legal batter is treading into uncharted territory. making the $454 million bond in a civil fraud case is "practically impossible schooled under the current circumstances. the deadline for that bond is next monday. if trump doesn't pay up, new york attorney general to teach a change could begin seizing his properties. you heard that right. this is "outnumbered." i am tour. here's my cohost emily compagno. joining us this molly line. fox news contributor lisa boothe and chairman of o'leary ventures, kevin o'leary. the trump team is asking appeals court to pause the nearly half billion dollar judgment and reduces bond to $100 million. "the new york post": the unprecedented case a high seas by the strong arm of the law. attorney general james campaigned on getting trump. >> i will never be afraid to challenge this illegitimate president when our fundamental rights are at stake. i believe the president of these united states can be indicted for criminal offenses. >> he's gonna know my name personally. >> that man in the white house. who can go a day without threatening our fundamental rights. yes, we need to focus on donald trump and his abuses. we need to follow his money. we need to find out where he has laundered money. we need to find out whether or not he has engaged in cons conspiracy. it is important that everyone understands that the days of donald trump are coming to an end make. the office of attorney general every day suing him, defending your rights, and then going h home. >> kayleigh: she made good on that promise. let's go live with more on former president trump's bond problems. >> talk about a problem, kayleigh. , former president trump has -- seized by the new york state attorney general. trump must fork over a bond with nearly half a billion dollars in order to satisfy that judgment set by the judge in their real estate civil fraud trial. you may remember that he found that the trump organization overvalued it's a real estate assets to get better loans terms from banks. asking appeals court to pause the e judgment or accept a lower bond of only $100 million. trump's attorneys wrote "obtaining such cash through a fire sale of real estate holdings would inevitably result in a massive recoverable losses, textbook irreparable injury. if mr. trump doesn't meet the deadline on monday, attorney general letitia james who brought the case could potentially freeze his bank accounts and even go after some of his real estate properties like the iconic trump tower to satisfy the judgment. trump says that would be unfair pending the final outcome his appeal. the trump insurance company is covering the bond for trump to pay the $83 million judgment from the e. jean carroll case. that jury found that trump was liable for sexually abusing her back in the 1990s. the second jury found that he defamed her. that bond was accepted because he had the cash to cover it. he now reportedly declined accepting the larger bond. that leaves mr. trump now on the edge of a financial cliff. this is the way it works in order to post the bond, insurance companies basically need cash as collateral. they are not relying on just his real estate assets, because he apparently doesn't have all that money in the bank. the 30 insurance companies, his lawyers say approach to post the bond. authorities said no. kayleigh. >> kayleigh: thank you very much. gavin, you know, you heard eric lay out a fire sale. essentially, former presi president trump sell has assets at a reduced cost. if he wins on the appeal because it's easy to ask how that's fair that he's engaged in this fire sale. not only that, wall street journal editorial board says insurers may also fear miss james' legal retribution. that is highly problematic. anyone who does business in new york ought to worry about how miss james could likely twist of the screws on them. >> kevin: i think people should be thinking about the policy being put in place here. the competitiveness of new york state versus other u.s. states, but more importantly, the message about the american brand. you think about america. the reason this is the number one economy on earth is that we have laws and due process. we have property rights. it attracts foreign capital from all around the world. although that is being shaken to the core here. the concept of seizing assets in 30 days on a bond number that has never been issued. no bond company has issued anything near this. there was no chance it was going to happen. only giving 30 days notice in time. that is a really bad a message. i think new yorkers should think well past trump, whether he is president or not or whether this attorney general is gone and 4 years or not is irrelevant. this is case setting against the american brand. the most stable country on earth anywhere to put capital work over a long period of time, particularly in real estate is the united states of america. this is an assault on what we believe to be core. i find it extraordinary. i think it is very troubling. it has absolutely nothing to do with donald trump at this point in my view. it is completely bipartisan. this is an attack on america. i don't know how you can look at it any other way. as an investor -- i know plenty of investors are completely disturbed by this. but, i mean, no one is going to put any money to work in new york in these amounts until this settles down. the whole world is watching. everybody is waiting for one thing we haven't gotten yet. adult supervision. where is it? where are the adults in this crazy narrative? certainly there has to be adult supervision at some point. i understand the war going on here and all the political. we need an adult in the room now. this is the united states of america under siege. >> kayleigh: very well said. emily, i think that million dollar question is what happens monday if this deadline comes? letitia james has threatened to seize assets. what happens monday? >> emily: technically, she