down. to everybody, the whole bridge just collapsed. >> bill: the moment responding to the unthinkable, the moment baltimore police found out the bridge had gone down. perhaps how their quick thinking saved lives. a follow-up. got a lot to get to on this and more. asme owe bill hemmer. >> dana: i'm dana perino. six people working on that bridge are presumed dead after a runaway container ship plowed into it. the tragedy could have been worse. police reacted to the ship's mayday call. >> if we can stop traffic. make sure no one is on the bridge right now. i'm not sure. there is a crew up there. we have to notify the forman and see if we can get them off the bridge. >> bill: they suspended traffic at the port of baltimore. it may impact the supply chain. we'll talk about that and more with transportation pete buttigieg coming up in a few moments. >> dana: let's go to griff jenkins on the scene in baltimore. what did you learn this morning, griff? >> good morning, dana. we've learned the divers are in the frigid water as we speak now on a recovery mission with all six presumed now dead. to recap we know a total of eight people went in the water, two were rescued. six were lost. all were construction workers. a short time ago we were able to speak with maryland governor wes moore to talk about the quick action of the maryland transportation officials trying to put the word out to close the bridge. i asked him whether or not those construction workers were also warned. here is what he had to say. >> we warned workers, stopped traffic. kept cars from coming on the bridge. had these police officers and law enforcement officers not done that was whoa was a catastrophic incident would have been more catastrophic. >> as you look now at live pictures, the recovery effort continues but also the thoughts about how they get this debris and remove this fallen bridge out of the port to reopen it. it's costing $15 million a day for the port closure. some 140,000 jobs tied to it. governor moore sending out the best to them. the ntsb chair now on thou trying to open this investigation. here is a little bit of what she had to tell me about what they've gotten so far. listen. >> we do have the voyage data recorder right now, which we've sent back to the lab. it records everything from speed to location of the vessel. so we will be able to share what happened through a timeline of events leading up to the striking of the bridge. >> so a significant development there that they have black box, if you will. much like an airplane. the ships have data recorders. we'll find out what more we can learn today. no scheduled briefings. we expect one may pop up this afternoon. the singapore owners of the dali are arriving in baltimore today and see if we get to hear from them as well. >> dana: thank you so much. >> bill: now to the big news on a potential third party candidate. if he can gain access to the ballot robert kennedy introducing nichole shanahan. how a third party candidate could influence the outcompagno november. 2016 jill stein. pennsylvania, wisconsin, michigan. she how much votes she racked up and the difference the margin was between hillary clinton and donald trump? the same year in 2016, you had gary johnson on the ballot in pennsylvania, wisconsin, michigan. he doubled and tripled her numbers there. look at the outcome and how close that was in the battleground states. trump and clinton 44,000 in pennsylvania, 22,000 in wisconsin, 10,000 in michigan. in recent history 2020, joe jorgenson. similar pattern in some of these very same states like arizona and georgia and wisconsin. you see the margin between biden and trump. what happens this year? is he the spoiler? democrats are saying he is when he introduced this yesterday. watch. >> i am confident that there is no american more qualified than nichole shanahan to play this role. >> bill: the headline and introduction. democrats went after him saying he will nothing except take votes away from joe biden. guy benson is here on that. good morning. robert garcia said i'm personally offended. austin davis said he is a spo spoiler. >> this is expected. the democrats are wore eft about their incumbent and his strength this coming fall. anyone that they view as maybe a threat to him or to get some votes that in their mind should go to joe biden. he is not entitled to anyone's vote. they'll try to disqualify that person . try to disqualify him and a bad selection to voters? that's fair game in politics. make an argument. i think he is significantly to the left of joe biden on key issues like the environment, government healthcare, etc. democrats can make the case. what i find interesting is the the stories about this army of lawyers the democratic party is getting ready to unleash across the country to try to block ballot access to r.f.k. and no labels and others in key states. i find it fascinating that the party that fancies itself and positions itself as pro-democracy is going to behind the scenes fight to have less democracy in some of these states, fewer choices for voters on behalf of democracy they would argue. tough sell. >> dana: nbc news had a poll that said support for r.f.k., jr. could get up to 25% of voters. this was from the dnc call saying we can't afford donald trump to be back in the white house, which