Refer to it are making people sick. Chris well ask nebraska Governor Pete Rick Et cetera about the Rick Ets about the battle over federal mandate as the president gets tough with the unvaccinated, then our exclusive sitdown with supreme Court Justice Stephen breyer, we ask about calls for him to step down. Why didnt you retire . Chris and the push by progressives to pack the court. What do you think of the idea of increasing the number of justices on the court . Chris justice Stephen Breyer, only on Fox News sunday. And, America Marks 20 years since the 9 11 attacks shook our nation and kicked off the War On Terror. Now, with the taliban back in control of afghanistan, well ask our Sunday Panel if there is a new threat to the homeland. All right now on Fox News sunday. And Hello Again from Fox News. Today from our brandnew stewed He Yow here in Washington Studio here in washington. On this 20th Anniversary Weekend of 9 11 im sure many of you are still reflecting on that Roll Call of names we heard again yesterday. People of all races and religion that tell like tear drops on our hearts. It never gets easier and maybe thats the point. Well have much more on 9 11, 20 years out, and where we stand in the War On Terror later this hour. But we begin with breaking news, President Bidens new mandate that billions of workers get vaccinated or test for Covid Weekly has created new Battle Lines in the fight over the virus, amid accusations of federal overreach, some 19 republican governors are threatening to as one of them put it fight to the gates of hell. In a moment, well speak with one of the governors, Pete Rickettes of nebraska. First lets bring in Mark Meredith at the White House with a look at the brewing battle. Reporter the president insists sweeping new mandates are necessary to convince some 80 Million Unvaccinated Americans that now is the time to get the shot. But critics argue the president is overstepping his authority and theyre vowing to fight back. Were playing for real here. This isnt a game. Reporter President Biden is brushing off looming legal challenges to new Vaccine Mandates, he says starting soon, osha will require employers with more than 100 people mandate vaccinations or require employees who Opt Out to undergo weekly testing. More workers and contractors will be required to be vaccinated in order to keep their jobs and the tsa is doubling the minimum fine for travelers who violate the mask mandate. My message to Unvaccinated Americans is this, what more is there to wait for . What more do you need to see . Reporter several gop governors claim the president is going too far, arguing american businesses should not be forced to police employees medical choices. I do not believe that people should lose their jobs over this issue and we will fight that. Reporter the White House admits there are limits to what it can mandate for schools. Its urging governors to require School Employees be vaccinated. In los angeles, the nations second largest school district, officials going even further. Soon, every student 12 and older will need to be Vaccinate Todd attend in person classes. Tomorrow, the president is off to idaho to get an update on how the government is battling wildfire, then hes going to california to campaign for Gavin Newsom whose Recall Election has been dominated by his response the pandemic. Chris mark, thank you. Joining us now, the governor of nebraska, pete rickets. Welcome to Fox News sunday. Good morning, thanks for having me on. Chris i want to start with something that you said this week about President Bidens new Vaccine Mandates. Here you are, sir. The president s forgotten we live in america, he thinks we live in the soviet union. The hypocrisy of this is unbelieveable. Chris whats so objectionable about Bidens Vaccine mandates and what are you going to do about it . Well, first of all, we have been encouraging people to get vaccinated, weve been providing information and encouraging people to reach out to their neighbors because Vaccines Work and they will help people but it should be a personal healthcare choice. This is not something that the government should mandate. And Somebody Shouldnt have to make the choice between keeping their job and getting a jab in the arm. Its just wrong. I talked to people, a number of people who have told me if they made me take the vaccine im going to be fired. Im not going to do it. Chris but you say its a personal choice. In fact, to a Attend School in your state of nebraska, children must be vaccinated against a number of diseases. Let me put them up on the screen. They must be vaccinatessed against diptheria, measles, mum mumps, rubella, Hepatitis B and chicken pox. Why are those mandates that parents must comply with routinely, why is it theyre not so objectionable and such a violation of personal freedom but Bidens Vaccine mandates are . Well, for all those that you just listed, theres a long history that parents have had the opportunity to see how those things have been Police Departmented and theres still a lot of people out there who dont know what to trust and in fact this is really an outcome of what the cdc has done because they flipflop on so many issues, whether its masks or whether you have to mask after youve been vaccinated and so forth. Theres a lot of people out there who dont know who to trust right now. By having the Government Force it on them, youre not building trust where we have the trust with those other vaccines. This is a process thats going to take time to bring people along and thats why it should be a personal choice and not something mandated by the government. Chris but forgive me, sir. Im old enough i