let's get the read from patrice from the independent women's forum and democratic strategist, laura fink. let's start with you, patrice. >> right now in the election were held told, the economy and inflation would be number 1. president biden's handling is under water significantly, particularly with independents. those in swing states, those will be the voters deciding the next election. that said, at the start of 2020, i don't think anybody would have anticipated a pandemic disrupting the entire nash and giving a lift up to president biden. it's early. at this point, the economy is a huge factor. >> laura, some of the numbers that are trending along with president biden, 19% said their personal -- 19 points increase in those that say their personal situation has gotten more negative. we see that across the board. >> i think that's right. charles, i agree with patrice. i think think is going to be a huge issue in the 2024 campaign. i think back to where ronald reagan was in 1983, where president obamas in 2011. and they had similar sour economic ratings. i think the economy is kind of like when you make moves to change the economy to improve it, it's like when you go on a diet and exercise plan. you work hard in the beginning, but you don't necessarily see results. i think what you'll see is jobs from the chips act, jobs from the infrastructure bill, those will be becoming online. right away you'll see prescription drugs prices go down, which is certainly going to help voters moods. i think you'll see the independents get a little bit happier. this is one of those things where it takes time to see those investments. your seeing interest rates come down. you're starting to see -- inflation come down and hopefully you'll see the interest rates come down as well. >> charles: picking up on that theme, president biden started off with steroids. we didn't have to build into this. the trillions that were poured into this economy made for some phenomenal-nominal economic data. but adjusted for inflation is where the problem is. laura just brought up inflation. here's the rub. all of that money is fading away. all of that money will be gone and all that will be left are high interest rate payments, three sources of consumer debt above a trillion dollars. auto loans, student loans and credit card loans. delinquency rates are beginning to sky rocketed. >> they're all figures that we've been triking to give a hole some picture to where house hole finances are. the student loan payments will be coming online soon and many households that have not accounted for that in their budget. the excess savings that was built up during the pandemic because people kept their jobs thankfully and they didn't sneed the extra stimulus checks that president biden was adamant about sending out. as a result, bidenomics beginning with the american rescue plan, inflation took off. globally inflation was remaining low. so, you know, the fact that inflation is starting to moderate is a good thing. that doesn't mean that prices have come back down to when president biden took office. americans recognize that. they know how much more they're paying now and connecting the dots between bidenomics, the american rescue plan and all of these big ticket spending bills and the inflation that we're seeing today. >> charles: laura, republicans will pick up on the rebounding gasoline prices. considering what happened with the strategic petroleum reserve and a mild winter last year. it was pretty fortunate for everybody. the numbers are starting to tick up rapidly. >> well, if he expects gas prices to save them, they should probably come up with something else. i think one of the challenges is that republicans have put nothing on offer except tax cuts for the wealthy as their solution to all of the challenges that we are discussing. all of the frustrations that americans are feeling right now. so what one person may see as a rejection of bidenomics actually when you look at the alternative and you see absolutely nothing coming out of that debate this past week and you see -- >> charles: let me jump in for a second, laura. gasoline prices, the correlation between sky rocketing gasoline prices and presidential elections is undeniable. if there's a legitimate argument about the fact that there's been a war against drilling in this country. consequently, now all of this oil has been taken out of the strategic reserve, which we pray we don't need soon, how will president explain that to people that need it day to day? 61% of americans say they're living paycheck to paycheck. >> i think that's a challenge. the economy does need to improve. joe biden is working on that. that said, the challenges that americans are face rudy guliani real and part of it is empathizing with that. i'll bring up the prescription drugs. they may be paying more in gas prices wu you're seeing seniors and other americans paying less for the prescription drugs that they require. when they look at what the republicans have to offer, they're voting no against infrastructure bills and no against green factories in the south and in ohio. we haven't even begin to talk about the issues outside the economy. although the issue of the economy is central, we have seen voters talk about vote on other things like access to reproductive rights -- >> charles: that's because this segment was about the economy. that's why we didn't talk about the other things. real quick, patrice. final word. >> yeah, i think house republicans have been putting forward measures and ideas particularly when it comes to reigning in federal spending. when it comes to ensuring that we're not spending more now and leveraging the futures of our americans and debt. so you know, this idea that you spend more to make more is what got us in this high inflation to begin with. we need to cut back on the reckless spending in washington. that's what a lot of americans want to see. by the way, the inflation reduction act was never about reducing inflation for regular folks. >> charles: let's leave it there. thanks very much. appreciate it. all right folks, when you thought it might be safe to go back in the grocery store, let's say you'll need a bigger wallet. a key read showing pricing ticking higher in july, which could lead the federal reserve to push rates higher. we're going to get into the market impact later in the show. first, i want to go to steve moore and what that could mean for the economy. steve? >> hey, hi, charles. we're not out of the woods on inflation. that's the basic finding of these new reports. now, yeah, this time last summer, charles, inflation was 9.2%. now it's somewhere between -- i say about 3.5%. i got to say this, charles. when you look at those essentials, grocery prices, rents, mortgages, utility bills, those are running way ahead of 3.5%. that's why people get so angry when people like you and i say there's only 3.5% inflation. a lot of people feel like the inflation they're feeling themselves is closer to 10%. >> charles: without a doubt. the federal reserve likes to look at core inflation, which came in last week. a little bit higher. 