and alligators. dive teams are on the scene to help with the search. they have helicopters and areas that are not accessible by vehicle. bill has experience with these kinds of investigations he's going to weigh in first. >> good afternoon and adding to what was just said it's not a friendly place to camp. a lot of bugs and reptiles. it's not day number four of thi intensive and exhaustive search in the nature preserve and stil no sign of brian. he was certainly being sought after for questioning related t the confirmed death of his fiancée. after three full days in the florida sun as well as pouring afternoon rains no evidence of him has turned up. the terrain is rough swampy and underwater gear using technolog which can spot large objects down below the surface of the dark water. we just decide i've team go in about one hour ago. the police tell me they are searching the large body of water not a great place to camp out as i said his parents say h went for a hike last tuesday eight days ago. he had been living with his parents and his fiancée before they took the road trip the coroner confirmed the body was found sunday and it is in fact her the matter of death is homicide. they had started a cross-countr road trip in august the police questioned the young couple somebody dialed 911 to report a man slapping a girl in the face. she later denied this saying that he pushed or grabbed her face. on monday the police executed a search warrant at the family home. taking on multiple boxes of potential evidence things like computer's hard drive's cell phones anything with e-mail and text records. when the sun returned from the road trip out west about three weeks ago he returned in a whit van that he had left in and she was not with him. we aren't sure what he told his family to explain this. he has refused to speak and now has a lawyer not sharing any information. >> for more on this but spring and a former fbi agent you been involved in searches like this. perhaps not of such difficult terrain. walk us through the search what are investigators duhamel and what is the purpose of using cadaver dogs as we understand their potential looking for a body or do they still believe h could be alive? thank you so much for having me. we are looking at a broad spectrum of things that may hav happened. perhaps he took his own life or something has happened to him. they are doing things such as using thermal imaging from above. they are concentrating on a search with cadaver dogs and dive teams. we've also focused in on this swamp the reserve where he left his car. given the twists and turns in this case we need to look at a broader view. did he leave his car there so h could go elsewhere? perhaps any information from th fbi that executed a search warrant on his home. we are looking at a broad view of where he may be. >> we know his parents went to the reserve to pick up the car he left it there for a night or two in case he was still in the park and wanted to come back ou using the vehicle. there was also a note left on the car we don't know what the note said. he is an experienced hiker but as we pointed out that it's ver difficult terrain. i would assume there are venomous snakes out there. he hasn't been seen for eight days now he's been living in this park. interesting that you mention this. it took fbi and law enforcement years before they found him he was a survivalist that went int the woods in georgia. we aren't sure if he went in with any supplies. does he have food or camping equipment to keep them alive? if somebody is alive eventually it may surface somehow by comin out at night looking for food o support perhaps trying to leave the area. this broader view of things cause us to focus in on the swamp area because that seems t be the last area that he said h was going. given all the nuances of this case it's been very odd from th beginning but you have to take this at face value. eventually we're going to find him one way or another it may not even be in this location. the fbi and denver put a statement talking about the commitment at the forefront of every investigation the fbi and the partners remain dedicated t ensuring anybody responsible fo the actions. there are a lot of people that raised the question how did the fbi and local police let him slip away? they could have surveilled and they didn't get a search warran to do that. did they drop a big ball in letting him get away? >> a great question and certainly something that's goin to take some looking into. we aren't exactly sure why. law enforcement doesn't typically just take this into their own hands. we will see how this case shape up if there is a case they don' want to jeopardize this by doin something that seems to be overreaching or overarching or something that would put them i jeopardy with the legal system. i can answer that question for you. why didn't that happen the police had a car out there looking at the front door or certainly in the car i can't answer this for you. it's good to talk to you today thank you for your analysis. turning now to the situation at the southern border. they are coming into the us and this was a statement that said they would face immediate deportation. the homeland secretary reacting a short time ago. >> that has such a rapid and regular migration that we observed an experienced. we have the expectation of people that across the border into texas. he told me yes these migrants are underway and they are releasing all family units and any ladies that claim they are pregnant the idea being that wants to clear the south as fas as possible. there are still more than 6200 people living underneath this tent some have been there for days after crossing illegally into the us. take a look at the second camer to look at the size and the scope. they're basically finding whatever they can to build thei own shelter as much as they can. lets take a live look overhead and new article coming out saying thousands of people are being released despite the administration saying if they come they will be deported. the messaging was if you, your attorney will not succeed however there are mass releases underway and some are being deported how everyone to show you this video from yesterday. what you are looking at as a group of people that were reported yesterday on a long us flight storming the tarmac throwing shoes at the aircraft. at some point they confirmed that three agents were injured in a scuffle and police had to go out there and get that settled down earlier today the president sounded off on his frustration saying that they warned the federal government does something like this might occur months ago but they never took any action. >> not only did they ignore us they said they had more efficient ways to deal with thi now we've had 14,000 people under the bridge. according to the source he said most of them are being released the difference is that a notice to return is a request. if they show up to a judge within 60 days a notice to appear is you must show up on this exact date. once they are released if they don't show up they lose track o them and there is no way of knowing where they go again. they want to clear out the area as quickly as possible. if you get here and at the problem they're going to let yo in. what are we asking border patro to do? 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we need to have a vote with suc a small margin is anybody going to thank them? first of all you are correct it's a small amount of money if the party that's fixing to spen $3.5 trillion on his social spending bill. it's needed because the rockets have been depleted during the spring terror attacks. what are the tolerate something like this not just in the ranks of the party but in the leadership of the house of the government. she is the vice chair. she said support for israel is all about the veterans. people that support this are guilty of dual loyalty to a foreign country she wants to se these people die she is the second in command in this committee in congress with thes policies in regard to israel. why was she elevated to this position. >> is there not heat on her because when somebody says this is happening we count on their leadership to call him out and safe model appropriate behavior why does she keep getting a pas on certain members? this is the reality. she needs their votes because her margin in the house if the squad were to defect the member that are doing this are the sam that were threatening to kill the reconciliation bill if they don't get the money they want. the fate of this administration and domestic agenda sits in their hands so she's going to tolerate a lot of things. she wants to let them vote on this in order to get through this reconciliation bill. >> shocking video going viral showing a republican candidate violently dragged out of a meeting. why it happened and how she is responding. plus the administration accused of lying about the status of ne immigrants after bombshell report claims many of them were just released into the us. the former director joins us next. veteran homeowners, great news the lowest mortgage rates you've been waiting for are here. the newday two and a quarter refi has the company's lowest rate in history. 2.25% with an apr of 2.48. save thousands every year. plus there's no money out of pocket and no up front fees. newday is holding the line on interest rates so every veteran family can save. call now. what's the #1 retinol brand used most by dermatologists? 