remember when the Polio Vaccine first came out. A lot of us and certainly our parents viewed it as a blessing and immediately, i lived in new York State at that time, the state mandated that we all get the Polio Vaccine. So were in the middle of a pandemic. There is a new vaccine that Donald Trump was largely responsible for. Its been approved, full approval by the fda. Again, if Polio Vaccine is okay for parents and they have to comply with it to send their kid to school, why not for a lot of people, not just kids, the vaccine for this disease . Yeah, i think this is very different from polio that has very devastating effects and certainly we know if youre older, 65 years and older, thats where 83 of the deaths in nebraska came from, we know its really devastating. We know that 87 of the 65 years and older population has been vaccinated. If youre looking at young children, for example, here in nebraska we can look at the data and see that really children are no more at risk for the coronavirus than they are for the ordinary flu. And so its all about balancing off these risks and the risk for this is just such where this is something that we shouldnt be mandating it. Again, with the whole goal for all were doing at least in nebraska how were doing it is around making sure we preserve Hospital Capacity and a weve successfully done that here. Even without doing statewide mask mandates and without doing vaccine passports. So lets keep the objective in mind which is to be able to provide healthcare and which weve successfully done in nebraska by protecting Hospital Capacity and not have the heavy hand of government come in and tell people what to do. They dont want to hear it. Chris President Biden was asked on friday about leaders, governors like you, who say theyre going to challenge him on the Vaccine Mandates. Heres what his response was. Have at it. Look, i am so disappointed that particularly some republican governors have been so cavalier with the health of these kids. So cavalier with the health of their communities. Chris governor, are you being cavalier with the health of your communities . What were doing is focusing on preserving our Hospital Capacity which weve successfully done in nebraska. Were tied for the third lowest Mortality Rate of any state if the country for people who have contracted covid19 and so we protected that Hospital Capacity, to provide that care, and again, we can look at the data specifically around children and see the risk. Last year in nebraska, if you were age 10 to 19, you were 26 times more likely to die in a Car Accident than you were of covid19. So the president should look at the data and maybe the president should attend one of the weekly calls that the administration has with all the governors. Hes not been on one yet since hes been president and maybe talk to some of the governors and ask them about whats going on in their states because he appears to be pretty ignorant of whats going on in places like nebraska. Chris lets talk about the covid situation in your state. Its not just about kids. Its about the entire population. Let me put the stats up on the screen. Back in june, nebraska was averaging 23 new cases a day. Now with the delta surge, youre averaging 759 new cases a day. Governor, thats the highest since last winter. Yeah, again, what we focus on is preserving our Hospital Capacity and we have seen steady increase in hospitalizations throughout the course of the summer. Here in the month of september, the number of hospitalizations has bounced around between 379 and on friday it dropped down to 350 so its been in that range through most of september. And that is in contrast to the 987 we had at our peak in november of 2020. So you can see were well below where we reached our peak last year. We didnt declare a Staffing Emergency for hospitals to be able to help them manage their folks to make it easier to bring in nurses and so forth but what we focused on is providing the Hospital Capacity. We set up a Transfer Center to be able to move people around between hospitals statewide and all that to make sure were protecting Hospital Capacity and thats our Guiding Star in Nebraska And Weve done it very successfully as i indicated with our success in keeping people from dying from this disease. Chris i want to talk to you about that because i looked into the situation, the stress on Hospital Staffing and Hospital Beds and the fact is on September 1st you announced your state was opening a hospital Transfer Center that would allow patients to be moved around in case there wasnt enough staff or beds in one place. You also have directed Health Measures to limit elective surgeries and one of your top health officials says the fact is, there isnt enough room in your hospital by the end of each day for high level care. Actually, what weve done is moved people around if we needed to. Thats what the Transfer Center is for, to make it easier for hospitals who want to move a patient to get more acute care to be able to efficiently move that person into a hospital, primarily happens when youve got a more rural Hospital Setting that may not have all the facilities that maybe some of our urban centers do and allows them to efficiently get that to the right hospital and certainly we are encouraging people to continue to get vaccinated as part of this but were managing our Hospital Capacity very successfully in the state with the tools that we provided with the Staffing Emergency. Chris so i asked you a question at the top. I asked you why it was so objectionable. You answered that. You didnt answer the other question. Lets finish with that. What are you going to do about president