david: welcome to journal editorial report, i'm david asman in for paul gigot. first of all, with israel it is 10 p.m. where just moments ago prime minister benjamin netanyahu promised to abillionish the evil -- abolish the evil of hamas and said the ongoing ground operation in gaza is the second stage of the war. infantry and armored vehicles have moved in backed by massive strikes from the air and the sea including the bombing of hamas tunnels which is a key target in this campaign to crush the terror group once and for all following its brutal ea attack the on israel three weeks ago today. let's go straight to southern israel where fox's trey yingst is standing by. trey, it's all yours. >> reporter: yeah, david, good afternoon. we are here along the israel-gaza border. you can hear those thuds mt. distance, both israeli artillery and tank units that are working at this hour hammering the northern part of the strip. airstrikes targeted a number of different positions tonight, and we do know israeli forces are currently operating inside gaza. as we talk, you can hear the explosions in the distance. this is the most active it's been since the war erupted 22 days ago. tonight israeli prime minister benjamin netanyahu addressing mt. only his nation, but the entire world saying this is israel's second war with of independence, adding we will win. he went on to the often the situation on the ground -- to talk about the situation on the ground and explained many people, including himself, will have to answer questions about that october 7th massacre, but the focus is on the forces currently operating merchandise gaza. last night a situational assessment was held in tel aviv with the prime minister and his defense minister. gallant spoke overnight saying this -- >> i completed a situation assessment last night. we have accomplished a pause in the war. we will continue to be strong and precise and hunt down every terrorist. >> reporter: now, david, the strikes inside gaza are getting more intense tonight. once again the israeli military warned people in the northern part of gaza to evacuate south. they've been giving these warnings out for a few weeks now, dropping leaflets. today they released a video message. it's important to note the people in gaza likely did not get it because of cell towers being down and having no internet connection. david: trey, i just have to ask, the bombing that we're hearing now, is that coming prosecute israeli side into -- the from the israeli side into gaza? >> reporter: yes, that'ses all outgoing fire. and right now you're actually, you can see rockets being fired. the factions inside gaza are responding at this moment. those are rockets coming off the northern part of the gauze a strip -- gaza strip being fired by a hamas. we're going to work to try and figure out where exactly they're headed, but you just saw a number of them. most of the explosions are actually israeli strikes, both artillery and airstrikes, but it does the appear they're able to get rockets a off of the northern part of the strip. you're watching all of this unfold at the moment, my producer's going to tell me where those rockets are headed. they did not appear to be long range rockets, but certainly it gives you a sense of just how active this scene is, david, along the border. and those rockets are not long range, as i said, they are short range headed to the second city up from the northern border with the gaza strip. it is the remarkable that 32 the 2 days into -- 22 days into this conflict, they've still maintained ability to fire rockets despite the air vieks and artillery units -- david: also remarkable how well you report on all of this. trey, please take care of yourself. thank you so much. appreciate president it. joining me now is retired four-star general and former cia director david petraeus. he commanded coalition forces in both iraq and afghanistan. general, good to see you. thanks for being here. the idf, before we heard from prime minister netanyahu, we herald from idf chief of staff, and he said the following, he said this is a war with multiple stages. today we move on to the next one. so is this, what we're seeing today, the main incursion we've within waiting for? -- been waiting for? >> i think it is. the test test it's one of them. -- it's at least one of hem. they may launch another front to try to complicate the situation for hamas, but clearly there has been a decision made that hamas and its ally, islamic jihad, are exreamist armies. -- extremist armies. they cannot be negotiatedded with, they have to be destroyed. it's a very substantial tax. in military terms it means to render the enemy incapable of accomplishing his mission without reconstitution. by the way, they're going to have to make sure they cannot reconstitute in the postconflict phase as well with. but they're going to have to go through the most challenging of urban areas that i can think of. we cleared lots of major cities during the fight to destroy al-qaeda in iraq, which we did carry out but again, nothing like the challenges that you see here. the tunnel systems, the willingness of individuals to blow themselves up to take israeli soldiers with hem the, an enemy that doesn't wear uniforms, that uses civilians