[music] trey: good evening thank you for joining us i'm trey gowdy, it's "sunday night in america," forget about chicago, real violence is in congress. senate look like fight club as republican senator markwayne mullin took off his rings and offered to step outside with a union boss. >> the last one said, greedy ceo who pretends like she self made, what a clown. fraud. always has been, always will be. quit the tough guy act in the senate hearings, you know where to find me, any place, any time, cowboy. sir, this is a time, this is a place, you want to run your mouth, we can finish it here. >> okay that's fine, perfect. >> do you want to do it now. >> i'd love do it now. >> then stan your bu butt up. >> you stand you butt up, hold on. trey: that really was bernie sanders intervening to stop a donny brook. blessed be peacemakers markwayne mullin is a fighter, a real fighter, he grew up tough, which is why fighting is part of what he did before he got to congress, not an excluse, just anti explaining. >> kevin mccarthy walked by and helloed me in the kidneys as he walked by, if caught me off guard. >> you felt it was on purpose. >> 100% on purpose, what are the chances. >> mccarthy denied it, bu accused kev o kevin mccarthy of making fun of his rebringon -- >> which is weird. so it might be best not to make personal accusations than wonder why ange irish man like kevin mccarthy might respond. on not to be outdone in the quest for attention, marjorie taylor greene called republican darrell issa a word that cannot be used on television, other republicans called nancy mace a narcissist and chairman of house of oversight, called a colleague dressed in blue a smurf . >> you look like a smurf . >> you have been proven a liar. >> what's that. >> who is proving me a liar? you. >> yes. trey: and congress adjourned after republicans took down another republican spending bill. jason chaffetz and harold ford jr. are both former members of congress, i bet they are just as baffled as i am, congressman ford, i could not get through the entire congressional crime report, this is just a one hour show. i had to just hit the highlights of the crime committed. what is up with that. >> first, thank you for having me, happy sunday. i smiled as you introduced a segment but really this is not funny, the kind of restraint you would hope that leaders of our country would show on television and respect and decorum to people coming to testify before their committee and back and forth between the members of congress it is embeembarrassing and unfortunate. i understand that the moment can get the worst of you at times, but about what was most surprises to me in both episodes, when they were confronted about this four times after what they did, they doubled and tripled down on it, this is re-- these kinds of activities, you would expect in a third world banana republic but not these united states of america, i hope that weekend they are able to cool off a bit. trey: we used to jokingly refer to parts of congress as professional wrestling. chairman chaffetz to me this goes back in part to january, when speaker mccourty was defrocked when they linked arms with rashida tlaib and adam schiff and got rid of a speaker that 95% of them wanted to keep, to ford's point, when does this end? how does this end? >> well, trey thank you, on a segment did incivility, i am thrilled you thought of me. if there were more harold ford jr.s in congress we would never have this issue, i think it started before, that i think rise of social media has given a permission slip, if you will to members who are trying for that sensational youtube moment to put on their social media. that has driven a lot of the incivility and the need, you will see members of congress with their staff and their phone in their grill, they prerehearsed a lot of these, some was was spontaneous, but the speech debate and wrestling clause, nothing will happen, other than we get to talk about it members are protected. tthis is not productive this is not moving the ball forward, we may joke and smile about it, but people know we're not solving the big issues of the day from information and inflation and wars in the world and homelessness, this is a side show which ask not productive. trey: lot me play the devil's advocate. harold, there must not be any consequence for. there was an exchange between chairman comer and a democrat but most of what we went through is republican on republican violence. so, there must not be a consequence among republican primary voters or they would not continue to engage in it you are a democrat but also a very fair minded guy, when did this beki beam en vogue. >> i don't think, i thank jason for the kind words, the point he makes about social media and the quest, you said it also at end of opening, trey, about the unrelenting pursuit for attention, politick politics used to be about substance and fixing things, today it is about sensationalism, hits and likes and followers you have until we get away from some of that -- at the moment it is republican on republican, it could be democrat or democrat or republican on democrat, it makes the institution, to jason's point, you think about the bigger issues, i it makes it harder to find compromise within your own party let alone with the other party if there is the kind of shenanigans and embarrassing things happening there. trey: chairman chaffetz, you rose to level of chairmanship before you left congress, you understand the dynamics, kevin mccarthy was bounced out as speaker for allegedly working with democrats not cutting spending. and this week, the new speaker did the same thing, some people are wondering what was that drama about, if the new speaker whom i like, did the same thing that the old speaker, whom i like, did, where why once you one keep the other. >> i think they are giving new speaker a little bit of a honeymoon to tackle this in two week's time, i think frustration with speaker mccarthy, he is a good person, when you take a 5 week recess then come back in to session, say, we don't have enough time to do the appropriation pills that does not go over well. i would like there to be more debate, or discussion, more regular order that think that would solve a lot of it. over in united states sip at, you -- when is the last time you saw most deliberative body on the face of the planet debate, it does not happen there. trey: they have been in session for 8 straight weeks, it has lead to a series of law enforcement encounters that whole rap sheet i read, that happened in the last little while they have been around each other a lot. maybe taking a break might be good. but you are right, it is ironic i would have two of the nice efs civil people who have certained in congress, to talk about bad boys and girls gone wild, i hope at some point we'll expect more from our leaders, happy early thanksgiving, thank you for joining us on a sunday night. >> thank you. trey: thank you. >> thank you. trey: coming up israel raided a gaza hospital and calls for a ceasefire increase. aviv ezra will join us with more and house foreign affairs committee congressman mike mccaul will brick down the biden