Out the door. I think one of the key votes i would look for going up on the board early on is andy biggs. Andy biggs, not only has i think a reasonable mind, i think he can step back from this. He will also be very influential on others. As goes biggs, i think a number of them will also go. I really do. And for, you know, Matt Rosendale has to look people in the mirror and say you are criticizing the speaker for working with democrats but you are the one that will be voting with the democrats today. So john yeah, an interesting point to make. We wont have to wait long when the roll is called to find out how biggs voted, at least his name is not zimmerman. Might have to wait a long time if it were. Jason, good to see you. Thanks so much. Really appreciate it. Thank you. John at this hour, House SpeakerKevin Mccarthy fighting to hold on to the gavel with the house set to vote on a motion to oust him. Breaking coverage continues with hour two of america reports. John roberts in washington. Good to have somebody with your experience here. Aishah im glad to be here. All hell is breaking loose john can we say it . Its true. Aishah chad pergram is in the thick of it all on capitol hill, he awaits Speaker Mccarthy to pass him and hopefully you can grab him when he heads to the house floor. Chad, what are you hearing in this moment . So here is whats going to happen in the next 20, 30 minutes. House is going to vote to table or try to set aside this effort by matt gaetz, the republican from florida to call for a new vote for speaker. The first vote you are going t see we are going to worry about, thats not an actual vote on getting rid of Kevin Mccarthy. Its not a new vote for speaker. Its an effort by mccarthy loyalists to try to postpone this, to set this aside, to kill this effort by matt gaetz. What ive just been told in the past few minutes, how the democrats are going to vote. Democrats have been told to vote no on the motion to table. So in other words, if you dont table this, then matt gates motion becomes live and that is where he says we dont have a speaker right now. Lets have a vote for speaker, thats the motion to vacate the chair. And if the second motion, if the motion to table fails, then the motion to actually vacate the chair, to call for a new speaker election probably prevails, and where the democrats have told their members to vote yes on the motion to vacate. The democratic leadership just put out a statement in the past hour saying they will vote yes on the motion to vacate. This is why this is so confusing to figure out how this is going to vote. First of all, we dont do this sort of exercise in the House Of Representatives very often. The last time was 1910. A motion to vacate. Almost a No Confidence Vote similar to what you would have in a Parlimentary System in Great Britain or someplace in europe. We dont have those with speakers of the house generally. But the reason its hard to figure out the algebra here is you might have a number of democrats not participate. They might vote present, that volume et does not count toward the total, and might not even vote. Hakeem jeffries has said this is a fight, a civil war, his words, among republicans, they have to figure this out on their own. So the reason the algebra is so complicated, you dont know what the magic number is to actually prevail or defeat the motion. Thats the problem. But ill tell you what. If they do fail to table this, then they vote on the gaetz motion to vacate the chair, if the secondary motion fails, the primary motion, the motion to vacate is adopted and then we are off to the races. There is trouble in river city. There will be a vote for speaker. What happened on january 3rd, where we had the 15 rounds for five days voting repeatedly fo for Speaker Of The House over and over again, thats what the house has to go through to get a speaker. I dont think it will come to that vote, i will tell you, however, the record was more than two months in 1855 and 1856 and 133 ballots before they elected nathaniel banks. Kevin mccarthy says he will continue and fight, probably try to run again for speaker. And if it took that long to get him elected speaker considering the things inside the House Republican conference, it would probably take longer to get a speaker and keep in mind if it comes to that point, you cant do Anything Else on the house floor. All legislative activity stops. What we are focused on right now in the next half hour or so is that vote on the motion to table. And again, thats an effort to put aside the effort by matt gaetz to call for a motion for speaker. Back to you. Aishah chad, really quickly, im reading online on twitter here, jake sherman is reporting there are some House Democrats voting by hand in the well of the house, perhaps waiting for more members to arrive. Do we not have a full quorum here . Right now they have a full quorum because theres more than 218 members have voted. But what you do sometimes if you are trying to slow the process, and we saw this the other day where members waited until the very end. This was on the Parlimentary Motion before the vote to fund the government where democrats kind of slowwalked this a little bit. They didnt come in and vote by electronic device, kind of like a credit card, they didnt do that off the bat so trying to slow this down a little bit. We are in the middle of two votes that have nothing to do with whats going to come up later but a bit of a delaying tactic to slow it down and thats typical of the minority. You do that in strange circumstances like this, the republicans