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♪ if. [national anthem] ♪ ♪ [national anthem] ♪ ♪ [national anthem] ♪ ♪ will: we begin this morning with a fox news alert, thousands of pro-palestinian protesters raging through the streets of our nation's capital yesterday. [inaudible conversations] >> stop funding genocide! israel -- [inaudible] rachel: vandals have been hitting the white house, smearing red paint on the northwest gate. some even tried to the climb over the gates. we're seeing this all over the globe swarming the world's biggest cities including toronto. meanwhile, in israel, the iron dome intercepting rocket fire coming from if gaza overnight. pete: the idf also striking several hezbollah terror hubs along the jewish state's northern border with lebanon as fierce over a wider ranging conflict continue to escalate. jonathan hunt is on the ground many jerusalem with the latest. jonathan. >> reporter: will, rachel, pete, good morning to you guys. it was another very active night in gauze both on the ground and -- gaza both on the ground and in the air. the israeli air force launching strikes at a neighborhood south of gaza city. several buildings in the video that we saw reduced to rubble there. the hamas-run health ministry in gaza says that dozens of civilians were killed in those airstrikes. the idf has not commented on them yet, and we have no way of confirming those claims of dozens of civilians being killed. the idf has said continually, of course, it targets only hamas terrorists who sometimes hide behind civilians. mean tile, we're -- can meantime, we're in the final hour of a four-hour window that the israeli authorities said they would give civilians to get out of gaza city and again move south. we have a map of the evacuation route there showing where the israeli forces have said civilians should use to get south and then further on to the rafah crossing, that southern border point where gaza meets egypt. so we are in, we have about 56 minutes or so the go of that evacuation window. we'll see if the strikes pick up once again then. in the meantime, obviously, there has been intense ground activity. that has not stopped. the israeli forces inside gaza continuing to the fight face to face with hamas terrorists that they are searching for both aboveground and underground in that tunnel network we talked about so often. secretary of state anthony antony blinken, meantime, is continuing his diplomatic shuttling around the region. he was in the west bank a short time ago meeting with the palestinian president, mahmoud abbas. he called for an immediate ceasefire, the u.s. secretary of state reiterated the position that they do not support a ceasefire right now, they do support more humanitarian aid getting into gaza. i spoke to one of abbas' political rivals in ramallah, head of what is essentially the third party there, the palestinian national initiative. and like many palestinians in the west bank, he was highly critical of everything the biden administration has done since this conflict began. listen here. >> the position of the the united states of america including the president and the secretary, why they don't ceasefire. they're the only country in the world who can put a limit to this massacre, to this genocide. they are the only ones who can restrain israel and stop the bombardment of gaza. they can do it if they want. >> reporter: but the u.s. is, of course, backing israeli resistance to a full ceasefire if because israel says if they ins gate a full ceasefire, all that will do is give hamas time to reorganize, rearm, reposition themselves. so they say a ceasefire rewards only hamas. guys, back to you. rachel: jonathan, quick question here. what did that man that you just spoke to or even mahmoud abbas if you've heard of any statements, what have they said about hamas? i understand they want a ceasefire, but what do they say about hamas? >> reporter: well, you know, they are -- mahmoud abbas is not supportive of hamas, what they did on october the 7th. neither is the man that we spoke to there. but they all are more generally supportive of hamas in the sense that they think israel and the united states are wrong in continuing this bombardment would want a ceasefire if which would allow, hay believe, more time to negotiate the release of hostages, etc. but what i can tell you as well, rachel, which is really interesting from our time in the west bank is that the palestinian authority which mahmoud abbas leads there is losing support day by day, minute by minute. and more and more palestinians in the west bank are becoming more and more supportive of hamas. and, or in fact, people there when we were there were telling us that if elections were held right now in the west bank, the palestinian authority, ma muled abbas' party, fatah, would lose those elections and hamas would win. just imagine how terrifying a positive peck that is for everybody in israel, the fact that the hamas could win with elections in the west bank and represent 2.7 million palestinians there. will i'll -- will: what an update. jonathan, thank you so much. rachel: is that reality that he just talked about, that hamas