xi jinping meet ♪ we're building a better postal service. with easy, more affordable ways to ship. so you can deliver even more holiday joy. the united states postal service. delivering for america. -when you bundle your home or renters with your auto, progressive provides protection for almost everything you own. -but do you really need... -my weighted hoop? it's for my snatched waist. foot treadmill. purse that says purse. my tuesday chalice. lake making kit. mushroom humidifier. futuristic coat rack. tells you how many coats are on it. two. trey: welcome back to "sunday night in america," fighting in gaza now involved a major hospital, not because israel is targets the hospital but israel alleges hamas directs rocket attacks from the hospital and hamas as a tunnel complex unthe hospital. a command center for terrorism in a hospital. meanwhile more members of congress have seen the footage from the hamas attacks, members were reduced to tears some, described as absolutely evil. joining us now israel acting console general in new york ariai haaviv ezra thank you for joining us. welcome back. >> thank you for having me back. 100% the question of the shifa hospital represents microcosm of what is happening in gaza strip, we have hamas, hiding in a hospital, like they are hiding in hospitals in schools in kindergartens, behind innocent civilians of their own using them as human shields, shooting at israeli forces then later on complaining this i real israel is shooting back, we have verified and shared evidence with media that we know that hamas is running their command and control centers from beneath the hospitals their weapon depots are there, they use the location to use the attacks against israel. i am suring with you, not must of just israel intelligence it was independently verified by the white house, with president saying, what hamas is doing is a war crime. when hamas is doing is unaccept israel has right by international law to protect itself and shoot back, the location like this will use its immunity if it attacks the force that are coming in, it was not just verified by israeli intelligence forces but actually by the white house that independently verified it. trey: let me ask you any something that i don't understand, you may not either. hamas uses civilians at shields, hospitals as front, they kill innocent women and children, yet there are so many young people that are seemingly sides -- i don't want to say with hamas, they are sides with the palestinian cause? which at times is intertwined with hamas, why are we seeing this kind of my generation supporting israel but younger people kind of a a ambivalent on who to side with. >> they can support bin laden and hamas, that is the same support. when they quall palestine will be free from riffer river to the sea, best case, they are ignorant, because they don't know river and the sea, but if the -- what we see as a broad support for israel not just from public opinion, last week i attended an amazing rally in dc with more than 300,000 pro israel, jews and non-jews very calmly and peacef peacefully support israel's right for self-defense and i have seen the executive branch and legislative branch, including the speaker, minority leader, including majority leader of the senate, and forces from the republican senators, saying clearly now to anti-semitism and israel has the right to -- no to anti-semitism and israel has right too defend itself and israel has right to do whatever it takes to bring back our children. that our hostages for more than 40 days now in the hands of these butchers, radicals. terrorist organizations. trey: you say do whatever it takes it has been less than two months oorld we already there are calls for ceasefire and withdrawal, they are getting louder, share with the viewers what israel and im idf hope to resolve in gaza. >> a ceasefire is not possible without the release of all of our hostages, your military campaign will be a smartly addressed, we'll go deep into the gaza strip and make sure that hamas will be eradicated. you have seen they have butchered two of the hostages, that's found, they were in the surroundings of shifa hospital, by the law of wore, the justification to go after the murderers and bring back our hostages. trey: aviv ezra thank you for joining us, on what is likely to be a protracted battle in gaza we look forward to having you back at some point. >> president biden and chinese president xi jinping gathered for a summit outside of grand to quote help th friendly ties between the two countries. it is hard to reconcile friendly ties with spy balloons. china may give the u.s. more panda bears. probably a good idea to check the panda bears for listening devices. joining us now house foreign affairs commity chair, texas congressman michael call. two world super powers need to talk, but what do you make of what was accomplish ed, if anything at this meeting. >> i think that military to military communication was important that is with admiral a. >> is' problem, they dean have a minister of defense in china, he has disappeared under chairman xi 's reign, that calls into question whether you can trust china. i am skeptical they removed institute of forensic science from our entity's list, our sanction list, they take biometrics and genetic information from uighur muslims and transport them to forced labor krchls, you, and i and reagan, talking about rights and freedom. >> chairman, you hava a have spend your career studying -- for the rest of us what should we be looking at in weeks and months to come. what are you going to be watching? >> i like panda bears, they say don't poke the panda. i have been looking for can our military talk with theirs, and follows fentanyl production go down, i am sceam call. i believe that second of homeland security is complicit w can human death and human trafficking. trey: you are a former prosecutor, if you were sitting with president xi, would you have asked him about covid or spy balloons. do you think those things were broad up or is if you know better to leave that and focus on fentanyl and what will happen in future. >> that is all they could negotiate, i would talk to them about their theft of intellectual property, they went into the building of the spy balloon, we recovered that lo we found american made component parts in the spy balloon, the hyther hyper sonic weapon they have is built on backbone of american technology. this is a real threat. they are building the chinese military. that is what i would be really focused on, if i were king for a day, they will not stop their chest of intellectual property they are very good at it and espionage. >> chairman, you referenced ronald reagan we'll close with this, i think he said, trust but verify. as it relates to china might be a good idea to lace en and talk but always verify, mike mccaul from the great state of texas thank you for joining us. >> i would say don't trust and verify. >> chairman mccaul thank you. >> thank you, trey. trey: up next, supreme court had a tough couple of years, now there is a new code of ethics will after the break. 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