is what is going to happen if people don't see rfk. donald trump with a kennedy name on him. dnc have a formal effort to go after him. the trump pac also went after r.f.k., jr. yesterday. >> i'm not surprised by that because there are at least some trump-adjacent people. a know a few of them flirting with rfk as a candidate and dipping the toe in the water. they like some of what he has to say. he is hard left on other positions. they didn't know that. there will be an effort by both major political parties to define r.f.k., jr. as negatively as possible. he has plenty of fodder for them to go after in my opinion. he is running as an independent. i feel if both sides are attacking him to some extent that will burnish his credentials and the polling shows especially this year. >> dana: do you think his vice presidential choice might have hurt him. i can think of no one more qualified in the united states to take on this role? 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i know it's only been 24 hours, to reroute that and try to get the economy stabilized after a tragic accident like this? >> well, first as you noted our thoughts are with all of the families that were impacted, six families whose worlds have been completely changed and shaken overnight by what happened. our thanks are with the first responders who have done just incredible work. i had a chance to meet many of them yesterday, including drives as they came out of that cold water with limited visibility trying to save lives. no question in my mind that lives were saved by the quick response. as you said, we also have to prepare for the supply chain implications of this. the bridge itself carried about 30,000 vehicles a day. there are tunnels that work as alternatives but there will be some impacts on traffic. the other major concern right now is the port. one thing that's important to understand is the way that the flow of cargo ships is handled is very different from something like air traffic control where if say a runway goes out or a problem at an airport and planes have to divert there is a single authority telling those planes what to do and where to go. it doesn't work that way with ocean shipping. different shippers, different ports, different terminals, different cargo owners under no requirement to talk to each other. but we've been using the relationships and some of the tools we have at the department of transportation to make sure that coordination does happen. we're talking about the biggest vehicle handling port in the united states. baltimore handles not just a lot of vehicle imports and experts in terms of cars, also a lot of farm equipment. you see at the moment you get close to that port and that's a very important part of our economy. those are some of our best exports. a lot of work in the next days and weeks. the ultimate goal is to clear that channel and get the port back up and running as quickly as possible. it won't happen everynight. we have to deal with the implications. >> bill: you have to move fast. "wall street journal" reports contaminated fuel might have been part of that ship. the ship just died in the water there. the head of the ntsb said on cnn this morning that they will look and see whether or not dirty fuel played a role in this. is that where you are leaning right now? >> i can't speak to that just because the ntsb is independent in their investigation. what i will say they were on the scene right away. i saw the chair there yesterday as well as coast guard. so you have law enforcement, ntsb. i know they will look at every piece of evidence, every piece of information needed on the investigative side. at the department of transportation our focus is how do we get that bridge back up and deal with the consequences of it being down in the meantime. how do we get that port back up and running to deal with supply chain consequences in the meantime. >> bill: if you find it was somebody on the ship not doing their job or on the port, i imagine they would bear the responsibility for it. the president said yesterday the federal government will pay for the entire cost of rebuilding. but if you find that somebody involved here was responsible, why not have them pay? >> there is no question that if the investigation determines that any private party or parties are responsible, they will be held accountable. but that can't be something that we're just waiting around for. we have to make sure we work now today to get this bridge back up and to get this port back open. that bridge took five years to build. we don't yet have an estimate on how long it will take to rebuild. the president made it very clear that every tool of the federal government needs to be available to governor wes moore as the state of maryland leads the work on the bridge and the port. we have to make sure that funding is not an obstacle and make sure we tear down any administrative barriers, too. it will require a lot of work and do everything we can as a department that does not require an act of congress but we will also engage congress because we'll likely need their help to make sure some of the funding is in place. >> dana: that will probably -- i was reading today that is going to happen right away as soon as congress gets back and beforehand maybe they'll have it ready to