would win today, is that because hamas is feeling bolstered by all the support in the west? in other words, that their strategy, their terror the strategy of getting what they want in this dispute is effective many at least, you know, gaining support among young people and europeans and liberals in general? pete: i think what you see there is there have been decades and decades of intractable resistance, right? and fatah's tried to be this governing authority in the west bank. and you've seen disagreements over land. i think when things don't change, radicalism is bred. i mean, you get people so frustrated they say i'm going to the alternative that inspires me, because i don't see an end state otherwise. and i think -- and then in reaction to, i mean, you might be in the west bank and not love hamas, but you probably don't support what israel's doing in gaza, so as a result, you catapult into the camp of supporting hamas. i mean, that's the side effects of all this stuff, is that, you know, who knows what'll happen many other regions. will: it's the probably been very difficult throughout the last couple of decades to be someone in the proverbial middle before this began, and this is only going to the shove people toward the extremes. rachel: great point. will: meanwhile, right here at home we i saw just yesterday a huge pro-palestinian protest in our nation's capital in washington, d.c. can. within that protest is a discussion that we had yesterday. we heard are from some of those individuals what they thought, what they said, what they chanted, what they spray painted. watch. >> shame, shame, usa! [inaudible] [inaudible conversations] >> no justice -- >> no peace! [cheers and applause] >> 1, 2, 3, 4 -- [inaudible] >> occupation no more! 5, 6, 7, 8 -- will: the white house and other -- or, actually, buildings in washington, d.c. were tagged with graffiti that that basically begins to put the moniker on joe biden which is something to think about politically, he can't sit there in the white house and be happy9 with the fact they're calling him genocide joe. wherever you stand on this issue, he has a constituency it's going to be necessary for him to win president of the united states, and this is becoming a real issue for him, i think, within the democratic party. rachel: yeah, to see the blood -- the paint symbolizing the blood, that he has blood on his hands because he is giving weapons to the israelis which they say -- which we know are killing, you know, noncombatants as well as hamas. so that's what that's about. but again, i have to the listen to the what -- there's certain parts of what they're saying that i can sympathize with and i understand there's a lot of sides to this, you know, land dispute and all this. but when they say -- i'll. will: that that's a hezbollah flag right there, that yellow one. rachel: when they say from the river to the sea, that, you know, i've had so many people write me and say that definitely means -- we kind of debated what does that mean. that it does mean the -- i don't see, i looked really hard to see if i saw any two-state solution -- pete: no. rachel: -- posters, and i really wanted to the see that, because i want to see peace, i want to see a compromise. i like to the believe that's possible. but i'm looking for that in there, and it's fair to call it a genocide, but you cannot say, you know, from the river to the sea and no two-sate the solution and say you want to coexist. pete: also the two-state solution is dead. talk to anybody, it's been dead for years. it's just something that's revived by politicians, but it'e ground, it's not the case. there are signs that say sleepy joe, wake up, to the your point. you saw with dean phillips in new hampshire, this is something where a loud, radical element of their party will give no quarter to a politician that would support israel. and so in that case, this is a brewing problem for joe. you know the other thought i had watching this yesterday? remember the syrian refugees after 2007 the that flooded europe? -- 2011? a lot went to germany, sweden and others, and we covered these images, oh, my goodness, look at these hundreds of thousands of syrians going into europe. that was only 6 million total of. how many have we let in across our border under biden? 6.5, 7, 7.5? this is our syrian refugee moment. i'm not saying all of these people are refugees and all these people didn't the can come across the border, but what we've effectively done is opened up our country to the globe and the globe's views. and as a result, you get stances like this in washington d.c. rachel: we do a terrible job assimilating, you're absolutely right. pete: none, none. job of assimilating? our schools teach kids to hate this country. we slot them into a sliding scale of oppressor and oppressed, and then we wonder why they're chanting from the river to the sea in fromm of the the white house? we created this problem. will: in the middle of that protest was griff jenkins, and he's going to join us at 7:30 a.m. eastern time on "fox & friends." meanwhile, down in florida republican candidates for president took the stage the at the florida freedom summit. you