what's happening in washington -- if only there were a pill to deal with this anxiety. welcome everybody, i'm neil cavuto, and this is "your world." growing concerns that the progressives and the moderates in the democratic party are not seeing eye to eye. of course very big and not progressive caucus saying that if moderates want to wait for a cbo score, progressives are willing to wait to vote on build back better and the infrastructure bills together. i think that's her way of saying, your way or our way or, well, i don't know, maybe the highway. chad pergram in washington with the very latest. >> good afternoon, neil. what you are seeing here are these fissures inside the democratic caucus. keep in mind, if the house moves ahead with the infrastructure vote today, they can probably pass it even if they have some attrition of votes on the democratic side of the aisle, because you have about 15 republicans who could vote for this in the house of representatives. this is the plan. we think there's going to be a vote on the infrastructure bill later today. that is something they want to do, the democrats don't have the votes to pass. they want to decouple infrastructure from the social spending plan. they held a passive of infrastructure. the house could show a win by aligning with the senate and passing infrastructure. progressives are pushing back on that. the g.o.p. says democrats are tone-deaf after tuesday's election. >> we've got thousands to millions of voters who just gave you a very clear message. and where the democrats today? breaking their own rules, setting new records of just keeping votes open, and trying to intimidate and bully members to vote for something. >> the house set a record for the length of the roll call vote, vote to adjourn just after 8:00 this morning and lasted more than seven hours per had lots of demand action. >> we've got to deliver, you've got to give don't market it on. >> they can only lose three votes. neil. >> neil: all right, chad. thank you very much for that. meanwhile, from the other pennsylvania avenue, some curious viewings of the president of the united states and what role he is plain and strong-arming something getting done. peter doocy is there with more. >> we've got eyes on the outside of the west wing. that means that whatever the president is doing it is most likely not in the oval office. he said earlier he was going to go into the oval office to make some calls. he spent most of his afternoon at the memorial service for the late colin powell. he also said very confidently earlier today that he was going to come out and answer questions after the house pass these bills. it is not clear if they are going to pass a bill or just a rule like chad was talking about. it's not clear if any of this is even going to happen today. a few minutes ago on the briefing room, officials said they are leaving it all up to nancy pelosi. >> he's going to continue to work the phones, stay in close touch, and state in lockstep with speaker pelosi on getting this done. there's a sense of urgency as you've heard us say. from all of the members on the hill to get this done for the american people. inaction is not the answer, so we will try to get this done. >> neil: a few things about that. when they say the president is working in lockstep with nancy pelosi, it appears that he's really letting her take the lead. that is a better way to think about this, because the white house can't even confirm if the two of them have talked today. the president also same two different things -- she said it's proof that the plan is working, but that means that the plan is working without these plans. and he same the way to continue economic recovery is to spend a few trillion taxpayer is more. is he going to go to his beach house the way that he wants to? stay tuned. >> neil: thank you my friend, peter doocy at the white house. they are bouncing around for the spending package as you are looking in washington just not too far outside of nancy pelosi's office. it's about a $2 trillion package, give or take a couple hundred billion. but the fact of the matter is that as things stand right now, it could be a lot pricier. they just completed an investigation into the whole thing. it could have easily double that. let's get the read from the guy crunching the numbers. the faculty director. professor, thank you for joining us. how did you come up with the much, much higher number? >> it was a reflection as is, as actually written, we estimate would increase spending by about 1.2 trillion over the next decade. and to raise about 1.56 trillion in new revenue. we've been asked by members of congress what would happen if some of the temporary spending was made more permanent, such as the child tax credit. that is where there's this alternative scenario we have to make a total of spending would be about 4.26 trillion. so more than double over the next decade. spew on the white house took up this figure that you and your colleagues came up with and disputed it. this is from just a short while ago. >> the biggest problem with pen wharton's report is that they didn't model the actual bill. for one thing, they incorrectly assumed just 1.56 trillion in offsets when the bill back better agenda is fully paid for with over $2 trillion that the president outlined in the build back better framework. >> neil: what do you think of that, professor? >> right, the legislation has written in terms of the build back better framework we estimate at 1.5 trillion. and we issued a brief last week that compared the numbers versus the white house. so we just have different numbers. and a disagreement about how much each item would bring in. that comes down to some of the tax provisions as well as some of the offsets. for example, for the irs, they conducted a much larger number. >> neil: if you are larger number is accurate, then there is some saying that even