township, pennsylvania with police issuing a shelter in place order as they actively shoot -- or excuse me, actively search for that shooter. i'm jacqui heinrich, welcome to fox news live. griff: hey, jacqui, i'm griff jenkins. congressman fitzpatrick tweeting this, there's an active shooter an i alert in falls township. we're monitoring two sections of falls township. i'm in such with law enforcement as they pursue the suspect. more information to follow. that's exactly what we're trying to bring to you. lauren green is live with the very latest in this breaking story. hey, lauren. >> hey, griff. you know, this is still an active situation and the residents in the area in falls township, pennsylvania are told to shelter in place, the shooter is believed to be armed and dangerous. falls township police are searching for 26-year-old andre gordon who is driving a stolen vehicle. it started around 8:52 this morning eastern time and police say that gordon shot and killed two in the block of viewpoint lane in levitt township and they say that he shot another person at another location before fleeing the scene. a few minutes later, gordon hijacked the car at gun point at a dollar store in bristol pike. he's driving a honda cvv, kfr1534. and they believe he's believed to be homeless with ties to trenton, new jersey, but also say he knew all the victims except victim of the carjacking. gordon is described as 6 foot 1 with a thin build and wearing a dark hooded sweatshirt and is believed to be in possession of an assault rifle that was used in the shooting. anyone with information is being called to call 911, griff. griff: all right, lauren, bring us more details as you get them, thank you very much. jacqui: here to break this down for us, paul morrow, the former n.y.p.d. inspector and fox news contributor. paul, this all transpired pretty close to a parade route where a st. patrick's celebration was about to happen. it looks like there's no nexxis to the parade or mass casualty incident. it sounds like the shooter knew the people involved. what will police be doing now to figure out the next moves? >> the good news he's fully identified and police can contextualize him. and we all leave a digital footprint and they'll be trying to apprehend as quickly as possible. among the great force multipliers for police exactly what you and griff are doing, which is getting the word out. it's really important that he's in the wind and we don't know where he is, if he's even in the same car, that the public become hyper aware. and the risk is he's p in contact with somebody else. if you see something, say something, even if you're not sure is really one of the things they're going to depend upon as this moves forward. jacqui: griff, do you want to jump in. griff: paul, i want to ask you, with the phones and the digital tracks that he may be putting down right now, how critical is that and what might they learn when they've got somebody who is obviously in the wind? >> hyper critical. now, and a nuance here is that it's a saturday afternoon. and people lose sight of the fact that sometimes you don't have everybody in on a weekend and even here at n.y.p.d. and i had several hundred people working for me just using my own example, i would be calling people and saying, get in here forth with, we have to do a lot of stuff quickly and you can do stuff from home and you would be again, looking to cont contextualize his life and what his habits are and try to track him real-time. there are cameras you can access and obviously, the car is a very important data point at this point. people he's called in the past if his phone is currently live. these are things to do real-time in an emergency setting and you can get a lot of information quickly, but you've got to round the troops up and then there's another nuance here, you need good management. this, one of those things, okay, the stuff hits the fan. everybody is on deck,we've got to get moving. make sure this things don't slip through the cracks. they got the information out qui quickly. and moving everything forward in a coherent way is important. >> how hard is it to local someone, paul when you're dealing with a suspect who may be homeless? >> tough, very tough. yeah, jackie, you put your finger on it. as a homeless person, undomiciled, his touch points as far as law enforcement are going to be thinner. if you have someone who is sleeping under bridges or something, it's harder to locate you. there's homeless and there's homeless. some homeless avail themselves, for lack of a better term, high functioning enough their touch points are the social services. and sometimes looking for a homeless person, there are habits they have. they may go to ngo's, religious institutions, three hots and a cot. and if you know that, to get that to person's life style and talk to people, i know where he tends to hang out or he's got a girlfriend over here, et cetera. it depends on homeless or homeless with a capital h, or transient might be a better world. griff: you're looking at the photo courtesy of our fox philadelphia, affiliate and on the left side, andre gordon the 26-year-old suspect in in shooting on the loose and paul, as you sort of analyze the task at hand, it's obviously paramount to bring this gentleman you see on our screen here, andre gordon, into custody, but also, with someone on the run you've got it devote a lot of your attention to protecting the public. how do you balance those? >> so, that's really the call and, griff, you're right on target because right now your most important thing is the preservation of life. you already know