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what you doing? what are you doing? gig as a lieutenant for governor , he has challenged mask and maxine mandates. he was found guilty of desertio while serving in iraq. as for what happened at the meeting, a spokesman for clark county tells us it became necessary to clear the room after a group of people became oysters as he put it in the incident involving mac miller i under review. john, i think people are just frazzled, there at their wits end to get this new story comes after a day after the san francisco mayor using every justification she could come up with of why she wasn't right mask. >> maybe he was feeling this. in the meeting. may be inspired by something great unfortunately for him, this time the fun police came along and kicked him out. that is a little over-the-top. >> it feels a little over-the-top but these days, nothing surprises anymore pride bombshell new report revealing many haitian migrants being released into the united states despite the biden administratio claiming the opposite. joining us now is farming actin extractor under president trump trump. we have learned that the a lot of these migrants are being sen to various places around the united states, throughout texas and cities elsewhere. we don't know exactly where they're going, but the justification for that is your thoughts about what we're seein here, ron? >> this is the point right there , they are coming in this kind of number and this volume and causing this kind of chaos because they know many of them, even if they're apprehended wil be released into the united states. those images that we are seeing from del rio showed disturbed all of us. right left or center, we do not deserve that kind of condition on our soil in the united states . avenue never seen anything like it pride we have a 500 percent increase from the encounters from last year. we went to months in a row with well over 200,000 encounters. the reason that flow is coming to the border is because the policies that stopped the last surge at our border which was much smaller than what we're seeing today, we're rescinded o january 20th. we sent a signal to the world that says, if you come, come no because you have a chance of getting away because the border patrol is distracted by this humanitarian and crowd control mission. you are likely to get released if you have a child or if you are minor child coming by yourself. that signal that has gone acros the globe including people that we're already in this hemispher that happened to be from haiti. >> they're is also the matter o what the ministration officials with their going to do versus how they're going to deal with impaired listen to what the dhs secretary said yesterday. you will be endangering your life and your families lives. >> that statement, did not appear to have the added benefi of being true. >> correct. and what does it mean that they will be returned? they will be put in proceedings for immigration court and asked to report on their own recognizance somewhere in the united states. all of us know that many of the will never show up for that asylum claim or for that immigration hearing. they will be put in the system to be removed, but it might be decades before they're back int the custody of ice for removal. saying that they're going to be removed is not accurate. negate the biden administration does appear to be caught betwee a rock and a hard place. progressives on the far left of his party are screaming bloodin murder about what is going to happen with these folks. >> it's easy to say you want an open border until you see what' happening now in del rio, that is the result of policies that express to the world that we ar going to have an open border. we have got it immigration enforcement, we've encouraged people to bring to the children to the border. this as a result of it. our heart goes out to people from places like haiti where th government is terrible, we're living conditions are horrible, the northern triangle with game are endemic. if we're going to have a country , we need to have a border. if people are claiming a silent truly refugees outside of the united states, let's make room for them in the law and have an open border while you're pretending you're securing the border when you're really not i not going to work. you're encouraging people to conduct this behavior. the only winners in this are th cartels. the people at the pipeline are in great danger during the journey. and getting picked up by human smugglers. they're having to take away to deal with the federal governmen can't. good to get your take on this. appreciate it. >> thank you. >> we are standing by for the white house news briefing periods several crises swirl around the biden administration. we expect questions on a number of things including chaos at th southern border. >> videos like this are raising questions if more could have been done to prevent such a tragic outcome. and take out $50,000 or more for security today or retirement tomorrow. get the cash and peace of mind every veteran family deserves. so make the call. ok everyone, our mission is to provide complete, balanced nutrition for strength and energy. whoo hoo! ensure, with 27 vitamins and minerals, now introducing ensure complete! with 30 grams of protein. new projects means new project managers. you need to hire. i need indeed. indeed you do. when you sponsor a job, you immediately get your shortlist of quality candidates, whose resumes on indeed match your job criteria. visit indeed.com/hire and get started today. at usaa, we've been called too exclusive. because we only serve those who honorably served. all ranks, all branches, and their families. are we still exclusive? 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case against impaired attorney and cohost have "outnumbered" joins us now. emily, it is great to see you. >> shannon, thank you for havin me. he's on the run, dive teams, dogs, everything else out there. in the meantime and neighbor says this, about the time he wa back at his parents house she said it was ordinary. he mowed the lawn, him and his mother went for a bicycle ride around the block. everything was normal life once he came back great it seemed like nothing bothered him. so the question now emily is wh weren't law-enforcement officials more targeted on keeping an eye on him. we know you've got to have your ducks in a row for charges and those kinds of things but if he was just out and about to come anyone of us could sit outside of his house and watch them com and go. >> that is part of why the argument is so strong because i plain view is within play, why then wasn't there a stronger surveillance. you don't need a warrant to do that. in taking step back, i know there's been a lot of criticism could law enforcement have done more. i want to point out for viewers about the patchwork quilt this country resides under and as we look back on the couple's tragi story, think about how many different arms of law enforcement touch them very to everything from park rangers to local police in utah to the fbi being notified to local police in florida. port of what the outcome of savannah's law just passed unde the trumpet ministration was forcing communications between federal and state and local agencies in the realm of missin women and under that circumstances the high volume o missing and murdered indigenous women. i bring this up to say this is exactly why laws like this are put and place because there's not an inherent communication between each. if you think about the one instance, the one moment connections that law enforcement , that people had with this couple, that's not enough to potentially rise to that level. in utah for example a temporary restraining order coming have t have an underlying case to have one. it's also own used plays there in extreme circumstances which as you know and the replace report those officers said neither of that couple neither of them wanted to press charges so that's just one example wher the laws are tying hands as wel as the circumstance in that one snapshot did as well. >> it's one thing to show up into think one of the parties t the situations is a jerk or manipulative, or isolating or unkind, but that doesn't rise t the level of the crime. they're is only so much that la enforcement can do. randy set does a lot for former police officers and one officer who's been through tough times and he said you've got to remember, these officers will now beat themselves up. when this case happens and it's got national attention, they will question themselves is there anything else i could hav done, but you and i know, there is just a limit. >> i was impressed i have to sa without police report at the links that the second officer, specifically went to, the links he went to to explain and describe why he categorized thi more of a mental health issue. while he felt separating the tw for the night was sufficient. they're are many of laws that protect men in domestic violenc situations. people working looking back saying he is twice as big as her . clearly she was the victim, that's not always the case when you affect approach these to mystic violence situations. they protect as well that law enforcement. on the size, and realize that