and the freight rail, increasing that as , look, we have a bottlenecks across the country. we're doing so much with this legislation. it's going to make it easier for companies to get goods to market more quickly and reduce supply chains, bottlenecks, and now, and now, and for decades to come. you know, and according to economists, this is going ease inflationary pressure, not increase it but ease inflationary pressures by lowering costs for working families. it's going to create jobs replacing led water pipes so every american, every child can drink clean water improving their health and putting plumber s and pipefitters to work how long have we been talking about that? it's a gigantic issue. jobs make it high speed internet affordable and available everywhere in america. you heard me say this before and i apologize for repeating myself but no parent should have to sit in a parking lot of a fast food restaurant so their child could do their homework because they have no internet connection except to go off what's going on , the internet connection from the fast food restaurant. it's going to make significant historic strides to take on the climate crisis. some of you are with me when i was recently in scotland at the cop-26. people keep asking are you going to fund this and really do what you're saying, well this gets a big step along the way doing it. we're going to build-out the first-ever national network of charging stations all across the country, 500,000 of them, so that you can make real auto companies made a commitment we're going to make 50% of vehicles electric by 2030, so you'll be able to go across the whole darn country, from east coast to west coast, just like you stop at gas stations now, these charging stations will be available. we'll get america of the sidelines on manufacturing. manufacturing with solar panels, wind turbines, battery storage, energy and power for electric vehicles, from school buses to automobiles, and we'll reward companies for paying good wages and for getting materials for their products from rice here in america, and america exporting and providing the rest of the world with these technologies who are generated here in the united states as we go green around the world. it also makes historic investments in environmental cleanup and remediation. it builds up our resilience against super storms and drought s and wildfire, hurricane s. you've heard me say it again, i apologize for repeating myself, but $99 billion in losses last year, because of climate crisis. in america. $99 billion it cost the taxpayer s in america. it represents a blinking red code out there for our nation. vice president harris and i look forward to having a formal signing ceremony for this bipartisan infrastructure soon, because i'm not doing it this weekend because i want people who work so hard to get this done, democrats and republicans, to be here when we sign it but we're looking more forward to having shovels in the ground, to begin rebuilding america, and for all of you at home, who feel left behind and forgotten, in an economy that's changing so rapidly, this bill is for you. the vast majority of the thousands of jobs will be created don't require a college degree. there will be jobs in every part of the country, red state, blue states, city, small towns, rural communities, travel communities. this is a blue collar blueprint to rebuild america and it's long overdue. i'm also proud that the house took a big step toward forward to pass my build back better act , which for the week of november 15 they are going to be taking up, went threw the procedural mechanisms to assure that occurs. let me be clear. we will pass this in the house, and we'll pass it in the senate. the build back better act will be a once in a generation investment in our people, getting america back to work, but reducing the cost of child care and elder care and getting millions of women back in the jobs who have to stay home because they cannot afford the child care or the healthcare for their parent s. providing universal pre-k for every three and four-year-old child in america increasing their academic achievement potential significantly, significantly. making healthcare more affordable, lowering prescription drug costs, the tax cuts for working people and the middle class so that folks have just a little, i know you're tired of hearing me say my dad used to always say as a middle class guy, we just need a little breathing room. a little breathing room. it's going to reduce child poverty in this country by 50%, we're already on track to do that with the child tax credit we passed in our last piece of legislation, and this bill is fiscally responsible. that's a fancy way of saying it's fully paid for. it doesn't raise the deficit by a single penny, and it actually reduces the deficit, according to leading economists in this country over the long term, and it's paid for by making sure that the wealthiest americans, the biggest corporations, begin to pay their fair share. again, you've heard me say it 100 times. why should 40-55 corporations made over $40 billion the last couple years why should they pay zero in taxes? i'm not a socialist but the bottom line is everybody should pay their fair share. zero in taxes? come on, and so keep my campaign commitment, it does not raise a single penny for anyone making less than $400,000 a year. say it again. folks, no matter what they tell you, you'll find out, this will not affect your taxes one little bit and having to pay a penny more if you make less than $400,000 a year. independent experts have concluded that these bills are the highest value investments that we can make to grow the economy. it's going to create millions of jobs, increase productivity and wages and reduce cost and generate significant and historic economic growth. again, the press is here, people have to follow me all the time they've heard me say this a lot. you got out of the blue a couple weeks ago a letter from 17 nobel prize winners in economics, and they determined that it will ease inflationary pressures, not create them, ease them. ease those pressures, and for the economy it recognizes that we face an inflection point for most of the 20th century we led the world by a significant margin, because we invested in our people. we invested in ourselves. you've heard me say it a thousand times, jill would say my wife says any country in education is going to out- compete us, we invested in education, we invested in health and things that affect people's opportunity to succeed. we built an interstate highway system, which led to the best roads, bridge, airports and transit systems in the world. these are the arteries of commerce that move goods from coast to coast quickly that's why people decide to build facilities here in the united states. we empowered our companies to out-compete the world, and we created jobs and untold opportunities for our people to travel, to live, and to work, but somewhere along the way, we stopped investing in ourselves. we stopped investing in our people, and we risked losing our edge as a nation. i don't even think it was conscience but this is what's happened and china and the rest of the world are moving to catch -up in some cases in certain areas move ahead. our infrastructure used to be rated the best in the world. today, today, according to the world economic forum, we rank 13th in the world. the united states of america ranks 13th in the world, in infrastructure. come on. we used to lead the world in education achievement. now, the organization for economic cooperation and development, oecd ranks america 35th out of 37 major companies when it comes to investing in early education for childhood education. think about that. those of your parents know, you start kids early, give them the basis, give them the material to be able to go on it's simply unacceptable that we rank 35. we're now turning it around in a big way. any single element in this plan be a fundamental change in america, but taken together, they are truly consequential. again, i have more to say about this soon, but when we have the bill signing i'll be able to thank everyone in the senate and the house for their leadership. i hesitate to start now, i'll leave somebody out, and i want to make sure everyone who was part of this gets credit for it but for now, i want to quickly thank members of the house who worked so hard to get some of this done. speaker pelosi, steny hoyer jim clyburn, progressive leaders , moderate leader, democrats, republicans, they in fact worked together. it's like as i saw someone told me my staff this morning that i'm one of the programs this morning they said well we finally the sausage is made. well, you know, it is a process. you all know it. you're all pros, you cover it. the american people have made clear one overwhelming think i think and i really mean it. all the talk about the elections and what do they mean and everything. they want us to deliver, they want us to deliver democrat they want us to deliver. last night, we proved we can on one big item we delivered. i want to close with this. for much too long, working people and the middle class of this country have been dealt out of the promise of america. that sounds like hyperbole, but i really mean it. some of you may remember when i ran, i was letly, it's appropriate to be criticized i'm not complaining about being criticized but when i said i was running for three reasons. one to restore the soul of america and bring in decency and honor in the way in which we dealt with one another. the second reason was rebuild backbone of the country. the middle class, the wealthy are value-additive countries but they didn't build the country. hard work middle class folks are the ones who built this country. they're the ones who built the backbone of the country, and what i've decided to do was i said we have to begin to build the economy from the bottom-up and the middle-out. well, folks, that hadn't been the case. i'm so tired about trickle down