Bidens Vaccine mandates . Yeah, so ive been talking to my Attorney General. Hes coordinating with the other attorneys general across the country who share similar views about the overreach. This is egregious overreach of federal authority and as we see what the rules are well be able to know exactly how well be able to challenge them in court. Im also talking with my colleagues around the country as well, the other governors who feel the way i do and well be working on other strategies but ive got to tell you, ive heard from so many workers, so many small businesses who say this is just not going to be something they can handle. So many people told me theyre going to be fired if theyre forced to take the vaccine. This is going to create huge problems for our small businesses and for our american workers and again, you shouldnt have to make the choice of keeping your job or getting a jab in the arm. Chris very briefly. You say youre going to court. Any idea how soon . Well, when we get an idea of what these rules exactly well be, well know how to be able to attack it in court. Chris governor, thank you. Thanks for your time today. Please come back, sir. Great. Thanks very much for having me on, chris. Chris Up Next, well bring in our Sunday Group to discuss the biden Administrations Battle with some governors over Vaccine Mandates as well as its fight with texas over that states new Abortion Law. This is not about freedom or personal choice. Its about protecting yourself and those around you. You would expect words like that from the president maybe of Communist China or of north korea, scolding and conned sending to condescending to americans, dripping with scorn, that its somehow their fault that theyve been affected by the virus. Chris sharp pushback to the president s announcement that the federal government will impose a Vaccine Mandate on businesses with more than 100 employees. Its time for our Sunday Group. Gop strategist karl rove, Susan Page of Usa Today and Charles Lane from the Washington Post. So karl, what do you think of the president s new Vaccine Mandates, both as a matter of policy and as a matter of politics . Well, first of all, the question is where does his authority exist to impose this. Its one thing to say as the president of the united states im going to require that all federal employees and members of the military and federal contractors should get it but its unclear to me where the authority comes to apply this to all employers with more than 100. Hes doing this under 50yearold Law that allows the osha at the Department Of Labor to put in place an emergency temporary standard. This has been done nine times in 50 years. In three instances it was relatively modest, wasnt challenged in court. In six instances it was challenged in court and lost five times. I think the president is doing this because hes afraid to go to congress to get the authority that makes it a law to do this. Private companies have the ability to say to their companies to take the vaccine or fest or you dont have test or dont have a job but i dont think the federal government has the authority to do what the president s talking about. Chris theres no question the president s standing in the polls has slipped as the Delta Variant has spiked, and theres no question if you look at the polls the democrats are overwhelmingly in favor of Vaccine Mandates. So is it your sense that the White House feels, one, this is the way to deal with the real problem that theyre getting hit on, and in addition, whether they win or lose, its a good fight to pick with republican governors like Pete Ricketts . Well, the White House insists they have firm legal standing to take these steps. The fact is, the bigger threat to Joe Biden and his presidency is not accusations of government overreach, its a failure, it would be a failure to get this pandemic under control. That is the issue that elected him president and its job one for his administration and clearly the administration has had more trouble than they expected in convincing the vaccine reluctant to go ahead and get a shot, so i think what they decided to do is what David Axle Rod said is getting caught trying, that youre better off trying to do something sweeping to get this pandemic under control, even at the risk of court challenges from all these republican governors. Chris chuck, as our Supreme Court watcher, how strong do you think the president s case is that through osha, which says that it can establish Emergency Rules to make a safe work of place, that they have workplace, that they have the authority to do this . I have to say in the last week, ive been reading up on the 1905 case of Jacobson V massachusetts where came fringe, Mass Threw Chew massachusetts was able to order an individual to get a vaccination for small pox. Does the federal government and Joe Biden, do they have the authority to do this . Well, that president is very much on point and has influenced the courts recent limited rulings on various public Health Measures related to pandemic. The difference in that case of course was that it was a State Law that directly authorized or rather required this vaccine. What were talking about here, and karl went through it a little before, is something more a little more attenuated, working through osha to require employers to require. I think in all of this, there hasnt been quite enough attention on the fact that there is an alternative for the employee to getting vaccinated which is submitting to regular testing. And that may help the president s proposal stand up in court. You know, chris, the one thing i remember from Law School is wait to read the text and we wont