washington tonight. thank you for being with us. putting evil in context. that's the focus of tonight's angle. >> laura: more fallout from the hill yesterday from college presidents who have equivocated on the noxious anti-semitic atmosphere on their campuses. some of the most revealing and disturbing exchanges are just now being seen by americans. >> specifically calling for the genocide of jews. does that constitute bullying harassment? >> if it is directed ander is veer pervasive is harassment. >> so the answer is yes? >> it is a context dependent decision, congresswoman. >> it's a context dependent decision. that's your answer today calling on the genocide of jews. >> if the speech becomes conduct, it can become harassment, yes. >> laura: surely the esteemed harvard university president had a much clearer response. >> >> at harvard, does calling for the genocide of jews violate harvard's rules of bullying and harassment? yes or no? >> it can be, depending on the context. >> what's the context? >> targeted at an individual. anti-semitic rhetoric, when it crosses into conduct, that amounts to bullying, harassment, intimidation, that is actionable conduct and we do take action. >> so, the answer is yes, that calling for the genocide of jews violates harvard code of conduct, correct? >> again, it depends on the context. >> it does not depend on the context. the answer is yes. this is why you should resign. >> laura: now imagine if an lgbtq student coalition felt harassed or maybe targeted by some type of right wing mob on the harvard campus, and they were even forced to flee into classrooms to hide, would president gay need context to call them in violation of the school's code of conduct? well, we know the answer to that. she has since tried to clarify her remarks writing in part calls for violence or genocide against the jewish community or any religious or ethnic group are vile and have no place at harvard and those who threaten our jewish students will be held to account. obviously the grown ups at harvard had to tell her that she skewed up royally. it's a humiliating moment for what is supposed to be the premier university in the united states. >> the mit president sally corn bluff was maybe the best of the bunch but that's not saying much. yes or no? calling for the genocide of jews does not constitute bullying and harassment. >> i have not heard calling for the genocide of jews on our campus. >> you have heard chants for intifada. >> i have heard chants which can be anti-semitic depending on the context when calling for the elimination of the jewish people. >> so those would not be according to the mit's code of conduct or rules? >> that would be investigated as harassment if pervasive and severe. >> laura: if pervasive and severe? if they are saying destroy the jewish people long live the antifad da means. even just a few times, how is that not jeer? again. we know the answer and we will never forget what happened when former trump officials were invited to speak to students. [chanting] >> you canceled an event with former ice director tom homan due to disruptive student press simply because he worked for former president donald trump. why did penn let professor ahmad amul la off the hook who led hundreds of students? chanting there is only one solution antifad da revolution? >> our approach to speech as i identified it follows and guided by the united states constitution. which allows for robust perspectives. i disagree with the characterization that we treat speech differently. >> laura: a vocal critic of how these schools have handled the pro-hamas activism on campus bill ackman summed up his reaction to the testimony wondering why these presidents still have their jobs. writing the presidents' answers reflect the profound educational, moral and ethical failures that pervade certain of our elite educational institutions due in large part to their failed leadership. they must all resign in disgrace. if a ceo of one of our companies gave a similar answer, he or she would be toast within the hour. of course that's absolutely correct. were any of these women by the way really the most qualified individuals in america to rub their respective institutions? doubtful. but we all know that they checked enough boxes to leapfrog everyone else who was in the running for these positions. that's how you play the game at these universities. don't rock the boat, and certainly always give left wing students and faculty members the benefit of the doubt in campus controversies. the utter disdain that these college presidents demonstrated yesterday mirrored how they treat their alumni as well. many of whom do not really approve of the way things are unfolding on campus. when they are trying to grow the endowments, of course, these universities they know how to put on a show of respectability and they showcase an ora of excellence on campus. you see, the monthly mailings and alumni magazines, they are the way most experienced campus life after they graduate. it looks all slick and wonderful. nostalgia kicks in and then they take out their checkbooks. is there any sense at all after all of this, that these universities are really waking up? i'm not sure. unless you think that u penn's new initiative is a way to combat anti-semitism on campus announced yesterday it's called "conversations for community and dinners across differences." someone actually was paid to do this by the way, come up with this idea. it's going to offer meals free of charge for penn community members allowing them to discuss issues of interest to bring people together free food. that will help keep quiet the long live the antifad da chants, i'm sure. clearly these university presidents like the white house itself, they are walking on egg shells, afraid to offend pro-hamas constituents. they may be a minority, these pro-hamas people in the democrat party, but they are loud and they are very tech