fox on top of storms that are barreling down as we speak from the legal storm in a new york city courtroom where donald trump and jurors just heard from stormy daniel, now set ecoto hear from star witness michael cohen on monday, prosecutors hoping he'll help take down his boys -- boss, but could he end up derailing their case? meanwhile, at least 30 arrested at the university of pennsylvania last night, more demonstrations expected today. all around the world, actually. plus, several states cleaning up after dead tornadoes yet again tearing across the south and the midwest multiple times this week. a powerful solar storm brings the northern lights to many of the lower states, first time ever we've seen that. but could it also create havoc for cell phones and power grids across the globe? so many storm, so little time. ♪ neil: welcome, everybody, i'm neil cavuto. so good to have you. we have a jam-packed show. we always do, but this one we waned the kick off in wildwood, new jersey. it's a fantastic, i call it a carnival-like destination. s -- at the very tippy, south end of the garden state, it's going to9 get some notoriety all the more today because the former president of the united states plans to visit for a big event. and her, we're told, it will be a packed event. bryan llenas is there, the latest from wildwood. hey, bryan. >> reporter: neil, good morning being. it is a carnival-like atmosphere here on the beach in wildwood with, new jersey, where people are already lined up. more than 20,000 people are expected for tonight's rally at 5 p.m. [cheers and applause] this area is a republican stronghold in an otherwise deep blue democratic state. it's close to all-important pennsylvania, battleground state. it's just a few hours' drive south of new york city where trump has been preoccupied for the last month with the criminal hush money trial case. now, the focus tonight will be whether or not former president trump will risk potentially violating his gag order again to attack michael cohen, his former personal attorney and fixer who's set to testify on monday as the prosecution's star witness. cohen, over the course of this trial, has been almost baiting trump, posting hours of live stream video on tiktok, commenting on the case and attacking the former president, even wearing a t-shirt on wednesday in one of the videos with a picture of trump behind bars. yesterday judge juan merchan told prosecutors to directly warn cohen to stop commenting on the case and trump. prosecutors say they have repeatedly asked cohen to stop and he hasn't listened. merchan says he can't subject witnesses like cohen to a gag order. trump, on the other hand, has been fined $10,000 for violating the gag order multiple times. yesterday this is what trump had to say out of frustration. >> what the judge did was amazing, actually. was amazing. everybody can say whatever they want, they can say whatever they want, but i'm not allowed to say anything about anybody. it's a december grace. if -- disgrace. >> reporter: trump's attorneys have told the jury they cannot make a serious decision about mr. trump based on cohen's testimony, saying the -- he has based his entire financial future on trying to destroy trump. prosecutors claim trump falsified those business records or to cover up reimbursementments to cohen who paid $130,000 to porn star stormy daniels to keep this information from going public ahead of the 20216 election. and back out here on the beach, neil, cohen, remember, he pleaded guilty to that hush money payment back in 2018. he's convicted of lying to banks and the congress. and just this past week a federal judge suggested he highed under oath at a civil case in october in new york against the president. so we'll see how all of this happens -- can how all this plays out beginning on monday. neil in. neil: all right, bryan. in the meantime, do do try the sausage and pepper grinders while you're there, probably among the world's best -- the. [laughter] you seem like a healthy eater, so that might be difficult, but if you could pick a few up for me, great reporting, and that's a great assignment there in wildwood, new jersey. want to go to tom dupree. i do know he's into legal stuff, and he's a walking encyclopedia with it. one of the things i learned from the prosecution is they hope the wrap this up maybe as early as next week after they're done with michael cohen. that's it for them. what do you make for of that? >> well, what i make of it, neil, is their entire case is now coming to rest on michael cohen. as this trial getting going, the prosecution was signaling they were going of to have a lot of other evidence, a lot of other key witnesses beyond michael can coen hen precisely because they recognize he's a terrible witness, and the prosecutors were going to the make their case in other ways. they haven't really done i. so i think the fact they're saying, look, all we've got left is basically michael cohen shows how much is riding on what happens monday. the prosecutors have put all their chips on michael cohen being a persuasive, credible witness which to say the least is an enormous risk for the d.a.'s team. neil: if they do wrap with it up here, i don't know what the