post" that we're reliving china's sputnik moment. that it has an advanced technology here that is so unusual that people are starting to say where did they come up with this low missile technology that completely defies what we thought they were able to come up with on their own? the big question right now, is it whether this hypersonic missile that can fly in a low orbit, just the fact that they have it but we had no idea that they were anywhere close to it. let's get the read right now from lieutenant colonel vandy davis on the significance of this. danny, looking at this and our surprise that they have, even though china is backing away from talk that they have it, but they clearly have something. what do you make of it? >> yeah, i'm a little puzzled at why everybody is acting like this is some sort of surprise, this is not a sputnik moment. the russians were the first one in to space. at the very best, china is third in line here. they're just trying to catch up. russia already has a hypersonic missile. we have one. it's important to point out as far back as 2016, the dod reports that they've been warning about it and every year since that china is working on this. so there's no surprise here. but neil, the most important thing is that this doesn't change anything in capacity because china already has had icbms that were faster than anything we could deflect anyway. doesn't change the capacity. just shows that china is developing modernizing country that we have to take seriously. >> neil: i'm wondering the significance of a hypersonic missile. how would distinguish it from the ballistic missile that we thought they had and it's widened to this? >> it's a technological advancement. that's why we're pursuing it so heavily. so the mess sill defenses in the process of being developed, not yet on the boards, cannot take care of even the icbms. this would not mean even what they're working on if they get it, it's not sufficient. so we have to develop new ones, new capabilities to defend against it. >> neil: is it difficult to track, it has more flexibility? how would you describe it? >> yeah, it's so much faster than anything else, that's why they call it the hypersonic glide vehicle. many with maneuver. it's much faster than the already very fast icbms that we know of. >> neil: colonel, you think about this with their very advanced space program, they launched three individuals into space, going to stay up there for six months, not the international space station but their own space station. they have a rover on mars as we speak. they explored the dark side of the moon. they brought back lunar samples back on their lunar vehicle. you can say they're way behind us. but that's in a little more than a couple years. they're investing more in space than every other country combined. what do you think about that? >> they are. but really illustrates that we have just become accustomed to china to being like this third rate power. they're not even a near peer competitor. they're now demonstrating that they are. but this doesn't add anything, nothing to our security risk, because the soviet union, the russians have had these capabilities much more advanced. we deter them all the time. we have a 20 fold nuclear advantage over china even with this. so this is just for them to enhance their deterrent but in no way does it add to strike first because they know we would annihilate them. >> neil: we were showing you all the late space initiatives that china has embarked on, including three astronauts that will be at their own space station for the better part of six months. some of these others on the moon and mars. so thanks very much. we appreciate that. the implications of this for a country that has a lot of money to spend. keep in mind, china run as surplus with this country to the tune of half a trillion dollars but almost with every other country on earth. that's the currency that they're tapping for these big initiatives. let's ged the read from dean chang from the heritage foundation. dean, where are they coming up with this money? this is serious money. >> well, this is serious money because the chinese have a high savings rate. two, they have a state-run banking system and they have a lot of state-owned enterprises. so chinese companies can afford to invest in places where they will never make a profit because there's political advantages to be gained. it helps chinese r&d, it's important to know that they have a substantial r&d program, but it's by theft. >> part of that alleged theft is the supersonic missile technology to so i nothing of the rover that is right now driving around on mars that mimics to a tee our own. where do they get this stuff so quickly? >> well, it's a combination of things. on the one hand, they have a massive cyber espionage program. the chinese military steals commercial secrets in no other way. the part of this chinese companies are very flexible. they are able to turn on a dime to start production in short order that in turn is in part because they face a lot fewer regulatory aspects. it takes forever to start a new factory in the united states. we have not built a new oil refinery in 30 years. chinese is building nuclear power plants, oil refineries. you can be sure that they don't go through the regulations that an american company would have to. >> neil: i'm wondering what they're building here. what do you think? >> so i think one of the most important things and i agree with colonel davis is issue is not the hypersonic glide vehicle. it's the fact that it went into orbit. didn't just go up and come down. it went around the earth at least once. what that means is that we now have to look at every chinese satellite as a possible nuclear delivery system. this is something that we and the russian as greed on during the cold war. this was highly destabilizing. both sides they would not develop a fractional orbital bombardment system. if this system has gone into orbit before coming down is a game-changener the sense that now we have a much less stable world and much more potential threats. >> neil: this comes with the context that there's provocative moves around taiwan and innovating taiwanese airspace and