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This is insane. The defendant cant be granted even a few words . The third indictment of donald trump is the one much in the media has been eagerly awaiting because they feel it vindicates their reporting on the 2020 election and that doesnt mean trump will be found guilty not at all but there is a sense that democracy is at stake, that we finally gotten to the heart of the matter. Did the former president break the law and constantly charging the last election was stolen. The crux of the case is not whether trump caused january 6. That be impossible to prove but whether he knowingly lied about the rigged election. The indictment says, donald trump spread lies, the claims were false and the defendant knew they were false but his team says otherwise, and that trump believes what hes been saying. Even though members of his inner circle say they told him he lost and here is what trump said after pleading not guilty. This is a persecution of a political opponent. This was never supposed to happen in america. This is the persecution of the person thats leading by very very substantial numbers, in the republican primary and leading biden by a lot, so if you cant beat him, you persecute him or you prosecute him. Howie my friends at the other channels, you could have spent the next 24 hours challenging what he just said. Actually neck and neck with joe biden. Trump, of course is the front runner for the gop nomination and much as the media dont like the idea, could well win back the white house. Howard kurtz and this is mediabuzz. Ahead well look at the testimony of Hunter Bidens ex Business Partner, Behind Closed Doors, about the help he got from hunters father. The pundits hit the airwaves with strikingly different takes on the latest trump indictment. The attack on our nations capitol on january 6, 2021 was an unprecedented assault on a seat of american democracy. Its described in the indictment , it was fueled by lies. And this is the first time that the First Amendment has been criminalized. Its the first time that a sitting president is attacking a political opponent on First Amendment grounds and basically making a criminal to state your position. He was pushing it as far as he could and maybe he pushed it a little too far, but should he die in prison for that . I dont think the Biden Administration realizes what its done here. Somebody finally stood up to him today and said you know what you need fifth grade class knows that you cant cheat and lie and bully and use violence to get your way. Ultimately it comes down to he knew that he had lost because he was told by a bunch of people , youve lost, mr. President , but he kept repeating the lie. These people that have all, all testified against donald trump, these people that stood up to his lies, to his attempt to overturn democracy, they were doing it not just against his interest. They were doing it against their own best interest. If the new standard is going to be any time a elected official lies about something, by the judgment of a prosecutor, and takes action on that, are they guilty of a conspiracy . Howie joining us now to analyze the coverage robbie suav e, Senior Editor at Reason Magazine and laura fink , robbie put aside the deflections and the rhetoric for just a moment. Is this a strong indictment of donald trump when it comes to his alleged efforts to overturn the election . I think its somewhere in the middle ground. Obviously, its spelling out a lot of bad conduct on his part, but it is going to come down to this fundamental question and i wouldnt want to be in the position of the prosecutor having to prove that donald trump actually didnt think he won the election. Ive heard everything hes had to say for years. He still says he won that election. Howie yes he does. That has to do with the efforts he took. Were not painting over the things he did that were bad but when you read that indictment its a lot of he said , he tweeted. Its wordbased and i dont think its wrong to be concerned about criminalizing political expression that was bad, that he could have been punished for by voters for and next time could be too. They impeached him over it but is it a criminal conspiracy . I think its going to be a little bit harder to prove than they say so. Howie i certainly agree on harder to prove. Laura, the media are loving this indictment because it matches what they have been reporting the last two and a half years but having a hard time understanding how, in light of these and other charges, donald trump is running neck and neck with joe biden. Well, thats clearly because the information has yet to sink in. The indictment was released howie yet to sink in . Weve been covering it 25 hours a day. Well, and also, i would say that conservative media has acted as a Rapid Response team for trump, advancing his arguments, demonizing the Justice Department and i think Jesse Watters called them political war crimes and atrocity so you see that there is this dual here having an impact but any time you look at the polls you have to wait for that information not to sink in not just for donald trump but for anyone. This truly is really about the characterization and i would say to my colleague that this is also about actions. This isnt just about words but i think successfully, donald trump has framed it in the media even the New York Times calling it