estimates were on how long it's going to last. a lot depends on cross-examination and what the the defense does, but is this keeping to the time you thought it would last? >> it's gone faster than i would have expected. i thought that the prosecutors would have had more witnesses to put on. i thought there might have been objections or other things that would slow things down, so it has moved along much more quickly than i would have anticipated. i am surprised though that the prosecutor spent so much time with stormy daniels. she was, you know, a witness who testified to things that were largely irrelevant to the charges being brought. so i think the prosecutors have made an interesting strategic decision that may backfire where they put on witnesses like stormy daniels, like david pecker who had very salacious testimony, but that wasn't really directly relevant. and the prosecutors gave short shrift to the witnesses who might actually have been relevant like the account accountants and people who actually know something about the alleged fraudulent business dealings at the heart of this case. neil: those jurors probably won't recall whatever, you know, stormy daniels was saying than any of those accountants, right in. >> i think that's right. and, look, i think the prosecutors had a big job to do in making sure the jurors were focused on the boring accounting testimony. i'm not sure they succeeded in that a because, to your point, i suspect the jurors were rivetted by a lot of the things that they heard about tabloids and lake tahoe and that sort of thing, and they probably zoned out when those accountants were coming on and testifying. but when it comes time to render a verdict, it's that accountant's testimony that the jury's going to need to focus on, and i i think the prosecution made a strategic error in focusing so much on the stormy daniels of the world at the expense of the people who really matter to what they're trying to prove. neil: i'm sure you didn't mean this as an insult, but are you saying accountants are people who like numbers, i don't know, maybe like myself are boring? >> i love account. about thes, neil, don't get me wrong here -- neil: there you go. >> i personally found their testimony interesting, but i'm not sure the jurors did, you know? and whether or not they can sort out the boring from the important when it comes time to deliberate, we'll see what happens. neil: got it. remember, i built a careeren on boring, tom. you're the best, my friend if, and you open this whole legal world to us of. bob cusack has been following this closely, the hill editor-in-chief, good read of the political fallout on this. i'm just wondering how you find this hearing going especially if it wraps up early. and i always see life maybe on two television screens owing to maybe the world as we see it now. you have on one screen, let's say, donald trump and this hearing back and forth, back and forth and the statements he makes before and after each trial day, and on the other side, all these college protests. which rivet americans more? >> that's a good question with. i think at first the trial, and i think prosecutors got off to a good start, but since then i think certainly the college campuses have been newsier, there have been cancellations for commencements, and, you know, listen, neil, i just think a lot of people expect -- polls show most people expect trump to be convicted in this case. but what if he's not? so expectations and politics are all about expectationses. if there's one holdout juror, and i agree with what tom said, the stormy daniels, the case has gotten a little bit off the rails now, and they're really hoping to land this next week. it's a bit shaky right now, i think. neil: you know, you mentioned all bets potentially could be off if we get a conviction. i dare say even if you get a conviction or several convictions, donald trump's popularity remains sort of rock solid. i only say that in the context of this other stuff we're seeing and a lot of people who no matter what they say or feel about the former president, they're a lot more alarmed and worried about what's going on on these college campuses setting up for some of a certain age who can remember 1968. now, law and order has been a big theme of donald trump's. it's no accident that he has visited law and order types if you consider police policemen, he's taken time to shake hands with or even fire fighters in new york. that's by design. and it reminded me of richard nixon's posture in '68 with all the protests going on then. how do you think that plays out? is this going to be a repeat year? >> listen, i think when you turn on your t and you see a lot of -- your tv and you see a lot of chaos whether in the middle east or at the border or on college campuses, that is not good for the incumbent. listen, joe biden had a good run, and he was starting to close in on donald trump in the polls, and that's basically stalled now. i agree with you that the i think a lot of this is already baked in. remember, neil, this is probably the only trial that we're going to see before the election. so this is going to be over relatively soon, and most people really, honestly, start paying attention