as human shields, has over 200 hostages that it likely will use in some capacity as well and is very, very capable. we saw the diabolically, horrifically creative attack that resulted in the barbaric acts that have precipitated this particular if offensive. but this is going to be a very, very tough fight, and they're going to have to clear every building, floor, room, cellar, tunnel and then retain it. you have to clear and hold an area before you move on to the next one. it's very sequential, it's very methodical, and they have cleary begun that -- clearly begun that, establishing a foothold in the urban areas, trying to use their armored vehicleses as far as he can go before having to the expose infantrymen to the enemy. you can hear how significant a fight this is. david: and how will their main mission of wiping out hamas conflict with another mission of saving the hostages? >> very, very challenging and also conflict with trying to adhere to their concept of purity of arms which is their interpretation, very similar to ours, of the geneva convention, the laws of land warfare, trying to minimize loss of innocent civilian life, trying to limit damage to civilian infrastructure and to forth. these are not mutually exclusive, but they are very, very difficult. they're not completely compatible, and that's the reality of this kind of very tough urban fight. having made the determination that they must destroy these extremist elements. i hope that we'll hear more over time as well9 about how they will add a more gaza -- administer gaza saw. it's pretty clear you're not going to see palestinian authority members riding in the backs of israeli tanks to do that. i think that israel will inevitably have to the carry that out to administer the distribution of humanitarian assistance, restore basic services and so forth. and i think laying out a future for what the life for the palestinian people can be in gaza without hamas would be advisable as well. something we sought to do for the sunni arabs when we sought to slip them away there from al-qaeda. david: but getting back to the what's happening right now, will u.s. forces which, of course, are offshore many fairly large numbers considering how much action there is going on there, will they be used in any way to back up the idf forces? >> i don't think so, and i don't think that the israeli defense forces want us to do that either. the only conceivable application might be if some of the u.s. citizen hostages were identified in a situation where we could use special operations forces to rescue them. but, again, i think israelis -- and they have stated this -- this is their fight. they intend to the prosecute it themselves. the different obviously if we're engaged, just as was the can case in iraq where iranians supported shia militia carried out over a dozen drone and rocket attacks on various bases in iraq and also syria, eastern and northeastern syria with, and we carried out target targeted operations against iranian-supported she what a militia sites in eastern -- david: forgive me, but how effective do you think that was? our jet strikes against the iran-backed forces in syria? >> you don't want to be the on the x if we are going after a target like that. they can be very effective. it sends a message. obviously, what we're trying to do is contain that to deferer the -- the deter any future action, we may have to even expand what it is that we are doing. i don't think iran wants to except into a direct fight with the united states, but the possibility of regionalization of this war is very real. as you know, hezbollah in southern lebanon and other huge iranian-supported militia element, has over 150,000 rockets and missiles. some of those have considerable range and act rahs rassi. they could conceivably overwhelm the air and missile defenses of israel. but if they do, that's an act of suicide on their part, because israel's going to the hammer them even worse than in 2006, the last time they had a war with israel. reassessed, in fact, the extent of the damage several times subsequently. in fact, when i was the regional combatant commander, u.s. central command and then later when i was the director of the cia. david: general david petraeus, thank you very much on this very significant day the in the war. thank you for being here, appreciate it. when we come back, calls for the united nations' secretary-general to resign following his comments about the hamas attacks. plus, president biden facing mounting pressure from the left to walk back his support for israel as a his job approval craters among democrats. that's coming up. ♪ ♪ makes every day... a "let's dig in" day... mm. ...a "chow down" day... a "take a big bite" day... a "perfectly delicious" day... - mm. 