economic theory that i'm trickl ed out. the idea that, and i asked a rhetorical question. when the middle class has done well one of the wealthy, when any time have the wealthy not done extremely well as well? i mean, come on. you've gotta give working folks a real chance, a chance, and so folks there's an awful lot more to say about this , but today, i think, has just been a good day. it's time to deal folks back in. as you've heard me say it again, i make no oops for it. these bills, these bills in fact , are the two bills we're talking about, build back better bill which we're going to be working on now, and this bill, are all designed to give ordinary people a fighting chance, to begin to sort of level the playing field just a little bit. not punish anybody. i've long said it's never ever been a good bet to bet against the american people, never. what that really means is bet on the american people, give them a shot. give them a shot. that's what these plans do. they bet on average americans. they believe in america. they believe in the limitless capacity of the american people. if you look at the history of the journey of this nation, what becomes crystal clear, not a joke, given half the chance, the american people never ever ever ever ever let their country down. what about giving them a full chance this time, and when we do , there's going to be no stopping us. i truly believe the 50 years from now, folks are going to look back and say this was the moment, this was the period, this year and the next couple years, when america decided to win the competition of the 21st century, to get in the game, full bore. so my message to all of the american folks is let's get to work. let's get this done. god bless you all and may god protect the troops and i'll take a few questions. reporter: to what extent did the election results help propel this bill to the finish line and how are you able to bridge the gap between the moderates and progressives? >> well, you know, i'm not being fecitious with the answer i'm about to give you but i'm not going to be a prognosticator and make a judgment about how the election could or would have been different. each state is different and i don't know but i think the one message that came across was get something done. it's time to get something done, stop talking. get something done, and so i think, again, that's what the american people are looking for , and i think it's a legitimate, and when you ask how we're able to bring things together. [laughter] well, you know, look, all kidding aside, i believe everybody in the process is entitled to be treated with respect, and i've been doing this kind of thing, it's not all me but i've been doing this thing my whole life. i've been able to put things together when people said they couldn't be put together just by making the overwhelming point that you can't have all you want it's a process. there's no one piece of legislation that's going to solve everybody's problems, so i spend a lot of time, as you probably heard, with a lot of people, both political parties and within my party, saying look , if we move on what's here in this bill, that is the infrastructure bill, it is a game changer in a half a dozen ways. the fact that it has too much of what you don't want, and not enough of what you don't want, just let's be reasonable. let's take a look at this. let's do what we all agree at a minimum is in the interest of the american people and if you want to add more we can fight about it later. we want to subtract some of it. i've never voted for a major piece of legislation, an omnibu s bill that i was for every piece of it. people say well how do i explain this? i said well you explain to your constituents and i'm not telling you how to do it but you go home and say this is what it did, you add one piece in here there's not enough money for this or too much money for that but overall this has been a gigantic benefit to my congressional district. so i spent a lot of time taking questions from both and by the way, everybody at the end of the day, i have to admit, dealt with me fairly. part of the process, this is probably more than you need to know, but part of the process is getting to know all the people, personally again. i've been out of government for four years. i used to do this everyday. i used to know about every district i was working with, when i was vice president. i know them and call up and say hey, charlie or mary, and so it's getting to know a lot of these people, to build trust, because everything i say i'm going to try to do i'll try to do, and i think that's also part of the process, and so hopefully it can continue. reporter: mr. president? you just alluded to it there mr. president, two questions. you are arguably the most legislatively experienced president we've ever seen but to get this first agenda item over the finish line you need the republican votes. you're not going to have republican votes for your build back better agenda. isn't it doomed and my second question, mr. president, opec plus has snubbed your call to pump more oil. when will you respond with a release? >> well first of all, i'm not anticipating that opec would respond, that russia and/or saudi arabia would respond. they're going to pump some more oil, whether they pump enough oil is a different thing. there are other tools in the arsenal that we have to deal , when dealing with other countries at an appropriate time , i will talk about it, that we can get more energy in the pipeline, figuratively and literally speaking, and i don't start off with any assumption that i can't get anybody to vote and so i mean this sincerely. i think what's going to happen is we're going to see what happens in the senate and whether or not i need only democratic votes which is likely , which is the likely outcome and the question is, can i get all of those votes? this is a process, and all along , you've told me i can't do any of it anyway. from the very beginning, no, no, come on, be honest okay you didn't believe we could do any of it and i don't blame you, because you look at the facts you wonder how it's going to get done but i think, i think there's, i think there's a dawn ing on the part of a lot of people, the whole elective office that you get some of this done, things are better for them as well as everybody else, and i'm sure there's some calculation saying well, biden gets this other bill he's going to be moving too fast and it's going to hurt the democrats going to be doing too well. that's way i think we have to try to figure out how to make the case across-the-board as to there's a lot of things we have to tackle yet. reporter: mr. president? have you gotten assurances from moderate democrats in the house and senate that they are going to vote for your build back better plan now that what they really want is the infrastructure bill has passed. >> you know, i'm not going to answer that question for you, because i'm not going to get into who or what made what commitments to me. i don't negotiate in public, but i feel confident, i feel confident, that we will have enough votes to pass the build back better plan. reporter: mr. president? what gives you that confidence? >> me. >> [laughter] reporter: mr. president, you were forced to take family leave from your framework a couple weeks ago. you were forced to pull paid family leave from the fame work, the house is putting it back in, can you keep it in this bill when it makes its way to the senate? >> time will tell. reporter: mr. president, i'd like to ask real quick sir, you said last week that this report about migrant families at the border getting payments was garbage. >> no, i did not say that. you said everybody coming across the border gets $450,000. reporter: it was the number you had a problem with? >> it was the number i referred to. now here's the thing. if in fact because of the outrageous behavior of the last administration, you coming across the border whether it's legal or illegal and you lost your child, you lost your child, they're gone, you deserve some kind of compensation. no matter what the circumstance is. what that will be, i have no idea. i have no idea. reporter: the doj negotiating settlement? reporter: mr. president, two questions you referred twice in your comments and yet we haven't heard anything about the china bill, which is really the third element of what you're hoping to do here. is it true the senate has not yet come up to the house, and it would seem that that is the one that is more key to our competitors, so i was wondering if you could talk a little bit about that and then also tell us how you're feeling right now about the iran deal, since it looks like you're going to do back to discussion at the end of the month but the iranians have made it pretty clear at this point they plan to rip up most of what was done so far, so are you into your plan b at this point? >> i'm not going to comment on iran now, and the china bill you're referring to, everything in good time. i've got to get this through. i've got to get this through, next thing is build back better. reporter: so when do you plan to do that? >> well, in order. i'm going to take one more question. reporter: mr. president, can i follow-up on paid leave, mr. president? sir, may i follow-up on paid leave? >> [laughter] reporter: mr. president, democratic congresswoman abbey gal spanburger said of your president this week, nobody elected him to the fdr, they elected him to be normal and stop the chaos. how do you view your mandate after tuesday's election losses for democrats and is she wrong? >> well, abigail is a friend, we had a long talk, she joked and said i have a picture, she said i have a picture of roosevelt hanging in my office, her office, okay? i don't pretend to be anybody but joe biden. that's who i am, and what i'm trying to do is do the things that i ran on to do, and look, people out there are ordinary, hard-working americans, are really really and put through the ringer the last couple years , starting with