moselle road, he said his wife and child was shot. >> sir, give me the address again. >> 4147 moselle road, i have been up to it now, it is bad. >> are they breaking. >> no, ma'am. >> you said your wife and your son? >> my wife and my son. >> are they in a vehicle? >> no, ma'am they are on the ground. >> did you see anyone? >> okay. is he breathing at all. >> no. nobody is -- >> is she. >> do you see anyone in the purchase due to. that means nothing to me at all. what does matter to me would be all of the forensic evidence and what we know so far. so far we connection five death bodies to the murdaugh family. that are. >> joining us dr. michelle dupree. forensic expert. and author and former detective with south carolina sheriff department. matt harris, a reporter with sources across the state, creator of murdaugh family murders impact of influence podcast and also clay first responder with beaufort water search and rescue. ♪ ♪ >> jim: start with most recent death that is paul. and maggie murdaugh. >> both found dead. at the murdaugh hunting long . this is your neck of the woods, you are familiar with this area. i want to talk to you about multiple cases all connected to the same family. the murdaugh family. i want to talk to but maggie -- maggie murdaugh dead, paul murdaugh dead, her son, steven smith, a young man who lived in the area dead, presumably a hit-and-run body left on the road, mallory beach, a teen girl, dead and miss satterfield, a domestic worker within the murdaugh home, dead, that is 5 dead bodies. dr. dupre . >> doesn't that wave a red flag in front of you? 5 dead bodies connected to one family. >> it does, we don't like coincidences that is way too many. nancy: what about the blood found on and around the bodies? if the flood were dried that would be an indicate or of how long they were their, if the blood of the not dry at all, or just beginning to coagco ag late. >> those are estimates, thea. the ambient temperature, they all must be taken to consideration to determine how long the blood could have stayed fluid or not fluid. nancy: what would you expect the condition of the blood to be if they were dead only 30 minutes. >> somewhat coag lated but not dry. >> stick to the touch. >> right. nancy: what time do you think they were murdered. >> between 9:30 10:00ish. >> he called and said mage and paul were dead, and the sheriff department were first on scene, they turned it over to sled because of their connection with murdaugh family. nancy: what connection is that. >> you are in law enforcement, you are connected to murdaugh. for 80 something years of solicitors and prosecutors and alex was volunteering in the prosecutor office. nancy: alex also ran a law firm. >> the biggest in the area unite of murders, he visited his mother in the hospital, took his father to the hospital, his father died a few days later. nancy: how do i know, alex murdaugh did not go to the hospital, come home, shoot them dead call 911, his call is convincing but he is a lawyer. he knows what 911 calls should in a perfect world sound like, how do i know he is not faking because of the scientific evidence or how do i know he didn't shoot them first, then go to the hospital, then come back and find the bodies? that is quite a window, 30 minutes. before alex murdaugh gets on scene, they are shot, he gets there 30 short minutes later. that is quite the timing. >> it is. and other interesting thing, is that this is a small rural community, everyone knows everyone. a miscellaneous or unfamiliar vehicle would have been known or seen by someone, no one heard anything. nancy: what you can tell me about paul murdaugh's gunshot wounds. >> i understand he was the shot with a shotgun, that does major damage to a body. nancy: in my mind, who would shoot with a shotgun? now. i'm telling you right now, this is based on statistics, method of assessment that a male did the killing. and in this manner, shot multiple times to the head and the face. doctor, do you believe that paul murdaugh was shot anywhere else. >> no. nancy: the chest or head. >> well yes, the chest. nancy: do you believe entry wound was front to back. >> it was front to back. nancy: that tells you. >> it was close. it was targeted this person was intended to be the person shot, they probably knew each other. nancy: of thousand of cases burglary, a robber or intruder, once they are discovered, if they can, they will just leave. that makes me deduce no one was there burglarize or steal or second assault to -- sex assault to me they were there to kill. >> mother of shot with a high powered rifle. it goes in smooth but comes out explosive and expansive. shot multiple times with that, that is a devastating wound. we know one of the guns came from murdaugh hunting long. >> if that is true, the killer would have to go into the home, get the gun, i assume out of the gun cabinet, i assume would be locked. without any evidence of forced entry. come back and shoot and then make all with the gun? >> or someone bringing it out with them, maggie or paul for and reason. nancy: has weapon been recovered. >> not that we know. nancy: how would they know. >> they found one weapon. >> they would leave one and take off with the other. all of this is the very window of 30 minutes, before the husband alex murdaugh gets back. >> right, a very close window. nancy: dr. dupre, you have seen a lot of homicides. i'm not a psychiatrist but i can tell you when someone is shot multiple times there is a reason. >> right. nancy: there is a whole -- about shooting a victim in the face. in the heart, and the chest. whether it is intentional or not. there is a message there. or an intention there. if you were to compare the two, who would have been a prime target. >> paul. nancy: if they were shot multiple times, why paul. >> because of the surrounding circumstances, he was going to come up in a trial soon, he was in a little bit of trouble before that, there is nothing like that to suggest that maggie would be the intend target. >> every murder boils down to sex or money pretty much. >> rumors surrounding this are too numerous to count. if you can find someone who talk. nancy: as soon as they were discovered police let community know that no one else was in jeopardy, that tells me that from the scene, and from what was discovered and evidence there, and totality of issues surrounding that, that they felt these two people at least one of them, if not both, were targeted. 