Well as Congressman Tom Cotton of arkansas and Steve Scalise of louisiana, the house minority whip. John the highly anticipated summit between President Biden and its russian counterpart Vladimir Pittman Bos not over here in geneva. The two leaders discussing a strained relationship amid months of aggression from moscow. Im John Roberts live in geneva and this is america reports. Sandra im Sandra Smith here in new york. Right now we are awaiting President Biden is set to hold a News Conference similar to that of President Putin as we just watched him for about 55 minutes taking questions from about 20 reporters. Not that the live look in geneva, john, where you are sitting, as we await the president at his News Conference separately. We wonder where that location is its really just across the harbor, across from where we are and just outside of the Villa Lagrange which is where the two leaders met for some four hours. And what an extraordinary Press Conference we just saw from vladimir putin, really Coming Out of that bilateral meeting. And the extended bilateral meeting was an opportunity without challenge except from reporters to really spin this meeting anyway he wanted it basically saying that russian has nothing to do with the Cyber Attacks of the United States is been experiencing. Actually having the audacity to say that the United States is the Premier Location for Cyber Hackers Around The World to be operating from. Sandra President Putin would say he did not describe it as a hostile meeting, he called tone constructive. The tOne On Cyber Warfare was one of the biggest issues heading into this and he is that its not his country responsible for it, its the u. S. And Latin America which of the biggest perpetrators of that. The biggest list which he did not name. He did discuss with President Biden, they had an agreement at least to start negotiations on cybersecurity. What really stood out to me as well, john, listening to that 55 minute News Conference was the discussion on redlines. Boudin said he and biden didnt get into details but he went on to say we understood Each Other. Former Secretary Of State Mike Pompeo was just on following the Putins Conference and He Said, this is what he hopes from this moment one biden takes the microphone. More clarity on what the discussion was as far as redlines, specifics he will look for. Hopefully The Press presses him on just that. John at vladimir putin also saying he didnt experience any hostility from the american president and didnt feel any pressure from the american team. At going into this it was hoped particularly by people, critics of President Biden who were worried that he would not be strong enough with vladimir putin that he was going to hammer putin on some of these very important issues. According to boudin that didnt happen. Now of course thats putins spin on things and we will see what President Biden says about all this. It will also be very interesting to say how many questions President Biden will take. And thats what level of detail hes willing to go about what transpired here in gm. President biden , inc. Sandra we are about to talk to several Trump Administration officials in the middle of these two News Conferences and a trump obviously did come up in the putin News Conference. He described President Biden as experienced and noted several times, he says he is different on President Trump. Putin went on to say that his predecessor had a different view and this one decided to act differently. His buy was different then trumps said vladimir putin which was also an interesting moment. John he also went back to his meeting with President Bush. He said he didnt have an internal Friendship Or Love or anything like that and we both represent our countries and the relationship is pragmatic. Former Security Advisor joins us now, great to see you and thank you for taking the time. What did you make of what you saw there from the russian president . The first thing i want to say as it was good staffing by Jake Sullivan and Secretary Blinken, not to put President Biden with President Putin. He was an expert at these events and he can go for hours at a time of answering questions without notecards. Is a skill former Kgb Officer and President Biden has not spent a lot of time with The Press even though the later part of the campaign or as president. Looking forward to a couple of days of travel in europe so i think it was probably better that good Stuff Work, unfortunately we give boudin the platform to spend propaganda along with that interruption on other hand. I think biden Coming Out alone will be better for the president and better for the country been having not to compare and contrast. So you think it was good staffing but do you really think it was good for america because your former colleague, former Secretary Of State Mike Pompeo has said that you want to save him like a Show Strength american president and i say very publicly, and there are two charges against that person. I dont disagree with them, and that might have been the approach the stuff would take. I think in this case hopefully President Biden showed and the russians came to these meetings. They are very softspoken but they are master negotiators and if Theres Weakness they exploited. They have to approach these things with resolve and quiet confidence and not get many openings, and im sure it will do a good job for the United States but i think it was probably discussion was the better part of valor with Secretary Blinken and making that call and im not going to secondguess it. John anyone who is watching Around The World for the 55 minutes of vladimir putin Press Conference has caught the sense that everything went really well. There wasnt any pressure or any hostility from the american delegation. Putin came out there and said to Cyber Hacking, we dont have anything to do without. The