savvy. and biden needs their energy in 2024. that's for sure. but today we learned that the anti-israel revolt isn't just hang in the ivy leagues. it's actually happening in the white house itself. dozens and dozens of white house staffers interns, signed a letter demanding a permanent cease-fire and accused israel of an ongoing genocide against the palestinian people. now, at bottom, they are also accusing the biden team for whom they work of aiding and abetting this genocide by not demanding an immediate end to israeli operation. national review had a great piece on this. they urged biden to fire the insurrectionist interns. well, fat chance. never going to happen. but think of the tuition bills that the parents of these interns paid to produce this warped thinking. a lot of money along. it's time for all of us, conservatives, liberals and independents to ban together and use all legal challenges possible to take back these institutions from the incompetent administrators and the woke radical fringe holding them all hostage. and that's the angle. joining me now is vaughn agreeingen who resigned from u penn's board of trustees back in october. vonn, why did you resign? >> you know, laura, i served since 2009 and over that period of time i found that at every turn the word was just a rubber stamp to the chairman of the board. and that they really never disagreed, that every vote was unanimous. and when it came to this controversy, i was appalled by the lack of response by the president of the university and you know, sought to have my fellow board members speak up with me and say something that would put her in a position to have to change her views and do something say you are on the board and wait for an emergency meeting that was called, which i did. and i found at that meeting it was just the same old, same old. so i quit on the basis that if i stayed, i would be under a fiduciary responsibility to not disclose what went on at the board and as an outside person i ask speak out about the horrible things going on at the university and call for the resignation of the board president and chair. >> laura: do you agree with bill ackman that these presidents who testified on capitol hill yesterday, who couldn't answer simple questions, utter disdain. should they resign? >> can i tell you, this laura. there is no, no context in which the, you know, the genocide of the jewish people harassment and hateful and militias talk and, you know, it cannot be condoned, unlike what the position of the university presidents and it certainly is not conducive learning for the poor students who, you know, attend colleges and universities that were displayed in congress yesterday. >> laura: well, kids are waiting to hear now. >> bolster that point. >> laura: i'm sorry we have a delay here. let me just -- sorry, let me just -- kids are waiting to hear right now who applied early from a lot of these schools. early. i think there is a lot of angst among. happening on campus now? >> focus on the places they go or what they do there. >> be completely honest with you as i indicated before to bolster that point the antidefamation league did a study and in the study of the jewish students american colleges, they concluded that more than half don't feel safe on college or university campus and 75% of those kids feel they have been involved in or have witnessed an act of anti-semitism. so, if you are the parent of a jewish student, in the ninth, tenth, or l or le elen evette gu wouldn't want to send. >> laura: what do you say to the board members that are, again, very few voices of courage. yours was one, in these board scenarios. what do you say to them today? >> gps time to step up and be counted and not just serve on these boards that just have a prestigious thing to put on your resume or so that you can tell your friend i'm on the board of harvard or penn or whatever. it's time to actually be working trustee and to speak up when things aren't right and not rubber stamp, you know, what goes on. just because the chairman of the board says it's the thing to do or the president says it's the thing to do, in your heart, if you know it's wrong, you need to step up and say that it's the wrong thing. >> laura: i note that you are an entrepreneur and entrepreneurs tend to have a lot more courage than corporate ceos. vahan, thank you much for speaking out i hope to talk to you again soon. senator holly described the classified briefing on ukraine as the most heated he has ever been part of. he is here next with all the details. stay there. ♪ - what does searching for a medicare plan feel like? - it's kind of confusing. - it's so complicated. - we get tons of mail, tons of calls. it's annoying. - [narrator] ehealth is a less stressful way to find health insurance. to prove it, we found people looking for a new medicare plan and we monitored everyone's stress. your mission today is to find a medicare advantage plan that fits you. - [narrator] half did it by searching the usual way. - [speaker] on this side, you get to use everything on the whole internet, except you can't use ehealth. - [narrator] the other half did it by matching with ehealth. - the people on this side. you guys all get to use ehealth.com. you can even call ehealth. on your mark, get set, go find a medicare match. - [narrator] and you can find your medicare match. give us a call or visit ehealth.com. now, let's talk about why you'd wanna call ehealth. - maybe it feels like you paid too much for too little. maybe your current plan is changing or your needs are changing. either way, now is the time of year you can do something about it. - [narrator] compare plans that cover your doctors, your prescriptions, your pharmacy and your budget. compare your current plan to newer plans and compare them side by side. because ehealth carries plans from the nation's top insurance companies, the same plans at the same price as them. - they pay us to help you find a match. that's how ehealth is always a free service. - [narrator] now let's check in on those two groups. searching and matching. searching side? 