Underway for a man who massacred over a dozen people in the state of maine. Robert card, 40 years old, is the primary suspect in a mass shooting in Lewiston Maine that left 18 people dead, 13 injured. At this moment, authorities, including fbi swat teams, using robots and drones, have surrounded his home in bowdoin, maine. Theyre serving a Search Warrant. Police helicopters are up above. Loud bangs were reported from the house. We believe they may have been flash grenades deployed by Law Enforcement. Police on bullhorns have been heard saying walk out with your hands up. You are under arrest, please come out of the house now. Jesse the police do not know if the suspect is inside the house, they have not made contact with anybody inside yet t suspect is believed to be Armed And Dangerous and has been on the loose for the last 24 hours. Last night around 7 00, gunfire rang out at a bowling alley. One eyewitness had to hide behind the bowling pins. Out of nowhere he just came in and there was a loud pop. Thought it was a balloon, i had my back turned toward the door and as soon as i turned and saw that it was not a balloon and he was holding a weapon i just booked it down the lane and i slid basically into where the pins are and climbed up into the machine and was on top of the machines for about ten minutes until the cops got there. Jesse 20 minutes later shots were fired at a bar and grill just four miles south. Police believe the attack was premeditated. Now, police dont have a motive, but the suspects sister says he may have gone looking for an exgirlfriend. Robert card is well trained. Hes an army reservist. Hes extremely proficient in the use of firearms. Hes an expert marksman. Also an avid hunter and fisherman. Its reported that he had a new hearing aid which caused him to hear voices in his head. He was picking up more audio in his hearing aid and apparently heard people talking trash about him. His brotherinlaw says card would get mad when people didnt believe him. His family thought he was losing it. The shooter also threatened to shoot up his own military base. Base commanders sent him to a psychiatric facility for two weeks for an evaluation. The facility was in west point, new york. And despite being involuntarily committed to a Mental Health institution, he still had access to firearms. Roughly four hours after the shooting, his Subaru Hatchback was found 15 miles away parked by a dock. His boat is missing. Records show the suspect owned a jet ski and a motorcycle. Police have yet to establish a clear perimeter. Maine is the most heavilyforested state in the nation. And with a man of roberts background, he could have disappeared in the dark a dense terrain. Joining me now is a Regional Swat commander who responded to the boston bombing. What does your first instinct here tell you . Well, jesse, first, thanks for having me on and id just like to offer my thoughts and prayers to all the folks up there in maine with this horrible tragedy thats taken place. But, you know, it seems to me like it was probably pretty well planned. I think about that initial response of the officers being in there, being in their cruisers and being sent to the shots fired call and all the chaos and stress that they must have been going through when they showed up on scene there. Initially, just like those heroes down in nashville, theyre going to come in and immediately try to stop the threat as quickly as they can, but now you have a different dynamic when the shooting stops and you cant identify who the suspect is and you have all of these people that need immediate emergency medical care. So you have to be able to i know here in massachusetts, were starting to unveil a new Rescue Task Force where the police are working in tandem with the Fire Department to offer that medical aid to anybody whos injured and get them out to the hospitals as quickly as possible. At the same time, the police have to provide a safety card around all the ems and fire personnel and protect everyone. So that must have been a very, very difficult situation to respond to. I know a few people that were there last night. They did they assured me they did a tremendous job, which im sure they all did. Then it progresses into a prolonged situation, which i can tell you is definitely extremely draining on all the resources. Theres no doubt you have Police Officers that do not want to go home that have been there for over 24 hours with their sole intention of trying to capture this suspect and bring him to jail. And no doubt you have bosses ordering people to go home to get a couple hours of sleep and to come back in. You have a prolonged situation like this, it takes the toll on everyone. Jesse i bet it does. Its an absolutely chaotic scene. Right now they have one of his properties surrounded, and they have not yet made contact with anybody inside the house. Whats the protocol there . Well, that would be, you know, as i listened to that, you know, they probably secured the Search Warrants, theyre going to execute the Search Warrants on the various properties where they might have found him. Certainly they would be in no rush to go into the home, especially if they thought he was by himself and barricaded. I know that our team down here, the metro swat team, that would be our last resort to go in and put our folks in harms way or put him in harms way. Jesse so tell me what the step by step process is right there. So if youre serving a Search Warrant. You havent made any contact yet with anybody inside the home. Youve got the place surrounded and its dark. How do you inch forward step by step and gain entry . What are the steps . Right. The first thing you