your larger number is conservative when all is said and done. the taxes to pay for it is not there. this isn't paid for. this is a long way from being paid for. >> we estimate it will bring in an additional $190 billion over the next ten years. it will give even less money -- traditionally irs funding would not be scored under the assumption that they pay their taxes anyway. so our number is bigger than what cbo would produce based on previous graphics. >> neil: i would be curious for your view on a lot of moderate democrats who are waiting for a score from the cbo and not some other -- whether it's considered unbiased or not. they are holding out for that. do you think that is a wise strategy? do you think that the seal of approval, or at least the stand from the cbo is crucial to moving forward? >> historically, the congressional budget office is the official score for the u.s. congress. we've had differences with them in the past including over the tax cuts and job attacks. it's not -- we have different ways of modeling and it is a friendly relationship. sometimes our numbers are larger than the cbo, sometimes they are smaller. we document in great detail how we got those numbers. >> neil: thank you very, very much. it's sort of roiling democrats right now, because the numbers show that this thing is twice as expensive as it's being built. on top of that, also on top of the heat that joe manchin is getting right now, he has a sympathetic former colleague. [shouting] ♪ ♪ this is yours. thanks, dad. -there's more to it. find the perfect present at the one place that has all that you need. ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ [indistinct] >> joe manchin continuing to get grief, this time outside a parking garage in washington, d.c., following up on a similar protest outside of his home. but he continues as the target is simply because he wants to wait to look at this, not rush for all the spending. the former senator and former vice presidential candidate said that it goes back to a time that maybe we could talk to each other. lots to get into there. senator, very good to have you. what do you think of what your former colleague is getting into? almost every other day. >> first, neil, welcome back. i'm so glad you are feeling better. we were all concerned about you. i would say that i feel joe manchin's fame, because of been there a few times, but i know joe and i know his record. he's just doing what he's always done. he is a centrist. he may be more liberal on some things, conservative on the others, but he's always moving to the center to try to bring different opinions together to get something done. and that is exactly what the government in washington needs instead of all the catcalling and attacks and counterattacks. i think joe manchin is single-handedly saving the republic from the adoption of some legislation that would probably increase the debts. the second bill being considered in the house now. incidentally, although the democrats don't seem to appreciate it, i think joe manchin has saved the democratic party from a political disaster if that bill is adopted, because as we saw in virginia, and to some extent in new jersey, people got the message that those programs sounded good. somebody was going to have to pay for them. and it was going to be the taxpayer. >> neil: you know it's interesting? and i want to get into your book a little bit, because you talk about a centrist not necessarily being a matter of liberal or conservative, but there are bigger issues for your party or your former party to deal with right now. and no less than james carville kind of kept it this way on what the dash go take a look at this. >> defund the police is take abraham lincoln's name off the stools? people see that. it is just really a suppressive effect all across the country. some of these people need to go to a woke detox center or something. especially the language people just don't use. there's a backlash and a frustration at that. >> neil: what did you make of that, senator? >> first off, i love the idea of a woke detox center. secondly, james is right. there's some groups in the democratic party, may be the so-called wing, that if you just keep creating programs, don't charge anybody. but we saw something -- and the voter's book the voters are always the way our government gets a message. they were focused on so-called cultural issues like the once james is talking about than they were whether the $4 trillion bill was going to pass congress, because it's not their values. they know they need the police, they respect abraham lincoln. they don't want their kids to downgrade america. and unless the democratic party goes back to some of those mainstream, american values, the values that built our country, the democratic candidates are not going to win my collections. >> neil: senator, was wondering how this happens to the democratic party. every party goes through these "what are we" stages. it does seem to me that progressives running the show are arguing about dealing with both of these measures at the same time, no matter what moderate say. at the president seems to be on their side. do you see it that way? do you see the progressives and may be by doubling down even after these contests, have not changed? >> i think the progressives, particularly in the house, but also in the senate, have more influence in the democratic party and unfortunately, apparently, with the biden white house than their numbers at titled him to. a lot of democrats were worried that bernie sanders was going to get nominated and he would never defeat donald trump. now biden comes then come overly and all my years, 24 in the sen, really a centrist, always building bipartisan coalitions and he beat trump for that reason. looking for someone to bring people together. the country is hungering for unity. than the left and the democratic party began to