threatening with their own fishermen looking for squid. i saw that and i said, is there a way to piece this together? are they assuming or amassing something and challenging the united states thinking that it won't do anything or should do anything. >> the chinese are pushing all their neighbors, pushing taiwan, japan, india. they're deaths along the border. we're seeing a china that looks at what happens in kabul and afghanistan. they look at john kerry saying that we should lift sanctions on chinese solar panels because solar panels and climate change is more important than human rights. they're seeing on america that seems to be in retreat. >> neil: thanks very much. china has officially said nothing on this. this was an empty tweet. some of the technology and images are proprietary and china has been accelerating their program like the martian initiatives that they didn't have a little more than 18 months ago. another development to follow and what's going on in afghanistan right now. the effort to get people who are trapped there out of there even though our soldiers have long left there. trey yingst with more. trey? >> neil, good afternoon. 365 people were evacuated from afghanistan today and brought here to doha. we were on that flight and at the airport in the afghan capitol of kabul speaking with these civilians. many of them afghan citizens but there were other foreign nationals including americans. we talked with one man that worked in virginia and another man in maryland. they shared the since of relief of getting out of taliban-controlled territory. there's a real understanding about the deteriorating security system that does includes threats from isis k and they understand that many people were left behind. here's what it was like on the tarmac earlier today. >> it's october 18. we're back in taliban-controlled afghanistan. evacuation flights are continuing. this story is not over. there's thousands of allies still stuck in the country. their safety and security is a major concern or the the international community. >> extremely excited. we're feeling great to get back home and our business and our work. >> we also talked to the taliban's acting foreign minister today who down played reports of people being trapped inside the country. the reality on the ground for so many, especially those that worked with the americans in the past is quite different. there's thousands of u.s. allies trapped in afghanistan with no way out. neil? 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mario cordero from the long beach port. where are we right now on this whole cargo impasse, if you will? >> thanks, neil. >> neil: thank you. >> first of all, we're doing here at the port of long beach and part of the nation's -- the largest container port complex. we're exploring all options with regard to how we move this cargo with velocity as opposed to with volatility. thus came the subject matter of 24/7, which i referenced a couple years back. one of the things we're doing, again, extending the hours. we have a 24/7 pilot project. there's challenges. everybody has to be on board. obvious, that includes the trucking community. >> let me ask you about the 24/7 and whether it will make a significant difference, especially in that last report was right from jonathan serrie. it's a matter of getting the trucks to the ships to get the stuff off the ships and get them out. >> sure. absolutely. it's a matter of the supply chain being 24/7. it's problematic for a immediate turn around in terms of how you flip the switch. the good news is the collaboration has been had with everybody in the supply chain, being truckers, warehouses, the port authorities. there's a lot of robust discussion with regard to what needs to be done in the short term. >> martha: the one thing i don't understand and you heard the transportation secretary say this is on demand. he said we were a economy in park and now it's driving on all cylinders and that that prompted this. that begs the question then if we knew that that was going to happen, demand would spike to the degree it has. why not move earlier to go 24/7? >> well, that's a great question. again, there's a complex of factors of why we're here today with the situation before us. to that point, neil, that's why back in 2018 i mentioned to this industry about the fact that we needed to move to a 24/7 mindset. so i think for those that may question that, obviously there's legitimate concerns in terms of how fast you do that. on the other hand, had we been 24/7, we would have mitigated the situation we have today. e commerce. we can't escape the fact that americans have elevated at a double digit percentile the use of e commerce, e commerce 24/7. >> neil: so it was a demand issue. the economy was booming back then. we discovered so much of what we like and buy comes from china or comes from asia. even the dependency on china and pulling things back a little bit screws up everything, right? >> it is a global issue. again, whether it's in asia or the united states, europe, this is a global supply disruption. again, the one good thing about the united states in terms of our gdp growth that is estimated for 2021, 6%, could be more. consumeder demand has a healthy appetite here in the usa. >> neil: what are the most likely things that you think could be difficult to have under your tree this christmas if you just start now? >> well, if you start now, we hope that you'll be able to obtain your -- complete your holiday shopping. there's the risk that you might be short changed. >> neil: like electronics? >> i think everything is on that list. toys, electronics, furniture. you name it. i think again, it's a variety of the commodities that are being addressed in terms of what we need to do to make a better christmas or better holiday season. we all a grow the holiday season for 2021 will be better than 2020 for a number of reasons. >> neil: i hope you're right on that. thanks, mario. a busy job, the port of long beach. all right. speaking of heavy duty responsibility, the president of the united states and working with democrats trying to say programs we'll do away with, others we'll compromise on. aishah hasnie is in the middle of that debate. aishah? >> democrats on the hill say they're most certainly making progress on the president's agenda. but in order to meet their deadlines means big cuts, big heart aches and bad blood. more ahid on that from the hill. at t-mobile for business, unconventional thinking means we see things differently, so you can focus on what matters most. whether it's ensuring food arrives as fresh as when it departs... being first on the scene when every second counts... or teaching biology without a lab. we are the leader in 5g and a partner who delivers exceptional customer support and 5g included in every plan. so, you get it all, without trade-offs. unconventional thinking, it's better for business. ♪ limu emu & doug ♪ got a couple of bogeys on your six, limu. they need customized car insurance from liberty mutual so they only pay for what they need. what do you say we see what this bird can do? 