after labor day. neil: you know, bob, there's an interesting report in axios that the trump campaign is trying to mistake overtures to nikki haley and her folks and vice versa. there was even talk that maybe they are considering or the former president's considering her as a running mate p. now, that might be a bridge too far, but this has been raised with nikki haley a number of times including when i had a chance to talk with her. i want you the react the this. a lot of people say it would be perfect if because you could get him the independents expect kind of support he -- and the kind of support he would need in a general election. he seems to rule you out, you seem to have ruled that out, but if he were to ask, what would you do? >> i am not interested, i am not interested in being vice president. i am running to be president. neil: all right. i know a lot of folks always say they're not interested in the number two job. invariably, they always a take the job if offered. [laughter] this looks like a different one because of the bad blood. but i look back at history, jfk and lbj had a lot of bad blood, so stranger things have end happened. joe biden and kamala harris come to mind in recent history. what do you think? >> listen, they all say that, and i don't think it's going to be offered. i do think it would be a good move and, certainly, democrats would not like that. remember, nikki haley did not run as a third party. i thought that was going to be an opportunity, so as far as the her future in the party, i'm very fascinated to see what her next move is. she hasn't endorsed trump yet, but with i do think that if in the off chance he asks nikki haley to be his vp, i think that would help trump in the pollings. remember, trump thinks he can win this by himself. neil: you know, of course, they'll replay all those tapes, right in all the conversations that nikki haley had and what donald trump had said about her, and they're going to keep plague them on a loop. now, americans are kind of used to that, and they see politicians who do 180s. you just don't see it happening. >> i don't. i think trump is going to pick someone who's been extremely loyal. and trump was offended that anyone ran against him being a former president in the primary, and he won wire to wire. so i don't with see it. i think tim scott's stock is rising at the moment. neil: oh, that's interesting. all right. we'll watch closely, bob. always a pleasure. >> thanks, neil. neil: this report, by the way, only in axios for the time being, but they've been pretty fresh if slept about -- fresh incident, so it is the getting a little bit of traction. we thought we'd pass it along. it's out there. in the meantime, it's out there that we've had nasty weather. that is not, of course, news to you. but how far this tornado outbreak in the south has affected the south with flooding and a lot worse, well, that is new. after this. ew projects come with questions. so, we have answers. like how to keep your yard looking lush. which paint color matches your bold style. and with the mylowe's rewards credit card, you can save 5% every day. you got this. and we got you. ♪operatic music♪ ♪ ♪ ♪♪ ♪ you were made to find inner peace. we were made to track flight prices to paradise. that have been given to, catastrophically injured veterans, first responders, gold star families. for a groundbreaking of their amenity center. every aspect of this building has been designed with accessibility in mind. we've got an indoor gymnasium, we've got pools that have ramp access for all of our residents to be able to use them. this is going to have a rehabilitation center aquatic therapy, it■s going to have recreational therapy. got an entire children's neverland village you name it. you name it. we've built it here. i'm really looking forward to the adaptable workout equipment. it's going to be a lot of interaction with other veterans, which is good for me. this village will allow us to share and open up more. you see where every bit of your money goes. i see it as the center, you know it■s a beacon right here of what the american people has backed through tunnel to towers until you see it yourself, you will not how far your eleven dollar donation will go. neil: it has been a devastating week for tornadoes not only in the south and the midwest, but spreading into areas that certainly wouldn't be seeing them at least this early this year. tallahassee, florida, center point of that in the latest batch with. brandy campbell is there with more. >> reporter: hey, neil. just across the u.s. there's been at least 109 confirmed tornadoes and now florida getting its share, unfortunately. so far we know of at least four ray to have- radar-confirmed tornadoes, and we're awaiting official confirmation from the local national weather service. this is the damage that we're seeing here in tallahassee. a lot of large trees have been taken undown. this city known for its tree canopy but also coming down with it power lines. now with us we have the mayor of tallahassee, john daly. thank you so much for joining us here. first, what's your initial reaction to the damage here? i know you said it's been maybe 10 years since you've seen anything like