Thfauci arrested in july. In july, a fox news alert. Bidens Justice Department has just brought criminal charges against donald trump. His political opponent, for crii the third time in four months. This timenas agains, the chas relate to january 6th. Thisg. Evenin today, an indictment was unsealed charging donald j. Donl trump with conspirind g to defraud the United States, conspiring to Disenfranchize Voters and conspiring and attempting to obstruct anpig official proceedin ag. Issue the indictment was issued by a grand jury of citizens here in the distric a grandt of colu, and it sets forth the crimes charged in detail. That was special counsel jack smith, who looked like a bedraggled, nervous wreck dripping with anger and highly emotional. Dist the last time jack smith charged a politician, the case was so weak itand sets got toss of the Supreme Court unanimously. Biden is Justice Department is using obscure federal statutestician, to put a formet president in prison for the rest of his life is. Prese these charges arent bribery, not assault, not taxthe rest ev not sex trafficking. Theyre charging Trump Underrgio the act of 1866. Trs used against the ,against and now theyre using it against trump. And here are the specific charg. Count one Conspiracy To Defraud the United States. Count two, conspiracy ls. Obstruct an officia proceeding. Count three, Conspiracy Orn attempt to obstruct an official proceeding and count four conspiracy against writes. Okay. Now, heres how theyre saying trump broke the law. Theyre saying trump lied thattn the election was fraudulent when he really knew the election was clean and that these lies made it hard for the government to certify the election. Now, first, they Saidthese Trump called a Bunch Of State , gislators in georgia arizona, pennsylvania, michigan and wisconsin and tried to get them to investigate electionnnsy fraud. Hold hearings. Okaylvania, michnd. Then the government says trump tried to get some states to send in trump Electorset Som instead of biden electors, and onlyo send i a tiny handfuli states did that. They mailed in some trump electors to the archivist and to the senate, and then the senate threw them in the garbage and ratified the biden electors. Gae, and rthat was it. Then theyre saying trump broke the law when he asked pence to do the right thing to not certify asked mpenk it back to the states. That was a different legal interpretation than many people had at the time, but it was a difference of opinion and it didnt matter because pence didnt do it. Then ma and then theyre saying the january six protesters, because of trumps liead at th. S, slowednt down the certification for then. Le hours thats it. Those are thrte chargeificats. Now, i know this doesnt count in a court of law, but does not you think trump had any idea c of law. That he was breaking w when he was asking mike pence not to Certifyng Mike . And how and how are you going to proveth that trump knew therat true wase any Election Fraud . And how are you goingd . To prove that these were corrupt intentions . If trump thought he was doing the righteous thing . You cant. It was just politics. Its all politics. Prov he was pushing it as far as heie could. And maybntions of e push it a little too far. But she did diehe w in prisod for that. I dont think the Biden Administration realize . S what its done here. Its going to give donald trump the opportunityden to relitigate the 2020 election in federal court. Ministra this is what donald a been dying to do for the last two and a half years. Hes going to have subpoena power. And hals. Hes going to crossee witnesses. Hes going to put on his own witnesse subps. Hes going to go out and prove or try to prove there wasnd Election Fraud in philly, vegas. ,arizona, detroit and the federal government is goings cla to have to prove that it was clean in those deep blue countien s. To thats going to be a fun one to follow. So trumps due in Court On Thursday for the january six charges. Trump ise youre keeping cas score at home, donald trump will be one yoscore tria different courtrooms next year, an Election Year while hes running for president , while hes fundraising, and while hes debated. So hell be in Court On BookkeepingCharges Manha with Stormy Daniels in manhattan in march. Hell be in a florida Courtroom Beginning In May on the maralago documents case, and hel oom begiay l be in a d. C. Troom on courtroom on the january six charges, probably in the spring as well. He needs a body double. And this is a d. C. Jury in a case overseen by an obamaca appointed judge who has got a nasty track record. Oh, and theres another Georgia Election related grand jury. Ther geo considering Charging Trump so he can have four trials next year. Be loo and we also may be looking akitn a President Biden impeachment trial next year as well. , legally speaking, trumps going to have to pay lawyers legat of money. And if hes convicted, he will not go to prison. Hell be freed on appeal and hell be able to appeal these federal charges all the way to the Supreme Court, whichr will take a while, probably until after the electioncharges and theres no way the Supreme Court of the United Elecds Goinoing to uphol the conviction of a former president. Close to 80 