You breaking News Coverage continues this are good afternoon everyone im Martha Maccallum and this is clearly the story of the afternoon. We are about one hour past the deadline where students were supposed to leave the encampment at columbia. They were supposed to pack up and get out of there as sandra pointed out classes are remote there is no reason for any student to be on campus right now at columbia. That was their original wave try to break this up but they are defiant. As we just heard from some leadership a little while ago pack they feel that they are the ones who have rights. They talked about their right to graduate. They talked about how the sea their rates been trampled on by the university. Stunning statements we heard a few short minutes ago. They will face suspension columbia says from this Ivy League School if they dont follow the rules of the university which they dont seem to have any regard for at this point. We are also seeing packets but this puts me know, university of texas a Public University we do see state Law Enforcement on the campus there facing off with students. Its peaceful so far but, you know, these are the kind of scenes that remind people of the vietnam protests where we did see clashes between lawenforcement and students on campuses. Even deadly ones and ohio if you go back to that period. Obviously they are working hard to keep these in the situation and to keep people safe but the rules are being trampled on and and austen its a different situation then at columbia. We are watching this split screen. This whole thing has spread like wildfire. We are seeing new College Encampments every single day making this environment unbearable for many jewish students. Many have left the campus and are not being protected by the school. Not being protected by Law Enforcement to be able to proceed to their classrooms and leave their dorms and live safely. Many protesters are calling for an end to israel so where does this all end . Watch this. [ chanting ] martha that was the scene in Athens Georgia at the university. Campus Police Arrested protesters today after refusing to leave. Marcus denning backpack Alexis Mcadams covering the live Breaking News at Columbia University this our. Hello alexis. Hi martha i. Its past 3 00 ray . Still the protesters are out here. I will walk you closer here you can see the Casa Solidarity Encampment week of watching here for several days. By now you wouldve thought when you get told you are suspended and you can graduate you will be out of here. But they are showing appeared not only inside, take a look outside. This is whats happening just outside columbias gates where there calling on the university to have complete transparency for all of columbias investments and amnesty for all student and faculty disciplined or fired in this movement that bases for the pounds to new liberation here. As we heard a short time ago from some students lead to the charge here echo me sabr not going anywhere or breaking down the sink at meant even though its past the deadline until the school goes with their demands. I thank a lot of questions people have here will go to the school at her looking for graduation. Their parents who pay all this money to send them to Columbia University in new york fact whos in charge here . Is of the present of the university or students setting up the encamp and squeak will walk you closer to this way as well you can sea some signs that say palestine must be free. You cannot cover genocide. And if we can shoot over here a little bit, you can sea some students walking here around campus. This is kind of a new frontier, they walk around and chant than more students add in. A lot of them have masks on. We check in with a few of them but they dont talk the media. They say the media is also complicit in genocide at this point at they dont have anything to say to us. Is difficult to hear about their movement when they wont talk to us but the president is saying she is going to have more information around 6 00 pm tonight. The nypd told me in sources they are on standby but this is a private campus, they cannot move in here and arrest any students like we saw the other day unless they get that call from the nypd. But they tell me there on standby and ready to come in with zip ties yet again to arrest more students. Martha and a quick question you said we will hear from the president around 6 00 but the statement she put out earlier said you had two choices at 2 00. You assigned a form and remain not suspended on campus, or he would be suspended. So, do you see any of that taking place anywhere . No. I havent seen that at all. Always sees people marching around calling for this. I think thats right, when youre told he will get in trouble and you dont get in trouble why wouldnt you just keep doing it again . We havent seen any action but will keep you posted. Martha lets bring in mark deason, American EnterpriseInstitute Senior fellow washington fox news can trigger. Good to have you. Her words are worthless at this point. She has allowed them to break every single barrier that she has set down or time limit she is set down. It doesnt seem like the president is in charge but nothing at this point mark. Know she has lost control of her campus and she is not doing right by the students. The vast majority of hidden or not engaged in this behaviour. These students dont seem to get the irony that there protesting what they incorrectly call an illegal occupation by engaging in an illegal occupation. They dont even get that the doing exactly what they condemn. And they also dont understand how the First Amendment works. It gives you the right of Freedom Of Speech and freedom of assembly, they are interfering with the right of Free Assembly of the rest of