go. you mentioned air travel and how shipping is different from air travel. a lot of passengers and travelers are rattled by all the stories coming out of planes especially with boeing and then this week we find out the ceo of boeing has decided he is out. he says the eyes of the world are on us and i know we will come through this moment a better company building on all the learning we accumulated as we work together to rebuild boeing over the last number of years. did you welcome the news that boeing ceo will be stepping down? >> we had a lot of concerns about what is going on inside boeing. the faa administrator talked about concerns that arose when he visited their manufacturing facility. not just the day-to-day operations but really a question about culture. are they prioritizing safety? what we saw was a lot of focus on production. production is important, but the most important thing is safety. so what i will say is whoever is going to lead boeing going forward needs to lead boeing in a direction where culturally and operationally they are 1,000% on top of all quality and safety issues. faa has taken an extraordinary step of restricting how many aircraft they can produce isn't going to allow them to produce any higher numbers of aircraft until and unless they can demonstrate that they can do it safely. it has taken -- >> bill: just to follow up to get to dana's point. is it a good move the head of boeing is stepping down at the end of year? yes or no. >> i'm not taking a position on a leadership choice inside a company. any leader at that company needs to lead it in a direction toward safety. i talked directly to the ceo about my concerns and our concerns on safety and our message to the leadership and to the board of boeing is to make sure that nothing comes higher than safety in their priorities. >> dana: do you think it's safe for everyone to fly right now? >> look, every time i get on an airplane, every few days, i know i'm participating in the safest mode of travel in the world and that is only kept safe by the continuous, intense, rigorous attention of so many professionals of safety regulators and the faa. the faa will not allow anything to happen that is not determined to be safe. which is part of why we have boeing under such a microscope right now. >> bill: thank you for your time. we have more questions, we hope you have more time very soon. thanks for coming on today. >> dana: thank you. >> bill: a judge imposed a gag order. the order violates his first amendment rights is what some are saying. leo terrell will break that down next. new york city plagued by incident of deadly violent crime. the locals are demanding action 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bill: he could use a billion dollars. ben could use a billion dollars. >> dana: percy needs a new set of tennis balls to throw around. >> bill: on monday in new york, watch. >> they are doing things that have never been done in this country before. we've never had anything like it. certainly not at this level. we really had nothing like it that i've been able to find. it happens a lot in third world countries and banana republics. >> bill: a gag order, no one. the new york judge imposed it in the hush money matter that will begin on april 15th. granting the request of the manhattan d.a. attorney alvin bragg. civil rights attorney fox news contributors leo terrell has thoughts on this. good morning to you. here is from the judge's decision, all right? indeed his statements were threatening and denigrating. not only fear on the part of the individual targeted but also the assignment of increased security resources to investigate threats and protect the individuals and family members there. did the judge make the right call, leo? >> no, no. bill, 34 years of being a lawyer. that ruling is vague and ambiguous. who is complaining, bill? where is the evidentiary hearing of the witnesses, the council members being threatened? they are limiting trump's right to articulate his viewpoint in the court of public opinion. i will challenge you, bill and everyone watching. make me a case like this where the judge is drawing his conclusions from. this man is running for the highest office in the nation and he is the leading candidate and they are saying you can't talk about public figures, michael cohen, who has a podcast, stormy daniels, give me an evidentiary hearing to prove this gag order is necessary. >> bill: all right. do you know this matthew colangelo. he was the one that trump went after. what he is all about? >> i will tell you exactly what he is about. he pops up in every case involving trump. he was with the labor department under the obama administration. he was working with letitia james on a civil case against trump and now he is working with alvin bragg. this is the guy who was a u.s. attorney. he is basically demoteing himself to go to work on this case. why, bill? why? it doesn't make sense why this guy pops up when it's associationed with donald trump. and donald trump can't speak about him. >> bill: hunter biden will try to get out of these tax charges. his attorney lowell said the fight will be in your state, in fact, you know that. when a taxpayer has paid all they owe under those circumstances as mr. biden's criminal tax charges are not brought. the fact