to know whether everyone on the stage agrees that i cut my oath to the constitution that day. >> these prosecutors in these localities in the states are refusing to their job and arrest violent criminals. >> unlock american energy. drill, frak and embrace nuclear. >> then came the media dilemma. who had won the debater had a strong night? there is no consensus. the investigators are all over the map. >> ramaswamy absolutely dominated this debate. >> you brought up tim scott. i had actually forgotten about him for a second. he was not good last night. >> ramaswamy seemed like your annoying freshman. >> i think nikki haley will get a second look based on some of the things she said tonight. >> exceeding expectations. >> absolutely. >> i thought everyone else was a nonfactor. chris christie was flat, tim scott a senator. howard: everyone has got an opinion. you undoubtably have one as well this underscores that the debate did not move the needle that much. i am howard kurtz and this is "media buzz". ♪ howard: hunter biden's lawyers trying to drag his father into the case. donald trump's fourth arraignment in georgia draws nonstop coverage. ramaswamy stole the show. the most entertaining guy out there but also constantly interrupted, constantly on the attack and constantly saying in return. >> now is not the time for on-the-job training. we do not need to bring in a rookie. >> the reality is you have a bunch of people following slogans handed over to them by their 400 page super pacs last week. howard: joining us now a columnist and cohost of a podcast getting hammered. also a democratic strategist. what do you say about the billion people in our business. who even had a good night on the debate stage? >> first of all, so many of them there is a distinction between different types of performances. talking a lot does not mean doing yourself a lot of good. as my children, or myself. [laughter] it is okay to analyze it in different ways. there are eight guys out there. you could land a knockout punch, except for the champ is not in the ring on this one. you can do yourself a little bit of good and start to build some momentum. d santos and haley were probably best at that. keep it rolling through the next few weeks is the issue. >> agreeing with me that desantis had the best performance and a pull backed up by the washington post, would that person be making much headway against the person that was the front runner, donald trump. >> that is a great question. nothing has really changed in terms of the dynamics. what i found fascinating is google searches for ramaswamy. who was this guy. he is on the ground in iowa this weekend. larger crowds. howard: let's face it, no one had heard of him six months ago. >> nikki haley raising more money than any other day since she announced her race. does it mean a whole heck of a lot compared to donald trump and his standing in the republican polls? probably not. >> since you brought up ramaswamy. having a great time out there. interesting to watch him. he had a rough exchange with nikki haley. at take a look. >> defund israel. >> let me address. i'm glad you brought that up. [cheering and applause] >> these are pretty serious questions. israel, saying ukraine is not a party to the u.s. ramaswamy, it was pretty serious stuff. >> this is the downside to coming in as a newcomer. you have some fresh takes, may be speaking to less experienced observers which is part of the electric. that can be great but then you do get vetted on your ideas. haley is speaking to something she has extensive experience with. it shows. helpful in the exchange. she and desantis to which i reference earlier, they're both talking about things they have done. ramaswamy does not have that advantage at this moment. >> he got grilled on two sunday shows today. he is a natural debater. you have to give them credit for being at the center of that stage. does the media understand how we senses this sweet spot of the gop base? >> that is a good question. i think he is more in sync than anyone on the debate stage. that is why he is taking so much incoming. sixteen different attacks. no one knew about them four years ago, ramaswamy, he was not prepared to run four years ago like nikki haley or ron desantis was. >> nobody knew about them four minutes ago. [laughter] >> on the issues of whether voters knew of him, the sophisticated ones interested in some of the policies they are, he has been on the target of this esg self for quite some time. i think for a lot of them that was the entrée into their lives. >> i was just going to say, kevin, he said three times the climate change agenda is a hoax. extreme weather, is this what we will be arguing about? >> i think so. i think he is out of sync with a lot of republicans. young republicans in this country, key voting in these elections, they care about climate change. i think he is out of step for a lot of those views. we will see if it hurts him. >> desantis had his strongest moment of his debate and maybe the first half which was to short-circuit a hand raising question on this issue. gop voters actually want to hear and energy debate. want to hear debate about how you deal with disasters. how you leverage government's