even see the text of this order it seems for several weeks. And it will only be then that we really having to have a lawsuit about as governor ricketts i think alluded to. So what were going to have between now and then is a lot of posturing about the legal issues involved and perhaps a lot more people rushing out to get vaccinated in anticipation of it. But as we sit here today, we still dont know exactly what the rule is going to be. Chris i want to turn in the time we have left in this segment to another story and that is the Justice Department announced this week that it is going to sue the state of texas over its new Abortion Law that says that it can ban abortions after six weeks when a fetal heartbeat is detectable and here was the Attorney General of the united states, Merrick Garland, on that. Take a look. This kind of scheme to nullify the Constitution Of The United States is one that all americans, whatever their politics or party, should fear. Chris karl, there are real questions about whether or not the federal government has what they call in a technical sense standing, whether its a legitimate party to sue the state of texas at this point. I think thats right. But an Abortion Provider can and a woman who finds herself in a situation thats affected by the law would have standing but i agree, the federal government, this is more like a political stunt to demonstrate the administrations in favor of protecting a Womans Right to abortion under Roe V wade. But i do think an Abortion Provider if they go to court and theres one already on its way in texas is going to find a juicy target in this Enforcement Mechanism in which the government does not enforce the law but its instead enforced by private individuals suing in civil court, its a clever effort to avoid judicious review of the law, and its why Governor De Santis said were going to have a fetal Heartbeat Law but we wont use the Enforcement Mechanism they have in texas. A number in the pro Life Movement are concerned about the Enforcement Mechanism as well. Chris susan, i want to ask you, why would the Justice Department announce its going to sue even before theres a case, even before there is a case that we know of where an Abortion Provider gave a woman an abortion after the six week deadline, why would they decide to sue so preemptively. Legal ingenuity on both sides with this one, this peculiar and unique law tries to avoid Court Review by empowering citizens rather than officials to enforce it and thats been a challenge for those who might traditionally bring a suit against this law and i think thats why the Justice Department has stepped in. Legal ingenuity on the Justice Departments part as well on this. A lot of pressure from the president s political base, which is prochoice, supports a Womans Right to choose, to get involved with this because its going to be so tricky in the Court System especially in the wake of this supreme Court Decision not to enjoin this law when it was first when it first reached the docket. Chris we have to take a break here. Well see alittle later in the hour. With the Supreme Court likely to get embroiled in disputes over Vaccine Mandates and abortion, Up Next my exclusive interview with supreme Court Justice Stephen breyer. We ask him about adding seats to the court and why he ignored calls to retire. That Spin Class was brutal. Well, you can try using the buicks massaging seat. Oh. Yeah, thats nice. Can i use Apple Carplay to put some music on . Sure, its wireless. Whats your buicks wifi password . Its buick envision. Thats a really tight spot. I used to hate parallel parking. all together me too the Allnew Buick envision. Built around you. All of you. 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You quote Alexander Hamilton as saying that the judiciary has neither purse, like congress, nor sword, like the executive, and so it has to rely on public acceptance for its authority. Is the public acceptance, is the authority of the court in jeopardy . Hard to say. I mean, i dont think im an optimist and so i think, well, people understand to some degree why its a good idea what hamilton thought and he thought the court should be there because there should be somebody, somebody who says when the other two branches of the government have gone outside the confines of this document, who is that . The president . Well, he was a little worried the president might say whatever he did was right. Congress . Well, some countries do have that. And a member of congress knows whats popular. He didnt know what was popular, he wont be there or she wont be there for a long time. But this document is made for unpopular people upas much as for popular people. Chris im curious, do you carry a copy of the constitution with you or just for tv . No, not just for tv. Its always in my pocket and i hope i will put a jacket on that has one in my pocket as you never know when somebody will ask a question. Chris which brings us to the second half of the title of your book, the peril of politics. You say that if people come to view judges, justice as politicians in robes, that that undercuts the authority of the court. To a degree. I think it would. I mean, Junior League politicians. If you want to have a politician, lets have a senior league politician. Chris one of the most interesting parts of your book, you say at one point its wrong to think of the court as a political institution. But then you quickly add to say that theres a complete divorce between the court and politics isnt quite right either. Yes. Chris so which is it . When the court and what i think was one of its perhaps its greatest decisions, said the words of this