heard from not just asa hutchinson and. chris:ty, all of who had something to the say about donald trump, but then you heard from donald trump. watch. >> as someone who's been in the courtroom for over 25 years as a federal prosecutor and also in defending some of the most serious federal criminal cases, i can say that there is a significant likelihood that don trump will be -- donald trump will be found guilty by a jury on a felony offense next year. [inaudible conversations] >> what a shock, you're for trump. every one of those boos, every one of those cat calls, every one of those yells will not keet solve one problem we pace in this country. -- we face in this country. it will not make this country better. your anger -- [inaudible conversations] your anger, your anger against the truth is reprehensible. >> i mean, i heard they booed christie off the stage today, is that true? [cheers and applause] i really say what's he doing. look, we're all in a party, we want to win this race. what's he doing? the guy's -- he's at 1.5, okay? and how about ada hutchinson. not asa, ada. and i heard he got booed off -- can who got more boos, christie or ada hutchinson? >> christie. >> new york i heard they virtually booed him off the stage because, you know, what's it all about? he's just doing it because i didn't give him a job in the administration? what's he doing? will: i do appreciate the question of whatst the all about, because as you watch chris christie not attack donald trump, but attack that audience, what do you, what is your goal? what is there to be accomplished? and if you say to me, okay, well, it's in the even to win president, it's to try to, in his estimation, force through the truthsome? what i would respond so the that, assuming he's on the side of the truth, well, that's not a very persuasive way to force through the truth. so it doesn't even accomplish probably his stated goals, much less winning the nomination for president. rachel: i'm a lot more cynical. i think chris christie's goal is to get a contract at one of the the networks and to get on boards. if you are an anti-trump republican, there's lots of corporate boards that will take you. that's what i think right there. also i think the boos are not even about any of this. because what asa brought with up was all the cases against donald trump, right? all the criminal cases that are waged against him. and he says, you know, i was in, i was a prosecutor at one time, and i'm telling you he's going to be put in jail. and i think republicans are mad that democrats and establishment republicans want to pick or their candidate or are telling them who they can nominate, and heir doing it through law fare. it's wrong. pete: in doubt. they got booed for different reasons. chris christie, he is staying relevant so he can get a tv contract, it's fine. asa's like, hey, guy, don't you know? he's probably going to be found guilty on one of those things. and everybody factored that in. 91 counts, they know what it is, that it's law fare. interesting to the know that i'm pretty sure chris christie signed the pledge. he can't participate in the debates unless you signed a pledge to the support the i eventual nominee. someone should ask him about that. rachel: is he going to be at the next debate this week? pete: i don't think he's made the cut. rachel: i don't think asaed the did either. i'd like to get from our control room the list of who's going to be on the debate. pete: will and i are going off the wall about that, so by then we'll know who's going to be on stage -- will: and the three of us are doing a post-debate analysis. [laughter] rachel: speaking of, i'm also going to be at the debate -- [laughter] pete: great we know all about it. rachel: i'm actually going to have a better time because i'm going to be the at la caretta, very famous can cuban restaurant in miami, and that's going to be the on thursday morning after the debate. so i'm looking forward to that, and i'll be on with you the night before. pete: good stuff. rachel: all right. we're going to turn now to your headlines. this developing in germany, hamburg's airport remains closed this morning due to the a hostage situation. police say a man ran through the airport's gate, through the airport gates yesterday with his 4-year-old daughter inside the car. german police say he fired a weapon twice, officers believe he may have taken his daughter from her mother by force in a possible custody battle. they were on the scene negotiating with him for to hours. immigration courts are sounding the alarm as more than 2.5 million immigration cases are piling up. one judge warning there just isn't enough judges or staff to handle this crisis as thousands of migrants head to denver prosecute southern border. -- from the southern border. he says some migrants could receive temporary status such as a work permit while others may be granted asylum. the border patrol says they just wave them through, no the problem, nothing. to college football, the alabama crimson tide proved to be too much for the lsu tigers in a top 15 match last might winning 42-28. meanwhile, the longhorns' superfan matthew mcconaughey or will's