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>> yeah, well, they did that a long time ago. it was probably all downhill at the united nations after 1948. i mean, there's been no upside. we can't discount what somebody like secretary-general gutierrez says, what he called for there was a a humanitarian the ceasefire. and given what we have seen in the past 24 hours, the fact that israel is clearly going into gaza, think about it. the idea of a ceasefire is completely preposterous. a ceasefire means hamas fired on october 7th. they're now inside gaza, the suggestion is that israel is somehow supposed to stand back or stand down? that would mean accepting a hamas victory which they clearly cannot do despite the fact that there are protests in london, there are protest ts in grand central station the here overnight. it's clear that the israelis are not stepping back. and i think the burden now is going on the largely on the biden administration to stand with israel and try to resist these kind of conventional calls for a ceasefire. david: but, bill, the idea hat the israelis are responsible for civilian deaths, they announce they're coming, they announce the times when the palestinians who are not affiliated with hamas should get out. of course, they don't let them get out, and egypt egypt is not taking them in, nor is jordan, by the way, which is basically a palestinian state. but the fact is i think -- and i know you do as well -- that that maas has more interest in palestinian deaths in gaza than israel does. >> yes. i think you put your finger on it. the way i look at it, the first prong of the barbarity by hamas was the october 7th attacks. but it's the second part now just as israel has reached a second stage, so has hamas. and they knew that israel would have to come in after a them, right? so they wanted to -- the second stage is craving palestinian deaths so they can use in messaging the war. yes, israel has killed babies too like us. you can't say we're ors worse. and you look at things you mentioned, they've done nothing to help -- hamas has done nothing to help palestinians survive this. no bomb shelters for civilians, you know? david: right. >> the leaders are down in the tunnel. they're well stock thed with food and fuel. they cut off the exits to egypt, for example. they don't want anyone there there. and they locate their arms and some of their headquarters under, like, hospitals and schools. so their goal is to maximize civilian deaths among palestinians because it's good in the propaganda war. it's not good for israel. david: by the way, a lo of their arms and supplies they have in these tunnels, probably came from us, or u.n. was the interlock you are the or betwee. kim, the u.n. secretary-general made his comments in doha which, of course, is have to -- where a lot of hamas leaders hang out in their high priced hotels eating good fact. in fact, maybe right now gutierrez is having dinner with some of these people smoking cigars and so forth. i mean, he demands that there be a pause, but isn't that precisely -- and he also says what i'm doing, my main concern so to save the hostages. isn't that precisely why hamas took those 200 hostages, because they wanted to the use them as a bargaining chips? >> yeah. i mean, gutierrez is just wrong on so many levelings. you know, first of all, as bill just rightly said, tries to suggest that palestinian deaths are, is israel's responsibility. completely untrue. you also have him essentially saying now we must have a ceasefire. basically what he's doing is offering an apology for hamas terrorists, allowing them to engage in this genocide and then denying israel the right to engage in self-defense, a right that i would note every other free country is is allowed. and, yes, as he hangs out in doha, yes, as he also incorrectly misinterprets why gaza and why the palestinians and hamas took those hostages in the first place, to use as a bargaining chip. that is the brutal, ugly reality. and that's why they've been letting one go here or there, in part because they're trying to get a little bit of goodwill here or there for those aid trucks that have been coming through. but they intend to hold on to these people as a way to forestall and use public pressure to convince israel to stand down. we cannot let that happen. david: dan, we only have 20 the seconds, but do you see any difference between the sec secretary-general and i'll hand omar and the other defenders of hamas? >> i do see one big difference, and that is i'll hand o hard is a democrat. and i think the reality of what she and the squad are saying and the fact these demonstrations, younger democrats are pro-palestinian, this is going to be a growing political problem for the democratic party because they do not want to be associated with anti-semitism. and i think that is beginning to build, and it's something they're going to have to wrestle with in the future. david: all right. when we come back, our panel reacts to some stunning muse out of the 2024 -- news out of the 2024 presidential campaign. plus, the house elects a new speaker, at last. after 22 days, can mike johnson bring order to the chaos and get congress back to work? >> let the enemies of freedom around the world hear us loud and clear, the people's house is back in business. ♪ [cheers and applause] my late father-in-law lit up a room, but his vision dimmed with age. he had amd. i didn't know it then, but it can progress to ga, an advanced form of the disease. his struggle with vision loss from amd made me want to help you see warning signs of ga. like straight lines that seem wavy, blurry, or missing visual spots that make it hard to see faces like this one, or trouble with low light that makes driving at night a real challenge. if you've been diagnosed with amd and notice vision changes, don't wait. ga is irreversible. it's important to catch it early. talk to your eye doctor about ga and learn more at gawontwait.com pano ai chooses t-mobile for business for 5g solutions... ...because t-mobile helps pano ai innovate, so they can stop the spread of wildfires. now's the time to see what america's largest 5g network can do for your business. - bye, bye cough. - later chest congestion. hello 12 hours of relief. 