the students on the campus to go to their classrooms. There interfering with the Free Assembly rates of their students to go to their graduation and celebrate four years of hard work. Their interfering the first minute does give the right to again engage and Disorderly Conduct and disrupt the lives of everyone else around you. It also doesnt protect you from the consequences of doing that. So if these kids get kicked out of school and everyone should be, they should be kicked out of school. Thats the consequence of your action, you dont have a right to graduate if you behave this way. You dont have a right to be in columbia if you behave this way. I dont know her name but there is a Student Speaking with the press moments ago and said Something Like they are stepping on our right to graduate and i thought to myself no one has a right to graduate. You are in your Graduation Rate . I dont know about you but when i was in school if you broke the rules you kicked out of school. You know, we all know people that happened to. But its stunning to me that this president doesnt speak out she said this and a letter but the letter has no teeth because it doesnt seem to be happening although this is austin where there taking people not new york. But she said in a letter basically we all have a right to be here and we need to tolerate each others different opinions on thanks. But you cant deflect the rights of these other students. The jewish students are all at home and these students have taken over. No one is standing up for their rights. Echo back to the black children and arkansas that Police Officers protected their right to go to class and made sure they could enter building. Wise that not happening here mark we. First of all this young lady i dont think she has been in class recently. Im pretty sure she is not sitting in her tent writing papers. So you dont have a right to graduate if you dont do youre work and you disrupt the rates of other students to do their work and go to class. In terms of what you just said the, the other day it extended its transfer deadline because it wanted to make sure there was Space Available for jewish students who felt unsafe. Can you imagine if Howard University was forced to stand his transfer deadline because black students were being harassed in the way these students are . Could you imagine what the black lives Matter Movement would do if black students had to leave campus because White Supremacists occupied the Central Square . Its absurd. Martha its a very good analogy. If that were happening, you know, or if gay students were told they can be on campus, can you imagine . So why is this okay happening to jewish students and 2024 . There is so little understanding when they talk about the occupation. Any of these students could listen to you right now, what would you say to them . To help them understand your perspective on a, maybe not there is but your perspective. While you have a right to have youre views. You have a right to be pro hamas and a right to express those things. You dont have a right to do and a way that interferes with the rights of other people to express their views and attend school for example you have a right to protest but you dont have a right to block a bridge and interfere with the safety people trying to get from one place to another to save lives. You dont have a right to engage in Disorderly Conduct. The First Amendment doesnt give you license to do whatever the heck you want in order to disrupt other peoples lives. Martha let me play some sound for you this is from over the weekend. Some of these protests. Listen specifically to whats being said. It is one person, we are seeing a lot of signs and Different Things but listen to this. Go back to europe israel will cease to exist if not for the u. S. [ cheering ] martha so you hear them cropping at the idea israel would cease to exist. There saying the u. S. Needs to withdraw all of our support and that will help them reach their goal which would be an nonexistent israel. The first man who is pushing back yelling, back to europe go back to poland thats where you really from. What would you say to that man . Can you imagine if there was a bunch of White Supremacists occupied campus and saying from sea to shining sea america well be free of black people. Go back to africa. Go back. You dont belong here. There should be no black people in this country, thats what theyre saying about israel and the equivalent. I will tell you the reason these protests are growing the way they are is because they are working martha, theyre having an impact and their pressuring the biden administration. It is responding by pressuring israel. Today tony blank end is an the middle east. They were supposed to do it months ago but they have held off. If youre one of these protesters why would you stop . It is working. Biden is afraid of you and he is listening to you. Biden is doing what he wants what you want him to do he is pressuring israel to stop their attack on hamas. Why would you quit . You should keep going because he is listening. Martha it seems absolutely. The protesters are winning at the white house and we know there were protests within the white house and, you know, President Biden was pretty staunch and his support initially. Weve seen that sort of change over time to something less but what about the issue of gaza . What about what they call the occupation of gaza . What would you say to them about that . The political reality on the ground between israel and occupation of gaza . First of all there is no occupation of gaza, israel voluntarily pulled out its troops and handed it over into thousand five. They elected hamas. Second of all they see ceasefire, there was a ceasefire october 6th. Israel didnt break the