constitution which say equal protection of the law mean that you cannot have Racial Segregation by law. When they said that, a few years later a case comes up about marriage between a black man and a white woman. Ha. Did they hear that and say it was illegal . Frankfurter said, i believe it was frankfurter, dont take it now. Hear the case later. Why . Because they were having a very, very, very hard time getting the south to accept their ruling and so theyre interested in that and Earl Warren was a great political figure and i always thought i have no evidence i always thought his experience in politics led him to think lets not take it now. Eventually they took it and they said of course people of different races can get married. Of course. That timing, that timing is the kind of thing that the law books dont teach you that. Its not there in the treatises. Chris in other words, even the Court Cant go too far too fast. No. Chris so lets pursue that. You say judges should not play politics, should not push ideology, but they do have different philosophies. You write some judges emphasize text and history, some emphasize purposes and consequences. But Justice Breyer, isnt that a bit of a copout . Because dont the judges, the textualists almost always tilt conservative and dont the consequences justices youve been accused of being that generally lean i dont know. Its so easy to say. There is a recent case involving gay rights, rights in the workplace, not sexual discrimination, that was made up of a group of people, the majority there who they included people who emphasize consequences and they included people who emphasize absolutely pure text. You see . Chris one of your arguments against seeing the court as political is the fact that it refused to even hear the appeals from the Trump Camp about the 2020 election. Didnt even hear it. No judge has had the courage, including the Supreme Court, i am so disappointed in them, no judge including the Supreme Court of the united states has had the courage to allow it to be heard. Chris why was that . Why was it . Because they didnt bring a case, i guess, that met the normal criteria for being heard. When we decide to take a case, there has to be four votes to take it. So i cant go beyond that. But we do know there were not four votes to take it because it wasnt taken. And there are criteria and if we dont take a case, the reason in all likelihood is that the criteria werent met. Chris one of the problems you discuss in your book is the growing partisanship of the Confirmation Process. Back in 1994, you were confirmed by the u. S. Senate 879. Question do you think in 2021 as a former staffer for edward kennedy, theres any chance you would get 87 votes . I know what youre saying and the answer is of course no. Chris look at what Senator Mitch Mcconnell did. In 2016 he refuses to give Merrick Garland even a hearing in the eight months before the election and then in 2020 he pushes through Amy Coney Barrett in one month before the election. Doesnt that undercut the authority of the court . I was confirmed. And i was nominated. And the Confirmation Process and the Nomination Process well i say usually when you ask me about that and people do, i say its like asking for the recipe for Chicken Ala King from the Point Of View of the chicken. [laughter] and i must say thats a glib joke. But the truth of the joke is, thats the political environment. Now, you may disaprove of it. I may disapprove of it. And if enough people in the public want it to change or be modified one way or the other, it will be. Chris i interviewed your colleague, the late Justice Ant Antonin scalia in 2012 and i want to play clip from that interview. Take a look. Will you time your retirement so that a more conservative president can appoint a likeminded justice . I would not like to be replaced by someone who immediately sets about Undoing Everything ive tried to do for 25 years, 26 years, sure. But i mean, i shouldnt have to tell you that. [laughter] unless you think im a fool. [laughter] chris do you agree with scalia that a justice who is unmindful of the politics of the president who replaces him, whose unmindful of that, is a fool . I dont intend to deion the die on the court. I dont think ill be there forever. Ive said a few considerations previously. Chris do you think the consideration that scalia mentioned, i dont want to be replaced by somebody who is going to undo everything that ive undo everything ive done . Chris yeah. I see the point and the background theres there are many considerations, many, many considerations. Chris this brings us to the calls for you to step down while a democratic president and a democrat can appoint your successor and a democratic senate can consistent Family Room your successor. Heres one example of that. He makes his own decision about if hes going to retire but if hes going to retire, it should be sooner rather than later if you are concerned about the court. Chris what do you think of those calls . Well, i think theyre entitled to their opinion. [laughter] i think not only they understand the political world much better than i, and pretty well, and there we are. What else do you want me to say . Chris they would say you ignored those calls and increased the chances that a republican senate will be there to confirm your successor. I mean, there are factors, there are many factors in fact quite a few and the role of the court and so forth is one of them and the situation, the institutional considerations are some and i believe ive i cant say i take anything perfectly into account but in my own mind i think about those things. Chris so why didnt you retire . I didnt