they will may be the smaller person was the aggressor, so based on that evidence at that particular moment was based on the markings on brian at the time, based on what gap he was saying, that's why they went to those links. and at the offices or the rubri of utah state law. which called for a very intense situation every extreme situation before putting into stronger separation mechanisms. back to the micro view, there are boots on ground, why are th parents acting normally and why didn't law enforcement height been up immediately because now were just looking at potentiall a lost trail in this 100-degree weather, swamp infested waters, and alligators and everywhere. i think is time goes by, the chances of finding him alive might be slim. gate if that's even where he is. we just don't know at this point . a lot of questions that will be asked in hindsight great emily, great to have your expertise with us. thank you so much. >> the head of the fbi getting an earful on capitol hill following the indictment of former clinton lawyer ryan sussman. what we are learning about the investigation that is just ahea stay with us. got a couple of bogeys on your six, limu. they need customized car insurance from liberty mutual so they only pay for what they need. what do you say we see what this bird can do? woooooooooooooo... we are not getting you a helicopter. looks like we're walking, kid. only pay for what you need. ♪ liberty. liberty. liberty. liberty. ♪ 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about the john durham investigation can into that origins of the russia probe although today he specifically did not purge yesterday to senators pressed ray on the indictment the part where michael sussman the attorney came to the fbi and said he had information about trump that turned out not to be true. listen to this exchange. >> you guys to get hook, line, and sinker and we will just investigate a major presidentia candidate right of course it's huge problem. >> there needs to be political accountability and i hope john durham has a lot more. >> we've been working closely with special counsel durham. >> okay, and other nonresponse. >> it is standard practice that he would not discuss an ongoing investigation so it's not unusual. he didn't speak more on the assessment indictment. according to the indictment he went to the fbi and said i had information about donald trump in russia. john durham the special counsel says he was not clear who he wa working for when he delivered that 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migrants ar being released in the u.s. even though we've been told the opposite from the white house for the ministration was under fire for not requiring migrants to be vaccinated while mandatin shots for millions of american spirit. >> president biden getting called out for not calling out china by nate at the united nations while his party forcing the house to cut $1,000 and aid for the missile defense system parrot could get our first ally france is a furious saying the u.s. tapped it in the back i striking a deal with austria, afghanistan is still a mess, americans are still stranded. >> prices are rising for almost everything is the president pushes tax hikes to spend trillions. in major issue that has been mostly. by everything else, john durham investigation revealing that on of president biden's closest advisers help spread a made-up story designed to tilt the 2016 election to hillary clinton by spearing donald trump heard. >> it is more then the mainstream media can ignore and even they are starting to ask tough questions. peter ducey has been doing that since day one and he has a long list of questions he would like to ask today. >> good afternoon. the reporting that you guys jus referenced off the top, that these migrants, these haitian migrants being released in larg numbers into the united states is not consistent with what we've heard in the last one of these briefings which is jen saying that they do not believe these haitian migrants were intending tay in this country for a long time heard there is a conflict there we hope to clear up at some point during the briefing. the only thing president biden has said about any of this is yesterday as he was exiting the un somebody shouted out what's going on at the border and he said we will get it under control. the press pool was ushered out while he was still speaking via zoom to some world leaders abou covid 19. a lot of questions remain about the policy snafus over the last week or so consuming booster shots, afghanistan, and the border. and the president is looking fo a win. so he is having house democrats over here. if it wasn't in peril we wouldn't be having these guys over here. we expect to see jen psaki any minute taking 45 minutes to an hour worth of our questions, so stating for that. >> more on this late spring in texas senator john gorman. we wanted to ask you first of all your thoughts on this news that dhs itself just confirmed that many of these haitian migrants are being released. that is consistent with the policy that is one point to million migrants to come to our borders since joe biden became president. it's entirely inconsistent with what they said they were going to do with the haitian migrants in del rio which is repatriate them to haiti. unfortunately, this is the same mistake they have made from the very beginning that they say on thing and they do another, but if folks in the human smugglers who smuggle them into the eyes states make them a lot of money doing it are watching what they're doing and not listening to what they're saying. >> if i could hear from the dhs press release, it says individuals detained at an ice facility or released with a legal document either and notic to appear and court or a notice to report to an ice office for further immigration processing. are you concerned senator that like we have seen so many times in the past, that if some of these migrants are released int the united states just have a piece of paper saying we should go see an ice officer or there is a notice to appear, they wil just blend into society and we will never hear from them again. >> this is the designed to fail. it will failed to deter not jus the haitians in del rio. you can determine they can simply blend into this is what has been called catch and release, catch and release does not deter people from coming, i simply encourages more to come. >> president biden was asked about the situation at the southern border when he was in new york at the united nations. what's let's watch this encounter. misery mister president, what was the reaction today on the southern border? >> it's under control. >> we will get it under control. >> the president said we will get it under control, but what we seem to see here is a litany of successive crises if it's no migrants coming in from the northern triangle. they're are some 20,000 more in columbia looking at what is going on in the biller dirt and dell rio and say now is the tim to come. >> what i worry about is the definition of the biden a ministration about having thing under control is very different from what i would say when somebody asked me is the border under control. are border is not and control. if what they mean and controlle they are processing people into the united states continuing th same policies that serve as a huge magnet for this humanitarian crisis, there will be another one right behind the haitian wave and it is all because joe biden and his administration either don't car or they don't know how to fix it . i've got a bipartisan bill with senator cinema and also supported by republicans and democrats in the house that would help stop the flow, but s far they've shown no interest. >> off sick obviously, the senator from arizona has got a big stake in this as well given what's going on in her states. in terms of not interested, rin didn't judge who is the president of the national borde control council he says that hi union warned dhs in june, back in june that something like thi might happen. not only did they ignore as the said they have more efficient ways to deal with this. at the top of this we had under that bridge, if that is visions and our government is broken. >> let me get your thoughts on that and what we see there on the left-hand side of our screen . is that a more efficient way of dealing with mass migration? to get know, mister judd knows what he's talking about, he's a expert on these matters and the administration would do well to listen to him. he is also of the opinion that this catch and release system i an incentive for people to continue to come. these migrants pay thousands of dollars to human smugglers to bring them into the united states. obviously they want to come to the united states. if there are no deterrents, no enforcement of our immigration laws, then they are going to keep coming and the numbers are going to get worse. >> the secretary dhs was on the hill yesterday suggesting some withering criticism and questioning from senator ron johnson of wisconsin. let's listen to this exchange and i will get you on the other side. >> how many people have been returned, how many people are being detained, how many people have been disbursed to all points around america? >> senator, i would be pleased to provide you with that data. >> i want that now. whether you have the informatio now? >> senator, i