a clash of lies versus free speech, but ultimately, this , the actions will be measured. His calls to electors. His huddling and conference rooms, his pressure on elected officials and ultimately that fate full conversation with mike pence in pressuring him to obstruct what was going on at the capitol, the basic certification of the election. You have your day in court. You do not get to overturn an election by force. Howie boy whats interesting, robbie, on this question of words versus action, is that john lauro, on all five sunday shows today, trumps Attorney Says oh, he didnt direct mike pence to try to stop the election. I mean, he said you could be a hero, instead youre a coward. I dont know. It sounded pretty close to a Pressure Campaign to me. Well, this is something eventually a jury will have to decide. I mean, with respect to what we just heard, i mean it is calls to people, huddling in rooms. That is speech. Now obviously you dont have the right, you can commit a crime and theres a Speech Component and still a crime. Im not naive about that. But is the pressure on State Officials finding votes that are out there that my advisors have given bad advice and im wrong but i think those votes are out there then that doesnt look like howie what about the people in his inner circle and there are a number who have said publicly he lost the election . Sure a lot of people didnt, hes hearing a lot of things but he clearly chose to believe the ones who told him he had actually won and you can fault him for that but can you put him in prison for it . Howie thats a question as you say for a trial and well see when the trial takes place. Laura, in a truth social post trump said he compared his situation to that of nazi germany and also, theres this post thats gotten a lot of attention lets put it up. If you go after me, im coming after you. And that is has prompted the office to require not to require, excuse me, to request from the judge protective order. Trump asked for more time. His order is, i should say his response is due tomorrow so what do you make about these various typical trump outbursts but maybe this time there are consequences . Well i think for the first time hes being treated like a criminal defendant which he currently is, and you can not have, i think that the judge will constantly have to balance his Free Speech Rights in terms of being a political candidate, but also, the right of these witnesses to not feel pressured. The right of a trial to proceed effectively and according to the rule of law, and so the judge will no doubt be weighing in on this but i think his ability to use the bully pulpit to pressure witnesses, to leak details of the case, all of this normal defendant be restrained from doing, well see if there are two standards in this instance, but this is a tough case to try for any judge. Howie yeah, no question about it and one more from trump. But soon in 2024 it will be our turn, maga, so a lot of people thinks hes forecasting revenge but thats a long way off. Robbie is the coverage of this indictment overall fair . Msnbc, and i might have missed one or two, seems like every host, every pundit, everybody whose ever tried a case, was hailing this indictment and bash Ing Trump And Plus will be before a d. C. Jury which isnt going to be fair oracle to him. Theres a lot of bias in the Mainstream Media not just in terms of the political santa fe but the bias in favor of prosecutors in general. Cnn, everybody they bring on is a gman, somebody who brought cases or investigated so of course they are always going to say howie they must want x defense attorney. Where are they . Put them on and that skews the coverage because the American People deserve to know hes going to have a defense. He is entitled to a defense. Theres still due process and just because there are tons of people who hate him on tv and cnn and msnbc, saying this case is airtight you arent hearing The Other Side yet. Howie i think thats true. Laura is the concept to balance itself outdated because is the media going to cover this particular one. I know there are other ones that may be an indictment in the next couple weeks from the atlanta da , but its virtual ly around the clock eating up virtually all the oxygen and if people are getting an antitrump view and i nowhere you stand politically. Sounds like it makes it harder to get a fair trial. Well, it no doubt. The polarization both of impacts the institutions and the course of justice in this country, but i think what you see in the face of all of this , jack smith is trying to run a straight up and down case, and in terms of the media, you know, i saw as i was watching msnbc and cnn, a lot of talk about the logistics, a lot of talk about the legal theories, a lot of talk about the actual indictments, what they meant and what would take to prove them false or true. You know, in the right, i really saw more defense of trump, less information about what was in the context and the content of the document and more about trumps defenses. So obviously, thats predictable but i thought it would start especially on the day that the indictment was released. Usually that comes a little bit after. The conservative media was ready with their arguments and to carry water on this one and it was hard if youre a viewer to even understand the case that jack smith was making because it was dismissed before it was even