future -- pete: what? rachel: -- campaign opponent. [laughter] enjoying a birthday drink with fox's big noon kickoff crew ahead of texas' game with kansas state. >> it's been so long. [cheers and applause] rachel: you're going to have to look at that -- [laughter] can you do that? pete: he's saying, what do you mean? will: i don't appreciate that question. [laughter] rachel: yeah. pete: how can they have a swig on the air? what are they drinking? tequila? rachel: i wasn't looking. [laughter] the wildcats forcing overtime after a huge fourth quarter comeback before falling just short a few minutes later. >> empty back field. howard looking, howard scrambles, howard lets it go, incomplete! and texas survives! rachel: texas squeaks by kansas state 33-30. mcconaughey receiving the perfect gift for his 54 birthda- [laughter] and those are your headlines. will: what are you laughing at? rachel: you guys want me to be interested in sports. i get interested, and you're not liking it. will: you got interested in sports -- [laughter] pete: the same way 13-year-old girls are now interested in the chiefs. will: right. pete: president it's not -- rachel: you guys get cheerleaders and i get matthew mcconaughey. that seems fair, right? pete: that's fair. by the way, chris christie did qualify for the debate. rachel: he did? pete: shocking. i don't know. rachel: well -- will: he signed two pledges. [laughter] pete: all right. coming up, freedom under fire as a woman is arrested for silent prayer at a u.k. abortion clinic? >> can i please ask you to the step outside the exclusion zone? >> [inaudible] >> but you've said you're engaging in prayer, which is the offense. >> [inaudible] >> you were still engaging in prayer. pete: oh, boy. her message of faith ahead. will: but first, field hockey horror. a high school female athlete is sent to the hospital and her are knocked out by a male player's shot. now the superintendent is calling to protect women in sports, and he's next. sam, who- everyday products, designed smarter. like a smart coffee grinder, that orders fresh beans for you. oh, genius! for more breakthroughs like that- i need a breakthrough card. like ours! with 2.5% cash back on purchases of $5,000 or more. plus unlimited 2% cash back on all other purchases. and with greater spending potential, sam can keep making smart ideas- a brilliant reality! the ink business premier card from chase for business. make more of what's yours. i told myself i was ok with my moderate to severe rheumatoid arthritis symptoms. with my psoriatic arthritis symptoms. but just ok isn't ok. and i was done settling. if you still have symptoms after a tnf blocker like humira or enbrel, rinvoq is different and may help. rinvoq is a once-daily pill that can dramatically relieve ra and psa symptoms, including fatigue for some. it can stop joint damage. and in psa, can leave skin clear or almost clear. rinvoq can lower your ability to fight infections, including tb. serious infections and blood clots, some fatal; cancers, including lymphoma and skin cancer; death, heart attack, stroke, and tears in the stomach or intestines occurred. people 50 and older with at least one heart disease risk factor have higher risks. don't take if allergic to rinvoq as serious reactions can occur. tell your doctor if you are or may become pregnant. done settling? 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so essentially, there's no men's field hockey team, so law required that this guy could join the female hockey team? >> that's correct. the massachusetts equal rights amendment allows this under the state guidelines for interscholastic association. and there are some schools that do have male field hockey teams, but this particular school doesn't. and so because they don't, male students are allowed the participate on that amendment legally. will: while i said this is not a story about trans athletes, it is in a way. it is the in the fact that it represents a biological reality that men have a strength and speed advantage over women. and here i don't know -- i would love to hear your opinion of this -- how much of this is tied to this male player having those advantages, having that and representing then a are risk to female athletes that are on the same field as him. and i'm sure this male player feels regretful, but it just highlights whether or not we're talking about this particular montana law or the trans-- massachusetts law or the trans athlete issue, the difference between women and men. >> yeah. i mean, i think if the law is going to allow for this, then there have to be protections in place because, you know, there is a difference. this is not a comment on the strength of female athletes. i have, i have two daughters that were both solid high school athletes. i have tremendous respect for female athletes. but, you know, a few years ago in massachusetts boys' volleyball players were required to the play from the if back line, and that's because of the fact that if they played on the front line, there was concern about the velocity of their spike. and what i don't understand is -- i do understand those restrictions were deemed illegal by the state of