Trump lawyers saying super not happening. Those lawyers not only worried about the pending crush of cases, but right now their client as well. Theyre not keen on the former president s plans for a major News Conference next monday in which he will reveal irrefutable ed of Election Fraud in georgia. So many moving legal pieces, so little time. Weve got the former Attorney General bill barr on that very issue, time. If you think about it, thats what it comes down to. Time. What legal cases can move forward and which ones cannot. Bill barr is here. Your world is now. Welcome, everybody. Glad to have you. Im neil cavuto. Bill barr in just a moment. First right now, we want to go to washington and this drama that is building fast and furiously with all of these pending cases and moving cases of pushing things back. They also concern some separate issues on the hunter biden matter. All of it happening together. Lets get the very latest from david. David . Neil, you mentioned time. Were waiting for updates involving criminal cases with the names of a former president and the current president s son. Think about when that has happened. Well, it happened. Were in unchartered territory as we said all along. Hunters legal team is standing strong argue ago Diversion Agreement on a gun charge. They say the agreement was signed by both parties. David weiss team says the agreement is null and void and starting from scratch. Theres in deal. On the donald trump front, he and 18 others are expected to surrender in georgia. Trump is not going tomorrow. This pushing things to next week, the same week as the president ial debate. On truth social, the former president teased that News Conference. He said its monday where he says theres irrefutable evidence and there will be a complete exoneration. But theres multireports out there that his advisers, his lawyers, those that have to defend him, are telling him its not a good idea to hold a News Conference answering questions and talking about the case as it could cause major problem in court with a jury. Its up to the former president to decide whether or not he will do that. Sounds as if his advisers are saying dont do it. Neil . Thanks, neil. Theres four big cases involving 91 charges against the former president , four humongous cases that could go on for quite some time, especially in the Trump Lawyers have their way of pushing off of these back. Attorney general bill barr who served in the Trump Administration with us right now. Attorney general, good to see you. Good to see you, neil. Neil first off on the georgia situation. The trump team is arguing no way we can do this in march which the prosecutor is looking to do. Its and Super Tuesday. Its not nearly enough time. Well, im not happy with the georgia case. I think its too sweeping, too broad, excessive case. Makes it like people are piling on and feeding the narrative that hes being victimized here. Theres merit in the point this is not a case triable before the election. Neil can any of them . I think the two federal cases will be tried. They are responsible cases and far more focused. I think they can be and will be tried before. The new york case is obviously a political hit job in my opinion. Its a joke. Neil his Business Dealings and everything. It was the payoff, hush money. I think at the end of the day, that may not be tried. I think its pushed out. I think bragg would be worried about bringing it to trial. Neil even in the case of the one you argued could be, he wants to get going in january. Right before the Iowa Caucuses. Should that i be weighing the timing of Super Tuesday or the Iowa Caucuses in the cases, jack smiths one . What . To some degree, they might accommodate a few days here and there. But i dont think that that should govern the schedule for pursuing these cases. You dont get immunity for two years to run an election by saying im a candidate. These investigations have been going on for a while. Everybody knew about them even before he announced his candidacy. So if theres a chance to get it resolved before the election, it should be. The American People should know. These are crimes potential crimes that involved morale terpitude. Neil the former president says this is a pileon, its unfair. Hes not a fan of you being here today. That that pileon is part of a process and welldesigned one. Well, as i said, yes, he has adversaries that were unfair, excessive, obsessive and treat him fairly unfairly. Neil the cases that youve seen, which are fair or legitimate . The federal case is legitimate. At the end of the day, the core of this, he engaged in a case of the documents, outrageous behavior that anybody would be prosecuted. Hes not being prosecuted for having the documents. Hes being prosecuted for october instruction. Two egregious instances are alleged. Its a very simple case and should be tried. If the judge is anywhere competent, that could be concluded before the summer. The other case after the election, he in my opinion he did cross the line. It wasnt just rough and tumble politics. He crossed the line. Neil when did he cross it for you . I think the federal case is good is responsible because it focuses on the hub of the issue, which is not just the lies and knowing that they were lies and thats what they allege, but the fact that he used this device of empaneling imposter electors, swearing that they were the electors. The key point there was they were in tandemly planned whereby the Vice President would use that as a pretext for nullifying the legal and certified votes. So it was a calculated and deceitful plan to remain in office by nullifying and negating certified legal votes. Neil was that effort at that time the game changer