demand and demand and pulled the white house in that direction. >> neil: there is no history to this, right? there's actually a lot of great dirt and your book. but in the dash you talk about in 2008 when john mccain was very seriously entertaining neil as a running mate. but the carl rhodes play dough my playing a key role. what happens done, could you explain that? >> first off, you've got to give mccain credit i said john, i love you, you are one of my best friends ever, but there's a problem here. what's that, he said. i said you are republican, i said i'm a democrat. he said, that's a the point! he said the country needs, wants a bipartisan ticket. they are sick of the bipartisanship. >> neil: was he saying don't even consider it? >> he didn't talk me out of it, because i said to him that -- he said it would be a bad idea. he said if mccain chooses you, x will do in his nomination. and it will ruin the republican party. while matt, i said. i doubt it. >> neil: look at what happened. a financial meltdown took care of that. early quickly, it was carl rhodes who helped you get elected senator as an independent, right. so it was a given thing? >> it was strange. he told me early in 2006, i was about to lose the primary to an anti-iraq war candidate who campaigned against me only in that basis. and he said president bush really appreciates your support. i said, if you run as a independent, we will help you all we can. i had no idea what they were thinking about, but they did. and boy, that is really centrism and bipartisanship. it really speaks. it speaks to the man george bush was. amen. >> neil: and you too. there is some funny and intriguing dirt in your book. of course, the senator is not going to -- but it's very good stuff. it reminds you of a fact of the time, we kind of talk to each other. there's a concept. not so long ago. i hear you. senator, thank you. thank you very, very much. thank you for the kind words. in the meantime, this was a big development today. i know you are think it about washington and everything else. but a pill to treat covid. can you imagine? 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's greetings from au. >> neil: nancy pelosi coming out of her office now. maybe an update on what we stand on this twin spending bill drama. >> the presidents agenda to pass a bipartisan infrastructure framework for good pain jobs across the country. building the infrastructure of our country to help clean the air with safer bridges, for safety for the american people. to help people communicate better, whether it's telemedicine, commerce. there is other elements in the legislature that is very important to the success of our economy. but in order to build back better, we are going to do that by passing the build back better bill, there's a big difference. it's been transformative for women in the workforce. we had hoped to be able to move on today. some members want more consultation or validation of numbers that have been put forth. it is top line. and we honor that request. so today we hope to pass the rules on build back better with the idea that before thanksgiving we will get the numbers that they are requesting. if that's how long it takes. then we will have a thanksgiving gift for the american people. i do want to thank the congressional black caucus for the creative alternatives that they presented today. that advances the agenda, to do so in a way that is historic and transformative. also distinguish the majority leaders of the house. >> thank you very much, madam speaker. they give for the hard work that you and your work organizations have put forward in terms of getting it done. they are the president's vision of a better and stronger america, a more competitive america. an america that reaches out to its working men and women, its families, to its children to educate them, to seniors, to make sure that they are cared for properly. these two bills will make, as the president says, a generational change for our country. i believe that the votes today to pass the infrastructure bill and to provide for a pay it forward by adopting the rules for the passage of the build back better legislation. it will be a giant step forward. and i am absolutely convinced beyond a doubt that before thanksgiving, the week of the 15th, we will pass the build back better legislation. all members of our caucus, almost every member has indicated, and i believe we will have an overwhelming democratic vote and pass on our side of the aisle, the build back better legislation. i would now like to yield to my friend, jim clyburn, who's been so important in moving this bill forward. >> thank you for your vision, getting this to where we are today. i think what we are about to do -- it's a piece of legislation that will be very transformative in our community. if you look at the so-called infrastructure bill, we see funding that gets us to about 70% of the way and her country. that, to me, is very, very important. you're not going to be able to have the kind of medicare we need unless we have telemedicine and telehealth. you're not going to have that unless they have online learning. and rural businesses are not going to be able to thrive unless you have just-in-time delivery of their services and their products. it's a big deal for me. if you look at the communities that i represent, many of them ruled. these communities with this bill -- this kind of development that needs to keep these communities a factor for future growth and development. this bill gets us a long ways down that road. not to mention what it does for our courts in my district. and now -- mercedes-benz is made in north charleston. and these kinds -- the bmw, they've got to have the ability to get these products out. so this infrastructure bill is huge for the community that i represent. and then that gets us to the rule. the rule on build back better. in build back