win with the media. A very, very low bar guarantees he will beat the expectations because you go, oh, my god, at least he lived. He didnt fall. Im going to go ahead and say right now, take it out of context, joe biden is the best president ial debate or i have ever seen and it is about time he gets on that stage. Dana impossible to beat. Greg impossible to beat. Jesse a master debater. Up next, the ladies of the view had to put a gag order on Robert De Niro after his profanitylaced rant against trump. Ng better with age. Heres to beating these two every thursday. Help fuel today with boost high protein, complete nutrition you need. Without the stuff you dont. So, heres to now. Boost. psst psst ahhh with flonase, allergies dont have to be scary. Spray Flonase Sensimist daily for nondrowsy long lasting relief in a scent free, gentle mist. Flonase all good. Also, try our Allergy Headache and nighttime pills. Hello, im franklin graham. As we watch the news, it feels like the whole world is filled and engulfed with hate. We see it on our college campuses. We see it across the world. Where did this come from . You see, hate is coming from the human heart. God made us and he created us, but sin has come into the world, and its come into each and every heart. And the only one who can fix the heart is god. And god did that by sending his son, jesus christ from heaven to this earth to take our sins. He died in our place on a cross, shed his blood, and was buried, but on the third day he walked right out of that grave. Thats right, jesus christ is alive, and my questions is have you ever invited him into your heart . If you havent done it, do it right now. Just say, god, im a sinner. Im sorry. Forgive me. I believe jesus is your son. I want to trust him as my savior, and i pray this in jesus name. If you prayed that prayer call that number right now thats on the screen. God bless you greg the media is still coping with the fact that the trump Hush Money Trial is a turd tornado that has not swayed public opinion. Also obsessing over the orange nemesis getting some shut eye during the boring testimony. One thing that has changed in the Republican Party is that they are being in the tank for donald trump it off the dressing like him . They were all wearing the exact same outfit, like they were rockettes. Im cheering for Speaker Mike Johnson and yesterday was a very, very sad spectacle for america and for an institution i love. The old man sitting there in the defendants chair, head tilted back, to the right, eyes closed, made it look like a trial at a nursing home. If he were found like that in his chair, at a table in the nursing home during lunch, he would be immediately checked for signs of life. Hes enraged and that is why i think he is so orange because i think it is read underneath. Greg Lawrence Odonnell is five years younger than trump. And Rachel Maddow has been dressing the same for 20 years, like wally cleaver. The same clothes and The Star Of Dirty GrandpaRobert De Niro getting censored by the view after reading like a bull who Saw A Red Maga hat. And they might think it is going to make life better or they just want to come Excuse My French literally. Its almost like he wants to do the worst that he could possibly do to show this country this [cheers and applause] greg jesse, i find that he is smartest when they drop his audio. But you know, it is kind of sad because you can see because people who are stuck in some kind of derangement, they cant see it themselves, and they are not surrounded by people telling them that they have a problem, and he lacks selfawareness because everyone tells them they are wonderful or wants to sell him cocaine so he has no clue what he is doing and he is upset over the emotional nature his anger is emotional about trump, nothing practical. Jesse remember he is the most boring interview, he used to sell his Movies On Leno And Letterman and it was like watching a wnba game. You were just bored to death. And all of a sudden trump became president and started saying things, i want to punch the president in the face come hes a crooked piece of and then all of a sudden did nero became interesting during his media tours and that is the only way now he can get publicity for his films, by cursing and saying whatever he says the movie i guess that works. I guess it was maddow that was mocking them for wearing the same things, the democrats all Wore African Tribal Gear and kneeled for george floyd. Not really what you would call an american hero. The democrats all Wear White DramaState Of The Union to honor suffragettes. They are still wearing ukraine pins. People wear things to show solidarity. You are going to see red, dnc blue, at the eagles game, you are going to see green. And the other woman, i forget who it was, the guy is sleeping shes meditating, greg. Greg yes. Jesse a meditative state. When you are defensive about something, you avoid something. Trump is not defensive of being old and tired. He can shut his eyes and not feel bad about it like sleepy joe. Greg you know, kind of what jesse said but not really, De Niro Represents Hollywood and the sense that they realize they are losing influence with the public, and thats whats generating the emotional response. They have never felt less important. Dana doesnt it feel like 2016 again . We live through this. Didnt know mike did they forget . Feels like they forgot remember just this week that Kamala Harris dropping the fbomb had a group, whether trying to be likable or letting loose. I dont think thats true. Greg she was. Dana making fun of republicans going to defend president trump, if they thought that this trial were going well, that trump was actually going to get convicted or this case was actually a good case, do you think for one second the democrats wouldnt be there at the microphones . They are running away as fast as they can because they know it is a dog. If they thought this case was going so well for them do you think biden would say, you know what, we really should do debates and change the subject, no, they need to change the subject. Greg judge, theres a lot of things you never hear de niro get upset about, and they are the real concerns and actual real life. Crime, illegal immigration, inflation. Instead, hes obsessed with these hike hypothetical whatifs, trump going to hold onto power, none of them true. Judge jeanine the amazing part of this is they say these things and i say am i living in different world . Donald trump was the president for four years. He didnt do any of the things they are claiming. He left office. And the amazing thing is Robert De Niro, hes good when he is reading a script and a movie, but is not