years old, thatg s not how the court operates, especially on somethinold. Glitica as political as this. The timing of Thisl Indictment was coordinatedated to take the heat off biden. Joe this is the third time this has happened already on march 17th. D Hunter Admittey . D the laptop was d his. And on the very next day, trump received word alvin bragg was indicting him in new york. On june 8th, an fbi documenting broke that ukraine paid biden ap 5 million bribe. And the next dayote next d, on , bidens doj Indicted Trump on the maralago documents. Yesterday, july 31st, a Biden Cn Insider told congress that biden spoke with Hunter BidensBusiness Partners dozens of times and hunter was paid his handsomely to get his dad to fire the prosecutorzens of in ukraine. And then today, august 1st, bidens Justice Department indicts trump on january 6, charges. This isnt a coincidence. This bidens in trouble, trump pays for it and the news cycle flips. And th now, donald trump is a runaway favorite to wrap upp the the republican nomination and is currently tied with joe biden in yesterdays New York Times poll in the general. 4343. Astonishingly, after Theseden Political war crimes have been perpetrated on them, donald york times pnhe best positio hes been in so far to windonalt reelection. Can you believe that . Atrump is best which point hee to pardon himself immediately. And dont you think forhave t a second hes not going to unleash on all of his politicaimmediatl enemies . A this is only the beginning of politicians putting other politicianl only the and their s in prison. Sad we had to go down thison. Are, but this is where we are. And now we have to finish it. Turn it over now to jean hamilton, Vice President of america, first legal and former general counselor to the attorney general. Al c youve read this indictment. What do you make of these chargeounss . Jesse, thanks for having me on. E these charges are politically motivated like no charges weve ever seen before in this countr y. Like this indictment reads like it was written by ada m schiff. Himself or by the january 6 committee itself. Its a rehasorgeneroush of a but First Amendment protected activity, describing things did that the president said and did and drawing conclusion, s. In pushing forward with legal claimslusions against legal co, against donald trump saying that he violated a criminal law because he questioned the outcome of an election, because he questioned Different Things that a lot of americans also had questions about. And so were in a situation no a where dissent, where political speech is being l also havcriminally prosecuted at the highest levels against the primaruted, aty political ot of the sitting president of the United States. If that doesnprt shock you, i dont know what will. So how is this Trial Goingin to work . Theyre going to have to have e to trump prove or disprove Election Fraud and the federal governments going to have to say the election was clean. Is this what were going to do . At trial . Well, jesse, one of the elements that the government one has to estabh at trial on each of the counts as knowledge, mr. Show intent and what the government alleges in the Indictmen Is T is that that donald trump knew that all of these things he was saying were completelydo false, that somehow donald trump knew that all of these elections wereew that coy perfect and they were clean, they were the best elections ever, and they even cited all kinds of different reports. They arose after the electionth to say, oh, he clearly had knowledge that Everythine Elec G in this election was great. But the problem is, is that Donaldthing Trump apparently had a lot of questions about the election, like a lot ofdo people did. And so saying that you knew that the results were falsld e is not exactly the same as saying that that you cant Haveesults Wtly the questions. And so whats going to happen at trial is the government is going to have. Oing hap to carry its burden to prove a bunch of these different counts. Prnch of d of theseknowle different counts, including knowledge, including all kinds of other all kindsall of of othr components. And as i think you rightly pointed out, one of the counts hes facing is is a conspiracy charge under the statute that was used to prosecute members of the kkk, the civil war. I meanother co, they are really stretching. They were really stretching defined crim e as to meet what they want to do. They want to rehash all these old things froy thesat the left has always wanted to do. They want to bring donald trump. They want to drag him into jail, and theyre going to go anywhere. They can do anything. They can do to do so. So if theyre saying thatwhe the certification was delayed a couple hours because ofd a the january six protesters, theyre saying thats conspiracy to obstruct an official proceeding, youre delaying an actiocial pr in the senate, In The House Forn a couple hours. Thats a five Year Prison Sentence for delayinseg a proceeding. I mean, any timer delayi he goei a hearing and holds up crazy signs and blowngs whistles and slows things down, thats a five Year Prison Sentence, right . I mean, its the results are absurd. And of course, the other thing is, is that you still have es, Slowear Pristo