massachusetts, but i don't understand why, you know, the miaa, which is our state association, can't try to find some middle ground where restrictions are going to allow for all of our athletes to be safer. will: the massachusetts interscholastic athletic association said we understand the complexity that exists regarding student safety, however, student safety has not been a successful offense to exclude students from one gender to the participate on teams of the opposite gender. your response to that statement. >> well -- [laughter] this is a mixed-gender team, and we have a significant injury. so, i mean, i think that refutes that statement from the miaa. and, again, i understand they are hamstrung to an extent by not only title ix, but also the massachusetts equal rights amendment, but we have to find a way to keep, to keep our female athletes safer. if this is going to, s if this is going to be a part of the law, then, you know, if there were restrictions a few years ago, somebody at some point especially with the miaa had to think that that was acceptable. so let's facilitate conversations. i want them to hear from our players here in d.r -- will: right. >> the trauma that i saw on hair faces that night when i met their bus after that game was heartbreaking. if. will: i appreciate your search for a middle ground here to try and retain safety. to me, it's simply that girls playgirls' sports and boys playboys' sports. if you make a choice to join a sport that is traditionally female, you've made a choice to find yourself in a situation where you may not if have a team. that's what, i think, is the potential solution. bill runey, thank you so much for being with us this morning. >> thank you so much. will: all right, coming up, back to our top story, idf forces strike over 2500 terror targets in gaza. israeli minister of strategic affairs ron dermer on the separate to the take down -- strategy to take down hamas, next. or lowe's knows same-day delivery means getting what you need, right when you need it. holiday shopping got easier on affordable décor and more. you know you can get these all at once, right dad? 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what is the sate of israel doing, what's the state of the war? >> well, we're certainly closer to victory because we, first, hit the terrorists from the air and thousand we're going in on the ground. i'd love the tell you that we could eliminate hamas, dismantle all its military capabilities, end its rule in gaza and prevent gaza from becoming a continue toous threat without going in on the ground, but that can't be done. our forces went in a little over a week ago, and i think they've been very successful in rooting out a lot of the terrorist cells and killing a lot of terrorists. there's been upwards of 2,000 terrorists, probably closer to 3,000 this, at least. when we bomb them, we don't know exactly how many people are down there, but it's very tough fighting, and our israeli soldiers are doing it in a very deliberate way. we are trying everything we can do to get the civilians out of harm's way. just in the last few hours we had a safe corridor allowing hem to go from north to south, but we have an enemy that is embedded in the civilian population. the idf just released videos about how they're using children's swimming pools, schools, mosques, hospitals, they use all of the civilian infrastructure to embed themselves, how this underground terror tunnel network so is rooting this enemy out is not a simple thing. but we have no other choice because we're not going to allow hamas to the survive in gaza. it's not going to happen. i think we're closer to victory today than we were a month ago, and we'll continue to push forward until we achieve our military objective. pete: absolutely, it remains the same. you cannot tolerate a terror state right next to you. here we are with, ron, one week into the ground portion of this as you just laid out, one week, and the u.n. is yelling ceasefire. and, you know, groups, countries across the globe are yelling ceasefire. you've also got an administration here in the united states which initially was very supportive, you know? whatever you need to do. now we're hearing pauses. they've got protests outside the white house. are you concerned about america's support for israel in and how -- we saw is bibi netanyahu say, hey, we're going, we're not stopping here. what will the response be if there are more attempts the pull riles back? >> look, we're not going to have a ceasefire with hamas. it's like you having a ceasefire after the bombing of pearl harbor, it's absurd is. and i was glad to see the administration say they're not even asking for a ceasefire. as for humanitarian assistance, we have tried to do everything we can to get that assistance to flow. remember, israel's not in charge of gaza, hamas is. and all of that assistance is coming from the egyptian side. i think today they're supposed to have a hundred trucks of food, water, medical equipment that should go to those people who need it, to u.n. facilities that are there where they're housing people. there's also a safe area in the southwest part of gaza. so we're