for you . I want to know when it came time that you were the loyal Attorney General and you said enough is enough. You resigned. I resigned december 14 because i thought that at that point the state votes were certified and that was the end of the legal process. I also didnt like the way he was spouting the big lie. I thought that was irresponsible. He took it much further than i expected or anyone expected. During this time, he was being told by lawyers in the white house if he kept doing this, he would spend the rest of his life tangling with the Criminal Justice process. Thats exactly what has happened. He shouldnt be surprised and no one else should be surprised. Neil the fact he didnt drop things could lead to some to believe and people that defend him say that he genuinely did feel that he was robbed and this was the good fight and the proper fight. Well, even if he did, and im dubious about that, that doesnt mean you can use illegal meaning to rectify it. If the bank is unfairly keeping your money, theres many things you can do to get it back. You cant rob the bank. Neil so at the time, it was a sense that you got from the president , donald trump, that you had done a 180 on him. On his truth social post, he said just today, sir, that bill barr didnt have the courage or stamina to fight but he knew what was happening. I canned him. I felt good about it. Now he goes all over the place, especially fox. I think hes thinking youre here. Pretending hes a tough guy. He used to say i was a tough guy. By the time of the election, after the election, i did part company with him. No one could talk any sense to him. He was taking things too far. Neil he didnt i want to get this clear. He didnt fire you. No. Neil at the time you left, he said of you, just had a very nice meeting with Attorney General bill barr. Our relationship has been a very good one. Hes done an outstanding job. As per a letter, bill will be leaving before christmas to spend the holidays with his family. That doesnt sound like someone that just got fired. No, he did not fire me. Neil what do you think when you hear that . At the end of the day, i dont really care. Neil its an issue for him today. Your being here is an issue today . I can understand his being upset by people speaking out against him. My loyalty is to the constitution. I felt he was screwing with it after the election. I wasnt going to stand around for that. He was listening and taking counsel from yes men that had no skin in the game. They were no officials and had no accountability for what they were telling him. I felt it was time to part company. Neil you already said, Attorney General that he knew well that he lost. You said free speech doesnt give you the right to engage in a fraudulent conspiracy. Explain that. Most crimes other than Violent Crimes involve speech. Stickem up. Fraud and plot, conspiracies involve speech. The federal government has said that knowingly telling lies to pressure people to do things in conjunction with a number of other actions is a conspiracy, a criminal conspiracy. He doesnt have a right to do that kind of planning. The right to stay in Office Despite the certified votes of the states. Neil you parted company with this on him. He comes back at you. And a lot of former cabinet officials, i think about three or so, that had not dared to weighin on that, why do you think that is . You know, the interesting thing about trump, ive noticed about him, he doesnt have a durable relationship with anyone other than people that are financially dependent on him. Neil why did you join him . Because he was he was the duly elected president of the United States. He was carrying out policies with which i generally agreed as a conservative republican and a big lie being used against him and being treated unfairly. Nobody from the established Legal Profession was standing up. So i felt when he asked me to come in that i should come in to help the administration stabilize and make sure this thing was handled properly, which i did. But now after the election, he became the author of a big lie much to the detriment of the country. Neil so general, when you look at where things stand now with the four criminal cases, the 91 charges, the odds of none of them sticking are daunting. Put it mildly. Its happened. But these are thats a staggering number. If he is convicted of a crime, the constitution says he can still serve as president of the United States. Theres a lot of even republicans polled, half of whom feel that that would be a game changer. A conviction would be a reason that he not be president. What do you think . I think thats true. I think over time as people focus on the decision, they will see that hes the sort of the one person that could lose to biden. Neil right now hes the one person that is the most competitive, so far, of all the candidates against joe biden. In other words, joe biden still wins, but with donald trump, its closer than in some of the cases. Its weird. Not in all cases. I think somewhat early a lot of these candidates are not as well known as donald trump. I think when push comes to shove, it will be clear that there are other candidates that can win decisively. But i think the chances are that he will be convicted on some counts. Neil you see him doing jail time . I dont think that translation to jail time. Neil why . If i was Attorney General and we were prosecuting on the Documents Case, which is a righteous case, i wouldnt want to see a former president in jail. I think a very substantial penalty would serve the public interest, but putting him in jail has collateral impacts on the country. Thats probably where would end up. This gets into an unprecedented weedy dark