12 hours!! not coughing? 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[laughter] >> yeah, i wouldn't hold to your breath on that just yet, david. david: okay. >> look, i can understand why this happened. and, by the way, give mike penca absolute policy force during the trump years. a lot of the good policy that a came out was because of him. i think he has struggled a little bit to find his place here, especially after january 6th. he just got piled on by trump supporters. it's the been hard for him to resteady himself. he's a very strong reagan conservative, but he's just not found his notch here. and, yes, i think this is a very important moment because we have been waiting to see if this field narrows. we're going into the third debate in a couple of weeks, people are struggling to get on that debate site, and mike pence bowed to that reality. the bigger question is whether or not we now see a couple of other individuals like a tim scott, a doug burgum follow suit and exit the race. david: can do you think that's going to happen, bill? >> i think so because most of them are under 5%, right? and i think some of them like chris christie are hoping for a surprise, a shock in new hampshire, but if it doesn't come, i don't know that they'll have the wherewithal to extende. i think mike pence, as kim mentioned, was a abegan conservative -- a reagan key responsible for a lot of trump's credibility when he was running among doubtful republicans. he did yeoman's service, and a lot of the good things that happened, happened with his support. unfortunately, the anti-trump never liked him because he's part of the -- david: right. >> -- trump presidency, and the trump people don't like him because of january 6th. david: right, right. >> so he couldn't win. david: caught in a wedge. >> yeah, and he didn't ever concern. >> and one quick point. when the republican primary candidates began, the legal assault on donald trump was just beginning. we went through a series of indictments. and the reality, no one could have predicted that as those indictments grew, republican support for donald trump would grow. and we know that it's up there over 50%, but there was really no way that a lot of candidates like mike pence, maybe tim scott could have competed with that. that is the reality in the republican primary contest right now. david: let's witch from the presidential to what's happening in the house. it looks like there's some semblance of order now. we have a speaker of the house of representatives, kim, and he's going to be the tested pretty soon. i want to go to kim on this one because you wrote about it, that there's this $106 billion supplement, a package of spending for israel, for ukraine and for the border, although some people question whether it would really secure the border. but then there's also this, a separate demand for $56 billion in something called emergency spending. 9 you've looked into this. there's not a lot of emergency in that spending, is there, or kim? [laughter] >> no. this is really sad. this is a biden administration letting no crisis to to waste including what's going on in israel in the moment. so it sends along this foreign aid supplemental request and then follows it up with this or horrific blowout of domestic spending which is classifying as emergencies, $16 billion in there, david, for more childcare spending even though we had the pandemic money, was supposed to be a one-time deal, now they want to extend it. $6 billion to subsidize people's high-speed internet, basically subsidizing their netflix obsessions. [laughter] i hope it's going to be dead on arrival and, in fact, johnson and house republicans should be using this at the moment to relaunch the spending fight and to talk about priorities to explain why these ones do not count and why if we are going to put some money into overseas national security for us, which we should do, there has to be give on the biden side, on domestic policy side. they have to be cutting more on the other side of the ledger. david: yeah. and talk about national security, dan, our own border has become a very big part of national security particularly as you see people from iran getting through, people, all sorts of people on the terrorist watch list. this so-called border security plan that biden has as a part of his $106 billion has, doesn't have a lot to do with securing the border. >> yeah, exactly right. david: it's all about sending more migrants to the other state thes from the president border. >> i mean, o complete contradicn terms. it has nothing to do with security. the biden white house's policy is to simply allow as many people across thely coyo grand river as -- rio grande river as want to come. that's the policy of the democratic