don't have that before me. >> why don't you have that basi information? >> dhs has got a lot of scented information, senator not the least of which is in the fiscal year of 2020, 2021 which comes to close on the 30th of this month, so far 1.5 million peopl have come across the border illegally. we still have one month to go, so that number could rise substantially. i don't mean to be critical here , but is the secretary just gas lighting america? >> i think that is one way to put it. he other doesn't know which i think would be malpractice on his part, or he does know and simply doesn't want to share it with members of congress doing oversight or the american peopl because it is bad news. the worst parts of this is, if you make the same mistakes over and over again, you will get th same results. we've seen what's happened with joe biden's failed border policies for the first eight months he's been and office. i think we can expect this to continue into the future until he or congress is able to do something about it. >> we saw texas governor on the border, right there at that bridge the other day talking about what texas has had to do to step in and fill the gap the federal government is not filling. here is part of what the governor said. >> the biden administration is man-made disaster of inhumanity. of epic proportions. it must end, it must end immediately and the way to end it is by the biden administration stepping up and forcing the immigration laws of the united states of america. >> the governor government has sold jurisdiction but the state of texas, your state is had to step in and divert dps resources , it's had to put boots on the ground there to stop thi problem. we actually saw dps officers form a wall out of cars to stop migrants from coming across the rio grande. this is taking a big toll in terms of time, money, and man and woman power away from what the state needs to do elsewhere. >> john, we are ground zero. we have 1200 miles of common border with mexico, but the federal government isn't going to do the job than ours state readers have no choice but to d it themselves. this is a problem of huge magnitude. if you look at are border communities that rely on cross-border trade and tourism, they are being devastated and overrun by these huge numbers spread. >> senator, i don't mean to interrupt, but we need to jump out of this and go to the white house. >> any country around the world under title 42 who do not have legal basis to remain are place in either a former removal proceedings, and individuals no immediately removed or placed a alternative to detention or transported to an ice facility. if there placed an alternative detention, there's a process required, a legal document, a document they would have as a part of that process, border patrol agents create biometric and fingerprints, photos, fund numbers, and address in the united states in also run a background check as a part of the process. those who do not report like anyone in our country without legal status are subject to removal by ice. i give you that to understand the different steps in the process. obviously there are flights, we need to have enough lights to transport individuals to haiti or to other countries and there are a range of flights as you know that are going too different parts of the world depending. those are and process. if there isn't a flights alread at, those individuals need may be placed in alternatives to detention and they are noted this mechanism where these documents are required. >> can you offer any further details on the call that happened this morning between president biden and how long di it to last, how was the tone, i know there is quite a bit of detail in the readouts of plans for the meeting great how much of that was worked out beforehand. >> as we've noted in the past, will take you last question first, there has been ongoing discussion and engagements at a variety of levels between the united states and france. certainly the possibility of a meeting with something that was naturally discussed and advance but also, natural for the president to raise that and discuss it at the leader level. in terms of the tone of the call , it was friendly, it was one where we are hopeful and th president is hopeful this is a step in returning to normal and along important abiding relationship that the united states has with france. it was about 30 minutes long. as we noted in the readouts and as you said, it was extensive but during the conversations, the president reaffirmed the strategic importance of france, french and european engagement in the indo pacific region, which is something we continue to work with them on great as w said on the read out the french have also returned to washingto next week, and he will start intensive work with u.s. officials which will be part of the ongoing next steps that we go from here. we also noted they will need meet in europe at the end of october. >> a quick follow-up. forrest johnson earlier expressed anger over the submarine deal substantively, that the french had failed to acknowledge the value of the submarine deal for global security and secondly it's calling on the french to get a grip helpful at this point? i can only speak with our relationship with france and ou relationship with the united kingdom. the president during this call as we said in the readouts acknowledged that there could b there could have been more discussion and advance of the announcement and that was an important message for him to convey during that conversation. i can't speak to the comments and whether or not they are constructive or not from other countries. >> [inaudible reporter question he's not been able to provide a answer to this, so i want to as you, do you have the numbers, how many haitians have been deported, how many have been processed, and how many have been allowed to unite estate in the night states for figure i understand why people have been asking, those are numbers that the department of homeland security would have the most up-to-date numbers spread. >> why is it so hard to keep track of a simple number. why can't you give it, it's two days now we've been asked aspirate to gain certain we wil provide it. it's a fair question to ask and i'm sure he just wanted to have the most up-to-date numbers to provide great. >> on the campaign trail president biden said were going to restore our moral standing i the world and is a place for asylum-seekers what how does what happening on the border. >> which aspect of what's happening on the border? >> what's happening with the haitian spread. >> do deeming the photos we've seen? >> first we understand and agre that this has been an incredibl incredibly heart-wrenching issue , we have watched the photos of haitians gathering under a bridge, many with families, and the horrific videos of the cbt officer is on horses using brutal and inappropriate measures against innocent people. think it's important to address that and separately address what's our immigration policies are and understand that people are combining them, but that's why the si question. i would also reiterate there is an investigation that will be completed by next week which is secretary confirmed that will determine the next steps on policy and personnel. all important questions people are asking. in the interim, those people were placed on a ministry to leave and will not be interacting with any migrants. as it reveals we are not going to stand for that kind of inhumane treatment and we want this investigation to be completed rapidly. the insights and immigration system that establishes process for applying for asylum that ranged for them to stay in the united states. that requires congress acting. and it requires also health conditions improving as we are in the middle of a pandemic. we are continuing to expel people coming from a range of countries as we are continuing to apply title 42. they're is a global pandemic. our policies, or border restrictions are being unjust t haitians, but two people that are coming irregularly to migrate to the country from anywhere. more than 90,000 people were expelled in august. that was even before what we've seen in the troubling photos under the bridge. we are applying immigration laws , we are applying what our border requirements, and we are but applying title 40 to which again is a health application given the pandemic. >> i would never describe it that way. we are in a pivotal period of our negotiations and discussion and we always now as we get close to points where there are boys called our there are key moments there needs to be deepe engagement by the president. that is what you're seeing happen today. if you see the advancement of the schedule, he's meeting with leaders and range of practices across the broad bactrim of beliefs in the democratic party. he sees his role as uniting, an as working to bring together people over a overcome an agreement. these meetings are important, you look forward to hearing fro people and look forward to bringing a roll over achieving our shared goal of lowering cos for people and making the tax system more fair. >> just bear with me because there are a lot of moving parts. members of the congressional black caucus are here working with the natural security team. they were talking about the immigration issue at the border. a teleconference or what have you