majority of that happens in the United States and seconded to United States and canada. He was spinning this in the way he wanted to as a former Kgb Agent for the world. How can President Biden now walk that back . Is going to have to be tough and call rush out. Its very easy for President Putin to say he doesnt know anything about it but criminal gangs on Cyber Hackers dont operate in a vacuum in russia. Nothing happens in russia without the approval or at least the knowledge of president vladimir Putin And Kgb and Svr And Fsg colleagues and i hope President Biden delivered a very tough message behind closed doors. But two things happened prior to the summit. The russians had two primary Policy Goals during the Trump Administration and biden administration. Number one was a clean renewal of new start and that allows them to continue to build hundreds of clear weapons outside of the treaty while we build none. We negotiated a preliminary deal that would give them an extension of a new start but would require them to stop expanding their nonnew start weapons for file. They have a clean five year extension. The second priority was nordstrom, they want to be able to have Energy Independence and its Oil Fields and illiquid Natural Gas Fields and we had stopped the Trump Administration, with stopped with nordstrom to dead in its tracks. Again that was given to the russians and as far as we know the u. S. Got nothing in return. So vladimir putin came to the summit already taking a lot of chips off the table so i think he was probably in a great mood. At a minimum we couldve gotten trevor and Paul Reid as a result of either of those. These are the start extension, we even get our hostages home. Boudin has done well until now and i got america pushed back and we got some veteran Deals Today and we will have to wait and hear from President Biden. Those are two very big wins from President Putin going into the summit, didnt even have to asking when he got there. Did you see any reason that would give him to stop with the maligned activities that hes been engaging in with the ukraine and crimea and russian troops on the border with ukraine, messing around with the u. S. Elections, allowing the cyber criminals free reign within russia . Is there anything that youve seen so far that would encourage him to stop that . No, and id add to that Enter Interference in moldova and georgia. The russian troops are there supporting separatists in georgia, the russian troops in syria, there is the equivalent of the taking place. The russians are involved in a not helpful manner in libya, i didnt see anything there. Russia has major power, their nuclear power, we have had these sorts of meetings and i met with Boudin And Lab brother in berlin. My national Security Advisor counterpart, this past fall. You got to talk to them and they our big major powers and there are are areas where interests overlap. Keeping china out of the arctic where both russia and the United States dont want china turning the arctic into their new south china sea, counterterrorism and seven intelligence sharing. Its unclear if we made any progress there and so far the russians havent seen fit to do anything. These mutual interests that we have havent seem to motivate them to do anything that would be helpful to the United States. John we have yet to hear from President Biden, the only Thing Concrete that came out of the summit was the fact that the United States and russia ever turned. Ambassador Robert Obrien, good to spend time with you and thanks for your analysis on this. We know you thought you know an awful lot about this and we appreciate you being here. Good to be with you, safe travels home. Sandra of more now on our top story and President Bidens meeting with vladimir putin. We can leave that live shot up there in geneva because we are about to see the president walk off to the microphone. A congressman, great to see you and thanks for joining us. To what Mike Pompeo had to say earlier on all of this,s is going to be President Biden standing here alone. The former Secretary Of State said that this shows enormous weakness, not to stand up together with pruden on that Stage And Talk to reporters. He said pruden showed up loaded for bear and the fact that you cant stand up six or 8 feet from your adversary and told the world what you talked about, he worries that the shows weakness. So set this up for you as we await the president to take questions from reporters. Unfortunately we seen a lot of weakness from President Biden as it relates to russia. They won, President Biden kills the Keystone Pipeline and kill thousands of american jobs and undermines our relationship with canada and turns around just a few weeks ago and he gives financial incentives to russia so that russia can build a pipeline to germany. So he helps russia create russian jobs and russian Energy Dominance with germany and he undermines americas Energy Dominance that we had under President Trump. Is he going to stand up to President Putin on the hacking thats been done from russians . Remember President Biden who was Vice President when russia tried to interfere with our 2016 election, i didnt see President Biden stand up to him then. I hope he stands up to him now but its a Long Time Coming and so far he hasnt proven that hes willing to stand up to russia. In fact its been helping russia every step of the way. Its time that we get tough against all of our adversaries, not just russia, china, and iran. Look what they are doing with hamas and israel. Its time for this president to stand up to the bad actors Around The World. Sandra what do you hope to hear from the president when he takes questions in a few moments . We heard from pruden, we heard his side of the discussion and Mike Pompeo set a moment ago he hopes that bite and some clarity on the redlines in this discussion with putin. What do you want