power to do those things well. he just said we will have that debate. were not required to have the religious belief question, we will have this debate and i think that worked well for him. >> happy to debate it, but i don't want to just raise my hand what are the facts he told us or did not tell us about the willingness of the modern base to move on from trump or at least be open to persuasion? >> the fact that nearly 13 americans tuned and was very surprising to me. i thought it would be a lot less without trump. he was the star. i think it shows that there is at least an interest in hearing what these candidates are saying as we kick off the election season and this really is a start of the election season. howard: the downside for donald trump, if there was a downside for not showing up. which is, you know, the spotlight shined a little more brightly on people like ramaswamy. again with ramaswamy, he challenge others to join him. giving donald trump a preemptive pardon. the crowd went wild. >> one of the issue with his candidacy is he is running so close to donald trump that you get a little confused about why he is running. he says he is the greatest president of the century. i think that that is an issue for him. i do think it matters a bunch of people watch this. may be talking about not trump is not a bad idea. there's a lot going on in this country. he gave people that space to breathe. >> i think it was a good call. it allowed for a lot of substance. and a lot of yelling and one-liners that you see in any debate, dominating this thing. for a few minutes, he did and that it was moving on to something else. also, not applying to state cases. it is an admission of guilt. i don't know if the foreign president would want to do that. you can understand why television is drawn to ramaswamy he is funny. he talks very fast. even faster than i do. but i am reminded of other people who sort of shot to the top of the polls when they were brought in. a surgeon from baltimore or canaan, the pizza guy or michelle bachmann. it seems like the primary voters fall in love for a while and then fall out of it. is that a fair assessment? >> he is a respect the hustle candidate. and i do respect the hustle. does it play for an extended period on this big stage? that is a question. he will be wrestling without the coming weeks. >> the point that you made earlier, if you don't have a record, the guy created multibillion-dollar businesses. he is a very smart guy. every single thing that you say, well, you said this in a book a year ago and now you are saying something different. it does seem to me that drawn to the newcomer, new storyline. at the same time, he will really get the media scrutiny. >> to his credit he has been willing to go outside of the conservative media ecosystem. a bunch of other networks talking about issues like the controversy around 9/11 that he is now getting a lot of attention on. but i do give him credit for going different places and engaging with less friendly media. howard: i would say he had no choice. nobody knew who he was. you know, he was everywhere unlike candidates that were sort of carefully taking their spot. >> i just want to say videos, a real peak millennial move. >> iowa state fair, on stage. >> he is just able to create these moments that sometimes -- that can be a disadvantage as well. it plays on twitter. twitter is not always your love. >> now known as x. a debate showing ron desantis 20 points behind trump in iowa which is a significant lead, but it is now 40. new document showing light on hunter biden. backing trump even if he winds up in jail.) up in jail.) ♪ , he's straight ahead. up in jail.) ♪ he's straight ahead. straight ahead. go go go. ♪ cover more ground in the kia sportage turbo-hybrid. kia. movement that inspires. conquer financial reports. conquer 2000-word essays. conquer 300 thank-you notes. rule over what you write with the smooth writing, longest lasting gel ink pen in america. do you g2? 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[cheering and applause] howard: a fascinating moment, mary katharine. looking to their left. what is everyone else saying. chris christie -- everyone else said that they would back him. that is pretty remarkable. >> i think they would have. they have all signed this pledge that said they will support the eventual nominee. i may be out of step on this, too, but i would like a presidential candidate that is open to new information. we are not sure what he would be convicted on. sometimes they have been unfair to this former president. i have not seen it happen yet. i would like to know we can act according to those facts as they come in. >> the other candidates came up with 37 different ways. we have to look forward. it is up to the voters. a new generation of leaders. along those taglines. if they are dancing around this question, what if donald trump is convicted and even possibly sentence, you know, he may not be convicted, but, how do they expect to beat him? why would people not just vote for donald trump? >> that is a great question. i cannot figure it out either. you have all of these candidates campaigning for the number two spot without taking on the person with