relayed. Howie well i would just say it depends on the show, the channel , not everybody has the same Point Of View and we were all waiting and people were reading this thing on the air to see what jack smith had or what he chose to put in the indictment. Just briefly, see if i can get you both in here. John lauro surprised evidence by saying yes there should be cameras in the courtroom. Its extraordinarily unlikely but given the oj experience wouldnt that turn it into something of a circus . Yes, but this is going to be a circus anyway. Donald trump is running for president again and they might be, they are trying to put him in prison at the same time, and whether trump is president again, just everyone has to understand is ultimately a political question the voters will decide on. No judge or no jury picks that. Its the voters. Howie laura got 20 seconds. I would say this. Trump decided to appear in court in person instead of going by zoom because he wanted the media attention, the focus, the car chase. He sees this as his ticket to victory in the public eye, and so we will see , he will control as john lauro, says he wants cameras in the courtroom it may not happen but i can see why he wants it to be on full display to make his case. I agree completely. Howie fairly rarely happens in federal cases. When we come back where does this third indictment leave trumps gop rivals, and later what did we learn from Hunter Bidens former Business Partner . The americas best Celebrity Sale is happening now. 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Yeah, i think so, but then its the question is why are they bothering to run against him. Like lets Set Aside Pence and people who are going after donald trump but the rest of them if they are saying that hes correct, about the weaponization of the federal government i think they raise good points and desantis makes good points about the fbi and pressure on Americans Speeches And Rights Et Cetera but then why are you running against him . Hes at the center of this weaponization issue. If you believe that shouldnt donald trump be the guy . Howie interesting, well, laura , trump said i feel badly for mike pence attracting no droughts, enthusiasm or loyalty who as a member of the Trump Administration should be loving him. Im sure he feels really badly but i think this is the best press that mike pence has had in his whole campaign. What do you think . Well hes having a moment and he is caught, because he cannot deny his testimony. He had go and swear To Tell The Truth and he did so and that will all be coming out in the months ahead so he cannot in sort of good political conscience not criticize trump right now but we understand its a bold move. None of his colleagues are and the deep irony is they are all waiting for these indictments to lower trumps numbers for them to be too much baggage so that they can make the argument that hes unelectable so they need this to succeed all while condemning the Justice Department for bringing these charges. It is wild to me to watch the tap dance and the twostep because they need this indictment to succeed for their campaigns to do so. Howie mike pence is in a box because the people who love trump dont like what he did and the media loves what he did because they think he stood up for the constitution, but we dont get the vote in large numbers in republican primaries. Robbie, trump now says hes got an open mind about coming to the first debate on august 23, the fox debate, after dinner with two top Fox Executives but then he turns around and tells brightbard, that it be foolish or even stupid to show up, so whats with this game of teasing im not sure why hes a little bit skiddish about doing this debate. It seems like it be a good idea. He could be right that he doesnt immediate to do it because he has the nomination anyway but hes shined at all these previous debates. The camera is just laser focused on him, because hes the entertaining personality, what everybody wants to watch. More attention has always benefited trump. Howie but with that spotlight, will reflect also on the other candidates and he will be giving a platform. We forget their names when standing next to him. Its just trump. Its just trump. Howie im not sure i totally agree with that but you could make the case. Laura . If hes on that stage, somebody like chris cristi whose a very good debater, could just pummel him over this indictment. On the other hand as robbie points out trump is a particularly good counterpunch er, as i remember from 2015, 2016, and 2020. Would his absence make it look like hes kind of hiding out . I think his absence lowers the profile of all of his opponents and makes them look small. Strategically, its very smart for him to avoid the debate, although i have to say i would love to see the gop fireworks as i think we all would, but i think that no matter how good he is, hes one of six voices on the stage, and you know, hes a great counterpuncher which makes it be a great spectacle to watch but ultimately hes tens of points ahead of his nearest rival and he has no need to do this. He is the expresident and they are simply sprinting behind him trying to catch up. Howie it is true, robbie, that he has no need to do this , certainly dont see President Biden debating but you seem to feel like in the end, or you seem to be suggesting, implying, hes not going to be able to resist the lure of the cameras. Hes a tv personality. Howie i forgot that. Thats what brought him to the attention of so Many Americans in the first place. Thats why so many people initially said this should be the guy to fix americas problems. Hes particularly good at using the medium of tv and hes talent ed at it and he should continue to use it to his benefit. Maybe he has other opportunities then to debate to speak to the American People directly. Doesnt want to bother Sharing Stage but i dont think chris cristi or anyone else will remotely dent him in any way that matters in any debate, period, end of story. Howie id at least like to see it and then we have clips we could play because thats what we do on television. Thanks very much for coming by this sunday. 