did the same for the democrats if the shoe was on the other foot. Right now thats what they are doing. I will say if we do get to an actual speaker vote we are going to see something we have not seen since january 3rd. Im told what they will do is require the members to vote vocally, call the role by alphabet, and go down the roll and currently 433 members of the house. It does not get to that unless the other two votes go the opposite way against Kevin Mccarthy. He reiterated this morning he thought that he would be successful, he said that he was confident that he would still be Speaker Of The House tonight, aishah. Aishah thank you very much. Stand by, let us know if you see Speaker Mccarthy heading out of his office to the house floor. Thanks, chad. John slowing things down, but at least nobody has pulled the fire alarm, not yet. Bring back bret baier, Executive Editor and anchor of special report, i dont know if you had a chance to hear jason chaffetz, he was chastising his republican colleagues saying look, there is no end game here. What is this all about . Like tom brady going into the super bowl without his playbook on his wrist. Bret good analogy. There is a question what the end game looks like and whats the purpose. Is this personal between matt gaetz and mccarthy, where does it go from here, gaetz says its not, says its bigger than that. I should point out the former president minutes ago went to truth social saying why is it that republicans are always fighting among themselves. Why arent they fighting the radical left democrats who are destroying our country, from former President Trump who obviously is in the middle of his own Court Case Up in new york. I should also point out i talked to somebody on capitol hill watching these votes very, very closely, doing their own whip counts and to the next vote thats coming out, this is what chad talked about, the vote to table gaetz motion, we are they are seeing that they need two more votes and they think they are on the cusp of winning the table the motion vote. And they are two shy. So as you move on to the next thing, you could see this table the motion happen and it pushes gaetz aside, which he could bring back up a motion to vacate as early as thursday. Aishah and that was going to be my followup to you, actually. Here is the thing, if we get through today, it could just happen over and over again, matt gaetz told reporters yesterday hes willing to go up to 15 rounds if not more, and obviously dis to how Kevin Mccarthy got the gavel in the first place. At some point the rule has to change, right. Bret yeah, you would think. It would not be add nauseum, i dont think republicans would put up with that, and pushback from people at home. What are you doing or not doing up there. We already hear people hate washington and hate congress broadly, but when you see dysfunction again and again and again in everybodys living room it starts to add up. So, we are going to watch this vote really closely, and if they are really just two votes shy, you know, you do some horse trading Behind The Scenes and who knows how those votes change. John we will keep watching it. We are told this is the vote before the motion to table comes up for a vote. Expected to last five minutes or so, well watch this closely along with you. Bret, thank you. Stand by. New york congressman mike lawler, you are planning to stand by the speaker. What do you expect will happen in the minutes ahead . Well, we are about to vote on the motion to table on the motion to vacate brought forth by matt gaetz, and the only way that matt gaetz can be successful in this is if House Democrats support it. He would need the support of aoc, ilhan omar, rashida tlaib, nancy pelosi, adam schiff and the like, and the fact he has aligned himself with these individuals to undermine the House Republican majority is disgusting, its shameful, and it speaks volumes to the fact he has put himself and his personal petty grievances above the American People. I think you called Matt Gaetz A Sharlaton the other day. And fox is told there are some republicans that are going to move to try to expell the congressman if hes found guilty in that Ethics Committee investigation. Can you tell us whats happening with that . Do you expect that to happen . Im not going to speak to what the Ethics Committee is doing, i will allow that process to play itself out. You dont expell a member because they are a jerk. Obviously there would need to be credible evidence to come forward. What im focused on right now is ensuring that our House Republican majority is able to govern and that we are able to do the business that the American People elected us to do, which is to pushback and hold Joe Bidens Administration accountable. The reckless spending, the open borders, the failure on foreign policy, we need to get back to work and matt gaetz is delaying our ability to do that by bringing this up. John all right. Congressman, we will let you go back in, the motion to table expected to come up for a vote in the next couple of minutes. Thank you so much, really appreciate it. Lets bring back our panel, juan williams, senior political analyst for fox news, and chris bedford, we are expecting mccarthy will walk over any second now, so maybe we want a big little chad pergrams camera, you heard lawler lay it out, matt gaetz is with aoc, the rest of the squad members, adam schiff, to undermine its looking tough for Kevin Mccarthy. You hear the complaints and frustration comes from where we have to get to the important work of protecting our border. Congress