that massive lead like donald trump has. i don't know the position to be commerce secretary or nicki is trying to be secretary of state or something with this dynamic laying out but if you want to take out joe biden you have to go through donald trump first. >> much easier to attack joe biden. i want to play some sound. the day after the debate was a day that donald trump decided to surrender in georgia. it was like somebody flipped a switch. all of a sudden all of the coverage, oh, here he is getting off the plane. this is what the foreign president said after his arraignment. >> i thought it was a rigged election. a stolen election. i did nothing wrong. >> anderson cooper on cnn said he continued to make dishonest claims not worth hearing. cnn did play some excerpts later msnbc did not play anything. twenty-four hours of reading up on trump. he does not get one minute. >> this is my issue with a lot of modern media. you can refute his speech, and people did on their. just have him have his say. if he will lead your broadcast for the entirety of the day cap them have a say. there is a cost to us of knowingly broadcasting untrue things. i would like someone to send that memo to rachel meadow of the russia gate years. >> he is the leading candidate for the republican nomination for president. if you simply say we will not show him because we think he is a liar, what does that say about your news organization. sending the other attacking him. everyone talking about the mug shot. let's put it up it described as some as a death stare. he wanted to send a message. what is it that is so compelling to the media about that image? >> he goes and turns himself in. i believe he had until friday. let it be on the record, if it should come to it, i would be a smiling workshop. i don't think that was corrupt for trump. he will have retribution. whether he has the discipline of whoever's showing the discipline to have that retribution in some sort of legal manner is another question. it is funny to me that anyone thought he would be sort of put in his place by this. have you met this person? of course he will sell it on t-shirts, of course he will capitalize. >> some people think this will define him in 100 years. you looking you say this is awful. the ultimate in defiance. >> a lot of his supporters. this, i think goes to the idea of what trump is doing. a media play for his legal defense. it is not a legal defense. his campaign. his lawyers were probably not happy with his statement on the tarmac for example. continuing to talk about the case without a common filter. he is continuing to play this communication strategy and the media in regards to his defense. we will see if it works out. >> reportedly very happy with that image. if you love him or hate him, you interpret it differently. he has criticized fulton county da for starting her own fundraising effort just before the indictment drop. he has raised a lot of money off of these indictments. mary katharine ham and kevin walling, great to have you in studio. the 9/11 conspiracy theory next. ♪ you won't overpay for glasses if you shop at america's best. they offer two pairs and a free, quality eye exam starting at just $79.95. i can see from your expression that you find that shocking. ...aaaaaaaand, you don't have ears. book an exam today at americasbest.com. 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>> great question. a candidate catches fire, rises in the polls and the scrutiny comes. spending and amount of time with him in his home, going to events the tape prove that he was wrong the campaign says that they were taking grossly out of context. joe rogan came to his defense. i spoke with the spokeswoman and she says, does not believe the government is telling us everything they know about what happened on that day. does not have all the facts. telling me specifically, the only thing is saudia arabia's involvement not some crazed conspiracy theory. there is this sort of cleaning up of this entire issue. it would not be the first time something was taken out of context. it looks like a page out of the trump playbook. the debate is you are talking earlier. all the attention, 2015, we also saw trump engaging conspiracy theories but from a skeptical standpoint. their questions about this. i'm not saying i believe it. i'm just saying that we know enough. by the way, a trump supporter in 2016 and now he is immolating very much what trump did to get elected. >> he does have that style. he throws out a lot of seemingly inflammatory comments. the other day, caitlin collins interviewed and later on twitter he called her a -- which i thought was beneath him running for president. as you know, he was on nbc and cnn this morning. both very contentious interviews asking him do you acknowledge that white supremacy exist? he said he had never encountered a. he said many forms as if he did not want to answer specifically about people that identify as white supremacists. >> remember, truth is his campaign slogan. he wears the hat that says truth reverse racism is racism. he brought that on himself. and then with the climate agenda hoax, one of the big moments where he said i was the only one that stopped by and paid