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Good luck with that, youre going to lose. He calls youtube a state actor, censoring him, who can set whatever standards they want whether we like it or not and i often dont, since hes running for president , kennedy throws in a political point saying hes being silenced under the leadership of joe biden while presenting absolutely no proof of that. This rfk video is Still Available on twitter. Kennedy has a long history of spreading misinformation leading to clashes with the tech titans, he said vaccines cause autism and said covid spares jews and chinese people. Last year facebook and instagram suspended an antivax group he founded also citing misinformation. Instead of suppressing such content remember some early views on covid turned out to be true or at least plausible . Why not flag such material with a warning and links to reputable sites thats a farbetter free speech approach. Liberal host bill maher with guest Sharon Osborne saying shes moving back to london because of the Homeless Problem here, took on joe biden, who he had supported. Maher said the president was not competent and then on his random podcast opened up on democratic mayors in nonborder states. Dont pretend that you love migrants so much and then when we send them to you you dont like them. You know . We can see that. Yeah, you like them when it wasnt your problem because youre not a border state. [laughter] then when he show up in chicago and new york youre like what are we going to do with these people . Howie its not unusual for ma her to call out his own side whether he has a drink in his side or not. Jeffly goldberg, the atlantic editor in chief, a supersmart reporter and editor, reflects his leftleaning magazine by tv standards probably a good fit for the program. I thought this was a really juicy item. Ron desantis agreeing to debate California Governor Gavin Newsom on hannity. Newsom is dying to run for president , trying to boost his national profile, except the nomination is currently owned by a guy named biden. Desantis would love the exposure as he tries to break out of the gop pack but when i got a little deflated when newsom selected two dates in november, so right now, theres just a punch of smack talk. Joy behar probably the biggest trump hater on the view has her chance with these indictments to envision him behind bars. Instead she came up with the idea of trump cutting a deal and leaving the country. I dont even care if he goes to jail. I dont have it in my heart to punish the guy. I just want him to go away. Howie and where would the suddenlycompassionate behar go to . Saudi arabia. Next on Media Business Hunter Bidens former Business Partner finally testifies. Does he have the evidence against hunters father . Introducing the limited Edition Disney collection from blendjet. 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Even if hunter puts his Business Partners on Speaker Phone with his dad and they dont Talk Business at all, youre saying the next day when hunter talks to joe and they say they talk everyday, joe doesnt say hey, hunter, um, what are you doing in dubai. What the committees have not yet produced is any indication that joe biden in any way was involved in his business activities. I mean, even the kind of the star witness said that he provided the illusion of access. Howie joining us from jacksonville florida, susan pere sia, Chief Political reporter for the Washington Times and Michael Larosa former spokesperson for jill biden. Susan ive read this lengthy transcript and devin archer confirms that joe joined about 20 calls that included hunter with either Business Associates or potential investors, but only spoke in vague generalities that is still significant, but not exactly a bombshell, is it . Well, define bombshell. You know . He was calling into these Business Meetings and not saying anything directly about the business, but just conveniently calling in, well, hunter biden was talking to these Business Associates. He also, we know of at least three visits to these Business Associates two at cafe milano and another at a hotel in d. C. Where joe biden popped in on these meetings so if you listen to what the president has said over and over about this , he had nothing to do with these meetings. He knew nothing about them. He didnt know any of the player s. He didnt get any of the money. Now we have Devin Arch Erin this deposition actually putting the thenVice President in the room either via speakerphone or in person with these Business Associates so its totally countering what the president has said and he hasnt responded this contradiction