Over the years. Again, im not a Law Enforcement tactician, but it is strange that how long we have waited here and decisionmaking protocols a part of that. The unfolding situation as they discover more intelligence about the way the encampment is set up, what if any weapons are in the encampment. Law enforcement are confused as to why this is taking so long. That is the bottom line. Its taking a long time. More than 24 hours since we saw a riot in that very spot take place and nothing in effect has been done since then. Todd were all confused. Jonathan hunt, thank you. 2 01 pacific time. This is thursday morning, you are looking live at campus of ucla, right now lapd and california Highway Patrol are c confronting protesters on the campus of ucla. The most recent information it appeared the lapd was retreating after initially moving in on some of the ucla protesters. Bring in william at the ucla campus for the latest on what hes seeing. William. Todd, they might be redeploying, weve been here about an hour and bill has been on lockdown, we have been around the perimeter and there are at least 1000 protest supporters in the area. The police line, squirmish line, to protect the six other officers if they approach from this direction. There are a number of different entry points into the cencampmet itself. There are several hundred more, basically 360 quad area of the m mall, if you will. They come armed with bats, helmets, gas masks around the perimeter. They are waiting. When police make their movement, we dont know what these people are going to do, thats a mystery. It is a volatile situation, they are saying police, kkk, from the from the river to the sea, free palestine, they are sympathetic to who you are seeing. The things you have been talking about, inkonconsistency we have seen temperature is up to Chancellor Gene Block and Michael Block what happens here. They inn invited police, it is a question, do they go in. If they go in to make an assault hoo here, bill and i have been here since monday or tuesday, The University allow them to r reinforce. They spent yesterday bringing in plywood, zip ties to prevent anyone doing what the Counter Protesters did last night. You would need a bear cat to get through there. We dont know the plan for police, how they will do it. They barricaded doors On Royse Hall and the library here. Around the perimeter, several entry points they can go in. Narrow corridors and you are not sure police want to get caught in that situation, they are packed with supporters of the people on the inside. In terms of what happens next, we dont know. It is declared unlawful and allowed people to resupply, they did nothing to weed out the outsiders. You can see people in there, they are not students, they are in their 40s, 50s and 60s and uc president Michael Block called it unlawful and hours later he said he needed to make an investigation why it took police so long to respond. Vice chancellor said there was no Police Presence here and the hypocrisy of those saying we dont want lapd and they were assaulted by Counter Protesters, they complained, where is police to protect us. Crazy things going on as to how this has been handled. Todd from the regents c culpability, have a chancellor, it is regents that call the police. Uc berkeley is basically under attack and on it is screen, we are watching, helicopter shot, it appears lapd moving in formation, running in formation, apology if that is incorrect, it definitely shows activity. William, you have been a reporter for decades, what has changed in the hour that you have been on scene . Middle of your live shot, we definitely heard increase in volume from the crowd, the sence in Reporter Instinct you have, how has it changed in the last 60 minutes . Actually last three days, the encampment was here and definitely dislocated a lot of students, they had to go around, closed the library until monday, the campus was going on. Today it was pretty quiet, they cancelled classes. What we are seeing now, remarkably different. It was Obvious Police were going to make a move, people came out of the woodwork. Around the circumferrence who are sympathetic to those inside. A lot of them wanted police to move in, they want to return to their studies. This is a major disturbance. There is four weeks until commencement. If people got hurt after the Counter Protest, they are responsible for safety ofun stereos. If somebody gets hurt, they will get in trouble. Rock and hard spot, do you bring in police . L. A. Police and sheriffs will not dedicate resources for this campus and Campus Police could not protect it. The security they brought in was to protect buildings, not remove people. Counter protesters came in and Campus Police scattered, The University cant depend on local Law Enforcement forever. This is their problem, not lapd problem. They brought them in to help clean up a problem and they have their back up against the wall. The Board Of Regents will meet on friday to discuss what is going on at ucla, uc berkeley and riverside. The chancellor of ucla will make the call whether to go in or dont, after calling everyone out, i think they will do something. Todd friday may be too late, maybe have this discussion yesterday so were not having the same discussion on air today. William, thank you, stay there, we will check back in with you. Bring in retired sergeant, Betsy Smith Scomb and rob demico. During williams live shots, we