covid. covid has disrupted almost every family one way or another, whether it's wearing a mask or losing a family member. you know, 750,000-plus americans dead. 750,000, and so people are worried. people are also worried about, you know, coming up, they don't understand, why is the price of agricultural products and when i go to the store, why is it higher? like for example, if i had, if we were all going out and having lunch together and i said let's ask whoevers in the next table, no matter what restaurant we're in, have them explain the supply chain to us. do you think they'd understand what we're talking about? they're smart people, but supply chain. well why is everything backed up well it's backed up because the people who supply the materials that end up being on our kitchen table or in our life, guess what? they're closing those plants because they have covid. so it's a complicated world that people are facing. we've never faced anything like this before. i mean, i'm not saying this is the worst of every time in american history but we never faced anything this sort of defined of understanding and what's going on, and you can understand why people are upset and whether you have a phd or you're working, you know, in a restaurant. it's confusing, and so people are understandably worried. they're worried, and so all i can say is what i'm going to try to do is explain to the american people, as best i can, and by the way, you all write for pay living. i haven't seen anyone of you explain the supply chain very well. no, no, i'm not being critical. >> [laughter] >> when your editor says, explain the supply chain, okay? lots of luck in your senior years, my coach used to say, but i sincerely mean it. this is a confusing time, confusing time. think of all those children, all those children who may have lost more than a year of education, by only being out one semester. think of all that's going on in terms of access to everything from when you go back to college , if you're in college, you have to wear your mask, or whose your roommate? this is a confusing moment, and it seems to me that my job as the president of the united states is to try to figure out, myself as well, what is most- needed to put people at ease and let them know there's a way through this? there's a way through this. the world has never been here before. that sounds like hyperbole, but think about it. this is truly one of those inflection points in history. all the pieces on the board are moving, both in terms of the relationships among and between nations as well as the pieces of what employment future people have. how do we do this? and so this is a confusing time but i promise, i promise the american people i have one focus. how do we give you some breathing room? how do we get you to the point where we take pressure off you so you can begin to get back to a degree of normality and we move to a different place? this time when we move, and by the way, everybody international ly uses the build back better now. when i used the phrase initially people looked at me like build back better? we're the only country in the world, gone through a crisis , to go through a crisis and come out better than we were before the crisis occurred. that's building back better than it was before, so this is a process and i just we're going to see , take it everyday, every moment, one moment at a time. i can take, i'm going to get in real trouble. this is last question time taking. reporter: mr. president, the infrastructure bill and when do you think the build back better bill will be passed, by thanksgiving, christmas? >> i don't want to make your job easier. >> [laughter] >> i don't want to, i know the answer exactly when it's going to be passed, and i know exactly how it's going to -- reporter: what is the impact from this bill? >> we see the effects of this bill, this bill, probably starting within the next two-to- three months as we get the shovels into the ground and people being told they are going to be working, doing the following things, and things are going to move. it is a bill that's paid out over a number of years, and so but the biggest thing it does is give people, you're going to have people going oh, okay i guess i'm going to be able to keep my job or i'm going to be able to get a job doing that so i can't tell you any of that with precision. if anybody can, then they ought to go into fortune telling but it's going to be a provision, a bill that is going to have a profound impact overtime. it's a little like, and i'll end with this. a little like when i, we, first came to office and a lot of this has to do with this lady right here, the vice president. it's not all me. i used to stand there and have to listen to the president, so you've got to stand there and listen to the president but she deserves an enormous amount of the credit but here's the deal. when we came to office, we were told virtually by everybody, you can't get this economy moving, remember? remember when they told me, there's no way i could get 2 million shots a day into people's arms in the beginning. there's no way to get 200 million, so no way i could get the vaccine, there's no way, no way, no way. it's understandable, it's not, i'm not criticizing people who said that, because these things have never been done before. its never happened before, and so we got to work. i agree, i am an optimist but it's because i really mean this. i have enormous faith in the ingenuity, in the integrity of the american people. i'm not joking. i have enormous faith in them because i'm convinced, we're the most unique country in the world. not because we're all so smart but because we're the only country that's organized based on an idea. we really mean it. we haven't lived up to them but we hold these truths to be self- evident. all men and women were created equal. basically, give everybody a shot , and i really have faith in the american people. i know we're divided. i know how mean it can get and i know there are extremes on both ends that make it more difficult than its been in a long long time but i'm convinced, let the american people know that we're committed to enhancing their ability to make their way all do better. thank you all so very much. >> [overlapping speakers] reporter: an update on the fed chair? neil: all right, there you go with the president of the united states leaving with the vice president, a big victory and it happened last night in the house , by a vote of 228-206 and the house approving that infrastructure-only bill it's about a $1.2 trillion measure, about half that cost if you consider repurposed covid funds. we're going to be talking a little bit later on with the transportation secretary of the united states, pete buttigieg, about how this was done and what happens next. we should let you know though, that the president teed up that there is another big one coming, the build back better plan, a promise we're told that was made to progressives last night to vote on that larger bill, maybe as soon as this month. let goes to chad pergram with the very latest on what's next, chad? reporter: good morning, neil. what unlocks the late night infrastructure vote was a pact between modern democrats and progressives. remember with liberals insisted the house vote on the bills together, that did not happen, but progressives promised they wouldn't holdup president biden 's agenda. democrats had a deal, house speaker nancy pelosi that the house would vote on infrastructure by september 27. that didn't happen, so moderates agreed to support the social spending plan in its current form, if it comes up in the house the week of november 15. moderates still want an official cost estimate on the social spending bill from the official score keeper on capitol hill the congressional budget office but there are concerns that the social spending will cost for the congressional leaders are telling. listen. >> historically, the joint committee on taxation and the congressional budget office are the official scores for the u.s. congress. we've had differences with them in the past, including over the tax cuts and jobs act. it's not an us versus them, we have different ways of modeling. reporter: 13 gop members voted for the infrastructure bill, but democrats must move the other bill on their own. they can only risk three deflections on their side, if it's a passed bill that's the concern if the cbo hads score is a bad one and remember the senate will drastically change the house social spending bill so whatever comes back in the senate will probably be a very different animal than what the house sent across the capitol rotunda. neil? neil: chad pergram thank you very much, to republican senator bill haggerty right now. senator, somehow, moderates got together with progressives and enough of them, along with 13 republicans voted yes, on the infrastructure-only package to make it happen. how do you feel as a republican about those 13 who voted for this? >> well, neil, you recall that i fought this very hard in the senate. it was very surprising to me to see 13 republicans basically bail nancy pelosi out. she did not have the votes within her own party to do this , we had 13 republicans that decided to step up and help her in this way and what they did is put themselves on a path to early retirement. neil: so, in the senate, where you had 19 republican senators doing just that, you feel the same way? >> well, the situation, i think , should be evaluated in the light of what happened in virginia. what we saw earlier this week was the american public certainly manifest themself in virginia, spoke out. they repudiated these policies we're seeing come from the democrat party and what's happening is exactly what i predicted would p ha, neil. back in august i said when i refused to allow this process to expedite and refused to allow this $1.2 trillion bill to be expedited through the senate this would become a hostage that nancy pelosi would use to open the door for this massive big government spending