yet so i think its a really important point and really going to be difficult for the president to now keep making the argument that he was completely separated he wasnt and we know that now. Howie right. Michael, the white house has to change its language slightly but hunter wrote back in 2011 his relationship with a certain chinese businessman has nothing to do with me and everything to do with my last name so he knew what was going on and whether joe was saying how is the weather or how is the fishing it helped build what archer called the brand. But what archer also said was that the Vice President at the time had never come to cafe milano to discuss business. There was nothing material ever conducted in the i guess 20 phone calls over 10 years of the relationship that he said. He also acknowledged there was no wrongdoing, that he had never heard or seen hunter and the president Talk About Burisma so i still think that the republicans are on this hot pursuit for a problem in search of the solution they have. Howie well, by the way, they went golfing together if we could put that picture up and susan response from the white house, spokesman saying, there he is, republicans much hype witness testified he never heard of President Biden discussing business with his son or sons associates or doing anything wrong, but i agree with you that he doesnt have to discuss business, because its a pretty big deal for some company overseas to know that the Vice President of the United States can begotten any time even if its discussed generalities. You have to couple that, howie, with the fact that the irs whistleblower that testified before Congress Said that the irs tracked the bidens getting 17. 3 million from these foreign deals, and 17. 3 million think about that and we know theres probably more because House Investigators believe there could be up to 30 million or maybe even more that the bidens gotten these foreign deals with dad calling in and showing up and the Brand Selling Hunter Bidens value to these companies, and then we have actions that the president took at the time. The idea is he was a Vice President , by the way and did he take these actions in relation to these foreign deals, his son was carrying out, going to ukraine and working to push out victor shokin, the prosecutor general at the time who we know was going after the ceo of burisma at the time. You can easily connect the dots. This is not difficult. You connect the money and the action and it just reeks of something that needs to be looked at further. Howie i want to clarify with you, michael. Yeah, we have to respond to a couple of those things. Howie let me ask the question and you can respond however you want. Archer said he knew of no 5 million payment going to the bidens. Secondly though, what was the point you were going to make first of all this investigation has been going on from the doj five years thats longer than lightwater and monica nearly longer than iran contra. If the trumpappointed u. S. Attorney didnt find anything i dont Think Jim Comer will find anything there. Howie would you concede that hunter biden with his history of drug abuse has been an embarrassment to the family . Thats a personal, that is completely howie its not personal. It is. Well, thats a great point, because you know what . And you wrote about this in the Washington Post many years ago. Speaking of president s son, i dont know where the Public Interest or the public stake is with hunters legal troubles and now with neil bush when he was the son of a sitting Vice President and president in 1990 he cost the taxpayers 1. 3 billion that they never got back. Taxpayer had an interest in that son. I dont know what the interest in hunter biden is. No different than the kennedys or the bushes when it comes to his last name. Howie i want to ask you another question because you come from biden world and these comments by the nowpresident. I have seven grandkids, four of them, five of them old enough to talk on the phone, you know . Everyday, i either text them or call them. Howie until recently, the president didnt acknowledge that Seventh Grandchild as hunters fouryearold daughter but after getting beat up by liberal pundits he has. Look, we are all agreeing families are complex however i do disagree a little bit with the strategy around how they did that. It does look like his hand was forced by the press, it violates a lot of rules of crisis management, tell it all, tell it early, and you know what . Tell it yourself and i dont feel like the statement that they dumped out on a friday night really reflected the warm th and humanity and heart of the biden family and it didnt satisfy the press because were still talking about it a week later. Howie right. Susan, ive only got a few seconds in this block, but there was a time when devin archer got indicted in a 60 million fraud scheme. He writes to hunter that hes depressed and like why did your dads appointees although this is in the Trump Administration, arrest me and try to put me in jail and ruin my family and hunter writes back saying every president s family is held to a higher standard. Its why we get to do what we do ironically hunter biden was really not held to a higher standard in that Sweetheart Plea Deal he was offered that fell apart in court last month. Thats the irony of that email exchange where you see Devin Archer Feeling Jolted and hunter biden giving him the lecture and now we learn he was spared jail time and future prosecution. He was held to a higher standard for being investigated in the first place. Howie i dont want to re litigate that because i have to get a break. I dont agree with that anyway. Howie barack obama warns joe biden about donald trump. How did that story get leaked . That and more, next. The chase ink business premier card is made for sam who makes, everyday products, designed smarter. Genius like 2. 