trey: good evening and thank you for joining us i'm trey gowdy this is a special edition of "sunday night in america." ready or not here it comes. in less than one year americans will head to the polls to pick a president one third of th the senate and the whole house. the price it to say you have questions which we will try to answer throughout the course of our time together tonight starting with rich in new jersey. >> rich mueller from new jersey bussey tim scott has just withdrawn from the race for president. i'm really disappointed about that but i wonder what his change in the landscape to make it like that he doesn't have a chance? v6 to quote senator scott himself the voters said no, not now. but that does not mean no not never. this is not a political season or historical cycle where in someone with tim scott demeanor is going to flourish. politics right now covet fame over substance. politicians make the news for what they wear or tweet or say covet not what they do or even what they believe it. it is a cycle were anger in frustration have supplanted hope and optimism. policy is less important in personality. the gop primary voters when a different kind of candidate from what tim offers were you asked what changed, i think a lot of things have changed political opponents have become mortal enemies losing an election no longer means let's try harder next time it means the future of humankind is at risk. even though reagan lost and a ae link and a loss some candidates claim they cannot lose. write out when a landslide the likes of which have not been seen since but yet he would not be the republican nominee to the former president donald trump has a commanding lead nikki haley is rising for the governor ron desantis picked up a coveted endorsement by iowa governor kim reynolds burned for president trump beating president biden at all swing states it is early. lots can happen. president biden looks very beatable. it should be noted but also as a prevailing belief last fall republican voters were disappointed with the underwhelming midterm performance and as recently as this month with the loss to kentucky are republicans poised to take the white house, the senate keep the house? or will republicans be disappointed once again? we welcome fox news contributor karl rove appeared thank you for being here pretty art expert in all of this. let me start conformer president trump b2 joe biden next fall? if he is electable doesn't that impeach the main political argument against him? >> if it is trump versus bite it yes trump can win biden can win as well this is an election more people will be voting against the opponent them for their guy. the recent poll showing donald trump as a point or two ahead of joe biden nationwide further ahead in the early battleground states the key battleground states this is a real threat to joe biden's continued presence in office but it is by no means a guarantee of the outcome. 20 very close election either way the role of third party candidates none of them can win the presidency but all of whom can have a deep impact on who wins the presidency. all of these things are get to play out. either man can win in donald trump is ahead today. >> are there gop presidential hopefuls that would fare better against joe biden and the former president? >> absolutely. the polls show for example one pole had donald trump over biden by two i think nikki or ron desantis was up by four. the generic republican was up by 16 and one pole. so yes absolutely i've long felt the party that figures out a new and different face th phase than or trump is the party that's going to have the advantage in 2024 buried the american people do not want to have a contest between 78 had wo and had won at four years ago they want to pass the torch if you will to a younger generation of leaders that is why the american people believe both men are too old to be president. donald trump by a majority and joe biden by nearly three quarters of the american voters. absolutely this is going to be an interesting contest for ill be more interesting if someone new enters the nominee of either party. >> republicans have had a series of disappointments in senate races or that that was candidate selection or candidate performance. west virginia does seemed like a pickup. you had arizona, ohio, pennsylvania, they look like they will be primary battles between election deniers, maga republicans and more mainstream republicans. what do you see on the senate side? >> first of all i would add two more states to your list in at michigan and wisconsin sees me three wisconsin and nevada but let's break it down into three groups. the ones most winnable for the republicans of the three states carried by donald trump at each of the last two elections of those are montana, west virginia excuse me ohio. i agree with you west virginia it looks good. we have a great candidate in my opinion in montana and jon tester has costs that will be problematic for him that it is a potential pickup if we win that one we hold all of our seats. and ohio is voted terrifically for republicans in recent years the statewide ticket one between 21 and 27 points with one exception. the republicans nominate a normal republican and need a shot and how despite brown is a cuffed tough candidate. one by donald trump at each of the last election the next year are going to be where it was close and where it was closest in arizona it's a complicated picture they're there to there s or three candidates. they