4.2%, that means the federal reserve will keep the pedal to the metal, right? >> yeah, look, let's look at what has happened to mortgage rates. so as you know, when trump left office, we were at 2.9%. now 7.1%, the national average. so we were looking at these calculations in terms of what that means for buying a new home. the median home is a little less than 1/2 a million dollars now. let's use $500,000 as our example. you're going to have to pay over a third of your mortgage just because of those higher interest rates somewhere between 250 and $300,000 more because of the 30 years of higher rates. another way to put it, a year ago, you might have been able to afford a $500,000 house. now you can only buy a $300,000 because of the higher mortgage rates. that's not calculated in to these inflation numbers that you just cited. >> charles: i think the phenomenon is how fast interest rates went up and mortgage rates. we had inflation spurred up to a 40-year high and that gives back to the notion that free mow solves nothing. in the end, it's made it worse. >> yeah, i mean, look, i was just listening to your previous conversation. this idea that the $6 trillion of spending that biden did was stimulating, well, what it really stimulated is more growth of government and more debt. you nailed it when you said, yeah, we spent all the money but now that money is put in to the economy. now we're left with paying the bills. that's why -- the economy right now is pretty decent. it's growing at 2.5%. some of the indicators are faster than that now. when you look at those numbers about how indebted not just the federal government, yes, massive national debt but look at the numbers on how many people can't pay their credit card debt these days. almost half of americans can't keep up with their credit card debt. they're going -- that means a lot will have to default that will cause problems in the banking industry. i'm not trying to be a debby downer here. i'm saying the spending has been done. now we have to pay the bills. >> charles: of course, the student bills come back online as well. we're going to see an avalanche of delinquencies across the board. something we should brace for. thanks, steve. >> by the way, charles, the bidens will want us, the taxpayers to pay for that student loan debt. >> charles: it's nuts. the most fortunate people in the world are people with a college education. thanks. appreciate it. when it comes to 2024 right now, forget about watching the polls. follow the money. what has you feeling stressed out? 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>> look, i think former president trump definitely has a grip on the smaller donors. we've seen the smaller donors continue to be excited about the former president. he has a very strong grass-roots base. we have seen that demonstrated ever since the day after the milwaukee debate that he was not at, we saw his mug shot be released from the fulton county jail. normally that would be not good for a politician. we've seen what mug shots have done to past politicians. it's not good. however, for former president trump, he's raised millions of dollars off of that. shows how he can galvanize his base with this simple image. put it on merchandise and make millions of dollars. >> charles: right. what would have thought a mug shot on a coffee mug would have been a winning idea for a politician. before i let you go, before we head into the next debate, is it too early to say, okay, someone has to -- maybe multiple candidates have to step up. at some point you have to whittle this field down? >> yeah, you have to whittle this field down. you know, obviously former -- current miami mayor francis suarez said he made the debate. he did not make the stage. he has since dropped out. there's questions about a north dakota governor, doug burgum. where does he go from here? 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>> remember, the economy seems like it's great. this is really a bounce back from covid. three years after the fact, all of the jobs we're adding, everything is a bounce back from covid. i wouldn't say the economy is fabulous or great. to me -- >> charles: where the trend line would have been. >> exactly. >> charles: to that point, considering what it took to get her, 6.7 trillion. you know, don't pay these bills. not of that is coming back. will we get through this trend line or start to falter again? >> we'll have a problem going to the second half of 2023. everybody is so bullish. 