better, the reason we got handed that bill is because that is where so much of what we need for families to get to where they need to be for their communities to get to where they need to be -- children in that field is where we need to make it permanent for another year. the tax credits for children, tax reduction i call it, for families of children. this is very important, not to mention the other part of the family that is taken care of through that bill. so we are not -- this is what we have to do for the cost of pharmaceuticals. i try to use the word medicine. rather than the drugs -- the cost of pharmaceuticals. the cost there is in build back better. so i think that the strong support, if not the unanimous support of the bill. so for us, the infrastructure bill -- if the president is -- if he can keep the job rural. about this moving forward, that's a huge deal for us. and then we will go on to do the rules so we can go home and await these final numbers coming from wherever they've got to come from. and what we need to do to pass that bill sometimes into the future. >> madame speaker -- >> can i say how important it is -- once we have a vote, it will pass to the floor. all of our members voting for the rule that we will pass -- distinguishing that set as well. in the rural vote, people have to understand this is the threshold. [indistinct] >> we hope to have as many democrats as possible. >> madame speaker! a couple questions on that. a statement indicating that they will not support the caucus, the progressive caucus, the infrastructure bill if it goes without build back better, that he would rather wait until the cdo score comes back. have you spoken to her, and do you have the boats right now for the infrastructure bill? >> we talk to each other quite regularly. in fact, it is a constant conversation among all of us and her caucus. and the fact is, we believe it is necessary to pass so that these jobs can come online as soon as possible. we have waited a while. we had hoped to have it sooner, but we cannot wait too much longer. i do believe there's a large numbers of the congressional caucus who will vote for the bill. that is my understanding. the official count -- i think the secret count. i don't tell anything, not even you, my dear. but i have a pretty good feeling. >> do you have 218 votes to pass this? >> we will see, won't we. [indistinct] >> there's going to be votes, there's not going to be a vote, there's going to be a vote, there's not going to be a vote. at some point do you think the democrats want to get out of the way? >> welcome to my world. [laughter] the vitality of diversity is something that we all respect and admire. we are not a lockstep party, we are not just a one person -- everyone needs to show up. we value and treasure and respect the different opinions within our party. it is one of the challenges that we have, because i've been here a long time. really in those days, all of this would be done, but not a 24/7 platform where their opinions and character characterizationsare going on. i see every challenge as an opportunity. >> what did your message to progressive say when they will not vote for this infrastructure bill? >> neil: we are having some difficulty there. a surprising development, there's a big divide between nancy pelosi and some of these progressives. it seems like she's signaling and infrastructure vote as soon has to day. let's check in again. >> they want to see progress in their communities, job creation. but not only that, what they will create in terms of mass transit to protect the air, water projects to protect the water that their children drink. help people learn, buy, sell, and get health care. but the list goes on and on. it's very important that we pass it. i hope that they would make it a judgment. >> the inability to pass this today -- what does this show to the american people -- >> what are you -- this is the first major step. we have never -- with all due respect, characterization. we are in the best place today to be able to go forward. we have not have this level of progress and bipartisan infrastructure framework, job creation, legislation, and the opportunity to have a path to build back better and for women. and for women, because there's so much in there that is liberating for women, women in the workplace. whether it's child care, whether it's eldercare, health care, children learning, parents earning, the tax credit that helps pay the bills. in so many ways, we are very proud of the fact that in this legislation, we've had the opportunity for people in this role to be taken under the affordable care act. this is transformational. anything i mentioned -- everything i mentioned is appointed by governor mention. there may stem dough might be some things that they will add and subtract, but over 90% of the bill was house, senate, white house. there's a couple of things that may be different, we will deal with those. but this is again historic and two giant steps. [indistinct] >> once the vote comes up, okay? >> some voters say -- >> thank you. >> neil: all right, will that really didn't solve anything. nancy pelosi indicating that they are making progress on the build back better plan with $2 trillion measure. number two in the house saying that maybe before thanksgiving that could be done and maybe they are going to attempt to get the infrastructure only measure it done with a vote as soon as today. when it comes to progressives, they are clearly not on the same page. a short while ago, california democratic congressman had said that he wants both bills to go together. said that at the end of those waiting for cbo scores, that's a disingenuous position. we excerpt dome occurred as well in the progressive caucus that it is either together, or none. that certainly ends the kind of sentiment they are overlaying here. so to chad pergram now in the insignificance of all this and