certainly open to doing whatever we can to get the civilians out of harm's way. we have an enemy who wants to put the civilians in harm's way. that's part of their war strategy, and it doesn't surprise me that after seven days the world is calling for a ceasefire because, listen, pete, the world is very sympathetic to israel when we're victims and very sympathetic to the jewish people when we're victims, and then they'll give speeches of never again and never again. but when israel is a victor, s when israel is actually doing what it has to do in order to survive, in order to defeat the enemy, that's when the world begins to urn on israel. i hope the biden administration will continue to the stand strong and push back against it. those people that you see in the protests, they don't want any kind of peace, hay want to remove the state of israel. they say they want it free from the river to the sea. that means the end of israel. that means a general side against -- genocide against jews. the president of the united states should speak forcefully against it. and i guarantee if you can ask my of to those protesters what about they want, just the destruction of israel. and if you ask them about israel, some people would be surprised about the answer what they think about the united states. pete: they don't have anything good to say about the united states either, ron, your exact lib right.. -- exactly right. >> our enemies see us as you. and we are united together. we share the same values. we support the same causes. we are two nations who believe in freedom and democracy and human rights, and we stand against an enemy that bereaves in one of these -- believes in none of these things. and none of those people who are saying or, well, we want to the support the palestinians, why would you support a terror the organization that is committed to the just to the genocide of jews, but brutalizes its own people, kills gays? why would any self-are respecting progressive ever support an organization like hamas? it's shame. pete: it's a great question. you're exactly right. ron dermer, god bless you. godspeed in your efforts ahead. >> thank you. pete: thank you. all right, the the national debt already spiraling out of control in the federal government plans to borrow 509 $1.6 trillion, great. jason chaffetz op on the careless spending coming up next. new emergen-c crystals pop and fizz when you throw them back. and who doesn't love a good throwback? 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their per-citizen disease is $16,000 versus $100,000, and we're giving money not just to israel, but all kinds of country, many of them who have lower debt loads than us. i'm afraid -- what can happen here? you're talking about numbers that we went -- we can't even fathom. it could be a war, an a oil shock of some sort. what can happen and how quickly can something happen because of this debt load that we have right now? >> well, i think our national debt is a national security issue. it's perhaps one of the biggest threats to america. we used to sell a lot of our debt to china. china is now selling about $50 billion worth of our debt, the notes that they already have, they're selling that. and so that puts more and more burden on the system. so you're going to really almost double the amount of debt that we issue as a nation. somebody's got to go out there and sell it and get it, get it sold, and the way hay do that is they raise interest rates in order to the make it more lucrative. there's a real effect here. look, we won't fix this unless congress stops spending the money. rachel: right. but what is the incentive to do that? what's the incentive to do that? we're waiting for somebody, republicans reason aren't even doing that very well. so what is it going to be the, a shock, an economic shock? what will get congress to finally cut? >> i think there will be a day of reckoning, and i hope not, but i think's what it's probably going to take. i'd like to see a balanced budget amendment. i think we should ask the states, do you want the feds to to actually balance the budget. participant of the problem, rachel, is almost 75% of the budget is mandatory programmatic spending, and it's just on autopilot. congress only touches less than 10% of that discretionary spending every year when you exclude out the military. rachel: yeah. it just, it doesn't look like we have a solution in sight, but it's the good to at least acknowledge the problem. jason chaffetz, thanks for joining us this morning. >> scary stuff. thank you. rachel: yeah, it is. coming up, former president obama criticized for his response to the war in israel. the stunning comment. to raise a toast and gather together, to wrap up the fun and round up the gang. to help get you ready, your aspen dental team is celebrating 25 years of affordable care with an epic anniversary savings event. right now, new patients without insurance get a free full exam and x-rays. plus, everyone can get 20% off their treatment plan. but hurry, because while the season won't last, the memories you make together will. aspen dental. book today. 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