probably will went of his two candidates republican and democrat gifts to be a lot tougher because the likely republican is kari lake who lost the governor's race, refused to acknowledge see them gone out of their way to put her eye and the more moderate john mccain stout republicans in the state than pennsylvania was just over 1.8% we have a terrific candidate there and david mccormick who seems real to avoid a primary the state party endorsed him unanimously. the seven senate committee is behind him. others have endorsed him he is a terrific human being personal friend of mine i think the world of him i think it's going to give bob casey a race for the record books. it is a saint is going to be tough it will be one of the centerpieces of the presidential campaign then the question is michigan, wisconsin, nevada the question is going to be to determine to some degree up we have a good candidate that emerges from the primaries. a lot of time ahead but we have good candidates either in the field is the case of michigan or thinking it in the case of wisconsin in a crowded primary and nevada those are all going to be races where the republicans do have a shot. they were very close in the presidential race in 2016 at michigan and wisconsin and nevada and again in 2024 wisconsin and nevada not so much on the quality of the can it's going to matter immensely. >> my old stomping grounds have been a disaster as of late. they cannot even bring a republican bill to the floor. will it not matter in a year? >> it depends what happens between now and then. the keep doing with the republicans are doing, it will matter. their chances of keeping the majority more difficult by how they have acted it is a small group has continued to block the ability of house republicans to advance an upbeat agenda. that causes them to be able say this is what i am for it was blocked by democrat senate and a democratic president but it is an uphill climb through plenty of time to turn around and see if the new speaker could do that. but it's who thus far have not proven themselves to be constructive. >> karl rove, hope you had a great thanksgiving thank you as always loaning us your expertise in joining us on a sunday night take care. >> you bet, thank you i'm getting over the mashed potatoes and ham and everything else somewhat with it. >> good for you, me too. take care, coming up present biden's trailing some possible doobie canvas in the polls. is it too early for democrats to start worrying question requests asked democrrecklessdemocratic n wa the chase ink business premier card is made for sam who makes, everyday products, designed smarter. genius! like 2.5% cash back on purchases of $5,000 or more, so sam can make smart ideas, a brilliant reality! chase for business. make more of what's yours. ♪ we're building a better postal service. with easy, more affordable ways to ship. so you can deliver even more holiday joy. the united states postal service. delivering for america. >> tech: cracked windshield on your new car? 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>> good evening, good to be with you. biden presents going to be the nominee in 2020 for his cola's the party behind him. he's going to run a strong campaign that's arty active he will absolutely be our nominee and our standard come next november. >> all right, kevin britt i believe you but i'm going to play you a montage from arguably the most reliable loyal constituency of all. which would be the media. going to listen to the montage from good to ask a question on the other side. >> as many voters concerned president by the age is no laughing matter special as he seeks reelection next year provokes a five alarm fire a cardiac case in need of a defibrillator. >> a slow march into the sea to drown. >> that it' is out 2024 is being described democratic strategist who are worried joe biden cannot do what he did in 2020 per. >> when it comes to his age is not about what he says but what he doesn't say trying to pivot to other issues. >> present has an age problem. >> you have got some of that leading up that's the right phrase on the democrat side you've got some polling which suggests the presence trailing the former president and many swing states. do you make of that? what do you say if the there any democrats watching what would you say to them to quit worrying this far out too. >> democrats love to kind of but the bed, throw up their hands they all is lost. what you just said in the intro we over performed and the midterms this is the first time in a long time that president's party actually increase their share of senate seats. we held republicans are just a five seat majority in the house that's gotten closer since 2022. so listen, the president is going to campaign hard. going to bring the message of the american people were going to spend billions of dollars on both sides framing th this elecn are mining foes to last four years of the trump administration with all of the disasters at play. and again think the present at the end of the day is going to be successful i look at the guy who won at last go around by eight more votes that is my guide to win in this. trey: owing to engage in hypothetical with me. we are in court, you are an expert and i can ask you a hypothetical. >> you are longtime solicitor i'm a little worried about that big. >> i am arrested, i am rusty trust me you will do just fine. president biden called junes yod said hope you had a great thanksgiving i wanted you to be