has not had a significant legislative hand since the 80s protecting the border. John into nostalgia like my friend juan over there. Mccarthy is coming through here, lets see. Sound up. How are you feeling, speaker . Feel good. Are you hopeful you will stay in the job . Stand by the idea you are going to be Speaker Of The House tonight . Yes, look. Im an optimist, no point being Anything Else. I think this is a big honor to be able to do this, i think we have been very successful at different points. I just would not understand if theres a handful of republicans who join democrats who get to determine who is the Speaker Of The House, but it is what it is. What about these republicans opposed to you, what has gone on here, what do you think is their thinking . These are the same ones who opposed me before, they are turning the floor over to the democrats. The first speaker to face this since 1910. I know joe canon did the resolution on his own, but the fact you are facing this, does that Say Something about the speakership or the narrow majority. No one thought about using it until the boehner part and then he did not go through with me, i continue to work through it. I know you dont like hypothetical questions, if it goes to a speaker vote eventually, will you continue to stand for speaker vote after vote after vote. Talk to me, well see what happens. What does the chaos saying about republicans right now . Aishah you just heard from Speaker Mccarthy as he walks in to meet his fate on the house floor. We are anticipating the next couple of seconds here a vote to table the motion to oust Speaker Mccarthy. Its all kind of gets gobbled up together, but lets bring our panel back in, so you heard from the speaker, hes very confident, looks and sounds the same, eternal optimist. What do you make of that . I think its interesting to hear him say as his Base Argument as he goes into the arena that its about turning power over to the democrats. So hes appealing to people who may be on the line, bret baier said when it comes to the vote to table they may be able to get a few people who would say lets table matt gaetz initiative and i think his appeal to those people is you are opening the door to democrats take over. I find that just listening as a political analyst a pretty weak appeal. It may suffice, you know, i cant vouch for that. John you work with what youve got. All hes got at this point. Those are the same people who have said they dont trust him, they dont want him, but his argument is oh, you are helping the democrats here. John and thats what i posited to you 40 minutes ago, or more than that, if he could effectively make the case that because now, im wondering if theres some weird coordination between Hakeem Jeffries and mccarthy over this, if you have the entire Democratic Caucus arrayed against you, united, does that give republicans impetus to vote to keep him as speaker . We have the public letter from Hakeem Jeffries but dont know what was said in the democrat meetings where members were asked not to bring staff and leave their cell phones outside in cubbies, we dont know what deals could be happening. Its up in the air, ive gotten some negative texts mccarthy world worried about where its going now, less optimistic than their always optimistic boss and question for gaetz, who is the constituency hes playing to here. Kevin mccarthy is not particularly unpopular with maga, donald trump republicans. John Marjorie Taylor greene likes him. So the idea of winning a primary for the governor of florida. Im not sure if the votes exist there. We were talking earlier, is there some kind of Donor Interest that would come, small Donor Interest from knocking out mccarthy, im not sure what the play is for popularity there. Aishah juan, what about the moderate democrats . We talk about aoc and others, and they would not vote to save mccarthy, he may not represent them but has been able to reach across the aisle and work on averting a Government Shutdown, for example. Right, the question both for moderate democrats and moderate republicans, they are trying to protect their seats. For moderate democrats, protecting their seats would say wait a minute, look at who is putting on this clown show and everybody is crashing and things are not getting done. I think they are ok but they would like to see some progress but they are comfortable abiding by Kareem Jeffries rule if its the one that chris was talking about in the letter, lets Stay Together here. Moderate republicans on the other hand, they are really to me fascinating because they, too, want things to work, but they also realize that they are putting themselves at greater risk if this kind of two days from now gaetz is back again, and we are back in the same spot. At some point then people who are in Swing Districts say what kind of representative do i have thats party to this madness . John like the tom cruise movie edge of tomorrow, the day keeps repeating again and again and again. Tom cruise eventually ended up beating the alien, but if you keep on doing the same thing over and over again at some point do people just say stop. Whats connecting the parties. What puts matt gaetz and Kevin Mccarthy aoc, why is she in the same party as chuck schumer. The way the parties are right now and the american system with the moderate republicans, moderate democrats, liberal democrats, conservative republican, it seems they are not even the kind of group that most of the country and the Parlimentary System you would see on the same team at all. Aishah Speaker Mccarthy has entered th