2022, we fell off a lot. i've been shocked at how bullish the market has been. i it may not last. people say we're in a recession. the fact is that over all when you look at the economy, if we had low unemployment, powell is not going to cut rates. people are betting the farm that he's going to cut rates in early 2024. if he doesn't and we keep getting the boost of higher rates -- remember, businesses borrow money. it will affect their spending. >> charles: to that point, david, the recession was the call coming in to the year. now it's shifted to potentially a soft landing. if powell doesn't blow it and who is to say he hasn't already, so many rate hikes in to the system, but the sense is maybe we can have one of these elusive soft landings. you buying that? >> goldilocks is a great story to read my kids but it's not a great indicator of the economy. this is a very interesting moment. when we heard last week about pce going up .2, that is a really important moment for us to be checking in on the fact that hey, we're seeing inflation come back up right now. we're looking at credit card dealt in the consumer hitting over a trillion dollars this last month. is that a big deal. as we start out september, october, the two worst months of the year, we'll see a lot of things will unravel. >> charles: so you're looking for an echo boom. it booms and comes down. and then another boom and comes back up. >> we're tracking in that direction. it's inflationary to be spending the money the way we are. janet yellen two more trillion to spend for the second half of the year. i'm concerned about that. inflation is literally the way through printing. >> charles: what is interesting, melissa, now if the federal reserve says they're going to let their bonds roll off the balance sheet, they're not buying. japan, they're the biggest holder of our treasuries but they're buying their own. china has been selling ours like crazy to keep their economy going. isn't there a reason for buying yields to go up? >> you're thinking logically. we're in a situation which is an anomaly. part is the big spending and the stimulus spending from covid like you just said. think back, people keep saying, remember when rates were 11% for mortgages? we had worse than this. it was higher than this. that may be true. like my parents, my grand parents, they didn't spend more than they had. people nowadays overspend. we're using credit now like we never used credit. 30, 40, 50 years ago. when you have credit card rates at 30 some% and mortgages at 7 1/2%, yeah, people had an uptake in what they're making in wages but it doesn't account for the high costs. and what people are paying to borrow. you're thinking logically based on the past. there's banks that could go under and the big banks will buy them up. part of it is the bond problem. they're invested in the long-term bonds. if rates keep going up, it will hit the smaller banks. >> charles: i didn't realize the macy's card is 34%. it's mind boggling. >> i love macy's though. it's christmas time. hey. you know, don't put that on the regular visa. use ours. you pay for it the rest of your life. under the dire circumstances, you guys are bringing in the dark clouds. it's supposed to be an upbeat day. >> we're sorry. >> charles: what happens to markets? 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hitha herzog is here to discuss. the last two weeks, it's mind boggling to hear the retailers, the numbers. hundreds of millions. now we're hearing the b word thrown around. you talked about this a long time ago. you saw this happen ago long time ago. but to this degree? >> i did, charles. i wrote a back about it called black market billions. you're right. i wrote this book 12 years ago. this is the first time i've seen retail cfos on earnings california out the fact that they're losing profits due to attrition of -- it's called shrink. specifically in the case of dick's sporting goods, the cfo called out organized retail crime and stolen merchandise from stores. so you're seeing this happen with dick's sporting goods, with target. we saw this with five below recently when they reported out their earnings. with dollar general today of course. we're seeing this -- organized retail crime and theft have happened forever. since retailers have existed, right? this is the first time that i have seen upper management on earnings calls actually say something about it. so this is a real red flag, charles. >> charles: i want to read to the audience five below. it's one thing that they say this happened in the next three months. i've never seen anything like this. blew me away. they're talking about their company. the earnings, they had to adjust it to reflect anticipated increases and strength. they say the sales will be the same but they're going to lose money because what we're watching on the screen is going to get worse. that is shocking. what can be done about it? that's the question that everyone askses. >> everyone says, it's the retailer's problem. they need to up the skufr -- security and figure it out. it's not just about the retailers. i covered this for more than a decade. the loss prevention executives are working as hard as they can. it comes down, charles, to the local governments and state governments. there needs to be more of a partnership between the retailers and local governments. when you have thresholds of grand larceny that are increasing, when you -- when someone is charged with a grand larceny of $950 or above versus $500 when it was maybe 10, 12 years ago, even back then, it was a lot. now it's really a lot. people -- there's no consequence. so it's not just the retailer's problem. we're also looking at small businesses. these small businesses are also feeling the pinch, too. so this really comes down, charles, to the local governments, local and state governments. they need to work with retailers or we'll see this happen quarter after quarter. >> charles: we're seeing a lot of stores like san francisco, nordstrom's just closed there. places like seattle. and finally, hitha, i'm hearing some ceos hint at this. i think it was walmart that hinted at different jurisdictions. they're not calling out names specifically. at some point, do they say this city is letting this happen and we have to close shop if they don't change the laws? >> exactly. why would they call out the specific jurisdictions? it comes down to politics. you're right. it has to -- they have to at some point, these cities have to take it into consideration and take it upon themselves to help the retailers. retailers can only do so much. as we're seeing, this is sort of the last sort of like call for help. when you're seeing these cfos on earnings calls saying look at how it's eroding our profits. it's going to impact the consumer. we're going to have to turn to raising prices. making sure that we are accounting for all of that attrition and all of that shrink. it's going to come down to the consumers to have to pay for it. that's not what they want to do specifically in the case of walmart when they want to make sure prices are always affordable for everyone. i'm not trying to sell like a walmart commercial but that's their thing, low prices. but with all retailers, those prices are going to increase to account for this and it's going to come back down to the consumer. >> before i let you go, you saw this coming a long time ago. it's on steroids at this point. i mean, how much worse do you think it's going to go? 