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if it takes six minutes or six weeks, we're going to get this plan done. well, a little bit of a different tone coming from the white house today. watch. >> the president is feeling an urgency to move things forward, to get things done. you've seen that urgency echoed by members on the hill that a agree time is unending here and we need to move forward. >> time is not unending here. this comes as potus will host two more meetings tomorrow. one with moderates, one with progressives. moderates and progressives still don't have an agreed upon price tag for this big social spending plan. biden conceded last week it will not be $3.5 trillion. because of that, neil, some of their social programs may get cut down. that is leading to some bad blood out there. let's take climate change. senator joe manchin opposing a $150 billion clean energy initiative that would have targeted coal and gas plants. friday, senator bernie sanders blasted manchin for not siding with democrats. manchin hit back saying "i will not vote for a reckless expansion of government programs. no op-ed from a self-declared independent socialist will change that." democrats say other democrats remain hopeful something will get done. >> the good news here, at least we're beginning to get some of the cards on the table from senator manchin and senator sinema. you have to do that in order to take the negotiations further and get a deal. >> less than two weeks away from that self-imposed halloween deadline, not to mention the other deadlines that are quickly approaching. neil? >> neil: amazing, aishah hasnie. let's go to phil wegman of real clear politics. i'm going to ask you outright, can they score a deal? forget about by the end of the month. the end of the year. >> this is lasting longer than anything expected. to narrow this down, just to sort of say where we're at, the white house has always wanted to spend a big bucket of money. moderates have succeeded in negotiating a smaller bucket of money. progressives, they're recentful that we're talking about a bucket and not a 55 gallon drum. so now that there's some sort of employment that this is going to be in the $2 trillion neighborhood, what we're seeing is you have a lot of members that are not having the most high-minded principal discussions but instead are doing old fashioned log rolling, pitting parochial interests against parochial interests. sometimes like aishah pointed out, there's bad blood. >> neil: you would almost think that manchin -- they're open to a couple of trillion dollars of spending, right? 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they don't want the vaccine thing to be forced on them. they quit or essentially shutout without pay if they don't. >> neil, this is a no-brainer. you're police officers, a public servant. your public servants that come in contact with citizens daily. get the damn vaccine. get the mandate. get it over with. you have a union president encouraging his officers not to comply with the mask mandate to get the vaccine. the last union president died allegedly of covid. just this morning, and my condolences go out, colon powell, a wonderful man has died of covid. this is a serious thing. these officers do not have the right to dictate to the city the manner in which they're going to work. they can bargain. the unions do it all the time. but get the vaccine. get the needle in your arm. you're protecting not only yourself but the citizens and you're protecting your families that you have to go home to every night. this is just so dumb and stupid. >> neil: let know know where you're coming from. i wasn't sure. i'm curious, if they don't and she's going to force the issue and a good many of them leave and almost half the force doesn't show up or they have to wait a long time, chicago is in danger. >> the city would be in danger. it's difficult to believe that law enforcement officers would desert the city under these circumstances. if they do, i think the governor has to step in, bring in state police officers to protect the citizens. citizens looking at this are asking, why are you being so childish, police officers? 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gary kaltbaum with us right now. gary, unlikely as that seems, we couldn't have envisioned 75 and $80 a barrel gallon oil. >> and lumber did an eiffel tower move. it came back down. so you don't know what distortions are out there. bottom line, if we get near that, the economy won't take it. we have a deficit laden economy where we're getting off the back of covid. the profits fall off the cliff, unemployment heads up and consumers head south. and bar the door if that occurs. >> neil: i'm wondering about the spill-over effect. we talked about the bottle neck of the nation's ports and the drivers to get the stuff off the ships. sounds like the supply chain disruption is a fact of life for a while. >> it's a pain in the rear. all you have to do is go to stores. there's a lot of shelves that are empty right now. if this continues and there's not enough supply and too much demand, prices will be forced up. that's another problem for the economy moving forward. they have to watch this. this is big stuff. >> neil: thanks, gary. you've heard a great deal about the life and message of colon powell. the one thing that stood out to me knowing him and getting the ability to chat with him is his calm demeanor and big belief that you must treat people like human beings. an ancient concept, i suppose. remembering that message and that man after this. what's going on? 