would do, i assume they have portable lighting. So they would put portable lighting all around the house and at one point they would tell all the different sides of the house where the Swat Operators are to Hit The Lights and illuminate the house. So that way now the officers are behind the light and they wouldnt be backlit. The next step would be to get on the bull horn and say the police are here, we have a Search Warrant, we want you to come out. After a period of time where, if that Dialogue Looks like its fruitless, you might take some sort of less lethal munition, potentially break out a window to try to get his attention, to tie to create some sort of dialogue. And, of course, im speeding this up, this is going to be over the course of probably several hours. Eventually they would, more than likely, breach the front door. I would assume they could send a robot, a drone, eventually a canine and if the canine goes in, there would have to be a team that would be associated with that. But i mean were talking they could be three hours away from actually making entry into a home, because that would would be the safest manner to do that. Jesse got it. Chris thanks so much and thanks so much for your patriotism. Great thanks for having me. I appreciate it. Jesse lets bring in callahan walsh, the cohost of in pursuit. Do you agree with that assessment . We are going to see this play out over the course of a i few hours. If Law Enforcement has that house surrounded, theyre not going to rush in because that is the most dangerous part of the job is going through a doorway. Weve seen way too many Law Enforcement officers who said their life in the line of duty knocking down a door so theyre going to do everything they can to make sure that nobody on the Law Enforcement side is harmed. So it is likely that this is going to take some time. If they truly believe hes in there theyre going to do everything they can do bring him out safely especially for the Law Enforcement officers that are there on scene. Jesse is this diverting snippety do they have enough manpower if you have Everybody Descending on this one property and you have a large area here, i mean, theyre going to have to deploy pretty much every resource possible. Does that put anything else at risk . You know, my understanding is that local Law Enforcement, that jurisdiction, is only 17members strong. Jesse oh, god. Theyve brought in a ton of other agencies from the u. S. Marshals to the fbi to homeland security. You know, they have a lot of resources now to bear. So im sure that theres a good amount of resources pointed towards that home right now but theyre not ruling anything out. The search for that boat is still top priority for them. The coast guards are on the search for that boat as well. So while they have, you know, a few cards to play, looking at this house, theyre not ruling anything out at this point. Jesse so we have the boat. The boat is not there. The car was found by the boat, and our sources are telling us, when you go down river, theres a damn. So youre not going to be able to make it all the way out to the atlantic. He had to have known that. Do you think the boats a decoy . It could be. And, again, this is just a 15foot lake boat. Jesse right. If hes headed out south out to the ocean, that is not a Sea Worthy Vessel you want to be on. Jesse right. Its not getting too cold there tonight, going to get down into the 50s but you know when youre out on a boat youre exposed to all the elements, not a place you want to be so it absolutely could be the decoy that he was trying to throw law Eners Forcement off by putting his vehicle there, possibly ditching the boat somewhere else. Its not been accounted for and thats why theyre not ruling it out but again at the same time they dont have any information that he has taken that boat, you know, downstream or up river. Jesse see, were looking at live shots now that look like they have an Armored Vehicle approaching the house. This would be maybe carrying swat team members, maybe some of the robots that theyre going to use to deploy inside. What kind of vehicle do you think that is . Yeah, so thats going to be a heavily Armored Vehicle. Again they want to make sure nobody on the Law Enforcement side is injured in this. Theyre bringing every resource to bear. Again i mentioned all the federal agencies there, theyre going to bring all their resources, all their toys to make sure that they take this guy down and that nobody is injured. Thats the last hes already inflicted enough tragedy already with these count these senseless murders. And so we want to make sure that justice is served for those victims, and that no one else is harmed from this guy. Jesse callahan, take me back to the boat. Do we even know he was riding this vehicle that they found next to the dock with the boat missing . How do we know that wasnt staged . And if it wasnt staged, how do we know he didnt have another vehicle next to the dock . Yeah, youre absolutely right. Now, we talk about how hes been going through this Mental Health episode and he was hearing voices. That doesnt preclude him from creating a pretty clever plan when it comes to alluding Law Enforcement. So he could absolutely have all of this built up in his head, planning, you know, who knows how long hes been planning this for. So these could absolutely be those red herrings Law Enforcement is worried b the white subaru that was known to be his vehicle that was found there. They do know that he had a boat and a jet ski as well. So this could be that red herring. That could be The Wild Goose chase that he wants Law Enforcement to go down while he takes a completely different