program that they've now teed up for later in november, that's exactly what happened. nancy pelosi held this bill for three months, the bill was a hostage and they signed it exactly as it was sent over from the senate they sat on it for three months until she could get the votes she needed last night to lay the procedural to move forward for this massive big government spending bill. neil: you mentioned republicans voted for this senator and donald trump has been more blunt about the republican senators who supported the infrastructure-only measure back in august, and saying we should remember their names, i'm paraphrasing here, but should they be punished? if you're a republican and you voted for this , do you think you should be punished? >> i think the concern that everybody should have right now is looking at what this has laid the groundwork for , this $1.2 trillion package was used by nancy pelosi to force her party together, to force together the votes to lay the groundwork to pass this massive 3.56 trillion, you come up with a number, neil they are still working on it and the cbo will come up with a dis a in politicoing outcome but they passed the 1.2 out of the senate, with a quarter of a trillion dollars of a shortfall, when they said earlier it would all be paid for it was not. i don't expect that to be the case with this massive build back better plan that really is a big government socialism package and the american public will not want this. i'm thinking the consequences are going to be pretty severe for those who have enabled this and particularly these 13 house members, after looking at what happened in virginia just earlier this week, it really does puzzle me. neil: senator, near the end of his remarks the president was referring to the supply chain shortage as really a covid issue , because there were limb it limitations in staff around the world and i've heard this argument before. that is what created it. what did you make of that? >> well, that maybe part of the problem, neil, but another part is look what happens when you stop paying people not to work. we've actually seen our employment numbers come back. that has a lot to do with the fact we've stopped subsidiz ing unemployment but we've also got a lot of other things happening and i think one of the worst things that's going to happen in terms of supply chain dislocation is this vaccine mandate. the company after company that i talk within my home state of tennessee are telling me they are going to lose workers and this will exacerbate the problem , i even put together an op-ed this week the mandate that stole christmas but this is a very big concern as we look at further worsening of the supply chain, and then when you look at what they've done to our energy independence, by killing the keystone xl pipeline, by un leashing war on fossil fuels that's what this massive big government spending program will do is destroy the fossil fuel industry this is the big green deal under another name is they embark on this , they are going to make transportation costs higher, increase the cost of transporting everything through the supply chain, make it more difficult to get workers, we've got trucker shortages, all of this is part in parcel to bad policy. neil: we'll watch it very closely, senator, thank you very very much. >> thank you, neil. neil: bill hagerty of the beautiful state of tennessee let's go to lee carter on the implications of this in a week we had stunning developments in virginia and a new york flip for the governor's mansion very close to that in new jersey. lee, what do you think now the president ends up getting this infrastructure-only package , somehow it got done, sets the stage for the bigger spending package, we don't know when that will be but they are apparently promises they could get a vote in the house maybe later this month. what do you think? >> i think the tone of his speech sort of says everything. you know, you would think that this would have been a celebration and seemed much month of an apology speech, he was explaining why he did what the he did to both sides of the aisle. it was a failure in some ways on the left and it was a failure on the right. i don't think anyone is totally happy with where he netted out. he has a very defensive posture, so i don't think this was a huge plan and this is very very much what we expected would get through, and so that i don't think this is a big victory for the biden administration. when you look at what happened on tuesday in virginia, i think you see a very clear roadmap that the republicans have for victory going into the mid-terms so they picked an issue that was important to both sides of the aisle one that is not usually republican issue, and they made it and framed it very much framed it very much around choice for the american people. he didn't make it dangerous on the other side, he didn't say it takes over our education, he said you deserve to have a choice. you deserve to be in control. i think that's what a lot of the american people are going to buy into and i think that's the messaging that we can all buy into, and i frankly think that kind of tone is much more what the american people want to hear today. neil: you know, lee, it depends on the poll of course and you're an expert on them, but the infrastructure-only package seemed to poll well with americans, not so much the more omnibus spending plans that democrats are sort of fine tuning, they hope to fine tune and get voted on before the years out. leaving that aside, do you think that had this infrastructure plan been passed before this week's voting? it might have been a different outcome. >> i think it might have been, although i just don't think that the candidates are running in virginia or that were running in new jersey necessarily had a story that was compelling to the american people. i don't think they were necessarily running on the back of joe biden on the back of infrastructure, they were still very much running against donald trump. if you look at the sort of campaign strategy that was happening in virginia, it was very much saying we're running against donald trump, the crazy, the this , the that, they weren't running for infrastructure, they weren't running for a better america. they weren't running for civil discourse. they weren't running for as joe biden just talked about reminded us about how he ran because of dense it. that's not what they were doing. they are running still very much fear-based, anger-based saying they can't afford to let trump win again which isn't necessarily what was even happening, so i'm not sure that even if this infrastructure bill passed before it would have changed the outcome because that's not the story they were telling. neil: all right, we'll watch it closely lee carter thank you very very much good seeing you again, lee. in the meantime just to let you know, late last night, the house surprisingly going ahead and put this entire infrastructure matter to a vote, and it came out approved, 228-206. 13 republicans yes, six democrat s voted no, largely some of the progressive democrats that wanted these two measures essentially tied at the hip. the read, from the transportation secretary of the united states, where this money will be going. pete buttigieg, after this. up to one million dollars. that's how much university of phoenix is committing to create 400 scholarships this month alone. if you're committed to earning your degree, we're committed to making it accessible. because we believe everybody deserves a chance. and sometimes one chance is all it takes to change everything. see what scholarship opportunities you may qualify for at phoenix.edu neil: all right, the president making it official, that it did, this is a big win in the house last night, by a vote of 228-20 # with 13 republicans voting yes and six democrats largely progressives voting no, we got done, the infrastructure-only plan got done, welcome news to the next guest, transportation secretary of the united states, pete buttigieg. secretary, good to see you. >> good morning, nice to be with you. neil: i do want to get into that whole thing, but i was concerned about your son, i know he came home from the hospital yesterday after what, three weeks under medical care. i know some days on a ventilator how is he doing now? >> very kind of you to ask. he's doing great. he and his sister are home with their other dad right now, and we're just so thankful for the love, the prayers, the support, and the really good medical attention that he got that our family benefited from. so many parents go through a terrifying time like that and you just realize how parenting is terror and joy at the same time, but pleased to share with you that they are both doing great right now. neil: well that's good because that's the kind of stuff that's important, so penelope, she's okay. what was the problem with your son if you can update me? >> actually, both of them were hospitalized with a respiratory virus, not covid but another one that if you or i got it it be like a cold but if a premature child gets it, it's serious business, she got better , he got worse, and we went through something that wouldn't wish on any parent, but again, the best thing the best news is they're home and doing great. neil: i'm very glad to hear that secretary, now, the business at hand and the president champion ing this infrastructure-only measure , you know, six democrats voted against this. they appear to be largely progressives who made this a protest vote for them, so what did you make of that? >> well, first of all i want to say we're proud of the bipartisan nature of the vote, and the fact that republicans and democrats voted to push this through. now, i know our party is famous ly a big tent party we're not a command and control kind of party folks have very different diverse opinions which is part of why there was so much dialogue and such a process to get us to this point and of course a big process underway to push for that second part