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>> i can't answer that, because it is not what i know now, it's what i knew then. what i knew then and believe then the best on based on all of the intelligence that came to me, and intelligence that came to the president come the intelligence that was coming from other nations, united kingdom, elsewhere, the same intelligence that went to the congress all the senators in the congress, and the same intelligence that president clinton used to undertake military action in 1998 with president made the right decision. >> afghanistan is looking to put out pretty big cuts looking for $45 billion in the next ten years, how doable is that and how much would the u.s. pay? >> we are all going to have to contribute to afghanistan's not even reconstruction, construction and the first estate. this is a very broken country and everybody back there comes back with the same tail, everything is needed. police force, military functions, health care system, freshwater, housing, education, you name it. so the international community has a lot of work to do. >> you have the highest approval ratings of any leader or close to world leader. on earth. in fact, in this country you are the most respected public figure, just judging by polls, do you ever look at that, mr. secretary and say, president powell sounds good? >> no. >> at all? >> no. i made my decision in 1995, i considered how i should spend the next phase of my life after leaving the military, and spending a little time in the private sector, i decided that to develop my time working with young people as i did for a number of years, and president bush gave me this opportunity to serve the nation again, i serve it again as secretary of state. i know who i am and i know what i can do and what i am good at and i don't think i would be so good at, and elective politics was not the right thing for me to do. >> neil: he never did come he never did challenge bill clinton for the second term as many people thought he might, he did not. but he served nobly at a number of presidents over the years, in fact, the president he worked with the last republican he supported in the white house, andy carter, the former white house chief of staff under george w. bush who remembers him well. always good to have you here and to think about it after president bush, he moved to supporting barack obama and 2008 and 2012, had very little use for donald trump come supported hillary clinton, what did you make of it? was it a change or a whole new view of the world? what? >> you know, colin powell, first of all it was wonderful to hear his voice and boy do we need the voice that colin powell just used talking to you from years ago in the public domain right now. really a class act. he was always a class act. i met him in 1983 when i work for president reagan at the white house and got to know colin powell then. it worked very closely with him when i worked with president george w. bush and then secretary of transportation when it was with the joint chief and went on as chief of staff to george w. bush. and colin powell was the real deal. grounded, had the ability to speak truth to power. was a wonderful listener. he empowered everyone. he lifted every one up. and his work in the military is legendary, his work in the white house is legendary, it is a national security advisor in his work as secretary of state, he proved to be one of the greatest diplomats in the world. and greatly respected. but what he actually did even beyond that was amazing, because he was the ultimate point of light in terms of making a difference. he led america's promise and the little red wagon campaign, he mentors literally hundreds of people and just on so much, and he and alma, the prime definition on what it means to be a supportive couple, they were a great complementary to each other, and you are going to miss him. and i respected colin powell very, very much. i'd great conversations with him when i was chief of staff and he was secretary of state. >> neil: i wonder, andy, i know we are tight for time, but he left the republican party, frustrated with the party particularly when donald trump became president saying that we had a constitution and we have to follow the constitution and the president has drifted away from it, a lot stronger things to say that i can't repeat on a family show, but what did you make of that? >> it was the truth, you know, colin powell at service came from new york, queens, new york, entered the service and served in vietnam, was not a republican or democrat, he was a soldier and then he became a republican later on and supported george w. bush, george h.w. bush and made a huge difference in diplomacy, he was never a strong partisan. and in september 11th, he rallied, he was just a great leader getting the rest of the world to be with the united states and the coalition that was in afghanistan and then iraq. and let's not forget what happened on january 6th, and january 6th -- >> neil: he never forgot it. >> and that's where he said i cannot be a part of this party. >> neil: i am sorry for the titan time, but thank you for your reflection on that. i will just remember the man who was kind enough to always write a note, i would write a note to him as a prominent guest when they appeared on the show, he was one of the few to write a note back over my note, remarkable, just remarkable. ♪ ♪ >> dana: hello, everyone, i am dana perino along with katie pavlich, jesse watters, and greg gutfeld, 5:00 in new york city, this is "the five." democrats caught breaking covid rules at the fight over vaccine mandates reaches a critical point, president biden defined a city wide mandate in d.c. after he and the first lady were spotted maskless at a ritzy restaurant while secret service members were covered up, excusing the behavior this way.

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