can start attempting to seize all of his properties that includes not only the real estate holdings but includes arts and wages and anything that he essentially owns if legally she can attempt to go after assets that he owns in other states. that includes mar-a-lago and places in florida. she has to go through the courts there. that would be a lengthy and cumbersome process. at the end of the day, we have her gloat with glee over that possibility. she said i'm getting this back or new yorkers. i'm not sure what that looks like as a new yorker. what i'm paying for is not only the destruction of america as kevin eloquently put it but the abuse of my tax dollars. the fundamentals of this, the reason why the bond is over half a billion dollars is becauause u have to post 120% of your judgment. this judgment accrues $112,000 a day. that is over twice the average american salary is one of the interest is on this abomination of a judgment for this defendant. by the way, a new york appeals court as we know just confirmed, yes, trump is on the hook for the full bond. no delay. you have to pay the full thing. guess what was appointed, an independent director. my tax dollars are paying for another person to ensure compliance from president trump. the eighth amendment states excessive bail shall not be required nor excessive fines imposed, nor cruel and unusual punishments inflicted. if there is anything that this eighth amendment prohibits and tried to prescribe against, believe me, it is a half-million dollars out judgment or a working new york employer with zero victims. >> kayleigh: well said, trump's attorney saying the real judgment to your point, 120% comes out at $557.5 million for a victimless situation. >> 2 great points there. the unprecedented nature of the case from the judgment from the amount of money and also to the timeline in which it is being sought. kevin had a great point about adults in the realm which brings us back to the eighth amendment. are the adults in the room going to be the supreme court? we are looking at monday. the million dollar question is a half-million dollar question. we will see if they actually do end up going after any of the properties. if it is one property and a fire sale. they start to make their own argument where they are saying the properties were never valued the way we should have been. look what we got. in reality, and it was a fire sale instead of a fair market. >> kayleigh: i bring this up again and again. this is the crux of everything we are speaking about. the associated press analysis, 70 years of civil cases under the law. the penalty has only been imposed previous times. it is the only big business, that was threatened with a shut down without a showing of obvious victims in major losses. let me translate unprecedented. >> lisa: he was called a whale client because of the amount of money that could be made from him. this has been called un-american. what is important to point out as this is america now. this is the america that we live in. this is the norm. this law if they are against political attorney general letitia james campaigned on this. she said she would get trump. now she is getting donald trump. if you dig into the ruling, what is evil is to make it impossible for him to even appeal. he has to come up with the cash to appeal almost half a billion dollars to even be able to appeal this ruling. helso made it where he was barred from trying to borrow from a new york bank. even beyond that, his attorney's team pointed out that only a handful of bond companies are approved by treasury to issue and underwrite a bond up as large. at maximum do a single $100 million bond. the judge knows that the task that he has put in front of trump, this ruling is impossible to meet. the standard is impossible to meet in order to appeal. the pain is the point. speak to some of these insurance companies may fear retribution from the attorney general. that is not how america is supposed to work but here we are. coming up as the media takes speech ends up morning out of context, experts agree with the former president. that is next. ♪ ♪ i brought in ensure max protein with 30 grams of protein! those who tried me felt more energy in just two weeks. -ugh. -here, i'll take that. woo hoo! ensure max protein, 30 grams protein, 1 gram sugar, 25 vitamins and minerals. and a new fiber blend with a prebiotic. 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>> kevin: i say let the market make this decision. the american consumer has already made their's. the reason evs are having so much struggles right now, they are expensive. they don't work in rural regions and not everybody wants them. by forcing policy on an auto sector in this case, you distort the market. it never ends well ever. this isn't ending well. that is what makes the american economy is so dynamic. when you let market forces go to play, you end up with a compromise which right now looks like the hybrid option for many, many, many consumers. part of the problem is that we don't have a large enough. in terms of recharging these cars. that is going to take decades to play out. the idea of swapping out fossil fuels completely is just an idea we learned at that conference that many countries have backtracked on this including england which is now drilling in the ocean again because they realize they have to have heat for people that are freezing in england. we are never going to in our lifetimes completely transition out all fossil fuels. we will have more selection of energy sources. we need energy security. that is going to become a political issue for this election. this is a mistake. this is not the first time the government has tried to mandate a change in the market. the american consumer is dynamic, smart, they really understand every dollar. they have made a decision. it is not for evs. >> perhaps that is why we remember that video of the electric vehicle