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mallory beach, a teen girl on a boat with paul murdaugh driving. speeding. grossly intoxicated. at the wheel when mallory beach is thrown overboard. the boat going up rearring up with speed. >> you are [bleep] smiling like it's funny. >> we're first responders we were dispatched. we were dispatch at 2:30 that morning. nancy: that night that mallory beach was killed. did they leave from that dock that we just left from. >> no, ma'am, they left from dock downtown atwater front. nancy: where. >> downtown beaufort, they were at a house warming party. >> there were adults there? >> i would assume so, i don't know. nancy: they could not see that, young adults were drinking getting on to a boat. >> from what i understand, they were asked not to leave, but they left anyway. nancy: what do you do with a guy like paul murdaugh, drunk, you are physically restraining him. >> right, not much. my understand they left there. nancy: i understand they stopped get more alcohol. after or after. >> they stopped downtown to visit a bar. two went in. the rest stayed on the dock from what i understand. that is what security footage. nancy: did they get alcohol in the bar. >> video footage would appear so. >> they were dispatched to a boat that struck the bridge, one person in the water missing. nancy: driving a thick object. >> not a good scenario. we have one person in the water, we launched 3 boats that morning, one was air board. and airboat was first on scene. the tide of so low, you can't tell now that morning tide was really low. it was not a lot of water to work with. we made to the bridge as fast as we could. with the conditions we had that night. nancy: what were conditions. >> we came up here, started a bridge search, we knew that tide was going out. nancy: you know, i have a lot of bridge searches by land. -- grid search by land but never taken a grid search by water. how do you do that. >> by gps. there are different types we did a block grid search, up, down, left, right, top of the creek, we did this out of the boat running side screen sonar on the body, to search on the bottom for objects. on broad river, a mile from the bridge. the tide was going out. nancy: looking for a person. >> we knew a female in the water. we had no idea -- >> of anything. >> all we know 6 people onboard could one missing. 5 accounted for, we don't know the age or who it is. we know we have someone out, important thing for us to get here as fast as we can, a crew change. we took a break, we took a crew change about noon the next day. we came back out and searched every day for a week after that. we expanded search, as days went on, longer period you have the farther someone will travel. nancy: where was mallory's body found? >> a week later. 5 miles. nancy: 5 miles. she was floating in that water. when did you learn that she had died blunt force trauma and drowning? >> not until the coroner report came out, i read that in the paper. nancy: how could it have happend. >> struck the boat on the way out or the pylons. pylons. nancy: they hit the pylons, the boat goes flying. >> sudden stop, when you hit something like that you have something you are hitting like a rounded object. it is not going to hit square. it is going to glance off one way or the other. it glanced to the right. as it did, the inertia would have swung the back-end of the boat around, that probably was threw them off the boat. nancy: what could she have struck. >> according to her boyfriend, she could have struck the side of the boat, she was sitting on his lap. there is no telling. nancy: then into the water. >> into the water. >> you see the big i'd wide opening in the middle, there are 4 dolphins. there are 4 of them, the dolphin heads. nancy: i can't imagine hitting those at a high rate of speed. >> not a lot of room for error with this bridge, you are supposed to use idle speed only. >> not as wise as it looks. >> 13fight. feet. nancy: did it break the boat up. >> it was tore up, did not break it up. up. >> if -- it is amazing only one person lost their life. nancy: this is the spot. >> this is the spot. >> this beautiful day. and the beautiful sun, clouds, cars going by, this is where mallory lost her life. dayquil severe for you... and daily vicks super c for me. introducing new vicks super c and dayquil severe convenience pack. vicks super c is a daily supplement to help energize and replenish your body with vitamin c and b vitamins. dayquil severe is a max strength medicine for cold and flu relief. someone is feeling better. get your shoes. alright! try the new vicks convenience pack. marianne: welcome to fox news live. a team of investigators from the fashion at transportation safety board is at the scene of the deadly amtrak train derailment near joplin, montana. the track where the accident happened was last inspected thursday. as a somber day on long island where a memorial service was held for gabby petito. 