left. and what he has proposed here is simply to the hire more people to process the the asylum seekers. it has nothing to do with controlling the flow of these people but, of course, we know in cities like new york there are simply -- they are simply overwhelmed. the mayor just a couple days ago proposed giving people an individual tent, migrants, to sleep on the streets. david: a maybe similar to what's happening in san francisco. final point, will speaker johnson be able to stand up and create a stand-alone supplemental just for israel? israel should be our focus right now. >> well, these are all the delawares. the test was getting elected, you know, getting consensus on that. and as soon as it comes to legislation, can he do it. we don't know yet. are the same people going to wreck any bill they don't agree with? you know, a month from now are they going to pull him down because they didn't like a bill? i think they have to get realistic about what they can get from the biden administration and try to to concentrate on that. but i wouldn't want the job. david they'd yeah. >> as a i've said, it's like being the fifthth wife of henry viii. [laughter] david: yeah, yeah, okay. we'll talk more about that coming up. when we come back though, we're going live to northern israel where clashes with iran-backed hezbollah militants continue. plus a stunning report on where hundreds of hamas fighters got their training in the runup to the october 7th terror attacks, all coming up. ♪ not that into saving, are you? -whoa, dude. what do you... -money. you're not that into saving money. cuz... cuz you paid too much for those glasses. next time, go to america's best where two pairs and a free, quality eye exam start at just $79.95. the exam is alone is worth at least 59 bucks. wow. i gotta go tell my squad! hurry! ♪ i don't see how that's hurrying. two pairs and a free exam starting at $79.95. book an exam today at americasbest.com. ♪ bass pro shops and cabela's stands tall in our unwavering commitment to honoring our heroes. we extend our gratitude... beyond words... by proudly offering a legendary salute discount to those who protect our freedoms. our dedication to those who selflessly serve us runs deep within our dna. it's not just a discount... it's a commitment to making a difference. because every day is a chance for us to say thank you. bass pro shops and cabela's... your adventure starts here. david: israeli forces striking a number of hezbollah positions in southern lebanon today as the iranian-backed terror group steps up missile and rocket attacks and clashes continue on the israeli-lebanese border. chief international correspondent steve harrigan is live in northern israel with the very latest. steve. >> reporter: david, there were multiple attacks by hezbollah about 2 miles behind me here from lebanon into northern israel. those attacks set off alarms in multiple locations in northern israel and drew a response from the israeli military. hezbollah fired rockets into an irk df position in the golan heights, they also fired a surface to air missile trying to bring down an israeli military krone. in response, israel intercepted that that missile and launched artillery strikes at the place where that missile was launched there from. they also destroyed several what they call terror cell cans, these are hezbollah fighters who were firing anti-tank missiles into israel. so far in three weeks of sort of low-level, contained fighting between hezbollah and israel, 47 hezbollah fighters have been killed, 6 israeli soldiers, and all across the north as many as 42 communities have been evacuated here, people leaving for fear of intense fighting which could if be ahead. david, back to you. david: steve, thank you very much for that. let's bring. in former deputy national security adviser victoria coats, vice president of national security and foreign policy at the her -- heritage foundation. victoria, thanks for being here. it's so clear, if it's not clear enough about hamas, it's absolutely clear that everything, just about everything that hezbollah does is ordered directly from iran. is it not? >> oh, absolutely, david. good to be with you a ooh. i mean, they're a wholly-owned subsidiary of tehran. tehran provides at least 90 if not higher percent of their funding, same thing for hamas. they simply cease to exist without iran, so the attempts to draw a distinction between them and their activities, between them, the terrorist groups and iran, are just disingenuous. david: so command and control for this entire operation should be seen as a one emanating from tehran, no? >> i think anything else would just be misleading because it's command and it's control and it's funding and it's equipping. hamas and hezbollah can't coanything of these things on their -- do any of these things on their own. the only way hay do it is if they're getting support from tehran -- david: so why is this administration, the biden administration, so reluctant to admit that? >> well, it seems to me they're just determined to to get back into some version of a nuclear deal which means they have to keep the iranians in vienna, keep lines of communication open, and i think iranians have laid down their red lines and told the administration what's