ceasefire, it was hamas that did it. And it was hamas heading hiding behind children and innocent civilians. If you look at ukraine pack their subways in ukraine where civilians have gone while troops are on the ground protecting the country, the civilians are in the tunnels. In gaza it is the opposite. Hamas is in the tunnels and force the civilians on the top to phase the bombs because they are using them as human shields. These people are monsters. There is never going to be peace or longterm in the longterm solution so long as hamas is allowed to exist. If you want peace and you claim you want but they wont dont want palestinian state they would all be. They chant we dont want freak out so we what all of it. We want all of it. So they are not even interested in it but there wont be peace as long as hamas exists. Let me ask you something else. We dont hear much about the seven Americans Still being held. There is a video of him recently and besought another of an american over the weekend. Thirtythree americans were killed when hamas stormed into israel. I dont know how much these students know or care about those american lives that it been lost at the hands of hamas but if they dont know or understand it maybe some of them do and are fine with it, im not sure, but, you know, what could we expect the president to say or dew . You wrote speeches for an american president , what could president do to help understanding all of this . There is no understanding with these people. There is no negotiating with these people, their radicals and some are marxists. Their pro hamas. You literally see kids holding flags with guns and rockets on then. You see them wearing Hamas Headbands and harassing jews. They are not people to be negotiated with or reason with. But the president ought to do is what bill quentin did is to call these people out. Called them what they are, their pro terrorist supporters. Stand up to them because the fact the most damaging thing for joe biden, 54 of americans think he is making decisions on the basis of his domestic political concerns in the israel and hamas were not whats best for america. Martha one second, this is a jewish student at the austin campus. The rest of students allowed to be in class that makes no sense its against western values not just a jewish problem this is an american problem. Are you all students . Yes, i was just taking a final ad this is there try to scare jews off of campus. Im trying to do my final in the back on i hear them chanting for the death of israel and death of jews. Its complete the unacceptable. If they want peace they dont stand for anything like it. Israel is a democratic state, the only democracy in the middle east. At the end of the day they dont want jews on cap is there try to scare us off. They dont want us are. Well you be scared off . Absolutely not. Well not follow our history or lead like lambs to the slaughter. Dew you want to come back we. They are telling us to stay away at least my parents are. In my opinion im going right into it. We have to be strong at this time. History shows that we are strong weekend defend ourselves. Are you going to come back we of course. We are not going anywhere. This whole thing is a huge scare tactic. When you sea whats happening at other campuses across the country the administration doing nothing, were blessed to be at a school where they are happy to send in a police force and protect the rights of all students not just jewish students but anyone who might be at from protesters. Ive heard other jewish students today at appropriate stent and rally supporting this. What do you say to those classmates . Other jewish students. I think to them it definitely is upsetting as a jew because i think they arent educated. Type personally have been to Israel A Times and in on the border of lebanon and gaza and seen it all firsthand. Id love to talk to them and say what if using, where vb and . Have you heard Holocaust Survivors speak or victims of Terrorist Attacks speak . I think they are very misaligned and its a shame because they should be a part of the Jewish Community thats there to support them. And general hugh have a vary Leftist Lgbtq2ai population in that crowd. They have no idea what would happen if they were to step foot in palestine, they would be stoned and beheaded. Israel in fact is one of the only nations i believe the only nation in the middle east that supports lgbtq2ai people. I find it ridiculous that you have 70 people and that crowd that are so ignorant of this fact honestly. While very interesting comments from those students. That young woman saying that she is thankful she is at ut austin because they arent afraid to hold up the rules at the campus about protesting and what is allowed and not allowed. Infringing on other peoples rights. You are that young men say he is trying to take a final and he hears people outside saying death to israel. Thats a little distracting pack mark, when youre trying to do your exams. Very strong statements at a also think its inspiring when you think these jewish students who say im not going anywhere this is my campus to. I am entitled to the education that my family work hard to pay for and im not going anywhere. I think thats inspiring, mark. Oh my gosh so inspiring. Look at those kids they are so brave. They are so composed and there so articulate. And they are so determined. This is the thing i think pro hamas people dont understand. Jews are never going back to the days of the holocaust. There are no doors never going to be left defenceless and well never back down in the face of evil people trying to destroy them. Thats why israel is doing what its doing, they wont allow another holocaust. Hamas said they will intend to do that. It will not be end of their oct