if anything we can expect today, tonight, what do you think? >> what you are seeing right now are the fractures inside the democratic caucus and the challenge of governing when you only have a three seat majority in the house of representatives. nancy pelosi has these wings of her caucus, the liberals, the moderates here, and this is where they shall meet. this is when you have just three votes, you need everybody on the same page when you are trying to do big things. it is obvious that the moderates were very displeased with trying to go ahead and vote today without a final price tag on this bill from the congressional budget office. and i've been told in the past few minutes that there's a coalition of the progress of members who say that they will not vote for the infrastructure bill if they put that on the floor, because those bills are not writing together. remember that that was the demand of the progressives. this is where nancy pelosi said we will find out. keep in mind, you do have some republicans, anywhere from 9-15 republicans, who could make up the difference. this is all about the mouth as i always say. if you have a significant number or do some of those republicans in a mock of alien way perhaps see this as an opportunity to give democrats a loss and withdrawal their support. indicating earlier today that this would not help any of the republicans running and 2022. here's the timing. what they have to do is they have to have a predebate, predebate to set up the parameters, this is called the rule in the house of representatives, on the social spending bill. they are not going to put that piece of legislation on the floor. then they would vote on infrastructure. remember that the house of representatives did everything that they had to do several weeks ago on this bill. the senate approved that piece of legislation in early august, so if the house passes that bill, those two bills are in alignment and can go to the president for his signature. i got, here's the other problem he started to run into from a timing and schedule perspective. the senate majority leader, chuck schumer, indicated he wanted to start debate and his chamber on the 15th of november. you've heard him say that maybe we will pass the social spending plan the week of november 15th and then get this done by thanksgiving. if you are waiting for the house to get this done, the senate is going to take a lot longer to get this done. if you have problems, here's the other thing you are staring at. december 3rd, that is the date that the government is scheduled to shut down. so neil, we've talked about this many times before. maybe what they do is lob all of these issues together. but again, democrats have been very resistant about talking about deadlines. we had the president come to the capital in late september. we thought there was going to be a vote then. they did not. he went away and instead sat out there for a month and he came a little more than a week ago, thought there was going to be about done. we thought we might be here all weekend. nothing there. the longer you let these bills sit out there, as i always say, it's kind of like houseguests and fish. people start to find more problems. by the same token, they start to ripen sometimes. there is kind of the parliamentary equivalent of the stockholm syndrome. if you keep everybody here over a period of time, and that's not exactly what they are doing here, but if you keep people here trudging through the same trenches day and after day, they'd cry uncle at some point. if they were to stay there this weekend, they don't think that's the case, they don't have the votes and you are not going to get a cbo score for at least a week, we can do half. that is why it's not worth their time to burn the effort over the weekend here and may be vote the first of the week monday, sunday, tuesday, some combination thereof. >> neil: i'm one of those guys who says -- it's not like fish, i'm a blue whale. i am curious what you make of nancy pelosi's strategy. it seems like she's almost calling the progressive members bluff. that they will vote for infrastructure, she said, but that conflicts with many of them who have said no, if you force it this way, we will opt out. it's a will there be a vote on infrastructure or not? is she going to roll that as soon as tonight? >> neil: that's the plan here, that they would consider the predebate on the social spending plan. >> do you take the progressives at state value? >> neil: a lot of times members will vote for the rule. that is a different vote. you have to have -- if the rule goes down, then you are in real trouble because you cannot bring the underlying piece of legislation to the floor. that is why the rule is so important. it establishes how you play the game that day. >> neil: got it, chad. thank you very much. chad pilgrim following these developments. just think, if miraculous drugs had to come to the market the same way they get things done or presumably tried to get done in washington, i don't think 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bolt disease, pneumonia, obesity, heavy smokers, et cetera. that means that ten people of this population, only one would go -- the difference, not only for the health care system, but also for the individuals. the treatment was done at home, because these are pills. so this is really a game changer. >> neil: explain, doctor, how it would work. what is the regiment for this? how many pills do you take over what period of time? >> you take ten pills does you take two pills one morning and one pill in the evening for five days. and there's additional pill you take once per day, so three pills a day and reality. >> neil: at the first sign of symptoms, is that when you should take this? or can it be after that? how would you describe who benefits from this? >> they started to show that a dip worked extremely well, even a bit