being pushed right by them minors. we've got you. help is on the way. that is why 8 out of 10 grand buyers for a car say no thanks to ev. i can afford it. it's not practical. i can keep it charged. it's not working for me. >> molly: beautiful tucker county west virginia. the vehicle came to a halt stop on the road. they pushed them close to the coal mine and got it recharged and they can continue their vacation through gorgeous beautiful tucker county west virginia. this is from the alliance for manufacturing. not that long ago titled "on a collision course. china's existential threat to america's auto industry and its route through mexico" which is something trump was attempting to highlight in this piece when he talked about the tariffs. this report highlights that chinese companies' unveiling of this ultracheap only electric crossover priced at $14,000. "the introduction of cheap chinese autos which are so inexpensive because they are back with the power and funding of the chinese government to the american market could end up being an extinction level event for the u.s. auto sector. point made by the manufacturers themselves. >> if you call it "bloodbath" instead of "extinction," that is what gets you wrong. hammering and wants to stamp out choice from the american people selection that kevin mentioned to replace it with evs without providing for a transition in any of the arenas that we provided earlier. >> kayleigh: china sees a president that wants to transition into evs, and they want to get in on the action pair they are not selling consumer grade cards in the country. they are trying to do this via a backdoor by building a plant in mexico as one chinese company has done to then sell it into the united states. there electric vehicles are about $11,000 according to politico. hours are 353,000. they see an opening in the market. president trump says no. currently the tariffs -- he wants about 100%. we want to empower u.s. auto workers which is why it is so befuddling that the head of the uaw has agreed to endorse president biden. >> if you are in colorado or california, the great can't support you charging it anyway. >> "the washington post" as previously written that the electrical grid is not made for this massive push. the impractical nature of the push for electric vehicles. chinese owned electric vehicles. the question is why? my belief is one, joe biden is owned by china. his family is beholden to china. it is to give the government more control. our government is investigating foreign-made -- the computerized vehicles with the internet connectivity. it has been demonstrated that they could be disabled from afar. particularly the chinese operated ones. why couldn't our own government do that? they told electric vehicle owners you can charge in colorado. smart thermostats, they have not been able to change the temperature. if a foreign country could do that, why not our own government under the guise of a climate crisis? >> coming up, elon musk takes on don lemon over the impact of illegal immigration and how it benefits democrats. at ameriprise financial our advice is personalized based on your goals, whatever they may be. all that planning has paid off. looks like you can make this work. we can make this work. and the feeling of confidence that comes from our advice... i can make this work. that seems to be universal. i can make this work. i can make this work. no wonder more than 9 out of 10 clients are likely to recommend us. because advice worth listening to is advice worth talking about. ameriprise financial. 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what matters to you on border security, inner security, policy. we have 8 months left. why don't we start dealing with policy? i can't wait. i think this is number one on the hit parade. you do the visual that you can't more confounding than the biden campaign but this out. let's bring up the border czar. watch. >> i stand before you as vice president of the united states. president biden and i are fighting to secure a pathway for citizenship for dreamers and families. and to make our immigration system more orderly and humane. >> kayleigh: that is the message but out today. >> did they add the clip of the president, the first lady calling them tacos? i can't with a box checking. i can't -- what is nowhere to where their characterization? caricaturing of bodies of people that represent individuals that this white house continues to hammer home. what we saw between don lemon and elon musk is the formula that the left shoves down our throats which is this. someone calmly says, here's a fact. he understated the fact because it is 22 seats, not 20. he said how seats are based on persons, not citizens. therefore, there is a 20-22 seat overage including illegal immigration which is why this favors the democrat party. a leftist member dripping with condescension with microscopic viewership says, you are wrong. right? you will always be told that you are wrong, that your facts are incorrect. you will always be the subject of dripping iron and condescension from the liberal left as you are clambering with facts behind you and statistics behind you and reality behind you. this is emblematic of what in the selection of americans that face this every day, every family affected. they are saying this is my reality. this is the truth. to that left mainstream liberal media to the white house, they will tell you, sit down because you are wrong. they will tell you this is how you should vote if you have a certain skin color. >> kayleigh: it strikes me that biden could have a choice and can choose to win than nikki haley and saw democrat vote or by taking executive action on immigration. i think they see a mutiny among progressives. they are choosing, let's put out the border czar. we are making a calculation and standing on the far left despite the imagery. >> lisa: i love elon space in the interview. we