>> emily: hello, everyone, this is "outnumbered," i'm emily compagno with my co-host kayleigh mcenany and joining us today kennedy saves the world podcast host kennedy, fox news contributor tammy bruce and "fox and friends" weekend co-host pete hegseth. ron desantis and gavin newsom stood face-to-face in the great red vs blue state debate. two of the nation's most outspoken governors, joined sean hannity in georgia and duked it out on issues and gave almost complete opposite perspect on border to president biden's job performance and after years of social media taunting, the two did not hold back when they squared off. >> governor desantis: i was talking to a fellow who moved from california to florida and he was telling me florida is better governed, safer, better budget, lower tacks and all this stuff and he was happy with the quality of life. he paused, by the way, i'm gavin newsom father-in-law, we count gavin's inlaws as people that left california. >> i can handle it, you're nothing, but a bully, intimidating people. >> governor desantis: california has freedoms other states don't. you have the freedom to defecate in public in california, freedom to pitch a tent on sunset boulevard, freedom to set up a tent under a bridge and set it on fire. >> governor newsom: neither of us will be the nominee for our party in 2024. >> governor desantis: we have to get real, biden has no business running for president and gavin newsom agrees with that, that is why he's running his shadow campaign. >> governor newsom: i will take joe biden 100 versus ron desantis at any age. >> emily: kayleigh, an explosive evening to be sure. two points you said, two moments that inlaw moment and governor desantis holding up that open the book map of san francisco flooded with feces and saying this is what happens under governor newsom's watch. what were your thoughts on the whole thing? >> kaylee: two huge moments for governor desantis, we were texting about how exciting the debate was, great job by sean hannity to put up the facts with sourcing, cdc, bureau of labor and statistics. you couldn't go against the facts and gavin newsom tried dochlt we have a facts prospect or messaging problem? in press, you can't solve the facts problem, you solve the messaging problem. gavin newsom, single best messenger in the democratic party unable to package the rotting pile of facts before him because california is in a state of failure. i gave him a c. he came across sharp. he still came across convincing to a certain segment of the population. if not trying to unseat joe biden. if not coming in 2024, coming in '28. what an effective moment when sean hannity, model for the whole of the republican party, asked him and did not let him back away, do you want restrictions on abortion in seventh, eighth or ninth month? these are full-term babies, he would not say there should be a single restriction on killing a full-term baby. every american needs to watch that, abortion is an an achilles heel. >> emily: as stinky as newsom's policy has been, rot california has suffered, he's in a shiny package and last night a lot of people felt he was delivering in a successful, effective way and that ron desantis, while having a practical approach and outlines why policies were effective was diluting, how do you feel both of them were or were not successful in that messaging component that many americans might have been seeing for the first time? >> pete: that's the thing, he's a made for tv candidate. he is comfortable in his own skin and kellyanne conway made the phrase alternate facts famous, he perfected idea of alternate facts last night. he would look at what was on the screen from the cdc, not true. not true. let me tell you instead. as matter of substance, of course governor desantis was the victor. if you don't trust the facts, he spun and spun and spun again, that shows you why he is such a politician. what sean hannity did at the beginning is what the media should do. he stood and said, you know where i stand, i'm conservative, this is my view, but i will present the facts and have a debate that doesn't represent mice opinion. what in nbc or abc did that, i'm liberal, i will try to debate. they say, no, i'm the middle ground and they never are. well done by sean. >> emily: let's talk about a moment between the two for a moment focusing on the border. take a watch. >> tammy: sure. >> this is a guy that says the biden administration is not lying to the public about the border, they go to the white house briefing room everyday and say the border is secure. they are lying to you. >> governor newsom: i'm the only guy here that is border straight governor. you want to outtrump trump. >> emily: what say you? >> tammy: it is word salad, he is like kamala harris, this is what you have to be when the facts are against you. it is like a magic trick, you have to distract people so they don't see what is going on under that cup. he is kamala harris, this is what democrats offer people, a lot of noise, some sound, but same time, this is important talking about facts and this is what i think ron desantis did very well with. he was prepared, it was smooth, but also authentic, genuine guy, somewhat imperfect and americans can determine immediately if you're dealing with a sharp, slimy guy and the two can go together or someone who and they learn this from trump, someone who may be kind of like shocking you a little bit, but he means it. you know he's serious and consistent. this was valuable for desantis and for the republicans to learn this, that it is not about not being gavin newsom, we saw ron desantis last night, as well, and the border is key. every state is a border state, he's not the only one and certainly florida is. there is water at one part of that dynamic of a border state, americans now with our lives in a free fall, the economy in a free fall, the world at war, jews being attacked, maybe we don't need the smart-looking guy who is greasy with the hair and has the smart look and head swivel and grin, enough already. >> emily: fascinating kennedy, tammy brought up kamala and a moment between the two where kamala was brought up, take a watch. >> joe biden is in the pocket of the teachers union and so is kamala harris, that is why they -- >> governor newsom: it is not kamala harris, shame on you, it's kamala, kamala harris, madam vice president to you. kamala harris. stop insulting. >> kennedy: kamala harris, shame on you for that? pronunciation is not top of mind for most americans, they are curious to see what relative covid deaths were, they were identical and curious to see what tax rates were in california versus florida, they are higher in california and to all your points, gavin newsom was like, taxes are lower in california thachl is a falsehood, one of the main reasons people leave, they pay too much in personal taxes and sales taxes and get taxed out of the state. he was confronted with crime statistics. yeah, crime is lower now than it was in the '90s, okay, take the deadly oast period in california history, how about compared to two years ago or five years ago. violent crime in that state is unsustainable. he