that he's capable of killing and that he's armed so you really want to ring the bell. i've spoken in a general way you want to get your resources rolling. one of the things you're going to do is make sure that you're contacting all other agencies as you're putting this out publicly, leveraging the media, you're also going to make sure there's a mention of trenton, he has contacts that. they're way up on this. the jersey state police and pennsylvania someplace and i'm sure new york and even n.y.p.d. given the heads-up. look, if this guy has any touch in your area, by now, hopefully they know that, they'll see, hey, looks like he has a brother that is in brooklyn. n.y.p.d. has to be alerted. this comes down to management. you have an incident commander and executive who is hurting all of those, and making sure that this person knows, that person knows, you talk to this chief, that chief, getting feedback and get it pushed out to all ships at sea. you want to make sure if he turns up some place that he could be grabbed, they know about it. you don't get that out he goes to a place he could have gotten and miss him. you'll have regrets. this is where management and organization matters. everybody wants to catch him and do the right thing. jacqui: paul, just as we've been talking, an update reported from our fox affiliate in philadelphia, they're saying that the vehicle that andre gordon stole, that 2016 honda crv with the license plate kfr1534 that's since been located unoccupied in trenton, new jersey. so, that would mean that andre gordon left the state of pennsylvania and is somewhere else, abandoned the vehicle that he stole. how much more difficult is the search now for law enforcement where they don't have an idea of how he might be travelling at this point? >> well, good news and bad news with that. first of all, it verifies the fact that he was going to trenton so your initial intel is crop rcorroborated. the question, is he in another vehicle or on foot? obviously he's on the loose and you're going to concentrate more on trenton and look very hard now in that area of any calls, 911 calls that came in, could look like a stolen car or a carjacking to see if he's jumped into that different vehicle and home invasion calls and anything like that to indicate that he's taken further action to try to hide his whereabouts and committed another crime. the best case scenario here would be that he's someplace known to them and maybe get them without any further bloodshed including his own. maybe he's going to end up in a hostage situation, you've got to talk him out and start playing out the potential scenarios. you may not have a lot of time to activate the resources you need. so sounds like trenton p.d. is going to take the lead on this, i'm sure new jersey state police, which is an excellent agency with a lot of resources i'm sure they're highly raised up and yet, looking at everything they can to try to locate him and preparing for every eventuallity, you don't know how this is going to go. >> quickly before we run out of time here, paul, i want to get your-- you know, n.y.p.d. hat on. the notion that you sort of cast a widespread and then begin to close the perimeter, is that possible to do in a situation like this now that we've seen, obviously, the killing began in falls township, now we've gotten to trenton, new jersey? >> yeah, you know, one of the things you do want to be sort of mindful of is confirmation bias. everybody wants to do the right thing and wants to help and everybody will come running in to support the case and what happens is, you develop for lack of a better term, rumor and intelligence. and it's received wisdom that he's in trenton and then you find out he's in pa sayic and looking in the wrong place and we've m in some cases, escaped prisoner situations, he couldn't have gotten more than 10 miles on foot. and he's 30 miles. if you go too narrow he's clearly in trenton. you could miss the fact, a, he got on a bicycle, on a train. and you want to narrow your focus and data points, keep in mind, he could be anywhere and this comes out to management and communications. everybody has to be on the ground. and people away from st. patrick's day festivities and working when they weren't going to be. that's the job and you took it. and everybody has to be cognizant of the fact you've got a dangerous man on the loose. griff: joining us on the phone with an update, paul, thank you. please call back if you get any information on this case. >> i will do. thank you both. griff: if you're just joining us, you're looking live there at that picture we had, but let me shift gears a little bit and go to some other news and that's nathan wade. resigning from former president trump's election interference case after a judge ruled that d.a. fani willis could remain on the case if he left, following the discovery of their personal relationship. this comes as trump's new york hush money case is delayed for another month. madeline rivera is live with the latest on this. >> good afternoon, griff. from a technical standpoint this was a win for d.a. fani willis. nathan wade says he's stepping down in the interest of democracy and to move this case forward as quickly as possible. this should allow willis to continue her prosecution against former president trump, but her reputation is in question. judge scott mcafee is slamming her for lapse of judgment pursuing a relationship with wade. details of their personal life has been laid out in public and it could affect a jury and how the case advances and she's facing several investigations including one in georgia