for and then he went on and said climate change agenda. he was asked about that as well on cnn. the reason why he says the climate agenda is a hoax is because it is not about the climate. he believes fossil fuels is what is needed to help compete against the reality of climate change in which he says he agrees there is man-made climate change. he is not denying that. >> he also got into about liberal congresswoman and the kkk. the kkk was a horrible murderous organization. i give him credit. he's gone on the show, he's taken the questions. something you have to do especially as a newcomer. hunter biden's lawyers and a blatant threat calling the president to the witness stand. ♪ [ applause ] >> the day you get your clearchoice dental implants makes every day a confident day... a never-hide-my-smile day... a life-of-the-party day... a take-on-the-world day... a believe-in-myself day... a flash-my-new-teeth day. because your clearchoice day is the day you get your confidence back for good. a clearchoice day changes every day. schedule a free consultation. this is hardball. how hunter biden's lawyer try to ratchet up pressure on the feds. upset about what he called a legal lease of the press. a threat calling hunters father -- from the e-mail president biden would be a fact witness for the defense said in a criminal trial. also this e-mail. of all cases justifying the use of spectacle of the sitting president. north of potential for constitutional crisis. >> biden's media millions stop covering up for hunter. >> hunter biden appears to be getting a harsher result because of its proximity to hunter biden frankly, that is unfair. >> no one cares if hunter biden even goes to prison except for joe. they are worried about the implications for that guy. the big guy. the guy running for reelection. >> trump is right he did make a fortune from china and joe biden was wrong. i don't know if he was lying about it, but this blind spot is a problem. >> joining us now in new york the host -- he has a story tonight at 10 eastern. kevin clark covers a white house for fox news. what do you make of this topic? it would be a shame if we had to call the president of the united states to witness that. >> another manipulation tack dick. if it was not for the last name biden, their client would already be imprisoned and swiftly prosecuted. if any of this were legit we never would've gotten to this point. he would be imprisoned instead of doing cocaine at the white house. this is all just theater to me. they have been using these manipulation tactics the entire time. there is political pressures from the right specifically coming from former president trump. you acquiesce in charge hunter biden. it just looks like you are bending the knee and you don't have a backbone. this is just theater to me. if joe biden were to be on the witness stand, can you will only understand what that would be like. >> it would be a media circus. kevin, this is a story documented with e-mails from two major news organizations. a little coverage on cnn, nothing on csn bc. your thoughts. >> there is an old saying, sue everybody. [laughter] and then just let it all shake out. i think this threat was a very wise tactic. the disappointment as a journalist is to watch the other networks in particular make a decision to actively not cover a story. i don't think it is a cover-up, i think it is a dereliction of duty. it will not go away as long as republicans control the house. >> trump was constantly demanding an investigation of hunter biden. hitting him with half charges would be devastating to the reputation of the justice department. you alluded to this just a moment ago. the justice department's reputation should be staying given the reluctance to prosecute the president's son. >> there is nothing that hunter biden can do that can get them into any trouble. his father is a sitting president and his father will go to any lines to make sure he is now prosecuted. at this point, the department of justice has lost most of its credibility. nothing more than an extension of the democratic party. possible charges could be brought against him. he just did not pay his taxes, enough of a reason to make a media circus of it all. there is some case law that is taken place in the past where, you know, people in these circumstances did not get imprisoned for having been on drugs. they just come up with any type of excuse they can. a 100-point presentation with pictures of former president trump, bill barr, anyone to clear hunter's name. >> hunter biden, after his plea bargain deal fell apart, could be prosecuted. it is true. amplified by the conservative media. is that a reason not to charge a presidents son? >> if the evidence is there, they have to follow the rule of law. the problem here it seems that on the surface house republicans and others making this come to light, whistleblowers included, this probably would have been swept under the rug. the president was less than forthcoming. i think that is generous saying that. my son did not make any money. i did not have any involvement. again, facts will still come out i think the proof is slowly developing. much like a polaroid family. howard: that is a great