area. The Secret Service is there to protect him for the rest of his life. What would the Secret Service do in the event that he was in jail . Well, you know, theres ways of having custody without having him in facility, in federal facilities. You can have Home Detention and other things. Neil would some people be angry at that . That hes getting treatment to your point, because hes a former president because hes a former president. There will be people angry on both sides. There will be people that dont want a hair on his head touched. Theres people that no degree of the punishment is enough for them. We cant run the Criminal Justice process and a fair system if we heed those extremes. Neil lets ask about that period to january 6 because ive nod had the pleasure to talk to you on this subject. There was a change for many, Chris Christie among them, his behavior on january 6th is what changed everything. Did you have any hint leading up to that, even prior to the election, that he would respond potentially that way . I didnt expect january 6th. I was surprised by that incident. I was even more surprised and repelled by his conduct during that day, the threehour period were people were pleading with him to please call on the people to leave the capitol and he sat there. Apparently relishing the spectacle. Neil what do the Republican Voters that dont seem to have any problem . I think theres a lot of Republican Voters that have a problem and when theyre actually confronted with theyre grateful for trump as they should be for a lot of the good things that he did. But i think when push comes to shove and theyre thinking about how to make America Great again, anger and will give way to reason and they will see the way neil its not happening yet. Yeah. The focus neil lets assume youre wrong. That it wont change. That sentiment will build and around the time even potentially one of these goes to trial in march or whatever, april, by that time he could have acquired enough delegates to be the republican nominee . Then what . Neil if hes the nominee, then the Republican Party will have to live with that. Its a tragedy. I think from a republican standpoint, the writing is on the wall. Vast majority of americans want to send the aggressive radical progressives to the dust bin of history. You look at our races in states like florida, georgia, virginia, on and on and on, conservative Republican Leaders are winning by decisive majorities. The only place that is not happening on the national level. That is because trump is toxic to too many voters to put together the coalition necessary to win a decisive victory. Would bill bar support him . I said i would jump off that bridge when i get to it. Neil he would with the republican standard bearer. The way you feel now, would you . You know, i have to wait and see the evidence that comes out about his conduct and so forth. Right now most of it is allegations. You know, id have to wait and see what the situation is. Ive already explained that if i thought that one of two people is going to end up as the president , then i wouldnt throw my vote away. I would try to make a decision who would do the least damage to the country. If there were other options, i would consider those. Neil would you just not vote . No. One of two people is going to do it, i would make that bitter choice. Neil its conceivable bill barr could vote for donald trump . As i said, id jump off that bridge when i get to it. Neil let me step back, Attorney General and get your sense of this race, the Republican Party, what theyre going through and threading the legal needle on how far they can support him and will support him because many are deemed to be afraid of him. The candidates a couple speak out, Chris Christie, congressman hurd, what have you. Very few. Theres great peril in doing that. Do you think if the former president is convicted of anything, across any of these cases, that changes and they might feel more emboldened to take him on or to question him . I think youd see more people peel away. I dont think theyre afraid of him. Theyre afraid of losing his supporters. Theres a hardcore voters, probably id say, 30 of the Republican Party, that will be very hard to persuade not to support trump. I think neil is it that recognizable to you . We talked beforehand. You served as our 77th Attorney General under george h. Bush and our 85th under donald trump. It was a very Different Party then than now. Im wondering whatever happens to the president , where do you see the Republican Party going . Well, in my ways, its a better party. Reagan started the process of bringing in the middle class and the working class. Were a better party for it. I think the tragedy is that unlike reagan, who understood the frustrations of and the unfairness to the Working Class Americans and had tried to focus in a constructive way and did accomplish a lot, trump whips up their anger and anger is not a policy for neil he always seems angry. Youve worked with him. Was he always angry . Did he get angry a lot . Yeah, yeah. Neil lets switch gears and talk about hunter biden. Sure. Neil you said the probe is legitimate. His actions referring to hunter biden, can be shameful without being legal. What did you mean by that . Without being illegal. First, i think theres a lot of red flags first, the tax and the gun issue, put that aside. The government was ready to charge him. There is a legality there. The question is how thoroughly weve looked at the issue of his Financial Transactions and extent to which joe biden was involved and benefitted from them. Theres a lot of red flags a lot of red flags. And you know neil if you were Attorney General, would you have already ap