of the president's vision the build back better agenda. my lane, obviously, is the transportation piece, it's mostly the part that passed last night, but we're also very committed and very enthusiastic about getting the other part over the line. those tax credits for working families with children that's going to put money in their pockets to help them raise kids and deal with cost, free three and four-year-old preschool, something i've heard politicians talking about for at least as long as i've been in politics , the measures to help loved ones who are elderly or with disabilities get care in their homes, and tax fairness to make sure that you never have a multi-billion dollar corporation paying less in taxes than a firefighter or a teacher. these are things we believe in as well. i'm still holding out hope until the bell rings that at least some republicans be willing to vote for that although we haven't seen any sign of that just yet, and taken together, these two packages represent a very big deal for the american economy and for american families. neil: some of the moderates a good man it of them are voting for this , do you have a feeling , secretary, that they will vote for this larger spending package that is still being crafted? >> yeah, you know, most of the moderates that i've talked to, the biggest thing that they're interested in is the fiscal side. now, we now have read-outs coming back from the joint committee on taxation, from third parties like moody's analytics, and other bodies including our own analysis in the administration pointing to how this package could serve to reduce the deficit. they're interested in more data coming in particularly from the cbo, the congressional budget office, but the bottom line is that democrats and i would like to believe at least some republicans share a sense that we need to prioritize making it easier and more affordable to raise a family in this country, making it easier to get healthcare, having a fair er tax code that rewards work, not wealth, and doing something about climate before it's too late. that's why the provisions in this bill have almost ridiculous ly high levels of support among the american public, and that ultimately is what we think will propel this through congress and on to the president's desk. neil: doesn't have the level of support among some moderates, joe manchin comes to mind, kyrsten sinema, they've been told we're told, secretary, to sort of get in line, and they're concerned about a price tag that seems to keep going up, and that they need to see a cbo, that is the congressional budget office score on this , and that applies to a wide swath of politicians before they commit to it. >> again, the joint committee on taxation has weighed in, we've got our numbers from the national economic council but yeah, they're interested in seeing what the cbo has to say and we understand that. we've been in dialogue with them and with so many in the senate and in the house. neil: they want to wait for that that's what i mean to say, secretary. they want to wait for that. what do you think? >> right and as you say some of the moderates in the house also considered it very important to get that cbo data as part of their confidence in supporting the rule that passed last night. so i guess what i'd say is part two is in the works, that's where you have these, by the way also i want to point out how important it is to recognize the economists who tell us that this build back better vision will help with inflation, because we are worried about that pressure on prices. this helps get more people back to work, because so many people want to work but they can't because they can't find and afford child care so that's part two. part one, that passed last night is where the moment the ink is dry from the president's signature, my department has a lot of work to do. we gotta get those roads and bridges funded and support the transit and rail projects that are out there both thinking about passenger rail which as you know the president and for that matter, i believe, in but also that freight rail at a time when we're looking at all these concerns with our supply chains. ports and airports know the to mention the energy grid infrastructure, the broadband infrastructure that's so important in rural areas and underserved urban area and just getting the led out of our pipes . this is an investment and the reason we got that good bipartisan support is this truly is an investment that pays for itself and we're ready to get cracking the moment we have the official bill signed, sealed and delivered. neil: all right it's unlikely as things stand but you're quite right that could change, the lead bipartisan support for the bigger spending package you mentioned economists are obviously not all on the same page some argue this is quite inflationary, goldman sachs and merril lynch and a host of other firms that worry about just that and then some have even gone so far to say that this approach and still pushing for this bigger spending package after the contest in virginia and new jersey this week, show that, you know, democrats are tone deaf. how do you answer that? >> well there's nothing tone deaf about advancing a policy that has 60 or 70 or 80% support among the american people, which if you look at what's under the hood as a build back better package, that's what we're talking about, support for expanding access to healthcare, the provisions that we have in there to get everybody to preschool or to make child care more affordable and my favorite thing about this package is that when you tell the american people how we're going to pay for it, you get into that issue of how's this going to be paid for the support gets even higher because americans know as a matter of common sense that it makes no sense for some corporation that makes billions of dollars in profits to be exactly zero in taxes. neil: that's absolutely a fair point, secretary, but you know, wharton has a study out that says the cost is close to double the signature amount. they think do it in a lot of ways and look at when it's in and out it's actually very confusing but they say that this is not the price it's billed at, that it's far far more underpaid than the way the administration is selling it what do you say to that? >> without getting too technical if you double click on that particular study you're mentioning, i don't think what they modeled is what's actually in the framework going forward. again, i would point to 17 nobel prize winning economists talking about how this will help fight inflation but i really want to mention the tax fairness piece one more time. let's be clear. profitable corporations will still be profitable probably moreso, now that we'll have good infrastructure, wealthy people will still be wealthy but they will be paying their fair share. it just makes no sense that -- neil: what is fair share, secretary? what is fair share? >> the economy in the world can't come up with the funds to deliver preschool or child care or things that almost any other developed country can take for granted. neil: i get that, secretary, but what is fair share to you? the very top-top under this plan will be touching about 50% with everything, and i'm just curious , no matter who it hits that ultimately top-top rate. what is your definition of fair share, at 50% are they paying their fair share? >> yes, or closer to it anyway look we're talking about folks who are doing great, who will still be doing great under this tax provision, who are benefiting from an explosion in income and wealth inequality in this country. if you look at the ratio between what a ceo makes and what an ordinary worker makes, compared to what it was let's say during the reagan administration, i mean, that gap has exploded and i don't think it's because there's a gap in productivity. i think its got a lot to do with policy and politics, so as the president often says, it's not about punishing anybody , and wealthy people will still be wealthy, profitable corporations will still be profitable, but when they are paying a more reasonable share when you know longer see a company making billions of dollars paying zero in taxes, then we have the funds to deliver things that people in pretty much any other developed country can take for granted and i don't know why americans should be asked to settle for less. neil: you mentioned why americans shouldn't be asked to settle for less, the reality is that you're right as the plan stands now corporations or individuals will pick-up the cost of this but it happens at a time that roughly half of the american people pay no federal income tax, now some of that might be payroll taxes and the rest, but that this number has grown that big from close to around 20% of the 1950s when we had a much higher top rate. do you fear that the fact that so many have no federal income tax input on this , that they have no skin in the game, and of course they're going to support something for which they have no fear of paying. >> well again, we're talking about folks who are paying income, or paying payroll taxes , paying sales taxes, they're often paying property taxes. i don't think the problem right now is that working and middle class americans have it too easy i don't think the problem right now is that somebody who works 40, 50, 80 hours a week at minimum wage, that their life is too easy. i think the problem right now is a lot of folks with armies of lawyers and lobbyists who figured out ways to pay literally nothing in some cases, or if you look even at wealthy individuals -- neil: but they're quite few -- >> even on a percentage basis, even on a percentage basis, if you count the true accumulation of wets, you got billionaires paying a lower percentage of their income than school teacher s or firefighters and it's just a common sense fact that that's wrong. neil: real quickly, the president looks at the supply chain crisis as covid and covid-only related but not wouldn't have it do you agree with that? >> i