going to make them walk, and the administration is acting very carefully for that reason. david: could robert malley, robert malley for those who don't know is the former u.s. special envoy to iran. he was dismissed on various suspicions of sharing classified information with his iranian counterparts. could he perhaps have anything to do with policy of trying to keep iran out of it? >> oh, i think he absolutely does. he was their top, the biden administration's top diplomat on iran. we mow from some reporting over the last couple of months that mr. malley was, had his staff infiltrated by the so-called iran experts initiative which were folks who were being in direct contact with tehran, iranian-americans, influencers, people who wrote op-eds and that they were informing his analysis. so you basically have tehran informing the top american diplomat on iran. and it's not surprising that the administration thinks the iranians are a lot nicer than they actually are. but i think, you know, after the events of october 7th, we can have no illusions, especially given that 500 of these hamas fighters were trained in iran. so they learned all their vicious techniques from the iranians. and the motion, as i said, that there's a distinction between them is misleading to the american people. david: besides their vicious techniques which, of course, was the buttal a massacre of israelis, they had some sophisticated techniques like going after, targeting with special drones those watch towers over wire that they managed to not do dismantle, but to put out of operation with these explosive drones. that's the kind of information that one might suspect they got the from some kind of leaks, maybe perhaps from mr. malley? who knows, right? >> well, and important to remember i don't think malley's been pyre thed. i think he's still on unpaid leave from the state department -- david: yes. >> -- with his security clearance suspended. but we were told in the beginning of investigation in june that, oh, this will be cleared up in weeks. so now he's teaching at princeton of all places, so if anybody has children at prince topps, you might want to check what classes they're taking. but, yeah, the fact that they're playing fast and loose with classified information shows you the administration cares more about this deal than the security of hearn people. david: and, of course, a lot of this stems from -- you have also, besides being a national security expert, you also worked with the department of energy from saudi arabia, so you had this wonderful dual purpose for us. the oil sales, iranian oil sales slowed to a rick thering under the trump add -- trickle under the trump administration because they really enforced sanctions that were let up when mr. malley was the envoy to iran. now they're making tens of billions more. i'm just wondering to what extent that is being proposed to change it all, or are we going to continue with that status quo? >> apparently, we're going to continue with that status quo. the administration is pretty addicted to the 3 million plus barrels a today the iranians are putting on the market. they need that product to keep domestic energy prices in check. if if you take it off the market and you don't work with saudi arabia and you don't put the conditions in place to ratchet up production here at home, you're going to have a price spike, and that's bad for them. so since hay tonight want to work with the saudis, they don't want more u.s. production, they have to keep this oil on the market even though you can draw a direct line between increase in iranian revenues and the planning for the october 7th attacks. david: you know, jonathan ratcliffe, former director of national intel, said to maria bartiromo last sunday on her show that they had intercepts of iranians talking to hamas and hezbollah saying, sorry, guys, we don't have much money because we're strapped. this was during the trump administration because they weren't getting the oil revenue they're getting now. do you know if those intercepts existed and were passed on to the biden administration? >> oh, they were reported in the thy times. and we know the administration reads that, so they really don't have an excuse if they weren't reading intel. and, absolutely, "the new york times" report that had a hezbollah guy saying the golden days are gone, and hale never come again because they thought the sanctions would stay on and the money would be cut off. well, fortunately for hezbollah, the golden days came back in the in the biden administration. and this is what we've gotten. david: victoria coats, great to have you on. thank you so much, appreciate it. coming up still ahead, a blowout third quarter gdp as the u.s. economy continues to defy expectations. why then are americans so down on bidenomics? and can the president turn that around before it's too late? ♪ ♪ kes, everyday products, designed smarter. genius! like 2.5% cash back on purchases of $5,000 or more, so sam can make smart ideas, a brilliant reality! chase for business. make more of what's yours. i was stuck. unresolved depression symptoms were in my way. i needed more from my antidepressant. vraylar helped give it a lift. adding vraylar to an antidepressant... is clinically proven