where a republican-led state senate is looking into alleged misconduct on her part. >> the problem with this is that it just undermines the public's confidence in the fairness and the impartiality of our criminal justice system. jacqui: trump can submit a certificate of immediate review and take it all the way to the georgia court of appeals. that would, of course, further delay the legal proceedings. this comes as the hush money case in manhattan has been delayed as well. it's been pushed back a month after federal prosecutors provided more than 100,000 pages of records that trump's team says it needs time to comb through. they wanted 90 days or dismiss the case entirely. a discovery hearing is scheduled for the week of march 25th to talk about the new materials, griff. >> a lot of trial information to keep up with. maddie rivera in washington d.c. for us, thank you. >> thanks, griff. jacqui: for more let's bring in our legal panel. former prosecutor kelly stimpson and accountability center elizabeth, thank you for being here and appreciate your time. a lot of interesting developments on this case that we all washed very closely. you know, i want to start with the question of does the judge's order, i'll ask you, elizabeth, to this answer this. does this set up trump to ask for appeal or try to get out of it somehow? >> i think there was a little bit of something for everyone in this order from judge mcafee, that certainly trump's allies lost in the sense they were seeking to have the indictments dismissed because of this alleged conflict of interest or you know, at least to have fani willis disqualified from the case. that didn't happen. obviously, the special prosecutor, nathan wade did resign from the case and certainly, there was some sca scathing criticism of d.a. willis that i'm sure that trump and his allies will continue to use as the case goes forward and certainly in the court of public opinion. other than a delay i'm not sure that it's in their interest to appeal this because of the things they got out of this. i think at this point both sides will make their legal arguments to the decision makers of the everyday jury, the jury of everyday americans will ultimately decide this case. >> i want to play with you what former president said, and give your take on it. the local d.a. stuff and fani willis, she spent with wade, i call my fani wade, she spent with wade, her lover, boyfriend, days in the white house and in the justice department talking about my case. now, that case is imploding. she should never be allowed anywhere near a case in my opinion. >> some of the charges have been thrown out. >> well, yeah, 10 charges have been thrown out. a lot of them have been thrown out. it's a fake case. jacqui: is he able to make that argument in a court of public opinion that's more successful now? >> he certainly will do what he wants to do, we've seen that over the years, but ultimately this case is going to be tried, to elizabeth's point, in front of a judge or jury in atlanta. in foik. but i agree with my colleague, look, there's a little bit of something for everybody in this decision, but the findings of facts and conclusions of law were methodically done. in this 23-page, the judge looked at appearance aa-- of impropriety and there are convictions on any of these cases that will be issue number one on appeal and i could see an appeals court sending it back for retrial. so i think that some d.a.'s would actually despite their ego, recuse themselves, but i don't think she'll do that. jacqui: should she do that? some say, look, the public has seen you, basically on trial for all intents and purposes and it's been certainly distraction from the case that she was trying to make. should she, for the integrity of the case and for, you know, public perception stepped away? >> i definitely agree with you that it's a distraction. it's important to remember that she is not the end-all and be-all of the days. we started this with a grand jury indictment. the grand jury is a jury of one's peers. everyday americans, who came up with the indictment that donald trump is now being prosecuted for. and d.a. willis will probably not be the one who mr. -- not be the one who will be making the day in, day out arguments in the case. and there are people on the team not just d.a. willis, i think if she were to recuse herself and her whole office that would substantially delay the case in a way that isn't in the interest of justice and americans who want this settled before the election. so, i think when you realize that it's a much bigger than d.a. willis, this is really about a judge, a jury and a process, now, then i think that really becomes less important. we had this, now, very meticulous decision by judge mcafee that says there wasn't an actual conflict of interest, but there was an appearance of conflict of interest and that's why special prosecutor wade had to resign. it's a matter of going forward at this point. jacqui: we have more questions and we're out of time. the biggest one, the likelihood of seeing a trial before the trump election, and not only on this one, but several. griff. griff: jacqui, great conversation. and we have much more ahead as fox news live continues next. i brought in ensure max protein with 30 grams of protein! those who tried me felt more energy in just two weeks. -ugh. -here, i'll take that. woo hoo! ensure max protein, 30 grams protein, 1 gram sugar, 25 vitamins and minerals. and a new fiber blend with a prebiotic. 