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the results are in. the top daily stressors that annoy people including walking behind a slow moving person, hearing a stranger's loud speaker phone conversation. my next guest, everyone is sec along with ricky slot. ricky, what do you think? do those make you -- do you have some special ones? >> i would agree that it is pretty irritating especially people with their airpods in having those loud conversations going on the streets. for slow walkers, 100%. a broken dishwasher which as a new yorker is not a problem that i'm personals -- personally familiar with. but i would say these are all very first world problems for the stressors that we have today with inflation and economic turmoil and crime. so, you know, i say say there are more pressing matters. >> charles: but abby, when i go outside, someone is walking too slow, i'm upset. what country are you from because you cannot be from the bronx walking that slow. >> i agree with you, charles and you are tall. i'm used to getting from point a to the point b correctly. especially when you are tall and someone is going slow in front of you. it is holding those annoying. it is true. i get stressed about going to the grocery store because i'm paying an arm and a leg for a box of eggs, a carton of eggs. it is interesting because this study said that 70% of people feel like they constantly need a break because of these little annoyances. but if those are little annoyances, then i think you have a pretty good. being a new yorker, maybe taking down your trash and seeing the rats running around, that is another little stressor. >> charles: that is more than a stressor. if you are trying to lose we weight, might help. speaking of truth out, a turkish airlines is now offering a kids free section, this is for adults who don't want to deal with that noise, abby, you're going to buy into that one? >> i personally and not because i feel at any time you are sitting next to a kid on the plane, it is free entertainment for the adult you are -- because you are constantly having to entertain them. i like it. these tickets are apparently only $49. i can see it being an appeal for a lot of people. and i first -- first i was like, there's no way. how are we going to make this work? they are only setting aside 93 seats. if it is going to be a 10-hour flight, maybe i would buy in. >> charles: i mean, the kicking part, sometimes i think it is worse than the talking. >> i completely agree. being in front of them is the worst part. hopefully the kid free zone does not include any seats behind them. i would say this also takes in -- some stress off her parents because i feel bad for parents with kids that are very small. so at least now they know the most unfriendly faces will be in a different part of the cabin. >> charles: don't go back to those mean people, okay? that is the first thing you tell the kids when they get on the plane. i have another one for you. as we get closer, we're going tr look at gen z, the habits that they have, including how they catch their z's. this generation is most likely to fall asleep with their phones not necessarily super surprising, right, rikki? >> i do fall asleep often with my phone under my pillow which i know is a bad habit. this is something that i see with all my friends and i think it impacts our sleep. >> charles: and it impacts a lot. what do you think, abby? >> i'm glad to know rikki is gen z. i was about to talk a lot of trash of gen z but i will hold it back. if you are falling asleep with the phone in your hand, maybe the are on your phone are not as invigorating and mentally stimulating as you might think they are. so i think it is good that they are following us, because maybe they will learn a lesson. but what really grosses me out is that only 9% -- 19% of gen z take showers before bed. that seems like something you probably should be doing. >> charles: i read about this, watching the scammer and he fell asleep, they were watching all the keystrokes for 3 hours it was nothing but z's he fell asleep on the keyboard and when he woke up, he started playing again. they found that a lot of these guys, a lot of this generation falsely with their clothes on. is that from a hard day's work or it just gets too much time to take off your clothes when you are messing around with your phone. >> i think we grew up with our phones as a -- appendages and sometimes you can fall into these rabbit holes and scrolling doom loop switch when you grow up and have an iphone when you are in town like i did which i will not admit to falling asleep in my -- but i will say this is definitely because we have been conditioned for such a young age to just be constantly glued to our devices to the point that sometimes it can lull us off to sleep which is sad to hear that so many people are not only failing to asleep with their clothes on but failing to brush their teeth apparently which is pretty disgusting. >> charles: it does the opposite for me. it keeps me up. >> that blue light, there's been a lot of research showed that that keeps you away. if i can just say i'm not usually proud to be a millennial because we have our own set of issues. but we are the highest group that think about our favorite things throughout the day to help us fall asleep. so i thought that was really nice. >> charles: look at that. you always find a good thing, a silver lining. ladies, thank you both very much. i appreciate it. all right, folks, that will do it for me here. you can catch me on weekdays on the fox business network, 2:00 p.m. on "making money." it has been a wild ride for this market an incredible first half. a rocky august and i kind of disagree with our earlier test. i think we make a lot of money in the second half and we have to be very selective like you are when you pick your tv stations. so enjoy the rest of your holiday weekend. 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