saw lapd entering a building. Take us inside the mindset of Law Enforcement, particularly this notion of retreat that seems like a passive word, not a positive word. Far be it from me to comment on Law Enforcement tactics, what is happening with Law Enforcement and chp right now . Remember, leadership is in the chancellor, mayor, governor, boots on the ground cops we are seeing right now, they are following orders. It seems to be confusing as to what the others are. Look at the cops, they have been standing for several hours. You have seen them look at watches, ready to go with gas m masks and flex cups, they want to do something. I know every cop on that campus right now is thinking, am i going to get indicted for doing my job this morning . What is going to happen when i do take action . You have serious Squirmish Lines like bill talked about, arrest teams, perimeter teams, this is a huge operation. A very dangerous operation. Everything everyone is seeing on the screen is a weapon. They have those posts, the hammers, wood, the things they should not have been allowed to have. This situation was allowed to get Out Of Control and now the Law Enforcement, who protesters want to abolish has to come in and clean it up. This is leadership fail beyond Law Enforcement. Todd everybody has a camera these days, waiting to create a viral label, of what they label and call police brutality, it is not police brutality, they are following orders and trying to protect these people from themselves. Rob, former fbi agent, what is the bureau doing if anything to response to protest . We mention lapd, local, chp, california Highway Patrol, that is state. What are feds, being led by the fbi, doing right now . I think right now issue they are providing support, but on The Other Side, they are probably looking at online communication. Talk about agitators coming in and people agitating the ones that are there and planning stuff. We are probably looking at Communications Going on between the groups to see if it is organized across the country or from outside the country to see if they are planning something more violent through the people. Todd betsy, im curious with tactics, i know this scene fairly well, our reporters, bill melugin and william described this well. The area where protesters are is basically a Football Field Temperature is a Football Field surrounded by buildings, not actual Football Field, a College Green area. It is surrounded by tall buildings. Bring us to the Tactician Element of all this. What will Law Enforcement do as physical setup . Green area, size of Football Field surrounded by buildings with steep steps to the left. Stay close together, keep an eye on each other. We want protesters safety, we also have to consider officer safety. This is not just college students, there are outside agitators. Good chance what happens is nefarious characters start to move in, gang bangers, people who want to deal drugs and hurt cops, sexually assault young women. No idea what is in the crowd, 23409 just a bunch of cheering college students. We have to keep an eye on each other and communicate and this is difficult because you have three, four, five, six different Law Enforcement agencies. Stick to our task. If im perimeter officer, stay on perimeter. If im on the team that moves into the building, be on that team. This is such an Adrenalin Dump for these cops, they have all been trained to do this, but when you walk into the unknown chaos and again, i cant emphasize enough, they do not have the kind of Leadership Support by their leadership, governor, chancellor, everybody else, the mayor. They have to think, i have got to act so flawlessly here, it will be on tape, no matter what i do, it will be used to further insight the situation. Todd rob, you heard betsy mention the characters, you eluded to online work the fbi is doing to pinpoint ties to terror and the like. How worried are you when you watch a scene like this unfolding, where Law Enforcement is focused on the things betsy just mentioned, how worried are you that a scene like this and at columbia and all over the land is right for a Terror Attack from a lone wolf jumping into the chaos to sow more chaos . I think that is their main goal. They have been doing this across the nation for the Information War. More and more violence they can stir up between the two, they get end result they want. When you see these starting to happen at certain periods of time across the country, that is goal to get on the news like they are now. When they can stir up violence in it, they can say the police overreacting, they dont have to be true. They will take one thing, doesnt have to be true, they will run with it, like we saw in gaza, Information War coming from hamas. Todd beyond that, are you worried we could see these scenes being used as opportunity for Terror Attack. Not saying while were on air, another day of this, powers that be let this foment. Could see lone wolf seizing on this to create a Terror Attack or use this as dry run for one in the future . Oh, absolutely. When you see these crowds and everything going on and based on what was happening in new york, they made plans altering what they are doing. You have that and you have the lone wolf actor that may take the opportunity to get into this and it is his or her opportunity to do something that they want to personally get that response from. Todd betsy 5 16 on the east coast, 2 16 