5 cash back on purchases of 5,000 or more, so sam can make smart ideas, a brilliant reality chase for business. Make more of whats yours. Pain hits fast. So get relief fast. Only Tylenol Rapid release gels have laserdrilled holes. They release medicine fast. For fast pain relief. And now. Get relief without a pill. With tylenol dissolve packs. Relief without the water. 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Sleep better, live purple. Visit purple. Com or a Mattress Store near you. Howie barack obama in a private lunch with President Biden this summer expressed concern about Donald Trumps political strengths, that according to the Washington Post , the expresident telling his former vp, do everything he could to get him reelected but his advice also focused on trump s iron grip on the gop, according to two sources cited by the paper, white house spokesman saying no stronger supporter of the Bidenharris Administration than obama. Michael, why would a couple of democrats leak that and emphasize the trump part, got into the headlines, certainly seems to underline biden just a bit. I dont know but im glad they did and i also think it helps with putting some fears from democratic donors who arent getting off the bench. They want to know that the campaign is ready and that this is going to be a close race no matter who the nominee is but particularly trump has extraordinary gifts as a political athlete and his ability to be americas Assignment Editor and have a lot of free media. I dont know if ive ever seen the guy walk past a microphone or a reporter and not talk to the press. He knows how to use the press to his advantage, and i wish the white house would start using the press more. Howie well get back to that. More as an opportunity. Howie theres a few politicians i could name in washington, susan, who dont walk past any microphone. What these two unnamed sources said was true. Donald trump has an iron grip on the Republican Party and all that, but to me, it doesnt help that its made public as opposed to private, because it looks like the former president is tutoring the former Vice President. Clearly, and he has every reason to do it because if you look at the polls, there is reason to be concerned about joe biden. People are worried about his age people are worried about the direction of the country, the economy, his general stewardship of the office. Look whats going on at the southern border. There is so many reasons that he is a weak candidate. Now of course trump has as many flaws we know this and that the lineup, if it is a trump biden General Election matchup, there are many reasons why trump stands a good chance of losing again in those exact same swing states that hurt him in 2020, but biden is not the strongest candidate. Its just so obvious, so they have obama come in and tell him, you know, youve got to be ready for this. Howie up your game. It could be tougher than you think. You know . Thats a big obvious conversation i think. Howie yeah, nobody could compete with donald trump for airtime and general coverage this week or any other indictment week. He just absolutely floods the zone but in general, im always just so taken by the fact that the current president of the United States operates in such a low key manner. We dont hear from him on weekends. He often has statements put out where he could go in front of the cameras. Whats up with that . I do think its a problem. I think they live in a Bunker Mentality often and treat the press as a threat, as a hazard and not as an opportunity and President Trump used it, uses it the opposite way, and thats beneficial to him but it also has hurt him in the past too. The last three election cycles, independents have fled from republicans because they just simply do not want that guy at the top of the ticket. Howie right, but doesnt it hurt biden not to be seen as much, is the press really a threat . I think joe biden is his best advocate and is always at his best when hes sort of un scripted, uncoached, un rehearsed and is the authentic human being that many people think he is. Howie you know, susan, many Media Analysts said trump be the easiest opponent for biden to beat but thats starting to change, given even given all trumps legal baggage, the question now is about obviously the president s age and his vitality but also, you know, given that what hes done we can debate what hes done some other time. Hes got these abysmal poll numbers, 39 Approval Rating . And trump also, again, an energetic opponent. He can draw very sharp contrast between President Biden, asco say ron desantis, anyone could be a formidable opponent against President Biden and i kind of disagree with the idea that more of joe biden be beneficial. I think hes just full of gaffs. He wanders off the stage and he looks feeble, frankly and he does not send the message to voters that this guy is ready for four more years whereas, you