hear kamala harris talking about dreamers in the context of illegal immigrants. what happened to the dreams of americans? why don't we care about their dreams? in a 21 hearing, she said "her district can absorb a significant number of these migrants because they need more people in my district for redistricting purposes." maybe this is why democrats are okay with an open border. maybe this is why they are allowing the crime that's coming into our country that financial cost to americans that we are absorbing with these illegal immigrants. they are using it to shape their power in both the house on the electoral college. >> kayleigh: saying the quiet part out loud. keep it quiet. >> or don't come and we can use it. >> kayleigh: kevin is in the hot seat. his brilliance up next. we are going to ask him about buying tiktok. who are better entrepreneurs, men or women? and mike rowe shorts. meet the jennifers. jen x. jen y. and jen z. each planning their future through the chase mobile app. jen x is planning a summer in portugal with some help from j.p. morgan wealth plan. let's go whiskers. jen y is working with a banker to budget for her birthday. you only turn 30 once. and jen z? 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"i'm not out here to start gender warfare. i get better returns from women who run businesses appeared out of thin deals, seven of them's are run by women. maybe only three by men. because i'm an investor. i want to make money. tell us about that. >> kevin: i have 20 years of data. this is at some university st study. the outcomes particularly in start-ups and consumer goods and services, better outcomes with women. that old adage, you want something done, give it to a busy mother. that is factual. they've done a spectacular job in mitigating risk. you put half a million dollars to work. it's not return on capital you care about. it is return of capital. you have to get your money back before you get anything. women are spectacular at that. they are very concerned. we did a study on this ourselves. why are they so successful? because they don't set targets they can't achieve. if you look at the men-run companies, their growth targets are 30%. women, half of that. they achieve them 99% of the time. we went back after looking at seven years with the data and said, okay, guys. stop doing that. we are private, not public. i want you to achieve your sales target for the reason it works is the team remains on board. there is no attrition of staff. it's like playing for a brady in his heyday. no one wants to leave the patriots if they are winning all the time. if you are hitting every corner, very, very sticky. the head of accounting or logistics or sales or marketing. they all stay together. that is why they win. i'm just being pragmatic. i give money to women, because i make money with women. what's wrong with that? >> if you want to give some money over, we will take it. >> this is when i'm so excited about it as i am engaged. you said couples should not merge their finances after they get married. >> kevin: never, never, never. because marriages do fail but worse. think about a successful marriage, 30-35 years. perhaps the spouse dies. if you don't have your own financial identity, you are an absolute ghost. you've got to keep your own credit card during the entire marriage. you have to have your own investment account. you must be a person in the financial system. every woman has to keep her financial identity. >> part of it is trust. you see what your spouse is doing. >> kevin: you can have a merged account with the merged credit card. the minute your spouse dies, and you don't have any financial identity, you are wrong. things could get very bad for you. by the way, i love love. this is why i backed a company with 2 women lawyers that help women get prenups in that euphoric stage when you're not thinking about money when you should be. 50% of marriages end within 7 years because of financial stress. one out spends the other. what is wrong with keeping your financial identity? it is nothing wrong with disrespecting your spouse. >> do you think part of why we have so many divorces is this emerging mentality where it is not a partnership? >> kevin: it's not a partnership if you don't have the same financial goals. you know what i tell people? i really care. if you are young and you are on your third date, on the second glass of wine, talk about money. talk about money on your third date. obviously, there is an interest. you've got to start sniffing around. you have to find out what the background is of that significant other. because if you are together after three dates, it is the second glass of wine where the truth starts coming out. this is great advice. listen, can we talk about your family? do you have any debt? what is your student loan size? that is what matters. this is real love. >> kayleigh: he was at a party and saw someone google someone's net worth right as they met. >> getting your advice on this next topic. this is even more important. it is about micro shorts and that they are now in fashion. some are already mocking the jean shorts as saying "bring back adult size clothes to school. micro shorts, is that i got investment? kevin: 100%. i like the way they look. they look terrific. fashion comes and goes. you've got to embrace what is happened. this is very hip right now. what's wrong with a little self-expression? i think it is fantastic, just fantastic. >> kayleigh: with daughters, i would say no. >> i'm going to be, kevin o'leary. >> i took kevin's advice. >> guys, a new report examines what the -- is up with everyone swearing these days. stay with us. okay everyone, our mission is to provide complete, balanced nutrition for strength and energy. yay - woo hoo! ensure, with 27 vitamins and minerals, nutrients for immune health. and ensure complete with 30 grams of protein. 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