to hear . Id like to hear him confront on what russia has done to interfere with many aspects of american life. He saw the hacking of the pipelines. Does a lot of other Ransomware Attacks that we see, the disinformation that russia is very actively engaged in and of putin himself was engaged in more disinformation today. It was bizarre when earlier today President Biden was asked if he trusted 210 and He Said yes. How can you trust the former Kgb Agent, who has shown in the last few months of trying to undermine america and again, what theyve done with Cyber Attacks and attacking our allies and undermining our Energy Security and biden helping him do that, its time for President Biden to stand up to the bad actors like putin. Sandra as far as what else we heard from pruden and what came out of this meeting, He Said he and biden dont see eye to i on many issues but both sides of show that they are willing to understand Each Other and he did call these talks constructive. Do believe its a good thing that these two World Leaders are sitting down together and that they did meet today . Its always good to have dialogue between the United States and people Around The World whether they are allies or our enemies or people that we are trying to address problems with and there are a lot of problems that i hope President Biden has brought up to putin and i hope he puts redlines out there so that he knows that there are places hes got to go to resolve issues. If he doesnt, theres going to be consequences. Why did President Biden give him that gift on the Nordstrom Pipeline without at least addressing some of these other problems before he deals with something that hurts american Energy Security. Sandra what about that sort of deflection that appeared from pruden when it comes from the cyber acts that its not russia, its not his country, its the United States, Latin America . You pointed fingers elsewhere. Thats classic disinformation. We know a lot of it is coming from russia and we know it has continued to come from russia, the disinformation that comes from russia. Its time for this president to stand up to people like putin. John Steve Scalise from the great state of louisiana. John, it appears that things are getting ready, we received the Twominute Warning and we should be seeing and hearing from the president shortly. Of course we are wondering after an hourlong News Conference that President Putin offered, how long President Biden intends to go and how many questions he will take. John hes never really gone very deep as we say into the Press Corps, maybe five or six or seven questions at best. The persons he calls on our already written down for him so there is no question as to where hes going to go. Contrast that with President Trumps freewheeling style on calling on anybody whos in the room, and sparring with them as well. Thats not to say that that happened during the last Big Time that President Trump met with President Putin, there was only a couple of questions on each side. And there you see the president s Body Man putting down his remarks and giving his summation as to how this went. He had to have looked at what putin did and said to his staff, we got to go longer than we normally go so maybe that was the reason for the lengthy delay before he gets up there outside of the Village Daily Grounds to address the american Press Corps. Im sure there will be some members of the international Press Corps there as well. Sandra we remember biden made a lot of headlines for calling Putin A Worthy Adversary Rep Advertising him as bright and tough. In the words of Mike Pompeo He Said, they are watching us. They smell weakness and when they stiff sniff it they will drive a truck through it. So many prominent republicans did Slam Biden in the case of Lindsey Graham for the appeasement of the World Leader by using the sort of language that he has and we will see if theres any change in that tone when we hear from the president moments from now. John and its obvious he will say something positive because he has two otherwise, this whole thing will be a waste of time. You heard President Putin say they were very constructive and had a big understanding of Each Others positions and while they might not agree with those positions they will try to move closer together to finding some common ground. The president said he thought they were plenty of areas where he could reach common ground and areas where he couldnt where he was prepared to respond very robustly. So we are definitely going to hear something positive come from the president. What will be interesting to hear those sandra are the areas where they continue to disagree particularly on cyber, Human Rights, american prisoners being held over there. Whats going on with ukraine and how hard President Biden says he pushed putin to try to countermand what putin said about not feeling any pressure from the american delegation at all. Just a heads up, our own Peter Doocy is among the Press Corps there and he is seated and ready to throw a question to biden. If you could give some background on the situation you are so familiar with, how this is going to go and how biden intends to call on those reporters. As we just saw President Putin take a range of questions from a range of reporters all over the world. I got 20 Bucks it says for the very first time President Biden calls on Peter Doocy and so we will see where he starts and what he has to say because here comes the president right now. President biden i know it was easy getting into the premeeting, no problem getting through those doors, was it . Anyway, hello, everyone. Well, i just finished the last meeting of this weeks long trip, the u. S. Russian summit. I know there is a lot of hype around this meeting but its pretty straightforward to me, the meeting. One, there is no substitute as those of you who have covered me for a while