retire because i decided on balance i wouldnt retire. Chris President Biden has appointed a commission to come back to him in november and discuss weigh in on possible reforms to the court. What do you think of the idea of increasing the number of justices on the court . One party can do it, i guess another party could do it. And the more i mean, surely surface, on the surface it seems to me you start changing all these things around and people will lose trust in the court. Chris what about Term Limits . People even justices live a lot longer now than they did knack the 18th did back in the 18th century. Would it lower the political heat if, say, a justice served for 18 years instead of a Life Term . I think you could do that. It should be a very long term because you dont want the judge who is holding that term to start thinking about his next job. But it would make it a lot easier for me. Chris you just turned 83 years old. Ive got to say, you look terrific. Youre of Sound Mind and body. Thank you, thank you. Chris what do you hope people say about your service on the court . [clapping] the best thing they could say, i thought i liked very much, it appealed to me, what Thurgood Marshall said. What do you want on your tombstone . He said, he did his best. Thats it. Im there for everybody. Im not just there for the democrats, not just there for the republicans, im not just there because i was appointed. Its a very great privilege to be in that job. Part of it is to remember youre there for everyone. They wont like what you say half the time or more but youre still there for them and thats a privilege of the job. You have to giving your all and you have you to work as hard as you can. You see, i think its important we have trust. Chris the name of the book is the authority of the court and the peril of politics. Justice breyer, thank you. Thank you very much. Thank you. Chris Up Next, 20 years after 9 11, the taliban is back in charge in afghanistan. 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Karl, i have to say, watching those ceremonies, 20 years after the fact, it is still deeply emotional. Im sure it was for all three of you as well, but karl, as somebody who was in the White House that terrible day, it still packs a punch, doesnt it . Sure does. Packs a big punch. Chris your thoughts . Your remembrances of that day, and looking back on it now from the Vantage Point of 20 years . Well, i must admit, i feel Sorrow And Loss every time this day rolls around but this year i feel angry because for 20 years we kept America Safe by projecting our power abroad and fighting them over there so we didnt have to fight them Here And Now this September 11th was celebrated in kabul by the taliban, the people who gave Osama Bin laden sanctuary in afghanistan and allowed him to launch his attacks on our country. The new Prime Minister of afghanistan was the Foreign Minister in 2001. And when we said to him, surrender Osama Bin laden or suffer the consequences, he told us to pound sand. The Interior Minister has a 10 Million bounty by the united states on his head for having participated in the 2006 attack in kabul that killed six americans. His uncle, another member of the network, is the Refugee Minister which you allows him to provide cover for foreign terrorists to come into afghanistan and receive documents and he has 5 Million bounty on his head so we took afghanistan which was, you know, which was trying to be a modern nation, respected human rights, allowed women to be educated and worked and we surrendered it and general milley was accurate when he said within 24 months, 36 months, afghanistan will be there will be, quote, a resurgence of terrorism because of what has happened in afghanistan. Chris i want to pick up on that in a moment. But one News Development this week is that some americans did get out of afghanistan either on charter flights to qatar or overland and the biden administration is having to walk a tight rope in talking about how it is dealing with the taliban. Take a look. Our engagement with the taliban and with the government, interim or longterm, will be for purposes of advancing the national interest. Chris susan, this is a tricky issue for President Biden and his team. On the one hand, they do as a matter of reality have to do business with the taliban. But they also have to be cleareyed about who these guys really are. Yes. And they are being extremely cautious in the words they say now because we are continuing to try to get a handful of remaining american citizens who want to evacuate from afghanistan and other endangered afghans who have been allies of ours during this long war but the fact is, this administration while its not likely to recognize the taliban as a government, is going to have to deal with the taliban as the people in charge of afghanistan and that is going to become more and more difficult as we see video of women being beaten in the streets and Repry Sals reprisals against afghans who helped us during that war. This is an issue that is not over for the biden administration. It may get more complicated. Chris and then, chuck, there is as karl mentioned, the Terror Issue and general milley talking about having to reassess and reassess is a nice word to say upgrade the Terror Threat that comes from afghanistan and then theres also this issue of President Biden likes to talk about, well, we can handle the Terror Threat from over the horizon which means without anybody within hundreds or even thousands of miles of afghanistan. But in the last terror strike, Drone Strike, rather, of the u. S. War, the 20year war in afghanistan, i want to put this up on the screen. Theres