would say this , clearly a lot of this is driven by covid, it's supply and demand and it's covid. now when you see , for example, the president was pointing out if the shoe factory in vietnam closes because of covid outbreak , that's obviously an impact that happens because of the pandemic and what we're seeing is those pandemic issues are colliding with infrastructure that hasn't been invested in enough and we got a chance to work on that long term problem right now, thanks to this bill. neil: sorry to jump on you secretary, thank you very much, pete buttigieg, we'll have more after this. this isn't just freight. these aren't just shipments. they're promises. promises of all shapes and sizes. each with a time and a place they've been promised to be. ... >> what to make of this houston stampede. eight are dead, many injured after a crowd surged forward at rapper travis scott's concert on stage and others were there and it was out of control. the latest right now from chelsea edwards, kriv in houston. chelsea, what do we know now? >> the best way to describe this is chaotic. officers tell us about 9:15 last night, there was compression, a surge towards the stage at the astroworld festival. it brings thousands not just from houston's area, but across the world. last night there were about 50,000 people in attendance. during this time there was this push towards the stage, travis scott, a houston native, rapper, he was on stage at the time. we're told during that time, it was described as hot, just compact, people could not breathe. people started passing out, now we have eight people dead. we're told that 11 people went into cardiac arrest. first responders were on scene having to perform chest compressions. we talked to one guy just a moment ago about what he saw and he actually saw a man getting chest compressions during all of this chaos. and people tell us didn't know where to go, meanwhile, travis scott was on stage at the time. we're told that he was trying to tell people to move out of the way to allow ambulances and first responders to come in. we're told that it's an extremely chaotic scene and now we're left with eight people dead, 17 in the hospital. this morning, houston police have been able to contact these family members of those 17 people and seven of the eight people who died. currently we are at the wyndham, houston hotel where they're continuing to connect families with people who they may not have heard from because in all of this chaos, a lot of people lost their cell phones or cell phones had died because it's an all-day festival. right now investigators are trying to piece together what caused this surge. there are reports that there was a lot of drug use. i've spoken to people who saw it for themselves, a lot of strange activity, even earlier in the day there was a push through the v.i.p. gates. so that was the first incident that start this had day and we also spoke with a gentleman not too long ago as well who said the whole day seemed to be off. this is a welcomed concert here, the houston leaders, city leaders, they enjoy it, they welcome the tourism dollars and people look forward to it, but no one expected it to end in a tragedy like this. neil: chelsea, thank you so much for that. again, if we have further updates, we'll have it posted. in the meantime, the big news, at least for the markets, stunning jobs report. that's the good news. the bad news is with those jobs and higher pay come higher prices that are gobbling up, well, all of those pay gains. let's go to molly line with more on this, molly. >> good morning, neil. yeah, that solid jobs report really has the president feeling good, speaking out and bragging about the economic recovery and touting gains as well, when it comes to the labor market and rising wages. to counter the president's bragging points, the rising prices muddling this rather rosey picture for the president's spending bill. >> not only are more americans working, working americans are seeing their pay go up, weekly pay went up in october average hourly earnings up almost 5% this year. >> amidst a shortage of workers and intense competition in the labor market, 4.6 year over year, but the extra dollars may not go so far because of the numerous price hikes, food to gas, everyday goods. >> i've been listening to the people in west virginia, they're concerned about inflation. i go to the grocery store and takes me $30 more to buy what i did six months ago and i go to the filling station, drive to go to work and i'm spending $20 more to fill up the tank or more. these are concerning and they know that the higher utility bills are coming at them this winter. >> senator manchin talking about the heating bills using natural gas, 43% for those using fuel oil according to the u.s. energy administration, neil. neil: molly line, thank you for that. so with the good news on jobs balanced out by the bad news essentially on inflation, let's ask our panel about that, danielle dimartino, former dallas fed advisor and also adam lashinsky, fox news contributor and author. and brian, knows his stuff, kings college in manhattan, and wish i had him when i had the courses, would have been more fun. professor, let me go to you, what to make of the good news, bad news situation, the economy is percolating, so are the prices that go with it. how would it go on? >> neil, i wish you were my student, classes would be more fun with you in the front row. the jobs report was good news. we finally got the rohloff effect of the employment bump up. we see the covid cases waning a little bit and that helped as well, but you've got this inflation problem and it's not going away. you just talked to pete buttigieg a second ago, the biden administration says it cares about inflation, but it's not going to do anything to help inflation. it wants to spend more money. so you've got this problem where workers are getting higher wages, but it's spiraling right into higher costs. neil, you've got to stop the inflation problem. this economy has plenty of jobs, wages can rise, but if prices keep going up, it's going to nullify that good effect and we're going to be stuck treading water well into next year. neil: you know, daniela, as a former fed official and you're looking at inflation and proving more than transitory, what do you do? >> i think from the perspective of policy makers, they're between a rock and a hard place, proverbially speaking. in america, whether you want to buy a home or renting at least the highest in 20 years. your first time entry level home buyer or trying to leave homes and get out of your parents' basement and rent, these are sticker shock issues. at the same time we have legislation that's hampered the u.s. oil and gas at home, so we can import less, that's not helpful. and the prices at the gas pump are the most visible form of inflation and it seems like the federal reserve not having tightened sooner and speculation in housing run wild, it seems they're behind the curve. i'm encouraged this $1.2 trillion infrastructure spending bill has finally passed and then you hear that president biden is talking about the great wonderful union jobs created and you're saying, there's my tax dollars not going as far as they need to. again, this won't do anything for the people who are suffering inflation because it's a regressive tax, inflation is regressive tax that hurts the lowest income earners the most. neil: adam, what's been a clear theme among prominent democrats with whom i've been chatting on this, particularly the moderate ones who decided and voted for the infrastructure plan only last night, the good in the economy will trump, no pun intended on the former president, with the bad higher prices. that people are still feeling good, good about their balance sheet situation so they'll continue buying. there's a limit to that, obviously. that's the way they're playing it and that's why we need to spending to keep that going. what do you make of that argument? >> well, i think it's a solid one for them and we should remember, as long as we're still on the political aspect of this, neil, that this can be thought of as a bipartisan piece of legislation including the way it passed in the senate. so it's not only a democratic bill. so, that's the democrats' hope that there will be good thing, including union jobs that's not a waste of taxpayer money coming out of this piece of legislation. i think, anyone who pooh-poohed inflation months ago, and i was one of them, was wrong. we're inching toward equilibrium. at some point the supply chain restraint, only so much the government can do, that will help out with inflation and the fed is acting. were they late? plans. but they're acting and that will help. neil: you could wonder about the fed, brian, whether whatever it does is too little too late. the first thing is to cut down on bond purchasing they've announcing starting this month, but maybe the next move is raising interest rates. there are signs it could happen the latter, raising interest rates as soon as next year. do you agree with that? >> yeah, and they might raise interest rates next year. and people are wondering what are you going to do for me now? adam talked about people who pooh-poohed inflation earlier this year. the biggest problem the president did, the administration did, they didn't get on top of this. we are way behind the curve on inflation right now. let's just be clear. and we're not talking about things that will fix it on the fiscal side. the president talked this morning about the supply chain crisis, he doesn't get it. it's clear he doesn't get it. he admitted as much. if we don't do something to solve that problem and part of that is getting rid of mandates following up labor markets, if we don't do something about that now, this problem is going to persist and the fed is already behind the curve, it's going to remain behind the curve, and wait until interest rates start going up next year. let's talk about political problems, that's going to start to become