on west coast, many more hours for the sun, how does that play into the calculus . Do you want it light out, dark out . Are there benefits and detriment to both . In this situation, operating in the light would be easier for Law Enforcement professionals. Strobe lights are difficult on eyesight. Were i the Police Leader in dh charge, i might button up that perimeter with all that personal and look at, cut off the wifi, maybe the water, power, stop allowing them to enter and exit and wait them out and ultimately starve them out, that might be better tactic. Every one of these Police Departments there you noare shortstaffed already thanks to the defund the Police Movement and they are taking Police Resources away from the city and county to deal with this n nonsense that was selfcreated by The University. Todd that is taxpayer dollars, misuse of taxpayer dollars. You need the cops on campus, you could have avoided this if there was some real leadership somewhere in the state of california. Thank you for your time. Bring in criminal defense attorney lexi rigdon. Those individuals are responsible from enforcing the law on the ground. What are legal ramifications for students and Outsi Outsidagitato might be arrested at ucla . Right, hopefully they will be. You name it, smoergace smoros smorgasboard. We have seen soft on crime policy and charges are not pursued. This is general comment, not necessarily campus protest, general comment as to lack of enforcement when it gets to the level of charging them. Protesters may get a slap on the wrist, a summon s to come to court, who knows how serious, hope there are consequence because this is egregious. Todd this is a public campus and anybody quite frankly, has a right to be on it. That gives protesters even another feather in their cap to fight the charges in addition to Money Spigget turned on by far leftist operations to pay for their defense. They have a right to be on campus, it is a Public University and there are free speech rights, free speech has a point, famous thing, you cant yell fire in a crowded theater if there is no fire. Free speech is not absolute, there are restrictions. If you are making comments and engaging in speech and breaking the law, fact you are engaging in free speech will not save you from facing consequences. Todd you and i have talked on and off air about this general concept, macro concept of law and order. Looking at the scenes now, what you see is complete function of the fact our society has lost sight of when you do something wrong, there are consequences and to hear your answer, you are exactly right, i dont like your answer, you are right, inevitably, this is a slap on the wrist for these people. Who will stop them from doing this again and what is to stop every other student who thinks they are aggrieved, every other person who thinks they are aggrieved and making our country look horrible. It really does. A lot of schools and it seems like higher elite institutions have more tolerance for this nonsense. Sad commentary there are this many people engaged in this type of protest, i venture to guess most of these students could name two countries that Border Israel and now putting their future and education on the line to be popular and be part of some cause. I almost have more respect if they were showing their faces and out there not making demands, dont suspend us. We are willing to risk everything for this. They are not, they are masked and trying to hide themselves and make demands to pro serve their educational future, sad state of affairs. Todd there are no consequences, hopefully there are consequences to this action to tap it down. If you asked protesters now, most still couldnt find israel or gaza and couldnt find it on a map. Bring back william back live at the ucla campus. William, what are you seeing right now . Todd, there has not been much change. The big question is what is this crowd going to do if and when police move in for a Frontal Assault. There are about 1000 people here, they are not quite as vocal at the moment. There are still students along Side Corridors that enter the camp in different spots, those are plugged up with different individuals. What are they going to do . Will they go through the building or through the front or backside. What about the other oaudience f taxpayers . The university is trying to please student body, alum nis, i spent my student there and they are not getting education or going to class, do not postpone until monday and closing buildings and you have taxpayers who will have to pay for the clean up, i have been in the buildings, there is graffiti on the wall, it is a mess. The university between a rock and hard spot, because of Counter Protest to both sides with the number of clubs and bats and gas and fireworks and those things happening, the University Said we have liability here. If we let this go on, dont get me wrong, they are mostly responsible for the situation we have here. There was piece in l. A. Times on sunday and University Congratulating itself for taking handsoff approach. We will not be texas. They made the decision to let this happen and they have to live with consequences. They did not want to bring in police, they did not do it and now they have to bring in police and worse situation as this encampment is reinforced itself, bringing in zip ties, tying the fences together, are you crazy, letting them resupply . They chose not to do a