this? >> no doubt this has been the worst with storm we've seen in 10 years, and the damage is excessive. we're working really hard to put the city back together. >> reporter: i know there's just under 1000,000 power outages across the panhandle, majority of those here in leon county. what should people know as far as restoration goes? >> so over the course of the past 24 hours we've brought in an additional 2000 crews from all across -- 200 crews from across the united states, we have tripled our work force, we're expecting another 100 personnel today. look, we are tallahassee strong, or we are going to put this city back together, but it's going to take some time. we've suffered a lot of damage. >> reporter: thank you so much for joining us live. i do want to also note outside of the neighborhoods we're also seeing some of the damage to college campuses, three universities. but also the local schools, they had classes that were canceled yesterday. so kids impacted. we'll have to wait and see when those schools do reopen, hope any on monday. again, a lot to clean up here as those storms roll through this week, and we'll have to stand by to see what weather looks like this upcoming week as may known for severe weather. neil? if. neil: brandy, thank you for that. brandy campbell in florida on on all of thatful in the meantime, there have been storms on the sup, and you might say, all right, that's good to know, but in this case, they have been record solar storm, the likes of which some of the flares are eight times the diameter of the earth itself. so these are big, these are massive, and they're causing all types of disruptions not only to cell phone service and a lot of generators that are affected by this and grids, but it goes on and on from there. the flip is that you get something beautiful like the northern lights, something that you normally don't see except in far northern points. some people were seeing as far south as florida and alabama. if let's get the latest from no ark a's -- noaa's weather prediction center. sean, what is causing all of this massive disruption here? >> good morning, neil. thanks for having us on the show. it's great that you're helping keep the public informed about space weather. that's what we have going on here. a blast of solar material left the sun several days ago. they've continued to do so. even again last night we a had another one depart the sun, and when they arrive at a earth, they interact with our protective magnetic barrier and, boom, that's when you get these light to shows of the aurora a in the sky, and you begin to have impacts in the form of the technologies that that we rely on. neil: and that can be disrupted, right in it's okay with the northern lights because they're beautiful to watch. some of these disruptions to our grids and cell service, you begin to wonder whether, you know, we're prepared for that. are we? >> yes, sir, we are prepared for that. the government's been involved in this for the last 10 years now, and they continue to do so. and it's great that they're doing that because now're even better -- we're even better prepared for these storms. even now we're still reaching g5, the top of our 11-5 scale -- 1-5 scale, and we are aware of impacts and effects, but most of them have been able to be mitigated because we kept them informed, and they were able to make the prop if e adjustments, changes or corrections. neil: how long will people be able to catch this northern lights effect in obviously, it was beautiful for a lot of states i see for missouri, alabama a, it's mississippi, some of these locales that are coming in. of london, virtually all of europe has seen it. for how long, do you think? >> we're expecting this type of activity through the weekend and perhaps even into monday now with this latest departure from the sun. whether or not we get to the extreme levels again after these, this particular set of cm if es widens -- winds down, i think currently we're forecasting a g3 which is still significant which means people can still see the aurora a in the night sky, especially over the northern half of our country. right now it's lit up over the far western pacific, and it looks like it's going to continue to do so over asia and europe, and we'll see if we get to see the show again tonight so, everybody, stay tuned. neil: yeah. hope you don't have clouds, right? that was a big bummer in new york, i know, at least in the new york area. beautiful weather today, is we'll see what happens. sean, thanks -- >> yeah, absolutely. neil: -- for explaining all of that, the good and the bad that comes with it. in the meantime, the controversy around joe biden's decision to withhold some arms to riles. -- to israel. a lot of republicans are very angry about that. but they're not all republicans. a top democrat after this. here take a free shot go ahead knock yourself out. your about to get served. seriously? get allstate, save money, and be better protected from mayhem like me. believe it or not baby... you could earn your... master's... for under 11 thousand! master's degree for under 11k in less than a year. earn your competency - based master's at university of phoenix. with absorbine pro, pain won't