a political problem next year, 2022 is shaping up to be interesting because we have gotten way behind on bread and butter issues for people. >> speaking of bread and butter issues, i apologize for the truncated time here, the president seems to blame it on covid. blames the supply chain because covid. no, with all deference to president biden, there are laws that hamper the trucking industry that made the supply chain disruptions all that much worse. there are things that can be done internally inside of the united states it try and expedite the move of cargo, of shipments and containers and there's also, again, i always go back to the fed. there's no reason that they needed to be buying $40 billion of mortgage-backed securities which may sound like an arcane term, but let's say they've been pumping 40 billion into the economy that has been running completely amok. and executives, just sign your name, biden, and you can alleviate quite a few of the issues if he chose to do so. neil: i'm sure he's watching you right now and i'm sure that's exactly what he's going to do. thank you, guys. always good chatting with you. very good job. one spending measure out of the way, another big one coming up, but to hear my next guest tell it, and he's a colleague of senator joe manchin, if you think the protests that manchin has been facing in parking garages or when he's in his house, if you think they're going to stop, you have another think coming. why senator bill cassidy is worried. your record label is taking off. but so is your sound engineer. you need to hire. i need indeed. indeed you do. indeed instant match instantly delivers quality candidates matching your job description. visit indeed.com/hire most bladder leak pads were similar. until always discreet invented a pad that protects differently. matching your job description. with two rapiddry layers. for strong protection, that's always discreet. question your protection. try always discreet. do you have a life insurance policy you no longer need? 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>> the left can't persuade people at the ballot box, can't persuade them with their ideas so they're attempting to intimidate people forcing them to vote for something most americans disapprove of. that's in stark contrast to the bipartisan infrastructure bill which is heartily approved by most americans polled. on the other hand the build back better or reconciliation bill they only think they can win by intimidation and that gives you a measure of their argument. neil: you know, some of your republican colleagues, maybe all the way up to the former president of the united states, senator, don't share your enthusiasm for the infrastructure-only bill, including a republican congressman who was saying, you know, some of those who voted for this might rue the day. i want you to react to this. >> we're going to blame the republicans who went along with it in the beginning, that opened the door for this process to play out the way that it does tonight. to your point, the democrats used one to get the other. neil: what do you think of that, senator? >> i've got to chuckle. the bipartisan infrastructure bill has passed, it has passed. it's no longer held hostage so now the reconciliation bill has to stand on its own merit and that should go back to people having to stalk joe manchin to try and get it passed. whoever spoke, i can't see, don't know who it was, you've to remind them. once the hostage is released it can no longer be used as leverage. by the way, if good policy is good politics, then i think it's really good for republicans to support roads and bridges, access to high speed internet for all americans, help for people who are flooded. help for water problems in the west and ports and decreased cost to transportation and make our supply chain issues better. good policy is good politics and i will stand by the policy in this bill all the way to election day. neil: well, you definitely stand by your principles, senator, but people like donald trump do not forget that. in fact, he targeted guys like you for that position. and i'm wondering if that will now extend to these 13 republicans who voted for this infrastructure measure last night? >> anyone that can go back to their constituents and say that now there are roads that you are stuck in traffic jams, but there is now the ability to repair that road, to expand it, to replace it, to duplicate it, to lower your commute time, the person whose family has moved away because they live in rural united states and their family won't move back because there's no high speed internet, that bill gives access and my state has been pounded by floods and there's 3.5 million to mitigate floods. i have go down the list, at some point it's got to be about the american people, not who hates whom. it has to be for the american people. this bill is for the american people. neil: senator bill cassidy, thank you, be safe, be well. >> thank you, neil. neil: all right. a couple of other developments we're following here and that includes right now the next push for this next big bill, but what's kind of interesting about it and maybe this is because the president sort of forwarded the ball at his remarks after celebrating the infrastructure vote last night, this notion of paying illegal families, trying to get here when they were split up at the border. the only dispute was over how much after this. i was born in hawaii, but i'm not really from there. because we moved to maryland when i was a baby. that's where we got tobie. and then mark was born in california. so for me, home is wherever we go. come on rose. lowe's is honored to save military families 10% every day. ♪ ♪ wow, we're crunching tons of polygons here! what's going on? 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i know the justice department wants to take this up, their legal response is a wrong doesn't justify a wrong. but this would never be the case if they weren't trying to enter the country illegally in the first place. how does a good lawyer, a good judge, or a good jury, go through that? >> you're right, neil, if they hadn't attempted and didn't in fact cross illegally we wouldn't be in this situation to begin with. that doesn't mean if the united states did something that caused it subsequently, what bothers me, if you settle the case, you do an individualized analysis, case by case. was this person truly injured. if so, what damages did they suffer that we need to pay to make them whole. what biden seems to be doing here is basically everyone who is eligible we're going to make a significant payment to, 500,000, a million dollars a family rather than taking a look at every case and decide whether any payment is warranted let alone that amount of money. neil: what if it turns out or possible that this dates back before the trump administration or after the trump administration? do these same payment issues hold? >> well, i think the administration would be setting a precedent because to your point, if it turns out that after the initial tranche of payments have been made more people come forward and say, hey, the same thing happened to me under president obama or the same thing is happening to me under president biden, how is the justice department going to argue that if they've established a precedent that people who were put in the situation gets a million dollar payment. it's hard to distinguish the other cases from these ones. neil: so by extension, when you talk about, you know, precedent, i'm just curious then, what happens when you have a family who lost a loved one, who is killed either by an illegal, in a traffic or other gruesome accident, or just a deliberate murder? where is their compensation? where is the precedent for them? >> right. well, and i think another good point, you look at gold star families, who lost a loved one in active military service, they're not getting a million dollars. and so you have to look at that and make comparisons. and again, it can be difficult at times, but anytime the justice department settles a lawsuit like this, it sends a very large message to the american people about what value they are placing on the injury this person suffered. there are many people in america deserving of parents who have lost loved ones and separated from loved ones and people are going to look and wonder is this the just solution. neil: thank you very much. in the meantime, the virginia race settled and done, you know, earthquake-like developments there with a republican going into the virginia governor's mansion. not so much attention paid in new jersey, even though it's still tight as a tick and the guy who lost the race isn't conceding the race. exactly why is that? 