1,000 mourners gathered to remember her death. her death sparked a manhunt for her boyfriend brian laundrie. he's wanted for using her debit card after her death. the fbi went to petito's family home to look for dna. i'm marianne rafferty. nancy: isn't it true, matt that everyone was begging paul murdaugh show doe down. sl. >> they were begging him not to drive. >> i think big thing that jumps out at me is what happened after the crash. there was a lot of agencies works, not only trying to find mallory. also getting help for conner cook who had a broken jaw, miley altman with severely injured hand, and paul had all kinds of injuries to him. they went to the hospital. in one ambulance. anthony cook stayed, he was mallory's boyfriend, he refused to go, he had a messed up shoulder, they go to the hospital. and paul murdaugh's father and grandfather show up with then about i believe 10 minutes after they get there. and are trying to control the scene. they are making sure paul does not talk, tell the other boaters by multiple reports of people in hospital, telling out of the the kids to not talk. at the hospital, from reports from nurses and security, security had to be called. paul murdaugh's father, alex shows up, his grandfather, randolph shows up, paul's dad, tells paul, don't say anything, when the nurses ask questions, he said he is not talking here, catches conor on the way to get his c-- ct scan and tells cop conor there, and paul comes out of his room, they call security, they tell alex we're trying to fix people, paul comes out of his room. and they have to drag him, paul is obnoxious. nancy: what do you mean. >> a nurse said she wanted a urine sample. he said only if you hold it and mentioned his buttock in an inappropriate manner. >> hospital. >> took blood. as they do in most cases. nancy: and. >> it was 3 times legal limit. nancy: i think. >> what significant to you tie to fact that paul and maggie murdaugh were murdered about 72 hours before the civil trial was set to start. >> he was not named in suit but he would be called to testify, the lawsuits are going ahead, it seems too much of a coincidence. >> what is your emergency. >> i just was going down the road. i seen someone laying out. >> okay. we'll get an officer out that way. >> okay. he was laying in the road. i didn't move him or nothing like that. somebody probably hit him or something. ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ nancy: talk about steven smith. not only does he have a connection to the murdaugh family, after -- but after paul and maggie are murdered. steven smith's death is reopen within a few days, he has been dead for years, why is it reopen a new days after paul and maggie are murdered. >> they say information was obtained, i do not know, i know they went to see steven's mom. the day after i believe the homicide of paul and maggie. she was upset by that. why are you questioning me for. then they came back and a couple days later they said we're reopening your son's case that was a huge relief to her. that was going to be looked at again. nancy: why was she relieved in. >> she does not believe it was a hit-and-run. a lot of people don't believe it was a hit-and-run. officers, highway patrol officers don't think it was a hit-and-run. a coroner did not think it was a hit-and-run. a pathologist that ruled it a hit-and-run based on fact his body was in middle offed road. nancy: what connection? >> steven was classmates with buster and paul, closer with buster, paul's dad was the coach. nancy: steven smith a case has been reopen since maggie and paul murdaugh were killed why. >> new evidence came to light, i don't know what it is, i know that paul place was searched for his computer or perhaps there was every found. something new happen. nancy: is the crime lab doing testing. >> i know they are, but they are tight lipped about it. >> steven's mother is convinced that steven was killed with a baseball bat. what do you make of that? >> i heard that, i got back to let see what the body tells us. let's look at the injuries. are there depressed fractured or other injuries more in line with a vehicle accident. nancy: much made of fact that that smith of gay. >> if there was a relationship that someone wanted to cover-up that could be the reason for someone to take out steven smith and kill him. and also. their are people who hate gay people. steven's mother believes it was a possible hate crime. deputy coroner ruled that smith a homicide but overruled by pathologist. who ruled it was a hit-and-run based on the fact ♪ ♪ life is full of surprises when you least expect it. 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talk to someone. >> was steve stephen smith vehicle about 3 miles from his body. >> 3 miles from his body, gas lid open, gas top was off, wallet still in the car. 2.9 miles from where his body was, and 3 miles his house where his mom lived, possible to be where he was walking that is a 6 mile walk. nancy: did he not have a cell phone? >> there was a cell phone because the fbi got it. and his mom said that she does not know if it was opened what they found. she does not know what they found in the cell phone. but there would -- i don't understand why there was not a call made, it was about 1:00 in the morning. nancy: you said his mother of 3 miles away. from where his body was found or the car. >> from where his body was found. nancy: 6 from the car. >> yes. and another interesting note from his twin sister. stephen smith' sister. it was randy murdaugh calling to say we'll handle your case for free, they thought that was odd. sister said they still thought it was odd he would call right away and be second call they received. he was on scene at one point. point. before the body was moved in 2016, i was working at the amazon warehouse when my brother passed away. and a couple of years later, my mother passed away. after taking care of them, i knew that i really wanted to become a nurse. amazon helped me with training and tuition. today, i'm a medical assistant and i'm studying to become a registered nurse. in filipino: you'll always be in my heart. carl lost his gig as a hand model during a bizarre hitchhiking incident. 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