to help relieve overall depression symptoms... ...better than an antidepressant alone. and in vraylar clinical studies, most saw no substantial impact on weight. elderly dementia patients have increased risk of death or stroke. report unusual changes in behavior or suicidal thoughts. antidepressants can increase these in children and young adults. report fever, stiff muscles, or confusion, as these may be life-threatening, or uncontrolled muscle movements, which may be permanent. high blood sugar, which can lead to coma or death, weight gain, and high cholesterol may occur. movement dysfunction and restlessness are common side effects. stomach and sleep issues, dizziness, increased appetite, and fatigue are also common. side effects may not appear for several weeks. i didn't have to change my treatment. i just gave it a lift. ask about vraylar and learn how abbvie could help you save. ♪ david: well, the u.s. economy continuing to defy expectations with xdp growing at an annual rate of 4.9% in the third quarter as americans continue to spend mostly on credit cards despite persistent inflation and high interest rates. that that break outnumber, by the way, tentative deals between the uaw and awe to makers ford and and now as we heard today stellantis the ought to be good news for president joe biden. but the latest real clear politics poll average shows almost 60% of voters disapprove of the way he is handling the economy. we're back with our panel. dan, the basics is what americans really care about. i mean, can hay afford the -- they aboard to buy all the groceries they could afford two years ago? can they get a loan for a new car or, god forbid, a house in this environment? and the answer, unfortunately, to those questions is, no. and that's why most americans peel the economy's in the tank. >> yeah, that's a big part of it, david. and i think what you're basically describing is the fact that most americans live in what we would call the real economy, okay? which i think so opposed to joe biden's conception of the economy which is an abstraction that the federal government can somehow manipulate. and the way they've been trying to manipulate it first was with the direct payments during the pandemic and now with the incredible amount of subsidies to to green industries. and the idea is that there will be, as they say, good paying jobs in wind and solar. just look at the uaw strike, for instance. that in large part has been over electric vehicles displacing -- david: right. >> -- automakers' jobs. and i think a lot of people live out there in the real private economy understand like say you were in the oil try, toeses sill fuel extraction. -- fossil fuel extraction. you have a good paying job right now, and the biden administration is trying to switch it into something different that people have really big doubts about. david: i like your expression, the real world. we keep hearing these promises. it is strikingly similar to what we heard bay -- way back in 2010 when biden was vice president. remember his recovery summer? he said we're going to create all these new green jobs, 500,000 a month in that summer, they ended up that summer with a deficit of jobs, by the way. now, we have this nice sur miss of jobs. that's kind of buffering any bad effects to the economy, but it's still not making americans peel better. >> no, dan's absolutely right. i know people, young people looking for a house. but the interest rates are so high compared -- i have a much lower rate because my mortgage is, like, 15 years old. but it's really depressing for those people. if you want to retire and sell your house, you're going to buy another house with these high rates? so the biden administration has a habit of telling people everything's fine. remember for a long time inflation really didn't exist or was going to be temporary. and, yes, now it's down from the peak of 9%, but it's still, like, more than with two times as high as when joe biden came in. so people feel that. and then they read these articles saying joe biden gives no credit for bringing inflation down. i mean, he was the one that boosted it. david: yeah. >> and the attitude in so many articles is that people are stupid. they don't know that the biden administration is really doing a good job, that bidenomics is a wild success, and they foolishly value their own judgments over what's going on in their lives. it's incredible. david: you do get a kind of arrogance. and, kim, i don't want to the focus just on the numbers, but we have a couple of others. biden is now, has an approval rating of just 37. that's his approval rating. that's an all-time low or at least ties an all-time low for him. but the one that stuck out in my mind was the crash that occurred among democrats. an 11% drop of support for biden among democrats, he's down the 75% now of democrats. that's huge. >> yeah, it's huge, and it could be coming from a couple of different things. i think a lot of it may have to do with, dan rightfully talking about the real economy. and i'll use a word bill used, the foolishness of the biden administration embracing bidenomics. because for most people that in the real economy, they consider that a bad thing. it's not the thing that's working for them, it's bad. and