among the first to know i've had a great run i'm just not going to do it again. who would you say wouldn't run if he did not? who would be the likely nominee? who is the next in your judgment? >> democrats have great advantage we have great governors that could step up and perform gavin newsom, josh shapiro, got a great vice president who would run hard who is already running a race for president running the national campaign. i think the democrats are well-positioned for 2028 after the second term of the biden ministration. >> before i let you go there is a trend that propping up the most extreme candidate in primaries in both sides do it. republicans prop up the most, democrats prop up. do you think, it's kind of a high-stakes game of general election poker do you see that trend continuing in 2024 next fall? >> sadly i do into your point sometimes it works sometimes it doesn't we get more extreme people in washington. he spent many years in washington working across party lines building relationships you can stick to your guns be conservative be liberal but don't be extreme. so i worry sometimes only on the other side and the same with them. >> kevin walling thank you so much for joining us on thanksgiving weekend. hope you had a fantastic thanksgiving and if the president biden does call you, let us know. okay? 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third-party could play the role of a spoiler in 2024 but beyond 2024 is america really ready for a nether and different kind of political party? joining us now to discuss associate research scholar politics and public affairs at princeton university. do you think a third party could actually win? or more likely force the election to the house floor? let me withdraw the first question. do you think you can force it to the house floor? that scares me even more honestly. >> i do not think that's likely either. you are exactly right. just because a third-party candidate cannot win and the election system that we have does not mean they cannot spoil an election very does not mean they cannot affect the outcome. doesn't mean they cannot change the base. we have a single political science called law is to censure this idea it a plurality system with the single winner like we have, third party can assume that when they do not get enough support. that's why they don't form it. voters do not want to waste their roast. it also holds those minority votes tend to split toward the closer majority party. this year candidates like rfk who were at least one point a registered democrat summit like joe manchin those would be votes we would think would hurt biden that's why democrats are really worried about this. trey: i scared myself i was thinking about president election on the floor the house they cannot even decide whether to adjourn or not. can you imagine the election question rick i'm going to move on. you have a phd i have morally it a ged when it comes to politics. thirty party candidates to me usually hurt the party or the candidate they are actually most closely aligned with. like ross perot to me hurt george bush not bill clinton. people are going to vote for a third-party candidate, do they realize? do they care it is really like a half a vote for the party they especially don't like? >> these are all good points. trade, you know it off a lot about politics i would not sell yourself short there the case of the 92 election those votes actually took away from both candidates. surveys after the election showed it was almost a 50/50 split. the republican and democrat. it is a really good point this could actually hurt both parties your point about dysfunction, i completely agree with. i do not think were going to get there. but the dynamics of the national races right now could also affect they're down ballot house and senate races in 2024. that we don't really know what we are looking at yet as far as the landscape. click since i have you i have to ask you this. we had third-party proponents of it is at issue based trend or a personality based trend. in trying to think of issues would neither political party captures were most americans are. might be right for a third way. >> is a person a balance trend. they don't like donald trump do not want to hold their nose and vote for him it isn't issues based problem. promoters right now are far away from the moderate voters who decide national elections. they'rtherefrom the moderates. most primary voters and antiabortion. it's quite strong striking democrats are really a week on the issues that matter to voters. the economy, crime, immigration. at all these issues voters have consistently said republicans owe more competent and credible but because republicans have these two issues that produce more extreme candidates in the primaries they put themselves at odds with the median voter and that's really the risk that they have it. >> you would think it may be in a couple hundred years they would figure that out. but so far not many of them. thank you for joining us on a sunday night hope you had a great thanksgiving. >> you too, thanks trey. >> yes, ma'am. voters may seem reluctant to embrace a biden/trump rematch but will that result? how if at all will it impact senate gubernatorial and house races question at joining us now at washington examiner columnist and reporter salida, thank you so much for joining us. it is all very confusing for me. voters say they do not want a rematch of 2020 but that seems to be exactly with the primary voters are