reporting now that our final Drone Strike in afghanistan that we were saying at the time supposedly took out a vehicle filled with explosives and armed by isisk may instead have killed 10 innocents including seven children, so chuck, this idea that were going to be able to effectively fight Alqaida Or Isisk or whomever from over the horizon, not going to be that simple. That Story Couldnt be more tragic, the Washington Post also covered it. It turns out that its very likely that was not a Car Bomb in preparation but if you can believe it an Aid Mission being led by somebody who had an outstanding application to come to the united states and of course it illustrates that the intelligence must have been f those stories are true, must have been terribly flawed and it goes to the point about what we have given up by leaving afghanistan, namely that that on the ground, Incountry Presence including the support of a friendly government, indeed a dependent government, to make sure that our intelligence is more accurate. On the subject, it leads you to the atmosphere that surrounded all those terribly moving moments yesterday. How different it might have felt if either we had not left afghanistan yet or if the departure had gone more smoothly and more nobly. Of course, i think thats what President Biden had in mind when he embarked on the withdrawal, of coming to this date in a much more celebratory mode but instead were left to contemplate a lot of these di dilemmas that will linger and that i think must have contributed, certainly did in what i saw, to the feeling of melancholy and frustration that did prevail all day yesterday. Chris karl, ive got about a minute left. The biden administration talks about hoping to reset hell 9 resettle 95,000 afghans in this country but theres quite a he debate, especially among republicans, about whether or not we have adequate vetting to bring 95,000 afghan refugees into this country safely. Well, its going to be a difficult task. With a lot of people we do have good vetting. Some people we dont. You will see recently that i think it was 44 afghans who made it to the u. S. Were returned abroad because the vetting showed they were problematic. But we have a moral obligation to stand with those who stood with us. I have a friend who was in and out of afghanistan a lot. He had a number of interpreters. He was attempting to get one of his interpreters out, not in kabul, but he didnt get him out because the taliban took him into custody, brought all of his family together, brought together witnesses and then killed him in front of his family before killing every member of his family except the 10yearold Daughter who was given to a taliban warrior as an arranged bride. Thats why we need to stand with the people of afghanistan. Chris pretty clear our Involvement And Engagement with afghanistan is not over after these 20 years. Thank you, panel. Up next, a look at the raid that killed the mastermind of 9 11 including a terrifying moment where a faltering helicopter forced the team to change its plan, just as they reached the compound. Music Chris as weve said, this weekend marks that moment 20 years ago when enemies carried out the worst Terror Attack in the history of our country. But its also just over 10 years since the u. S. Brought the battlefield back to pakistan and took out the architect of that terrible day. Thats the subject of my new book, countdown Bin Laden, the untold story of the 247day Hunt to bring the mastermind of 9 11 to justice. It takes you behind the scenes of the Special Forces raid that killed Osama Bin laden from the perspective of the intelligence, political and military professionals who pulled it off. And Tonight Youll hear directly from many of them in a new Documentary Countdown Bin Laden. Here is a brief look. We were tracking the helicopters and realized that they were now over the compound. I think everybody understood that this was the critical moment. Because once they hear those helicopters, youve got about 90 seconds to be able to repel down and go in before Bin Laden is truly alerted to whats happening. Chris the plan they practiced so many times went south quickly. I was looking on the big screens there as helicopter came in and i could see it start to waffle. Chris the lead Black Hawk fought to maintain control and then hit the wall of the compound. I immediately said to bill mccraveen, i said what the hell has happened. And bill didnt Miss A beat. He basically said, look, weve got a Backup Helicopter coming in, were going ahead with the mission, were going to repel and go in through the walls. This mission is going on. And i remember saying god bless you, lets do it. Our pilot realized in an instant, if he cant hover, i cant hover, so youre not going to the roof. I remember my first foot on the ground, i thought to myself, i guess we start the war from here then. Chris you can watch countdown Bin Laden tonight at 10 00 p. M. Eastern on Fox News channel and after it airs you can stream it any time on foxnation. Com. My book which tells the full story is out now, available online and in stores. And thats it for today. Have a great week. And well see you next Fox News sunday. We are we the people, the citizens. See you next time on Life Liberty and levin. Good Evening Everyone Welcome to the next revolution this is another pro Worker Family pro community this weekend especially polymeric. These two men Andrew Carnegie and rockefeller lied and shed just cheated for the pursuit of economic power the Robber Baron of capitalism in a heated that so they set about changing their image of wanted people to forget about all the terrible things they did so carn