that they were brought here highlights mr. biden is being subject to a selective and vindictive prosecution. on one hand he is right, is he not? when you pay back taxes, the government considers the case settled in many cases. is this one different? >> this one is totally different. just because he paid taxes doesn't negate the wrong. he committed a crime. he evaded paying taxes for four years. he basically concealed income. the fact that he paid the bill doesn't exonerate him from committing the crime. it might reduce his sentence but it has no effect whatsoever. they will lose this motion to dismiss because the grounds for the dismissal are unwarranted. >> bill: here are the charges and penalties today if not dismissed. a miss -- you think it all stands in court today? >> yes, if i'm wrong i am taking you and dinner out to dinner. it is to preserve any appellate rights. he makes an argument, lowell, saying it is under gop political pressure and there is a deal that was in place that was never completed between the government. so it is going to be the motion for dismiss will be denied. >> bill: you are saying it is a slam dunk conviction if he goes to trial. you stand by that? >> i'm saying there could be a slam dunk dismissal of the motion to dismiss will lose today. if it goes to trial, he will be convicted, yes. another dinner if i'm wrong. >> bill: got it. 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unsafe people may feel, jobs are up and crime is down. >> i know a city out of control. i visited some of them in this country. this is not one of them. our focus must be this. repeatism, severe mental health illness, random acts of violence. that's the mission. >> adams said he can't do it alone. he needs state lawmakers to focus on going after repeat offenders. the system is overwhelmed and people don't respect the police. >> we are losing police officers. we are losing district attorneys. we are losing probation officers. we are losing parole officers. the foundation of the public safety apparatus is dissolving right in front of our eyes. >> yesterday nypd officer jonathan diller was moved to a funeral home. he was fatally shot monday during a traffic. one of the two men arrested was free on bail on a 2023 gun charge. both men had dozens of prior arrests. an hour after that that a man pushed someone in front of a subway train. it didn't stop mcphearson who has a violent criminal 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>> we are licensed from ages two to 18. >> dana: this would apply to even toddlers so you wouldn't be allowed to take care of a toddler? >> correct, yeah. >> dana: what is their legal right being infringed upon here? >> washington state has clearly using an ideological litmus test to exclude people of faith from the foster care system. it is unconstitutional. this is not the first time. washington officials have been caught violating the first amendment in this exact same context. we're eager to hold them accountable and insure that vulnerable children aren't left sleeping in hotel rooms or unlicensed facilities but placed in safe and loving homes like this. >> dana: it confuses me about the state's position. if they want to talk about a teenager and they want to be called by a different pronoun. if you talk about a two or 3-year-old. formative young years, shane, they don't even know what that is and so the state is cutting off them from care by people like you? >> every child deserves a loving home. and when the state puts ideology above children and when christian families, who exercise their faith are discriminated against, it only harms children and it decreases the number of foster families that can help provide needed service, foster families do an incredible job of standing in the gap for these children. so when the state discriminates against people of faith, only children are harmed. >> dana: do you feel called through your faith to be a foster mom? >> we do, absolutely. that was why we go it. we were called to help widows and orphans in need, the bible says. we knew there was such a great need in the state of washington and currently there are over 8,000 kids in care. so it is just disheartening and really unfortunate when the state puts their ideology above the needs of kids. >> dana: what do you think will happen next? is there any other precedent? this has happened in places like philadelphia. >> it is happening in places across the country. we also represent a young mom seeking to foster and adopt in the state of oregon. in the state of washington they've been got discriminating against people of faith using the litmus test and they were shut down for that. the state is doubling down on its unconstitutional position and it is time they be held accountable. >> dana: i want to leave everybody with this from the "wall street journal" piece. washington's foster care services 8,000 children. the majority ten years old or younger. by discriminating against families the state is reducing the number of homes available to these children. not just the home but the loving care everyone deserves and needs. thank you. keep us posted on how this goes forward and thank you for being willing to help them. >> thank you. >> thank you. >> dana: fox news alert president biden's political allies are hitting the panic