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>> we're in the community here on the border between the dominican republic and haiti. every week thousands of haitians come here to sell and buy goods. it's a lifeline for haitians, particularly during this crisis. now, look the state department says there are hundreds, several hundreds of americans that are trapped in haiti at this time. this main border crossing serves as one of the main ways to get out of the country by land and the department of state tweeted out this morning, that it is arranging a charter flight for u.s. citizens that are trapped in haiti, for those who get to the airport. more than five hours drive from the capital city of port-au-prince. and the overland is dangerous and we recommend you consider the flight only if you believe you can reach the airport safely. 200 gangs run haiti. hundreds killed, and a nonprofit who rescue americans are working to rescue three dozen americans by h air or sea because frankly going by land is too dangerous. >> everything that matters they own. so, they've got the city cord doned off pretty well and controlling the main roads in and out. and that's a problem. they're incredibly violent. that's a problem and decentralized and that's the biggest problem. >> nine americans for the organization mission of grace are trapped in the western portion where they are with or orphans. and she's frustrated with the action of the u.s. government. >> we're supposed to leave by 8th # of march. the airport is closed so canceled our flights. it feels like we're left on our own because we were in the back yard of the united states. we believe if they really wanted to help they could have help. >> there is a real concern here in the dominican republic, as well as in the u.s. that a further collapse of haitian society would lead to a new wave of haitian migrants to come to the southern border and overwelcome dominican on the border. jacqui: the department was not planning evacuations so this charter flight is a big deal. bryan llenas for us. >> yeah, a surprise, thank you, jacqui. griff: for more on this, we're joined by the former border patrol chief rodney scott. picking up where bryan llenas' great reporter with a wave of my migrants, and we're seeing an uptick and the legal pathway that the administration set up. ch and v program brought a haitian, 26-year-old cory alvarez to the u.s. last summer and he has now accused of-- you see him here on the screen, accused of raping a disabled 15-year-old girl. we've reached out to dhs for the last 24 hours and they won't comment on that. have not given us any kind of statement. but what do you make when you look at the type of people coming that may be in the next wave of haitians? >> well, thank you for having me on again. i want to level that a little bit. there's been a lot of talk out of the administration the last few weeks of a decrease in numbers and different programs that they've put in place. we're still like three times the-- beyond three times the peak illegal immigration of any time in history of this country. the border's completely out of control and the programs, cvp-- questionably legal. and cb pp to interview these individuals and the vetting process the sole way. without a face-to-face interview by agents and officers trained how to pick up this. we have no idea who we're letting in, let alone the got-aways. the situation in haiti is horrible. let's be realistic, haiti has been a disaster for years, there's a certain responsibility for haitians to step up and establish a government that's meaningful. we cannot be. we can't be the landing pad for everybody in the world that won't take responsibility for their own homes and make it better. griff: you know, chief, i want to get in here and you mentioned got-aways, and i talk to officials and they talk about the got-aways nonstop. 133,000 known got-aways this fiscal year, 800 a day, we have no idea. this week, fbi director chris wray was pressed on what we know about them. here is what he said. listen. >> can you tell us, can you tell the american people with any certainty that there are zero people on the terrorist watch list that were among that 1.8 million got-aways. the national security ramifications of the issues at the border are better reflected in some ways, more by what we don't know about the people who snuck in. griff: so we don't know. are we sitting ducks? >> we are sitting ducks and i do really want to clarify, a lot of people misunderstand what that term got-away means. those are known got-aways. let me give you an example. san diego is getting overrun with chinese immigration, and they're quickly processed and released and discovering large groups of chinese paying extra to avoid law enforcement and try to be smuggled in to be in the group of known got-aways. the high numbers, border patrol was out of resources saw people sneaking by on camera or sensor, some other method and unable to detect them. what we definitely know they're not asylum seekers. they're paying the cartel extra to be in the second wave to avoid law enforcement and that in and of itself should make some red flares go up for americans. griff: it should indeed. former border patrol chief rodney scott. have a great saturday. >> thank you, griff. jacqui: griff, president biden is standing by senator chuck schumer's criticism of israeli prime minister benjamin netanyahu. more on that next. ting these two every thursday. help fuel today with boost high protein, complete nutrition you need... ...without the stuff you don't. so, here's to now. boost. 