democrats are in that real economy as well. i think the other thing that's just more concerning because it takes us backing to israel is that there's a lot of suggestion that that crop theoff may have come -- dropoff may have come from progressives over the last three weeks in particular who obviously have been running away are from israel and kiss like the president's position -- dislike the president's position in backing israel, and that makes me concerned because this president tends to respond to progressive demands way too often. so this is going to be a test the for him, if he stands strong. but, yeah, there are a lot of issues. if i were running the biden campaign reelect, i would be terrified at the moment. [laughter] david: well, i think the chance of that happening is not to too good. >> lucky me. david: but, dan, there's the question with, we heard about the progressives don't like his pro-israel side, there are a lot of jewish democrats who are very upset not necessarily directly at biden, but at the democratic party this in general because they see a lot of what they thought were liberal friends turning radical, anti-israel and in some cases anti-semitic. that's not helping democrats in general. and these jewish democrats may start to think of voting republican. >> yeah k. and that's what makes the political mix going forward so fascinating and is really hard to predict, because you're right that some of these disaffected jewish, democratic jewish voters may be deciding they just can't go with the democratic party. the democrats' argument, on the other hand, is they say donald trump or is the nominee, that inagains in the suburbs cannot vote for donald trump. and how that is all going to make out is really difficult to predict and, you know, this hamas-israeli war was something no one obviously saw coming and has completely upset the presidential campaign right now with mike pence, of course, just dropping out. david: big news. well, we have to take one more break. when we come back, hits and misses of the week. ♪ ♪ time now for our hits and misses of the week. kim, first to you pick rex a mist of the department of justice on the news it was spying on congressional congresl investigators secretly seizing their e-mails and their other communications. even as those investigators were attempting to get to the bottom and conduct oversight of the fbi disastrous crossfire hurricane investigation we already know the russia collision investigation was a disaster relying on poor sources missing the fisa court. we find out is congress to try to get to the bottom of it d.o.j. was snooping on them trying to get them to understand. spying on a separate and equal branch of government is a huge constitutional issue needed the bottom and how wide it went. flexibility. >> another problem with house republicans. this time house republicans in texas. as we know the move for universal suniversal school chot 10 states. governor abbott wants texas as a special session is being held up not just by democrats not just by teachers unions but by some republicans in the house. i miss for the republicans and texas fighting school choice regards dan c coming to you perverts might miss goes to one of the champions of the ms. governor gavin newsom of california recently returned from a goodwill tour of california he told xi jinping he wanted to know california is willing to goat to work with china on climate issues even that happens to be the biggest producers of c copeland's the world. he also added i want you to know regardless of what happens nationally, sub nationally you have a partner in the state of california. xi jinping knows california is flaky he must think the united states is a biggest collection of naïve political and the entire progress i am sure is very happy about that. take that all the way to the bank. judgment, lady thank you very much that's it for this week show. thanks to my panel into all of you for watching. paul is back next week we hope to see you then. so long. developed with vets. made from real meat and veggies. portioned for your dog. and delivered right to your door. it's smarter, healthier pet food. ah mornings! cough? congestion? i'm feeling better. all in one and done with new mucinex kickstart. headache? better now. new mucinex kickstart gives all-in-one and done relief with a morning jolt of instant cooling sensation. it's comeback season. - [female narrator] five billion people lack access to safe surgery. thousands of children are suffering and dying from treatable causes. for 40 years, mercy ships has deployed floating hospitals to provide the free surgeries these children need. join us. together, we can give children the hope and healing they never thought possible. it's a mission powered by love, made possible by you. give today. meet the portable blender we can barely keep in stock. blendjet 2 gives you ice-crushing, big blender power on-the-go. so you can blend up a mouthwatering smoothie, protein shake, or latte wherever you are! recharge quickly with any usb port. best of all, it even cleans itself! just blend water with a drop of soap. what are you waiting for? order yours now from blendjet.com before they sell out again! 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