later. we had 89% effectiveness for people that start at the within three days that have been diagnosed, but when we expanded that to five days with and being diagnosed, it was 85%. so very relevant, very similar. >> neil: what if you have already been vaccinated? is there a benefit to this? >> i think vaccines are made to protect people, not to get disease. and people should not confuse the two. people should get vaccinated. and they should be able to protect themselves and their families by doing that, because otherwise they can spread the disease. but there is a percentage that would not be vaccinated and there is always big numbers. right now they are having covid every day in the united states. this is a wonderful tool, medical tool and the heads of the doctors to keep those people alive, to start with, but also out of the hospitals. so it is a significant difference. and before all treatments for injectables, you had basically had to go to hospital, or a medical environment to get the treatment. now you can do it at home. very big difference. >> neil: just to be clear, doctor, normally if you test positive for covid, as i was a couple of weeks ago, and i was fully vaccinated with the vaccination -- it would've been a lot worse had i not been. i understand that. but the immediate treatment was antibodies, that sort of thing. how does your pill deal with breakthrough cases or those who are close to them? >> first of all, as with all things, the doctor should examine the individual and make a decision as to which is the best course of treatment. but how the pills are designed to work, it is once you are diagnosed with covid, instead of going -- what you are doing here, take the pills at home so that you do not end up in the hospital. they need to be administered at the hospitals. >> neil: with this pill be available to kids? >> no, we started the pill from at the age of 18 years of age and above. and we have two other starters that are ongoing right now. these are people that do not have comp abilities, and are also vaccinated and have breakthrough cases. we tested and another study for protecting the household members of someone who could get the disease. so if someone gets the disease, you give not only the pills to him, but also you give the pills to the people living with him at home. so that we prevent them getting the disease. but so far, 18 years and above. >> neil: the story line is that you and your were so impressed, about 600 individuals, you immediately stopped to try to move forward with the emergency approval. where does that stand? >> we stopped enrolling more patients we have enrolled already in this study way more than 2,000 patients. we don't plan to enroll anymore. we are going to file these results likely before thanksgiving to the fda and the european authorities, canada, et cetera. they are continuing enrolling. standard risk and household contacts. they should give us results in the first quarter. >> neil: the study participants as i understand were unvaccinated, right? >> this study is high risk people. they were all unvaccinated, all of them. all of them had come in addition to being disease with covid, they were diagnosed with covid, they had also other diseases. the most difficult population. i expect it will be easier to demonstrate the results. >> neil: can you give me an idea and you get the kind of approval that you're looking for, about the rollout of this? >> yes, i think one, it is regular preapproval. i can't speak about how long fda will take. i can tell you that we will submit before the end of the month, likely before thanksgiving. then it's up to them to give the approval. i expect they will do it quickly, sometime in december. we have already this year we will have a few million pills. manufacturing should be around, let's say, 2 million pills, around 200,000 doses. because we have ten pills, as i said, for treatment. and we should be able to year, in the year 2022, we are gearing to produce 500 million pills, 50 million treatments. all that is because we have invested at risk without knowing whether we have the product or not and started manufacturing almost six months ago. right now, now that we know that not only do we have a pill that we have a very effective pill, so we are revisiting our forecast as to how many doses the world might need. we will try to see how we can increase even further the 500 million pills, 50 million treatments that we are planning to manufacture. >> neil: what would be the cost? >> the cost is, negotiating with governments. it will be way less then the antibodies. i think it should be less than half of the antibodies, the cost. >> neil: monoclonal antibody treatment available now, this would be dramatically less than that? >> yes. >> neil: all right. dr. albert bourla, the head of pfizer, the ceo, on the remarkable development today and if it pans out along with merck also getting u.k. approval for its pill to treat covid is a big game changer. take a look at what it did alone to pfizer's stock, better than 10%. another $30 billion in market value. pfizer, very dominant player in this entire covid relief arena including a vaccine just approved in kids as young as five. the treatment with booster shots that is now all the rage. a stunning development all away across the board, so stunning it's among the reason that all three stock market averages broke to new highs today. very strong employment report, more than half a million americans found jobs didn't hurt. this one sealed the deal. that will do it. here comes "the five." ♪ ♪ >> jesse: hello, everybody. i'm jesse watters with lawrence jones, jessica tarlov, dagen mcdowell, pete hegseth. it's 5:00 in new york city and this is "the five." nfl superstar aaron rodgers taking a flamethrower to the local mob in his first public comments after catching a covid. giving --

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