with. >> what do you mean by an updated? >> an update on what happened i the meeting? >> what was given to them. what did they ask for, because black leaders are making of these crisis moment. >> what they're asking for, asylum process, what does that look like. they are going to the border people are actually being able to get who is here. also, we talked about the of what the patrol agents are doin with the range or with the intent to lash, to hurt people, to keep them away from the border. we want to know if that practic still going to be and place. horses and the lashing, those kinds of issues. >> i wanted to have clarity about exact what you're asking about. on the second piece, there is a investigation that is ongoing that the secretary of homeland security has made clear he want to happen quickly. that will help beat a determinant in any policies decisions and personnel decisions both. i'm sure that is what was conveyed as well. just gave a few minutes ago, i think what we are can bearing t anyone who are partners and others who have important questions here is how outraged we also are by these photos in this video, our commitment to this investigation, but also ho our immigration processing system works and in response to the questions are what i tried to lay out is what happens. matter where you are coming from , if you're irregularly migrating, we are still applyin title 42 because we're in the middle of a public health crisis . this is what is conveyed to anyone who has questions. those individuals who are eligible to stay in the united states through a range of our programs, they would be allowed to stay in the united states through a range of our programs if they are there are some who are placed into removal processes where they can also make the case whether it's fear or fear of returning back to their countries, et cetera, the will go through the process as well. i'm sure what they're doing is explaining what our immigration processes are and reiterating a well our outrage at the photos in the video. >> you're going to have to bear with me because this is movie pieces, but they are our people advocates, immigration advocates , especially advocating for the haitian migrants right now that are saying that this administration is breaking you and policies and their own policies by moving people out before allowing them to ask for asylum. is that the case? >> first of all, april, what we are doing, one, haiti has temporary protected status for people who arrived here before july 29th grade that is not a status most other people who ar irregularly migrating from othe countries will have. is individuals, as we go throug these processes i outlined a fe minutes ago, individuals who cannot be expelled under title 40 to, a range of reasons why they may not be able to be, those individuals are placed into removal proceedings right that's where the process would take place where they apply for a variety of programs. while they're in that process the required to provide biometric and biographic information and data. that sow the process works. what's important for people to know and understand that this i how our immigration and border requirements apply to everyone, whether they're coming from haiti or any country in south o central america. >> is that there are people fro other places, but you have africans, who are coming to tha border as well pride what happens with them as they are looking for asylum, are they in the same category with the haitians that are at the border? >> think the point i'm making and we have to move on to get more people is that anyone who is coming from anywhere, if there is temporary protected status for their country as there are for haitians that arrived before july, they can apply through that program. if they're coming from other countries where were we don't have that status, then they are expelled according to title 42. if they can't be expelled with title 40 to, they are placed an expedite all removal or alternative to detention no matter what country they are coming from. >> going back to the phone call this morning with the french president, did president biden apologized? >> he the call as i stated earlier was a friendly call, an there was agreement that we wanted to move forward in our relationship. >> the translations at open consultations made it possible to avoid the situation. you feel like this would've benefited from an open consultation. so similar, but not entirely th same. did he apologized to his french friend? he acknowledged there could've been greater consultation. this call was focused on the important work we have to do with the french ahead. >> was the president using this as a learning point perhaps? who does he believe or should h have been more aware of the potential fallout from this? has he had any conversations with the national security advisor about how this breakdow happened? >> we always look to assess how we can make improvements to how we do consultations and certainly they will apply in part of that happens her conversation with members of th national security team and we will work to apply those moving forward. >> do you feel is responsible for this? >> he holds himself responsible and certainly though he has a responsibility to talk to his team always about how we can best manage our diplomatic relationships. that's what he does and any scenario. >> on the price tag, is the president still committed to $3.5 trillion price tag, or doe he believe now that more flexibility on that number is warranted? >> even before today or before this week, the president has always been open to negotiation and discussions and new that he was not going to be able to magically wave a magic wand and pass a proposal. part of the objective today as he's meeting with a range of members or a range of viewpoint which we welcome is to see wher people are in work to see how w can get this across the finish line moving forward. what he is encouraged by is the fact that there is actually i know we spoke on areas of disagreement, but there's a lot of agreement on lowering costs for american families, and making sure we're investing now and adjusting the climate crisis , making the tax system more fair. there's a lot of agreement on that and we're now at the point where we need to figure out wha the fact that forward is. the president will play a role in uniting people around the next steps. >> event that said there would be a statement in october, is that in france or is that on th sidelines of the g 20 are the council? could get there are some international forms that are happening next month that might being the president to your upgrade i have no formal announcements to make, but, we are still finalizing what it looks like exactly. >> democratic negotiators on th george floyd and bipartisan talks, is that the deal of the white house in response to this announcement. >> i would also say there's a statement put out by booker, i think you are referencing that. so i would say that the president and everybody in the ministration, we have been strongly supporter of the senator and their efforts and we're greatly appreciative of their efforts which we considered to be ongoing for it unfortunately, republicans rejected forms that even the breezy as president. and we were willing, showed the were willing to find consensus. yes, we acknowledge of course with the negotiators have conveyed publicly at this point and time. i can convey to you that in the coming weeks we will consult th president as we do all of our team. we will consult with the law enforcement civil rights communities to discuss about forwards including potential consecutive action they can tak to make sure we live up to the equality and justice under law. >> on the situation on the southern border, the meeting today with members of the cdc, the president talked about the homeland security secretary. how often does the president ge briefed on these situations or is he just getting you reports? >> absolutely he gets briefed o them parrot get the point is trying to ask them yesterday is what is his impression of the situation down there? what does he make of how those border patrol agents seem to be interacting with these migrants and where is he on dealing with these wide range of immigration issues that continue to challenge us? >> on the subject of the video footage in the photos, the president was horrified by that as we all were. he of course received a briefin update from his national security team on the efforts by the secretary of homeland security to launch an investigation and one that he would like to see concluded rapidly. as it relates to our efforts to implement our immigration laws, and border requirements, the president is quite hopeful as h conveyed on his first day and office when he introduced an immigration bill that we can take steps to put and place a more humane, a more orderly system, especially after a very broken one over the last severa years that has better asylum processing, that has a better system in a range of programs individuals can apply to. the president also believes and knows as we all do, we're in th middle of a global pandemic and we need to continue to administer title 40 to, which expels individuals who come to the border. so he is horrified by the photo in the footage, he is also committed to implementing and abiding by our laws. >> so you're understanding