tried to flip it back to gavin newsom and say, in orlando, you had high murder rate. yeah, we fired the da in trouble some parts of the state, i hope people watching, especially people on the fence, i hope independents saw what gavin newsom offered was propaganda and lies. this is first time we had substantive debate between two national candidates when we had all data and information, that made this incredibly important, this was battle of philosophy, we did not get in 2020, we did not have enough space between covid and reality. >> emily: i think about and worry about everything that gavin newsom said was a talking point that has been polished and shines and gleans and shines, i wonder if that will be amplified however, everything everyone said was truth versus falsehood and main-stream media perpetuate falsehoods he delivered in a gleaming package, i hope the media picks up what is true and not from last night. coming up, so much more, including biden administration shifting stance on israel's war effort and some believe in fear, they may abandon israel entire ly. introducing j.p. morgan personal advisors. hey david. connect with an advisor to create your personalized plan. let's find the right investments for your goals okay, great. j.p. morgan wealth management. 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"washington post" reporting what began as bear hug strategy of intense backing by president biden is one u.s. officials facing growing blowback have distanced themselves from israeli tactics. they are under intense political pressure. defensive demom rase mark dubowitz writing, biden administration is setting the stage to abandon israel. it is deteriorating into you don't have our support unless you can dismantle hamas quickly with little civilian casualty. that is impossible. times of israel, this is what antony blinken said in a private meeting. gallant says the entire israeli society is behind dismantling hamas, even if it takes months. blinken said, i don't think you have credit for that. that is as if 3000 americans died on 9/11 and israel said we don't have the credit while they are finding tunnels under children's beds and going into hospitals and finding weapons. >> pete: it is absolutely absurd and this is how hamas fights and who hamas is. we have seen it on display. vets spent two decades overseas knowing the depth of depravity to kill crusader, westerner. prime minister netanyahu says his statement of hamas will be eradicating, i believe him, that is what israel should do, down to the last of them including leaders in qatar. use that phrase, bear hug, a bear hug can go one way and the other way, you can strangle somebody with a bear hug, they will keep squeezing and squeezing, that has been instinct of this white house from the beginning, maybe joe has warm fuzzies for israel from the past. staffers and everybody in the white house are in the pro-palestinian and blinken at front end of that. you want to push a two-state solution? with who? who is in charge? terror state and now time to sweep in. it is upside down. >> kayleigh: your point about political lens, take a look at headlines. 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"new york times," biden navigates division over gaza inside the white house and beyond. the pressure on biden is coming because young voters are fleeing him, muslim voters are fleeing him and political pressure to bring voters home before november. >> emily: it shows how fickle the president has been, if he actually felt ideologically devoted and sound, 50 years meant anything, he would have stood firm from the beginning, this is showing his true colors, a, susceptible to pressure and b not being forward-thinking leader. obama is worse. it is afraid of escalation and fear of escalation has meant we have aligned our interest thus with the likes of hamas and the likes of russia because in the fear of escalation when we piecemeal support to ukraine, regardless how you feel, we said ukraine will support you. we will give you little bits and you can't defend yourself in this way from russia and do it in a timely fashion. it draws everything out and makes them unable to be successful. it is a slap in the face to our greatest ally and furthers interest of hamas because of our fear of escalation, we are stocking global condemnation of israel and not supporting them in ability to defend themselves because we're joining that course, limit this, don't do this, instead of saying we support you, come hell or high water and israel is like, we don't need you at all, we just need you to support us silently instead of getting into global affairs. hamas is laughing we are the greatest leaders and condemning israel ability to defend themselves. >> kayleigh: hamas is violating international law, i want to play this, kennedy, they are violating international law in not allowing red cross to see the hostages. ruby has a 19-year-old son who is a hostage, listen to what she says. according to international law, t international red cross has permanent mandate to visit hostages. the mission statement of the international red cross to protect lives and dignity of victims and conflict and violence and provide them with assistance. when you look at budget of the international red cross, 25% comes from u.s. taxpayers. i am a u.s. taxpayer, why is it international red cross has not visited my son and other hostages that require immediate medical attention. ruby deserves to see his son or have the red cross check on him. >> kennedy: we deserve to know who is alive, who perished or been tortured to death. the families are stuck in the hardest place of all. obviously they want their family members to be among the 110 released during the ceasefire and when fighting starts up again, their hearts have to sink, but they want more than anyone to send members of hamas to hell. and they are in the most difficult position of all. to your point, i don't think the president has foreign policy, i really don't. i think he is fickle and spineless and you are seeing this. he will try and placate israelis with words, but sends blinken with different action that feels they are being offered by rashida tlaib and ilhan omar. that makes it even harder for these families in the united states. >> no doubt. >> tammy: this whole problem with the biden administration and those advising him, no moral footing. we see it emerging, no moral sense of what is right, which is when leadership matters. they are placating to certain voters or voting blocks and that is when you get lost. you have to stand up, israel played their part and got rid of in syria and iraq, nuclear power plants and things, saving the world. israel knows what it is doing, this is sdlbt deliberate and cannot be a suicide pact and israel knows that and they need to move forward, west civilization and humanity is at stake. >> kayleigh: house makes history, george santos, sixth member of congress to be expelled and we'll bring you details next. ask about vraylar. because you are greater than your bipolar 1, and you can help take control of your symptoms - 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