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>> a little bit. because new jersey is a middle of the road state. we genuinely tend to support moderates and so, i think one of the reasons the election was so close people thought that governor murphy was a little too liberal for new jersey and some of his taxing programs were harmful to people. i'm surprised and if he does continue on that path maybe next time we'll turn over the legislature. neil: what did you make of the fact that so many who had been lecturing democrats had been democrats. those who just fear that it's wokism that led to their problems, not even any of the spending or other stuff, just this sort of we know better than you approach? james carville was famous for saying that's what got in the way. what do you think? >> well, people are like that. people are tired of wokism, and i think-- i don't like the word, so i think that's definitely part of it and there's a trend not just in new jersey, but nationally that's favoring the republican party these days and i think people want -- people want something a little more certain, something they can ground themselves in and something that they and their families can count on for the future. neil: i know you don't like to weigh too much in politics, you always liked to the bigger issues, but i do notice chris christie at the vegas event, the republican event. he seems to be running for president, whether donald trump runs or not. what do you think? >> yes, i think that's correct. my suspicion is that he's considering it very, very seriously. he's a -- he'd be a strong candidate if he did, strongly articulate and widely known in the party. i think he'd be a very serious candidate if he did decide to consider it. neil: the party tiptoes the issue around donald trump, governor. they don't want to offend him and maybe the approach that glenn youngkin took in virginia might be a model going forward. >> well, jack ciattarelli took the same approach, some of the issues he stands for, but trump himself makes mistakes and says things that are unhelpful to candidates or the party. so the formula seems to be you can support some things that donald trump did and said, but you can't -- you don't want him in the middle of the race and being the issue. democrats tried that in new jersey and virginia they tried to make donald trump into the issue and morph the candidate in virginia and new jersey into donald trump, but they weren't donald trump and that comes into the stakes. neil: interesting, threading the proverbial needle there. governor, good to see you again. >> always good to see you. neil: tom kean, two-term governor of new jersey, not an anomaly of states. and he co-chaired 9/11. and one of the things talking about the infrastructure vote last night, it's not a commitment to the bigger spending package going forward. we'll take a look at real estate right now, like the markets it's a very hot commodity, something that zillow did wonders if the balloon has just been pierced after this. freedom unlimited. that means i earn on my bug spray and my sunscreen. you ready to go fishing? 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>> neil, thank you for your kind words, i have the utmost respect for you and i enjoy being on your show because i think i can actually clarify what's used as click bait in my opinion. this zillow announcement, people are saying that this may be an indication or a precursor to the market plummeting. i see it differently, i think it's a great indicator that the market continues to be extremely strong and you may think once again, i'm crazy, but my thinking behind that, in order to flip properties, you have to buy them at a discount and it's difficult to do that right now because the market continues to be strong because we have limited inventory in the market. so i think that zillow got a little ahead of themselves here and entering the flipping market when it just wasn't the right time. but i think also with adding to this announcement is the fact that the supply chain issues have added to the fact they haven't been able to renovate these homes as quickly as anticipated and labor shortages are causing delays so they anticipated to hold these homes for six to nine months and that's not occurring because of the delays. i think they attempted to enter the flipping market, kind of like a stock, if you will, and it's very different than the stock market. and also, i think one other important point and something that this announcement is making very clear is that real estate is very local. which means the need for a real estate agent in a local market is extremely important because even though we have these estimates, and, you know, the technology giving us estimates of what our home is worth, it's not 100% accurate so you really need a local professional in that market to do a proper assessment of your home. and i think that's really what i've noticed from this announcement. i think that the market is not going to depreciate. if anything, we are going to slow down because we've seen immense appreciation that's not sustainable, but i think that the market will continue to appreciate just at a slower pace. neil: let me ask you about the hot market you're in, that's florida and no surprise there without, you know, the state tax and the rest. of course, people are going to flood there. but price on properties have all soared at all points have rocketed as have real estate taxes there. they have real estate taxes and they need that money and that's rocketed as well. at that often times for buyers in that neck of the woods, we're seeing something similar in other hot markets, is a bit of sticker shock and a moment of pause. does that worry you? >> i think that property taxes are going up, obviously with people buying more homes and properties reassessed. the other point, insurance, insurance in florida, i'm in florida and i want to sell real estate in florida and cautious of the fact that people are not calculating that insurance will go up, that property taxes will go up. so that's important to take that into your overall expenses as you do purchase property in florida. i have to say that the market does continue to do well. we're seeing more inventory in the market and you know, things of frenzy are no longer here, but i think that people will continue to migrate to south florida, maybe not to the same degree we saw in the midst of the pandemic. if you're ultimately looking to make a purchase, it's important to take the advice of a real estate agency, as you saw with zillow, based their purchasing on estimates which are not 100% accurate and we'll see the supply chain issues for a bit longer into the future. neil: interesting. katrina, good catching up with you. >> thank you, neil. neil: from beautiful sunny florida. a lot of people, remember this week after the whole everything went down in virginia and new jersey, were saying, all right, this is an indictment against joe biden, he's not going to survive, none of his packages are going to get through and then the package gets through infrastructure one and look back in history, roughly at this time in his pregnant, ronald reagan was considered a one-termer. can you believe that? a message to you out there. let's look back at history before we start judging today. [upbeat music] >> all right, i want to think quick. what do joe biden and ronald reagan have in common? at first blush, neil, you say that's idiotic. nothing in common. what did i told you at this time in his presidency ronald reagan was close to a little nervous, not he himself, but the people around him, the inflation thing was going on. federal reserve was raising interest rates and job losses were mounting. a lot of people thought he was a one-termer, and republicans lost a lot of seats. now, flash to today, and joe biden, and even before the developments in virginia and in new jersey this week, there was a separate poll out that showed close to half of democrats were thinking, you know, maybe we need someone other than joe to lead the charge in 2024. to historical dr. eddie lee, winthrop university, history professor there, darned good one. doctor, thank you for joining us. we forget that. i see similar polls that thought it was naive of a young senator from massachusetts, john kennedy to run for the democratic nomination because he was too young and didn't have the gravitas or the background of bigger bench players and i'm hearing this about joe biden and hearing this, remembering what people thought of ronald reagan in the early days. so what are we to learn from all of this? >> well, neil, it's great to see you this morning. glad you're doing well. neil: thank you. >> ronald reagan was never worried about a second term and you don't need to be obsessed about the next election, you need to be thinking about the election that put you in office. and when i heard the president an hour and a half ago i thought with ronald reagan and the greatest president, abraham lincoln and fdr and all three of them were confident and optimistic and they were going to finish the job they were elected to in the one term that the american people had given them. neil: you know, that's a very good point, professor. you think about it, i do remember ronald reagan, they were getting nervous, maybe we've got to change things, the tax cuts, maybe going too far. he never veered he was so convinced that was the right direction. he was about the only one believing in himself, but he did. now, going to today, what do you think of joe biden could learn from that if he wants to? >> well, i think the lesson that the current president could learn, don't be defensive and don't blame your predecessor. [laughter] >> and i don't think that we can blame covid for everything. the american people have been through a lot. and back to abraham lincoln for a minute, neil. look at the civil war, seven states had left the union when lincoln was sworn in, but what lincoln did was, he took a deep breath and he knew that he had to restore the union, he had to win the war and then by 1863 he had to emancipate the enslaved people and now what? he did all of those things and he got reelected, too, by the way, lincoln did in 1864 he got reelected. he ran against one of his former generals, george mcclellen and he still got reelected and-- >> and they believed in themselves. that's a very good point, professor, winthrop university, keep in mind, it's only a snapshot, only now. that will do it, bye-bye. but when you switch to t-mobile they will pay off your phone so you can keep your current number and your phone! objection! what if you bought your phone at at&t or verizon? t-mobile will pay it off! switch to t-mobile and we'll pay off your phone. now up to a thousand bucks. do you rest? i do - but t-mobile never rests. >> tragedy in texas, at least eight killed and hundreds injured at the astroworld music festival when the crowd surged toward the stage as travis scott performed. welcome to fox news live, i'm griff jenkins. anita: . molly: i'm molly line. so many were injured in a mass casualty event. and they were quickly overwelcomed. >> hi, molly, yes, such a tragedy at what was expected to be a fun and lively event. eight people were killed and many m

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