know, if trump is on the stage you get the opposite impression even though hes 77 years old. Its just a real sharp contrast, has to do with age, energy level , you know, just mental acuity. These are things voters feel visceral when they see him and think about him. Thats the heart of the problem right now is biden versus literally any gop candidate but certainly trump who sucks the oxygen out of the room from all the other candidates right now. Howie let me give michael a response. I agree he needs to be able to show energy and compete visually but where he is strikingly different than the last president is hes accomplished more than any other president in his first term than any president has done in eight years. You may disagree with that but hes been one of the most effective president s weve had since lyndon johnson, in terms of getting things done and if it takes an 80yearold to do that ill take that any day of the week. Howie i think hes very knowledgeable after a half century in politics but at the same time could come across as more vigorous and do more one on one interviews, thanks for joining us. Still to come who are Donald Trumps coconspirators and why arent they being named . Let Innovation Refunds help with your erc tax refund so you can improve your business however you see fit. Rosie used part of her refund to build an outdoor patio. Clink dr. Marshall used part of his refund to give his practice a facelift. Emily used part of her refund to buy. I run a wax museum. Let Innovation Refunds help you get started on your erc tax refund. Stop waiting. Go to innovationrefunds. Com you really got the brows. Howie the media were quickly drawn to one of the mysteries of the donald trump indictment. Who are the six unindicted Co Conspirators who were not named and it wasnt that hard to crack the code. Cnn identified five of the six coconspirators at the special Counsel Office as the former president listed to assist him in his criminal efforts to overturn the legitimate results of the 2020 president ial election. The one person we havent been able to figure out is coconspirators number six. Howie based on Media Reports and my own analysis i believe they are Rudy Giuliani, former trump lawyer john eastman, sidney powell, doj official jeffrey clark, trump legal supporter ken chesboro, and number six, unknown. Spoke earlier with Griff Jenkins the fox News Reporter and anchor. Griff jenkins, welcome. What a week its been and i call a prominent person being accused by another network as being number six. This person had no idea the name was being kicked around so what are prosecutors doing . So they are listed as a Co Conspirator in the indictment itself but not named and thats because they havent gotten a Target Letter like trump did and so they havent been notified and theyre protected because their identity would not be out there unless they end up being charged then that changes. I had a moment this week to talk directly to john lauro, former President Trumps attorney, lead attorney, in this case, and i said hey, can you tell me whose coconspirator number six and he said i dont know. Howie all these defendants could be charged later. Jack smith wants a speedy trial. Doesnt want to deal with certain different Defense Attorneys but since the Special Counsel is already saying they are part of the conspiracy do you see or hear any pressure on all or some of these people to make a deal, to get a more lenient sentence . Griff an enormous amount of pressure. Im not a lawyer but covered a lot of cases. Its very routine that the prosecution doesnt same the coconspirator in hopes they know who they are and then they contact them and say how, do you want to testify and then become part of it. Thats standard thing that we see a lot, so it is very likely that some of these coconspirators that we believe we know who they are, may be given an opportunity to cooperate in the prosecution of trump and then theres people that are not on the list of the coconspirators we think we know who might also be cooperating, so a lot of things in play here. Howie according to the indictment, on the morning of january 6, coconspirator joined coconspirator two and told the crowd that mike pence said no, no, no, should block the electoral results. Do you know who those two are . Griff i think i do, howie. This is a very significant part of the indictment. When i read it, it took me back to the morning of january 6 i was the reporter for fox news starting before the sun came out , out there covering what be President Trumps speech and there were several people that spoke that morning, and it was the moment that Rudy Giuliani and john eastman, another lawyer , advising trump on the Election Strategy of whatever he was trying to do, they were standing up there on the stage and they were talking about the pressure theyre going to bring on mike pence, me and my other fellow reporter said wow this is the first time weve seen this real pressure on pence it stands out and thats why while theyre not named i think they could possibly be coconspirator one and two. Howie pence obviously stood up to the pressure and the next person to speak was donald trump and you happened to be right there. Griff jenkins thanks so much for joining us. Griff thanks, howie. Howie i love griff was there doing his job at 6 00 in the morning. Im howard kurtz. 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