hold you back from your passions. it's the only solution with two max-strength anesthetics to deliver the strongest numbing pain relief available. so, do your thing like a pro, pain-free. absorbine pro. neil: all right, president biden out on the west coast right now, but he's been deviled by protesters and the like who are not too keep on the way he's been handling some of the anti-israel protests. some say he goes too far siding with israel, and and others say he doesn't go far enough protecting and defending israel. and in the middle of that, some fund raising. lucas tomlinson at the white house with how all of that is going down marley when it comes to weapons he will or will not give them. to you, my friend. >> reporter: that's right, neil. many were with critical of president biden for not talking, announcing the the decision to withhold weapons until after he gave that holocaust speech on tuesday. here he is on cnn. >> hay go into rafah, i'm not supplying the weapons that have been used historically to deal with rafah, to deal with the cities, to deal with that problem. we're going to continue to make sure israel is secure in terms of iron dome and their ability to respond to attacks. >> reporter: and here's democratic senator john fetterman from pennsylvania. >> when you have the kind of enemy that has no conditions or, you know, morals or decency or any copied of a bottom -- kind of a bottom, i don't think we should have any if kind of conditions. >> reporter: yesterday democratic congressman jared moskowitz, who is one of the 26 democrats who wrote a letter to bidens' national security adviser to protest the president's decision to withhold the weapons, you spoke with him yesterday, neil. here's what he said. >> if you're hamas and you're watching american television, you're seeing what's going on on college campuses, right, and now you're seeing, obviously, the messaging in the united states start to change, there's not more pressure on you to release the hostages, there's less. the only pressure we see is pressure on israel. >> reporter: many republicans are agree and say president biden's decision to withhold those weapons only favors hamas. here's senator tom cotton posting on x, quote, president biden's attack on israel has encouraged hamas to keep the host. ages including americans. his de facto position is a hamas victory. 133 hostages remain in gaza today, neil, under hamas' captivity and, of course, that includes, as the senator mentioned, some americans. neil? neil: lucas tomlinson, thank you very much. if we want to go to washington state democratic congressman adam smith, sits on the house armed services committee, ranking member, in fact. congressman, this is more of a general question, but do you think the president is threading the needle a bit too much if i can sort of mix nose metaphors -- those metaphors, that he's being too careful, and he's not really winning over those who support pal. stipjanuarys or those who support israel? and he's losing on both ends? >> one important point here, i don't think he's trying to win over necessarily any particular electoral bloc. he's trying to come up with the right policy. so let's -- neil: it's a good thing, because he's not winning them over, right? >> understood. but the policy here is too important to be bogged down in politics. look, the biggest problem here is the lack of clarity on what the policy is. i mean, even in your report you mentioned precision-guided weapon. i have spoken with a number of different officials at the white house, and their claim is that they are only slowing down the delivery of 2,000-pound dumb bombs, all right? why isn't that message clear? and i don't think the president made it clear during his interview on cnn. so i think they need to clarify that policy. but at the same time, they're clearly supporting israel. we're till shipping arms to israel. we're still supporting them. but i think the message is a problem, and i can't disagree with congressman moskowitz who said hamas right now is the block to the ceasefire. the pressure, some pressure needs to be on hamas to agree to that, and this reduces that. and i, you know, i can't argue that that's not a problem right now. neil: i just wonder9 if the president gets that. and you raise a very good point, congressman, you know? this is often times in the eyes of the of bee holder or. other presidents have tone the exact same thing -- done the exact same thing. the difference, as far as i understand, i looked into the history of this, is they don't do it in realtime, and you don't know about it live with everything that's going on. you find out about it later. this almost seemed to be designed to let the world and israel know it in realtime. and humiliate them. maybe that was not the intention, but clearly humiliate them in the process. >> yeah, i think humiliate is way too strong a word. but -- neil: that's how they feel. i read the jerusalem post every day, and that sums up pretty much how they feel. >> that doesn't mean they're right, or okay? at the same time that a we're shipping them all of the weapons is and supporting them overwhelmingly, i don't agree with that word. if that's how they feel, they were recheck