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just imagine how much higher it's going to be not just in national treasure, but in american blood. if he starts going after one of our nato allies. the american boots would very much have to be involved if putin is left to have strategic victory in ukraine and then perhaps goes after one of our nato allies. >> laura: how dare he speculate about our nation's blood that must be spilled. jing knee now missouri senator josh hawley. senator, the administration announced another aid package today. $175 million in arms and equipment. and they want billions more, of course. and they are trying to beg congress for it. if europe is so threatened, why is europe not ponying up the money here? >> yeah. exactly right. i mean, this is in europe's backyard. this is a european issue first and foremost. and we need to be honest with them, laura, it's time for the europeans to take the lead on defense of their own continent. not least we need to look to china who is our biggest overseats threat. we need to secure our own southern border that brings me to my biggest beef here which is that we don't seem to have any money to do anything for americans. i mean, we can't secure our border. we can't any of our national security imperatives. yet, we have unlimited money according to joe biden for ukraine. it's crazy exactly backwards. >> i guess late today, early tonight, in congress they blocked aid to israel and ukraine because that's tied together over this border dispute trying to tie it all together in one package. tell us about that. >> well, i mean, here's the thing. we should have passed aid to israel a long time ago. our ally israel is fighting for their existence. we should have done that immediately. the biden administration doesn't really care about israel aid. that's the bottom line. just like they don't really care about the border. they put those things together with ukraine, which is their top priority, apparently over everything else. laura, the border is wide open. we had a record number of terrorists on the terrorist watch list come across the border last year. and that's just the ones that we know about. yet, what's the administration want? more money for ukraine. it's ukraine, ukraine, ukraine. i have got to tell you i for one am not going to vote for a dime more for ukraine until the united states security, our border security is actually made whole and made right. >> laura: ukraine thing is over. they know it's over. they are treating it as a political liability and they are trying to manage it. to me, it's obvious. senator, your colleague, senator chuck schumer decided to drop a conservative president's name it would be insult to our ukrainian friends fighting their lives against russian autocracy and could go down as a major responsibilities. rolling in his grave. own party vladimir putin roll through europe. >> laura: senator, i worked for president reagan. using reagan as a convincing argument. i must have missed the part when ukraine was a member of nato. >> yeah, and this from the party that as i distinctly remember was pro-gorbachev, pro-soviet for decades. they criticized reagan constantly. this is just a joke. it's all a joke. listen, you have democrat senators saying that our southern border is just a domestic political consideration. think about that. a domestic political consideration as if the drugs coming across the border, laura, aren't killing people many in this country by the tens of thousands. as if the human trafficking and sex trafficking isn't totally out of control. it's outrageous. our security is threatened right now on our border. they would much rather spend money on ukraine's border than our own. i say again it's exactly backwards. it's insane. >> laura: have you ever heard senator schumer as exercised about america's security in our southern border? as he is about ukraine or frankly mitch mcconnell your colleague? i have never heard them in any way as passionate as they are about ukraine about the united states. >> no to both. absolutely not. and, listen, one of the reasons we are in the predicament we are in now republican leadership has been happy to go along with the president and shovel money to ukraine with no strings attached, no accountability, no oversight whatsoever. we are now, our border is wide open. we have got no understanding of how our money has been spent in ukraine and they are begging for more. so you bet. i mean, the congressional leadership of both parties is to blame here along with the president. and that's why it's time to say no. it's time to make american priorities the true priority here. >> laura: senator, great to see you don't. joe biden gets the most animated he has been in years over, what? details, next. ♪ my a1c was up here; now, it's down with rybelsus®. his a1c? it's down with rybelsus®. my doctor told me rybelsus® lowered a1c better than a leading branded pill and that people taking rybelsus® lost more weight. i got to my a1c goal and lost some weight too. rybelsus® isn't for people with type 1 diabetes. don't take rybelsus® if you or your family ever had medullary thyroid cancer, or have multiple endocrine neoplasia syndrome type 2, or if allergic to it. stop rybelsus® and get medical help right away if you get a lump or swelling in your neck, severe stomach pain, or an allergic reaction. serious side effects may include pancreatitis. gallbladder problems may occur. tell your provider about vision problems or changes. taking rybelsus® with a sulfonylurea or insulin increases low blood sugar risk. side effects like nausea, vomiting, and diarrhea may lead to dehydration, which may worsen kidney problems. need to get your a1c down? 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