of what transpired in the oval office when we were all in ther yesterday trying to hear from the president in the prime minister. >> which aspect? get the british prime minister called on british reporters and then went american reporters tried to call on the american president, we were escorted out let's put it that way. >> i think in that circumstance and i think our relationship with the united kingdom and tha i minister johnston is so stron forward and abiding, he called on individuals from his press corps without alerting us to that intention and advance. >> just following up on this very basic, but very important question, you're telling us tha the dhs chief has the most recent numbers about how many under the bridge have been sent back and how many have been released into the u.s. the u.s. chief is telling us he doesn't know, so who else can w ask for it get you can certainl ask the department of homeland security. i am confident that he wanted t have the most up-to-date number and we will venture to get you those great i promise you this afternoon. >> is this an issue of not knowing or is this an issue of lot more people are being released into the u.s. then are being sent out? to get that is certainly not th issue. at think it's important to reiterate what i conveyed earlier about what the actual process is individuals are held under title 42 bright if they can't be expelled under title 4 to, they are put into a removal process. if they're put into a removal process there are either transported to an ice facility are released with a legal document. that legal document includes fingerprints, photos, and address in the unite states, an a background check for that is the process that transpires, that's a part of our immigratio process regardless of where you're coming from. to get you using title 40 to to defend this administration's immigration policies, that woul be trump air out regulations, you guys came in the trump immigration. >> title 40 to is not an immigration policy, it is a health authority because we are in the middle of a pandemic or the trump administration approach to emigration was inhumane and immoral, that's what we need to put a new polic and place and we need congress to pass that policy. >> democratic control of congress, many months now and you have not even tried. that's not actually true. peter, it just factual here, there has been a bill proposed it was proposed as a part of th reconciliation process, the parliamentarian rejected that proposal, they are going back and proposing new options. the president supports that any would like to see immigration reform passed into law, or humane processes. >> has president biden ever bee to the southern border? >> in his life? i will have to look back in my history books and check the times he's been to the southern border. >> we have looked all morning and we can't find any record of him as president, vice president , senator, or even a concerned citizen. why would that be? >> i will check the last time o when he may have spent but tell me more about why you're asking. >> to make a point that when there are disasters in this country like a wildfire or hurricane to go and see for himself firsthand what the need are of the local communities so that he can have an informed to make policies. why doesn't he go down to dell rio, texas and see what's going on? >> first of all, i think the situation at the border as the result of a broken system. the president certainly relies on his experience, so whether i was the work he did to grass because it is as vice president his efforts when he was in the senate to support comprehensive immigration reform, our steps that at a time were being done and work towards in a bipartisa way, something that certainly w think should be the case today. he uses all of his experiences to inform how he governs, how h approaches challenges, and certainly he looks again at the last four years and the separation of children who we'r ripped from the arms of their parents as a way he does not want to proceed. all of his experiences in time in office where vice president or senate inform his issues. the brazilian health vinegars h took time. >> they're is the white house briefing with jenna psaki, wrapping up our coverage with peter ducey asking a couple of questions right let's now go from the spin at 1600 pennsylvania avenue to the reality on the ground and bill who is life in del rio, texas,. what does it look like from where you are? we seem to be having problems with bill's signal at the moment . do we have our judge from webb county up and ready to go? yes, no? yes. so let's bring in texas judge, judge, thank you for being with myself and shannon. we are trying to get bill back up again, but first of all let' talk to you. thousands of illegal migrants a that del rio camp being release into the united states. we don't know where they're going to summer stained in texa others are going to places elsewhere across the country. your thoughts on what we see down there? >> president biden, here is the press secretary just talking a little bit and talking about president biden's border pen, the border pen he stipulates that he wants order and justice. he wants marts solutions, he wants fair and orderly, infrastructure and keeping families together. talking about him being a senator, but you tell me as a president what has he done? i invite him to come to the border speaking to my other colleagues in the other county county judges, absolutely. right now compounding the situation we have right now, absolutely, the haitians are causing great havoc. they are not incredibly the best , it's been a very difficult to work with, they bent a littl pushy compared to everybody als i got ourselves into the situation. biden has now alienated us and now were in a situation where you're asking about all these immigrants that are coming in, right now we're getting almost 4 -6 buses a day are soft sided facility here in webb county is about to open on friday. they're making it for about 500 people. they're already starting to tal about 1,000 people there they are already sending out i know our airports today are going to start getting flights out. we're sending out about 4-6 flights a day to haiti, but the point is that where is he? all we're asking for is helped. it's very disturbing. our city already is spending $1.5 million, they just passed it to go in and bust some of these immigrants out. why is this our responsibility? >> a big cost for local officials. >> judge, you mentioned a cost and we heard from local officials, but what about the overall economy. what about employees, people that do work back and forth across the border and people whose lives are changed, their inconvenience because of the situation we have there. >> i'm glad you say there because it is very unfortunate. i don't know what's going on with america today, but i can tell you that it's not right here he did here we are, the people doing everything legally that are trying, they make it a real dude where our mask, and your health is our highest priority. i call bs on that because in al reality what's going on with ou southern borders is wide open. the unfortunate thing is that w have found these that have not been able to see each other. you cannot go back and forth, legally you cannot. we have a lot of people that live on both sides, have families on both sides that the basically come and go as they please. right now with the border closed , other than to commercial , it makes no sense. we don't understand what's goin on. here we are, immigration, we ar for legal immigration, but thes immigrants are coming back and forth and making no sense. it is the failure in the biden administration per tier we are, legally we can't come, but we a that number one important in th united states and it's hurting our economy. we need to open up our borders as well. our bridges. of course the point person for the ministration on the problem at the border is vice president kamala harris. are you asking this administration where is the vic president and all of this? get this ad parts about it is you look at the picture it's amazing how they look at one picture and they go off on it, but there's 1,000 pictures of everything else going on that's basically falling through the cracks yet nesting has been mentioned. i'm mostly going to give a very personal to both president of the united states and the vice president because look, two wrongs don't make a right. we could not turn a blind eye o this anymore. i've been saying it over and over again. it's not a border crisis, it's national crisis. we have about 800,000 people that have left here in the united states that are just her and now. the asylum-seekers, you got to remember, eight out of the ten asylum-seekers are not going to get legally excepted here, so what's happening with all of these people. where are they going? it's a bird not just on the local economies and the order, its burden on the state of texas . people, we are so fixated on this pandemic, which is a problem in its own, but now you compound it with this? it just makes no sense. it doesn't take a genius to understand that we need help an come out when asked a question yesterday i believe to the president, what's going to happen. we're going to get on this righ away. we are americans, we just need your help, we need you to take care of us, we need you