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>> because the biden administration is not a friend of israel and doesn't care what happens to israel. he isn't strong on israel. he had some really big words soon after october 7th, the attacks from the hamas terrorists on israelis. the murder of 1300, the burning alive of babies and raping of women and all fell apart and now he's going to build a port for hamas, this is not a pier in mediterranean, he's building a port in hamas. i got back from israel last thursday, i was at the site of the music festival, i was in the kibitz that were burned down, the bullet holes, death and destruction, a mile from lebanon where they're expecting a war with hezbollah. israelis are completely united in destroying hamas and hezbollah, they may not be fans of netanyahu , that's true. for chuck schumer to call for elections, when does schumer call for elections when it comes to hamas and hezbollah, when does it happen. it hasn't happened. chuck schumer should be ashamed of himself. jacqui: tim, despite the pressure from its base, and the civilian toll in gaza, they've maintained support for israel, but this was a stunning moment where the president said that it was a good speech. the white house couldn't say exactly what was good about that speech. maintained they weren't walking it back, but didn't endorse it. that requires clarification. >> it's not an endorsement because the entire situation in the middle east, walking a diploma diplomatic tightrope. and the reason we're building the pier, to help people, massive civilian casualties is because the administration has taken a responsible posture on the issue. we've seen tony blinken negotiating for getting aid through the rafah crossing. jake sullivan and the national security council a responsible posture. do we throw donald trump in there with-- >> can we stop this. >> bombastic and did $. >> can we stop this? can we please stop this? this has nothing to do with donald trump. it isn't responsible to-- >> it's a choice that. >> port for hamas. >> a chase for people to make in november and about having someone responsible. >> you're right. >> flame thrower-- >> that's absolutely, positively no diplomatic tightrope you favor terrorists or don't. favor the burning of babies or you don't and right now the biden administration is saying they do. they're wrong and chuck schumer a wrong and you're wrong, tim, stop it. >> that's the type of rhetoric that we don't want-- >> shame on you. jacqui: on both sides of this issue, that are not going away anytime soon and everything that the president does matters which is why i think the white house should probably clarify their stance because people are looking for answer. appreciate your time, both of you. hope to have you back again soon. griff. >> take care. griff: all right. jacqui, tomorrow on media buzz, howie kurtz sitting down with defacto nominee donald trump at mar-a-lago for an interview. tackle the record, joe biden's record, the issue at the southern border and much more, that's on media buzz 11 a.m. eastern, make sure to tune in. jacqui: tik tok users are doubling down on efforts for congress not to ban the chinese app. next. heat makes it last. feel the power of contrast therapy. ♪ so you can rise from pain. icy hot. >> are you satisfied with the results you get from expensive nutritional supplements that don't contain more than 12 minerals? 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>> griff, good morning. i mean, good afternoon. 170 million americans are using tik tok, right now as you know, the house has passed a bill that says within six months, bytedance, a chinese company, had as to divest of tik tok to an american entity or face the chance of being banned, completely turned off in this country. there are work around to that, which is another story, but i tell you this, i don't think that anyone's going to touch this. i don't think this is going to pass, i don't think it's going to go anywhere in the senate. two things that we know for sure. tik tok is indeed a national security threat period, no doubt about it. it's controlled, there are algorithms that are secret, in control of the chinese government. bytedance is chinese company. it's not like america where a company has autonomy. the chinese government can willy nilly say we want this, want that, we want to control this data and put it here. there has already been evidence of irresponsible use of data at tik tok. a story a couple years ago, some operators tracking down and surveilling journalists to make sure they weren't getting negative tik tok press and get negative information on them. the second thing about tik tok, yes, national security threat. the second thing, this is digital fentanyl. this is the biggest drug problem on the digital side this country has seen ever. and we just let it unfold. we just let it all happen just like all big tech, it's like nobody, nobody cared and a lot of that had to do with the fact that, you know, the mark zuckerbergs of the world and the like spend more money on washington lobbyists than anybody else on the planet. and so, nothing happens. then you have-- go ahead, i'm sorry. griff: that's a great point. i'm sorry. i don't want to run out of time. a quick sound byte, in howie kurtz' interview, what about here. >> if you're going to do it in tik tok, do it to facebook. what you can do is let them sell tik tok, let them sell it in the market, maybe get a good price, maybe not get a good price, i don't know, but take it away from china control. griff: i give you the last 10 seconds. yeah, you know, here you go. facebook is not a chinese-owned company end of story. that's not a threat. is it a problem for us? 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