where our relationship is at. it's much, much stronger than that -- neil: so when you hear -- >> sorry, sorry, i've got to -- neil: -- alone, congressman, that reflects not only humiliation, but just complete i'm done with this. >> sure. let me answer your question though because i think that's important. look, you know, originally it wasn't supposed to be public. there, and these sales go back, like, two, three years now as they're working their way through the process. and the decision that was made and was communicated to israel privately was to slow them up. and that was only for the 22,000-pound, non-- 2,000-pound, non-precision-guided weapons. that story was leaked reportedly by israel, and then i it became protect. and that's fine, but the president's public statement was, obviously, a very public statement. let me say i don't have a problem with telling israel you shouldn't drop 22,000-pound -- 2,000-pound dumb bombs on rafah. but there are ways to do that without going through the difficulties that we have right now. and while i don't agree with the humiliation comment, as we discussed earlier, certainly it is the wrong signal to be sending the hamas right now to make this public. originally, it wasn't supposed to be public. it wound up being public, and i think that has caused problems, without question. neil: do you think, congressman, that president biden needs a bill clinton sister soulya moment to take on this group that has been sort of dominating the headlines and say you went too far here? to advocate for the destruction of israel is a privilege if a too far? he's not doing that. you call that threading the needle, you can call that trying to cautiously move to the next level, whatever you want. but bill clinton took on the wing of the party that had dominated the party. he did okay doing that. >> yeah. i have communicated similar thoughts to senior white house people. this is the policy. the policy is that we're supporting israel because they have a right to defend themselves, because the threat that hamas presents. we should be stronger in supporting that policy. now, and i would say that, yeah, he's not threading the needle as well as he should right now because you have to communicate strength behind that policy. you can't look like you're not sure about it, all right? at the same time, you have to communicate sympathy for the humanitarian crisis in gaza. and i think what the president is doing, continuing to supply massive amount as of arms toes israel so they can defend themselves and advocating for more humanitarian assistance to gaza, is appropriate. but that does need to be communicated more clearly. i, you know, i can't disagree with you on that point. neil: all right. we'll see what happens. congressman, always good having you. have a safe weekend. >> thanks, neil, appreciate it. neil: all right. want to take a looked at wildwood, new jersey. of course, the former president, donald trump, will be campaigning there. this is in the south part of new jersey. it's not all that the far from pennsylvania, so you've not sort of a double bamming for your political buck -- bang for your political buck. but a lot of people have been attack tacking me on the protests on italian sausage grinders. my fond ifness for them out of wild shows that i'm not honoring my diet or remembering the fact that i had open heart surgery. one viewer told me, neil, think less about italian grinders and more about a salad. i've already how about it, and i've moved on to the grinders. after this. we're talking about cashbackin. not a game. not a game! we're talking about cashbackin. we're talking about cashbackin. we're not talking about practice? 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neil: incredible. griff, thank you very much for that report. seeing you right after this show. i'm a mere warm-up act a, my friend. i want to go to chris cabrera, national border patrol council vice president. you've warned about this, you said it's getting danger. now we have the proof, but we tonight have much of a reaction. what grow make of it? >> you know, i think it's par for the course, you know? it's unfortunate, but these incidents happen a lot more than actually get reported in the news. we, as a government, tend to do nothing about a it, so it just emboldens them to keep taking those steps forward. and eventually one of us is going to get hurt, which is completely unacceptable. neil: you know what's scary about all that, chris, you know this far better than i, the shots from coming from the mexican side of the border. whether that's cartels which have gotten pretty bold or others, tells you what you're dealing with, doesn't it? >> yeah. it people speaks volumes. you know, i think everybody when they're dealing with anything border related is getting extremely bold because whether it's them shooting at us, them running from us in a car chase or them coming in droves, assaulting us, whatever may happen we lack teeth to do anything about it. so it's becoming an open season on border patrol agents because they know that the federal government's not going to stand up and do the right thing by the border or the border patrol agents. neil: you know, i'm just wondering