show the exin actual conspiracy between donald trump and other folksthe who acted in furtherance of that. And i dont think that the government is going to blks able to prove that, regardless of all of the word vomit that they puthe on their indictment. Its not going to be possible. Theyre not going to be able to carry their burden. If they succeed in getting a conviction in the district cour ctment, t, there is a 0 ci that this thing stands on appeal, particularly at the Supreme Court of the United States. Theres already been a lot of questions raised by a very prominent conservative judge on the d. C. Circuitrcent ch about y the counts, the statute t underlying two of the counts that theyre charging donald trump with. People should Pay Attention to what the government is trying to do here. They should pap with. I think pen to the fact this is a politically motivated thn and they should be able to contact their legislatures and their senators and everyone else and ask them to hold the department of justice accountable. All right, jane, thanks sthio much. Lets now bring in our panel. Eleanor harbor, former trump attorneyslatures veryone clay travis, founder of outkick, and lara trump, former trump campaignaccn adviser. Lara, lets begin with you. Your interpretation ofpap what happened today on the heels of what we heard yesterday about hunter and the big guy . Oh, i think your assessment guy. Hing s, jesse was right every day. It seems like following a major story that would be very damaging to the biden family. Obviously, very conveniently and shockingly, there is an indictment Oobviouslr Somethingn the sort leveled against my father in law. But heres the truth about it all, jesse. You know that our entire family acted as surrogates out on the campaign trail. Weve always taken part in the campaigns of my father in law. I was actually, as you just pointed out, a Senior Adviser in 2020 to the trump campaign. And ill tell you whaogates i multiple times a day would continue to receive reportns from across the country of people, sometimes in the form s detailing veryes i questionable, nefarious things. They sawn f affida at different polling locations. So we had a lot of questions about what happened in the 2020 election. Quite frankly, i dont think weve ever had an election in the United States history that weve comons e out of having more questions than we did post 2020. Obviouslited y, one of those people as well was the sitting president of the United States, my father in law, donald trump,m who did exactly what you wouldo want a president to do. He upheld and defendedle as wene the constitution of the United States by trying to ensure that d had a free and fair election. That was his whole goal. Thats what he wanted to ensure was going on. And i think, as your previous guest pointed out, what about his First AmendmentFreedoious Gueat Aboutm of spee . What about what he actuallywhata said on january 6th atbosa the ellipse that he wanted people to Peacefullyid O and patriotically make their voices heard . A what about his tweet later that afternoon . I am asking everyone at the u. S. Capitol to remain peaceful, no violence. Remember, we are the party of law and order. D and you know what, jesse . I think the more and more we see thisand you happen, the moe indictments leveled against my father in lawpen, the, the cr it becomes to the people of this country tha t this isnt just about the democrats attempt to interfere in the 2024 election. That is obvious. Theres much more at stake forea these people and for the deep state and the swamp in this Upcominge Peoplethe De Election its not just about preventing donald trump from becoming president. Becauseits about Preventing Dd Trump from exposing and taking down the machine that is the swamp in washington, d. C. They cannot afford to see that happen. I think every day people are becoming more and more aware that that is the reality of the situation. Alin wtheya. Speak to the point that laraa just made. Of ts say the president , afterl the election, during the controversy, gets sent affidavits about Election Fraud or get sent reports about Election Fraud. And lets just say, i dont know, philly. D he says, you guys in philly, legislators look into this. Se you guys hold a hearine poi can you guys investigate or maybe send in somedont trump electors . And if it shakes out differently, theyre on stanow,h by. Ol how is that a crime . Can yo all. Are o at actually, what goes on here is that legally youre going is that was. At his intent did he actually believe, as lara pointed out, that there was misconduct . And i dont think theres a question that a lot of Americans Still believe that there was misconduct in the 2020 election. So does that mean that if you raise concerns, then you will be criminally indicted. And charged for for constitutionally bringing ouoesa your First Amendment rights . Its absurd. Its absolutely absurd. Is mconduct . Dont thn videos coe that prove that there has beenct Ballot Harvestint if g, things of bri that nature. So this is a really difficult case, franklg thaty, from a legal perspective to bring. And its week as can be. And weve they vesting, saw jack. He was as nervous as anyone ive ever seen. And herspectiv has a good r