to look at us and take care of us for that's all you need to do. >> and want to ask you this, judge. the press secretary was pressed on this but she said when she was pressed yesterday about why we now have a fully vaccinated mandate for people traveling here internationally, but not the same requirement for people showing up at the southern border she said those are peopl that don't intend to stay here long. and that's not the impression that most of us have come, you are there, these are human bein seeking a much better life, and coming from oppression in a lot of places, but when they come t the u.s., is that your impression they intend to stay? >> absolutely. wouldn't you? i'd be wanting to go in do everything i can for my family. it is as sad situation about what's going on in their countries. legally at wouldn't have a problem with this but it's causing a burden and here we ar not protecting our own, it's really definitely need them to come down and look at themselves . when they start seeing the babies left in the brush, it is very sad the last couple of days , we have been seeing children, babies, left unattended because that mother and the father for whatever reason. it's a humanitarian crisis. i have spoken to almost all of them, we are at our wits in. our mayors are at their wits an we don't know what to do anymor because it's if you do and if you don't grade i of logic guys for putting this on because mos of the country has kinda failed to see what's going on because if it's not running the narrative, it's not true. well let me tell you, as a border town county judge as a democratic conservative democratic county judge, i can tell you right now it's true, it's happening on our border, and it's a sad situation of president biden needs to take ownership. it doesn't matter what he did i the senate or what he did in th past, today he has an opportunity to show the world what he is and who he is, unfortunately had hasn't done that. >> judge clement thank you for spending time with us. appreciated. >> appreciate you. >> just before we go to build a legion who now we have back. little passes on some interesting statistics because you heard jen say 90,000 people were removed from the country during the month of august. but 208,000, which means 115,47 of the total hung around to som degree. 43,941 were given a notice to appear and released. 19,000 who we're transferred to ice were later released, so of the 208,000 who came across the border, at least 63,457 are still in the states. >> and people will acknowledge on all sides of this conversation that a lot of thos notices to appear or notices to reports are not honored. you got to wonder if people fee like they can integrate into th economy or society and find a way for their families to come in, would we expect the months later or years later to show up for these court hearings? get the answer to that is no. we have built on their end del rio, he joins is now. >> i thought out, good to see you. that was an interesting press conference. you been talking about jen psak comments that she doesn't believe the migrants down here intend to stay for a long time. that is news to these folks dow here, they were coming down her and talk to them i think they would realize they are not traveling from halfway around the world to go on a camping trip for a few days under this bridge and then go back into mexico, they intend to stay. they know under the biden administration if they can step foot on u.s. soil, they will have a chance to be released into the u.s. either with a future court date or something else, they know that. the word about that has spread, and that is just a basic realit of why so many people are showing up in this surge right here. what just catch and release loo like? look at the video we shot in de rio today. these are migrants being droppe off, busloads of them at a loca ngo and dell real. they get food, water, supplies, they put get put on buses to other cities in the u.s. or we've seen at the del rio airport flights of haitians going wherever they want. one of our cameramen had come a journalist have been playing ou seeing them all over their figh and it's in direct contrast to what the he had a message for the migrants, do not come, your journey will not succeed. it will be sent back. that is not the case. may be it is for another but my border patrol sources on the ground in del rio are telling m as it stands right now, they ar flat out releasing all family units and any women who are claiming they are pregnant. they want to get this camp cleared out as fast as possible. what they're doing is they have two options, they can let them go with a notice to report or a nta, notice to appear. notice to report means they are asking the migrants, please, when you show up to this ice office in the future within 60 days and reports. in ncaa is more strict, it says you must show up to this office on this exact date. my sources on the grounds that they are doing for predominatel ntr's right now. he tells me ncr's take about 20 minutes or so for border patrol agents to process while an nta intake upwards of an hour. the idea, the optics of this camp are horrible, it's third world light conditions down here . they wanted cleared out as fast as possible. you can look at our drone instills you the size of this camp, saturday morning it was about 15,000 inside it's now down to around 6,000. they're getting as many people out as they can, but the ministration song made it sound like all these people we're going to be sent back to haiti, don't come here because you're not going to get incoming you not going to get a chance to stay and that is not true. under this administration catch and release has been happening since the biden administration came into office. the national border patrol council says more than 600,000 illegal immigrants have been released into the country ever since the biden administration came into where this isn't something that just started right now in del rio. we have been at the border all year long and have shown the images in mcallen, texas a busload after busload after busload of migrants being dropped off at the bus station to be taken wherever they want. we've shown them on the airplanes getting to go whereve they want. the bottom line here is when yo talk to the migrants in the border patrol agents, when you're actually on the grounds talking with the people dealing with this, talking to the peopl showing up your, you will understand why they are coming. the word is out right now that they believe under this administration they have a chance to stay. many migrants have told me unde donald trump, they felt his policies were cruel, they didn' want their family separated, they didn't want to have to wai and mexico for their asylum cases to play out. they feel under this administration they have a better chance and you see these record hide numbers. two months in a row of more tha 200,000 people showing up at ou southern border. those numbers are not sustainable. when you have a small sector like this here in del rio, you saw how long it took for them t plug up these migrants coming across the border. the word was out the come right now. now they say their tracking other caravans 20,000 in columbia, others gathering across from mcallen part it's a problem the administration is going to have to address. they keep saying we're getting rid of people via periods of federal judges shot down of title 40 to last week saying th ministration can only use it fo two more weeks, so title 40 to might be going out the window i the near future. it depends on how the ministration response, but ever border agent we talked to on th grounds that if i'd titled 240 to were to go away this border crisis that we've been experiencing will absolutely explode. what despite title 40 to do? normally when you deport somebody you have to go into deportation proceedings if the see an immigration judge, they get their chance in court, unde title 40 to that's not the case because of cova 19 they get put on a bus taken across the bridg and dropped back off into mexico . once the word gets out the that title 40 to could go, border agents a expected surge on top of the surge on top of the surge , and things could get much worse in the near future so if the ministration is going to continue to use title 40 to as they're policy, they may not have that much longer. it's bipartisan, congress hasn' done anything on immigration in decades, but the situation as i stands right now is just a head scratch her that we just keep banging her head against the wall as a country and not changing anything. these poor border agents out here deserve better. they're completely overwhelmed. it's not fair to the migrants either because they're coming here expecting something and yo see the conditions here. it's not okay for anybody so something has to change. >> bill, it is shannon here. we think about these people being exploited by cartels and coyotes. they're freedom they now feel, those nefarious organizations a the border is also a reserve resulting corporal effect. want to talk back about something you mention. you talk to folks down there many times in their native language and you found that these are not people who are just showing up from haiti somehow and got to place where they could migrant income through great i know these type of people that have been and other