there's all sorts of talk if donald trump were to get back in the white house, he's talked about a virtual lockdown there at the border, how would something like that work? >> yeah. as far as locking everything down, i think it's pretty simple. it's mandatory detention, mandatory removal. once you start sending everybody back, they know the gravy train's over, they stop coming. it happened in 2005, 2004-2005 with the expedited removal. they found a deferent loop hole. we have yet to close that loophole that's been open for quite a while. once you close that and get serious about it, people will stop coming because they know they're not getting release into the country. neil: well, i do know the biden administration has these new rules in effect or introducing them for asylum seekers. i don't know if that's effective who, once they hear it, they think twice about coming. that doesn't seem to be happening, or maybe they just haven't heard the news what's going on. >> yeah, you know, i think part of it is the news, but the big part of it is, is it going to be enforced. we can tell people til we're blue in the force, hey, don't come. if you come, we're going to send you back. if we don't send them back, they're still going to come. so the rule is meaningless unless it's enforced. neil: so where do you see this going? i mean we're having this summer, it's going to get god awful hot, very dangerous. these cartels are involved the likes of which and the degree do which we've never seen in the past. many more coming from many more cups. play if it out. >> yeah, you know, it's going to get -- you talk about getting hot, two days ago it was 108 here in the rio grande valley. it's already hot down here. it seems like texas is already preheating. neil: yeah. >> but it's going to get worse. more people are going to come, and more people are going to die, and it's unfortunate. unfortunately, i don't think this administration cares. they say they care about a people coming into this cup, about migration as they call it, but if they cared, they'd put a stop to it. hundreds of people are going to die in the summer just from heat alone. neil: well, it is now among the biggest issues for americans of all types in all regions, in all parts of this country. so obviously, it's fairly important to voters. we'll watch it closely, chris. thank you very much. good seeing you. all right, in the meantime, want to update you what's going on in political races. you know, of course, about the president who's going to be busy on the west coast fund raising, you know, obviously, what's going on right now with donald trump appearing in wildwood, new jersey, later today. but you're probably not paying as much attention to senate races including the distinct possibility that a blue seat could turn redding very red e, in maryland. we're on that after this. she . but who passed them to her? 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this is apple doing that. the touchy-feely company with all the cool products and the easy to use products and the artful, elegant products. this is something, i know this has been message mentioned, i can't imagine steve jobs writing off on this, but i do know this kind of stuff goes through various e channels and lot of people, just like the bud with wiser ad did. -- budweiser ad did. what happens with that? >> that the tease the issue, is it went through all of these layers, and everybody cheered it on including, of course, tim cook, the ceo, who's a fantastic ceo and done amazing things to apple. everybody signed off on it, and it didn't occur to anybody what bob with dylan or picasso would think of an ad like this. because the mentality right now in silicon valley does line up with this, and it's fine in. cupertino, okay? but i if you're in ohio or michigan or alabama and you're worried about a i might be replaced by a.i. or offshoring or people coming across the border, that ad taps right into that. now, i truly e believe that this will pass, and if apple's e pad is everything that they say it is, they'll sell plenty of ipads. but i think the real message ises this is not just about ap. this is tech tapping into something that's really important and happening in our country right now. and i realize it's sort of, like, maybe sort of crazy to elevate an ad up to something that's an important social issue here: but the slow crushing, almost like the torturing of all those instruments and books and stuff is how a lot of people are feeling right now, neil. neil: yeah, no, i think you're right. but to do it with a cher song the finish. >> and i do like that. i have to give them that. neil: professor, thank you very much. we're following on that, again, apple has discontinued the ads, you can only see it on youtube, some of these other places, but it stands in the iconic lexicons of ads that just went wrong. in the meantime, could it it go wrong when we take a look at various efforts to try, for democrats at least, to present an image that they're in charge, things are going okay, and enthen all of these protests juxtaposed against an election less than six months ago. does it remind you you of a certain year? 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