analogy. charlie, the new york times reported in its peace at the u.s. attorney in delaware, david weiss, now the special counsel, willing to skip any prosecution of hunter biden. not bring any charges whatsoever , but changes mind after those two irs whistleblowers came forward and suddenly you have david weiss demanding that hunter biden be prosecuted on the tax charges. >> you have a guy that is very well aware of the charges, potential charges being laid out all of the things that he could be guilty of purity will not be charged with anything at all. not even a simple misdemeanor until the irs whistleblowers came forward which i think is just even more of a stab in the face to the american people. a guy that was not going to charge hunter biden with anything and now suddenly he has been appointed special counsel. the doj specifically making that decision so once again, key can lead the cover-up. >> admitting the whistleblowers coming forward, they also said the doj officials should be prosecuted for illegal leaks about the case. the trump prosecutions as well, ongoing criminal investigation. supposed to be confidential. inevitably, a lot of stuff gets leaked out. >> they are trying to tell you, on the one hand, we are following this by the book. things leak out, this happens here. i told the times that, i told cnn this in the other, until and unless the folks at the doj really get a handle on what the leadership is, maybe some of the folks under the leadership are doing, it will really damage, long-term damage of the reputation of the rule of law at the doj. >> do you think it's possible with the special counsel david weiss in charge, they self to go to trial now. unless there is a new plea bargain that hunter biden will be convicted and possibly wind up behind bars. >> some kind of a conviction. behind bars is a bridge too far is my assumption. >> and other media strategy. behind-the-scenes access. does that only apply to attornec general'ovs? fle ♪ to 30% at pods.com today. at the alzheimer's association walk to end alzheimer's, this is why we walk. ♪ they're why we walk. ♪ we walk in the alzheimer's association walk to end alzheimer's because we're getting closer to beating this disease. join us. from big cities, to small towns, and on main streets across the us, you'll find pnc bank. helping businesses both large and small, communities and the people who live and work there grow and thrive. we're proud to call these places home too. they're where we put down roots, and where together, we work to help move everyone's financial goals forward. pnc bank. 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[inaudible] howard: firefighters quickly put out that place before past the kitchen. unthinkable damage. it just seemed tone deaf. trying to console people during a tragedy. bringing up the car crash killed this first wife and brother right after he was elected to the senate. sometimes he talks about the death of his son bo. he is trying to find common ground. the media just gave him a pass. perhaps the coverage would have been far different if they were describing a little kitchen fire at trump tower. drawing high marks from the debate. telling george stephanopoulos she has no way of proving. >> first of all a vote for joe biden is a vote for kamala harris. there is no way joe biden will finish his term. i think kamala harris is going to be the next president and that should send a chill up everyone's spine. >> how do you know joe biden will not finish his term? what is that based on? republicans, democrats and independents feel that. it's time that the media acknowledge that. >> i'm a member of the media and i have no way of knowing whether the 80-year-old president will finish. to declare that someone is certain to die, that seems out of balance. that is it for this -- oh, excuse me. living to be 99. what to be such a career. bob barker. taking the reins of the prices right back in 1972. ran the show for 35 years. audience members trying to guess the prices of things. nineteen daytime emmys. he was a legendary figure. now that is it for this week's edition of "media buzz". you can subscribe to our podcast we are back here next sunday. hope to see you then. eleven eastern. only media analysis show ond national television.wi's ♪ f to protect your ears from dizziness, ear ringing, and even hearing loss. never miss a moment with lipo flavonoid. >> woman: why did we choose safelite? we were loading our suv when... crack! safelite came right to us, and we could see exactly when they'd arrive with a replacement we could trust. that's service the way we want it. >> singers: ♪ safelite repair, safelite replace. ♪ it's true, though - you won't overpay for glasses if you shop at america's best. they offer two pairs and a free, quality eye exam starting at just $79.95. the exam alone is worth at least 59 bucks. i can see from your expression that you find that shocking. and you're actually speechless. ...aaaaaaaaand, you don't have ears. two pairs and a free exam for just $79.95. book an exam today at americasbest.com. it's true, though - you won't overpay for glasses if you shop at america's best. so many hotels... 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