countries for years and they have been waiting there fo an opportunity for possibly thi administration to change, a policy change that would allow them to make this urge because nbc had the headlines nbc news that 20,000 haitian folks were waiting in columbia to potentially search the border. that doesn't happen overnight s you tell us where these people have been the last three years before they showed up in recent weeks? >> shannon, every single haitia i've talked to in this camp all week long has told me they've been living in one country, chile. all of them have been living there great if you take a walk 100 yards away from us what you'll find on the grounds are ripped up ids, documents and discarded passports and ids almost all of them are from chile, people often ask why are they tearing them up, why are they getting rid of their trave paperwork before they come in? that because typically u.s. policy for asylum is asylum wil be rejected if the government knows that these migrants have settled in another country before coming to the united states, so a lot of these migrants told me they've been living in chile since 2014, 2016 , years. when i asked them why did you come now, they all say the same thing. we felt now is the right time, now is the opportunity to come. it's absolutely trooper at people keep asking on twitter, how are people walking from haiti to del rio, there is a huge ocean, they been in chile for a long time now, and they'v been waiting. they just for whatever reason decided now is the time they want to try to come to the united states. from what they have been tellin us and what from what we have seen, they know once they cross the river, they can set foot here in the u.s., if they've go a child or pregnant wife, if they're a family, they will get released with a piece of paper and if they want to, they can disappear into the shadows, and a lot of them do. >> bill, on these point with al these people that have been and places like brazil or chile, an with this other group in columbia. parts of claiming asylum is credible fear if you've been in brazil or chile, which are both modern countries for years, how do you come to the united state in suddenly claim credible fear? >> that's the thing, chile has one of the strongest economies in all of south america. they're are people claiming asylum in these groups to come over but a large majority of th people i've talked to for the past five months our economic migrants. when i asked them why they come they want a better job. they don't make enough money down their pride they want a better financial situation for their family. those are not grounds for asylum . do we want to help everybody? should everybody that wants a better job be lit into the country? that is something politicians will have to decide. they have very specific criteria . you don't have over a million people coming over the border that are going to meet all of that criteria. a large amount of the people we talk to will straight up tell you they won't work here. >> you and your team are doing an incredible job down there showing us pictures and stories that no one else is. thank you to all of your. appreciated. >> let's bring in the former chief of staff to vice presiden pins. markham, but we want to talk to you about the meetings that president biden is having today with democrats trying to get them onboard with this tax and spend program. three and a half trillion dollars. wrist, thoughts from what you heard from the white house toda on the situation down at the border. >> thank you for having me on, john. the reality is that there is no way you can control this and less you have some level of deterrence and i was there in the roosevelt room when vice president pins and secretary pompeo on behalf of president trump negotiated the remain in mexico policy. that is essential to put any sort of control over what is happening at the border. when you listen to jen psaki sa they wanted to change the borde policy would to be something that is more humane in her mind or that they inherited a broken system. does this look fixed? did the images you are seeing look humane great the remain in mexico policy was what allowed us to maintain the border and w need to return to that. >> you know inside and out how it works when you're trying to get domestic policy done as well , so the white house and capitol hill, the meetings back and forth, there is a fracture within the democratic party about who will agree to what. they're are a lot of articles within the beltway is the agend imploding. it looks like you're going to have to work a rubiks cube with the example yesterday to try to get it done. when center is the whole thing is senator joe manchin. what you make of where we stand today? >> shannon, i think the democrats our in a difficult spot which is good for the american taxpayer. the challenge is trying to pass trillions of dollars of tax and spend on the heels of the afghanistan debacle in the border crisis is tougher a lot of moderate democrats. polling suggests that moderate democrat districts, but in democrat districts, the support for this tax bill is 35 percent support and 58 percent opposed. so if you're a moderate democrats in one of these districts in which the president 's numbers are continuing to collapse, and the reality is we have a system if you're up every two years it's different in the senate, they will look at their own future. it is a 59-41 majority. barack obama had huge popularit numbers, they passed their stimulus, they passed obama car and she walked them right off a cliff on cap in trade. no one in the senate could pass a. they're is no suggestion that senate is going to pass these billions of dollars and tax increases, but she's pushing democrats to vote for a. >> you mentioned the president' numbers collapsing, we saw that again with the gallup poll that came out. his approval rating is now at 4. his disapproval rating is at 53 percent. he is well under water accordin to gallup which is one of the most respected polling organizations. if the three and a half trillio dollar tax-and-spend project doesn't pass, progressives on the left have had to tear down the one point to trillion dolla bipartisan infrastructure program for its kevin mccarthy , we understand actively whipping votes against that now. if those two bills go down, wha happens to the biden agenda? >> john, if that happens, the agenda will be in a difficult spot. i think this will continue to play out for several months eve if they have an impasse over th next week there will be opportunities to resurrect resurrected and i think that that probably goes through multiple chapters, so i wouldn' be so ready to dance on the grave yet, but i think that the have a lot of challenges ahead of them. the reality is that margins are very narrow. when we passed tax relief we lost more then a dozen house republicans. they only have a margin of four and the house right now and obviously they have no margin i the senate. its incredibly narrow end of th present numbers continue to collapse, it will be harder to convince these democrats to say come with me on this plan to text trillions of dollars and tax increases and spend, if you add the covid spending plus infrastructure, plus this plan, $12 trillion. americans can't fathom how much $12 trillion is, but there is nearly 100 for that would be sending direct payments of $100,000 to every family in america and spending over just the last year between covid infrastructure and this bill. i think that it's going to take a lot of convincing to get some democrats to support this if th president's numbers continue to fall, it's going to be that muc order. >> a trillion here and a trillion there, eventually adds up with real money. with all those zeroes the fact that we talked about is there i a group that has now forced to strip out for the iron dome, th defensive program which actually , we saw in practice just a few months ago when some 4,000 or so missiles we're projected in their area. it such a fraction of spending and yet they were forced to ben over backwards for the squad to strip that outs, and she didn't tell them know. what message does that send to our allies? >> do it in 20 seconds, margare mark redgate this squad is more to hamas than they are to israel . they said they would repair international relations and you've covered what's happened with france, what's happened with israel, what's happened with her most coveted allies an i think this is another thing. >> we will be calling you back because this is got months to play out. we appreciate you being with us today. a busy news day today. >> it is. i'm glad i got to spend some time with you. at think were in one of those phases, but we promise this would be a boring administration . >> you are going to be working until midnight. i will see you then. >> the story starts right now. >> martha: thanks, guys. i'm martha maccallum in new york. jeanine pirro joins me in moments. she has her fresh take on the massive man hunt that is now underway and intensifying for brian laundrie. he has had a lot of time. police shot down a story this morning they had him in custody. it's not true. cadaver dogs are on the scene. search teams are wading through alligator infested swamps. it's a very dense area. difficult to get through. they're using sonar to

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