path. Jesse and they found a handgun in the car. Callahan, thank you very much. Thanks, jesse. Jesse here now, James Gaglioni A Retired fbi Special Agent. So theyre bringing in the armored car and we dont know if the boat deal was a ruse. Whats going through your mind . I think, jesse, the number one thing that concerns me, and it concerns all of Law Enforcement, you always want to reduce the variable count when youre looking to a tactical resolution. This incident here has the biggest case of variables there are. And you spoke to them. The fact that there is a vehicle that possibly he could have been in. The fact that theres a boat thats missing that he could possibly be in. You see, the things you want to reduce on the variable count. Number one you want to locate the suspect. We have a suspected mass murder. So were not guessing, hey, does he have a propensity to commit violence. Hes done that. Hes killed people, murdered them in cold blood. Number two, you have a rolling crisis site. Meaning you dont know where Law Enforcement are going to come upon him. Is he going to be see created in the house, on public transportation, and the worse case is, could he possibly take hostages. That changes the dynamic jesse every time were doing this. If hes barricaded we can stop Take A Deep Breath come up with a good deliberate plan. If he takes hostages and we know he has a propensity, hes already killed people, then it changes the dynamic. Jesse thats good analysis, and lets not forget hes the owner of a motorcycle, too. So youre just going to add another variable to the mix. The fact that you have a hunter, someone who fishes, obviously can survive in The Wilderness, familiar with this wilderness, what happens if he gets west . Or what happens if he gets north . And almost impossible at night in dense forest, he could be making major head way outside the perimeter the police have set up. Yeah, great point. The speed with which he committed this heinous crime, killed 18 people, theres probably a dozen or so that are still wounded and in critical condition, and then got away. He could be on the other side of the country by now. He could be on public transportation, he could be in a vehicle. He could be on foot. And, jesse, you know maine. Maine is not exactly a state that you would say is full of urban areas, theres a lot of rural areas there. So youve got to look at it from shutting roadways down, check points, then youve got to worry about hey, is he somewhere in some type of urban hide. Or is necessity the woods, you remember eric rudolph, the 1996 atlanta bomber, he hid out in the forest for years. So theres again, its the variables here and thats whats got everybody on edge and makes this so difficult to shut down. Jesse hes like an hour or so maybe more outside of Portland Maine and then you have the coastline right there, and youve got boston south, New Hampshire south. He could go north to canada. Or, as you said, he could just stay in the woods in maine for as long as possible. What would you, if you put yourself in the mind of this guy, whats the safest route. Over 55 of all Mass Shootings jesse there is thinking that goes into them before. These people are grievance collectors. Theres something that bothers them, eats at them. And then you add in the Mental Health and mental instability component. Again more variables. This guy was not a dumb guy, 40 years old, army reserveist, had never been deployed. He trained, i think, in wisconsin, georgia, new york. He was just and camp smith and petes kill new york just in july when they had him committed for a couple weeks to have a Mental Health evaluation. Im sure this guy gave it some thought and then with typical grievance collectors, something happens that triggers it. And when you opened the show, you talked about it, the possibility that he heard something in the bowling alley, something their at a timed him, piqued him and that caused him to go on this rampage. Hes a Petroleum Supply specialist in the army reserves, not suggesting hes an navy seal or army ranger but he knows how to kill people hes done it an expert marksman, knows his way around firearms, this guy is going to be a tough guy to hunt down but he will be captured he will be found if he has not killed himself already somewhere. Jesse hes going to be a tough hunt and he will kill again if thats what it takes. Thank you so much. Excellent analysis. Thanks. Jesse here now, former u. S. Army special forces and America Matters executive director jim hanson. So this guy has a grievance, we believe it was triggered from chatter or from an exgirlfriend situation. Went in there, mowed down 18 people, boom, disappeared. Yeah, exactly. And the question now is, if hes in the house, did he bring anyone with him. But all, you know, intention right now, they dont know that there are any hostages in there. And i think the most dangerous situation for all of us, for everybody on the, you know, Response Teams and for anyone inside the house is, if its a hostage situation. If its not, the available options for the Response Teams, for the operators going in, increases dramatically, and i think that is the situation were hoping for. If hes in the house, they want him to be alone because then they dont have to worry about anyone else potentially becoming, you know, a victim. Jesse so we heard about the protocol that they use to go in. Its maybe three hours. Why does it take that long, if youre going to go in first with the bull horn, then do you the thing where it lights up the house and then maybe a canine, maybe a drone. Why does it take three hours . I think in every one of those situations, the goal is to take him alive a