know for Facetoface Dialogue between leaders. None. President putin and i had a share unique responsibility to minister the relationships between two powerful and proud countries. The relationship that has to be stable and predictable. And it should be we should be able to cooperate where its our mutual interest. And it where we have differences, i want President Putin to understand why i say what i say and why i do what i do. And how he will respond to specific kinds of actions that harm american interests. Now i told President Putin, my agenda is not against Russia Or Anyone else, its for the american people. Fighting covid19, rebuilding our economy, reestablishing relationships Around The World with our allies and friends and protecting the american people, thats my responsibility as president. I also told them that no president of the United States could keep pace with the american people if they did not speak out to defend our democratic values to stand up for the universal and fundamental freedoms that all Men And Women have in our view. Such is part of the dna of our country. So Human Rights is going to always be on the table. Its not about just going after russia when they violate Human Rights, its about who we are. How could i be the president of the United States of america and not speak out against the violation of Human Rights . I told them that unlike other countries including russia we are uniquely a product and an idea. You heard me say this before again and again and im going to keep saying it. Whats that idea . Dont derive our rights from the government. We possess them because we are born, period. And we yield them to a government. So the form i pointed out to them, thats why we are going to raise our concerns about cases like alexia. I will continue to raise issues of fundamental Human Rights because thats what we are and who we are. The idea is we hold these Truths Selfevident for all Men And Women. We havent lived up to them completely but weve always widened the arc of commitment and include it in more more people. I raised the case of two wrongfully imprisoned american citizens, Paul Whalen and trevor rita. I also raise the ability of radio free Europe And Radio liberty to operate and the importance of Prepress And Freedom of speech. I made it clear that we will not tolerate attempts to violate our democratic sovereignty or stabilize our democratic elections and we would respond. Bottom line, i told President Putin we need to have some basic rules of the road is that we can all abide by. I also said there are areas where there is a mutual interest to cooperate. For our people, russian and american people but also the benefit of and the security of the world. One of those areas is a strategic ability. You ask me many times what was i going to discuss with putin . Now i can tell you what i was intending to do all along and that is to discuss and raise the issue of strategic ability and try to set up a mechanism where we would deal with it. We discussed in detail the next steps that our country should take on Arms Control measures and the steps we need to take to reduce the risk of unintended conflict. Im pleased that you agreed today to launch a bilateral strategic stability dialogue. Diplomatic speak for saying, get our Military Experts and our diplomats together to work on a mechanism that can lead to the control of new and dangerous sophisticated weapons that are coming on the scene now that reduce the times of response, that raise the prospects of accidental war. We went into some detail of what those Weapon Systems were. Another area we spent a great deal of time on was cyber and cybersecurity. I talked about the proposition that certain critical infrastructure should be offlimits to attack. It. I gave them a list and if im not mistaken, i dont have it in front of me, 16 specific entities. 16 defined as critical infrastructure under u. S. Policy. From the Energy Sector to our water systems. Of course, the principle is one thing. It has to be backed up by practice. Responsible countries need to take action against criminals who conduct ransomware activities on their territory. So we agreed to task experts in both of our countries to work on specific understanding about whats offlimits and follow up specific cases that originate in other countries, either of our countries. There is a long list of other things that we spent time on. From the urgent need to preserve and reopen the humanitarian in syria, because people are starving to death. How to build it and how it is in the interest of both russia and the United States to ensure that iran does not acquire nuclear weapons. We agreed to work together, because as much as Russias Interest as ours. And how we ensure the arctic remains. We talked about the need for us to be able to have some kind of Modus Operandi that we dealt with, making sure the arctic was in fact a free zone. To how we could each contribute to the shared effort preventing the resurgence of terrorism in afghanistan, its very much in the interest of russia not to have a resurgence of terrorism in afghanistan. There are also areas that are challenging and i communicated the United States unwavering commitment to the sovereignty and territorial integrity of ukraine. We pursued diplomacy related to the agreement and we shared our concern about belarus, he didnt disagree with what happened. He just said there was perspective of what to do about it. I know you have a lot of questions, but let me close with this. There can be no Mistake Or Reppert misrepresentations about what i want to communicate. Identify areas of practical work that our two countries can do to benefit the world. Communicative directly that the United States will respond to actions that impair our interest and those of our allies. In three to clearly lay out our countries priorities and our values, so he heard it straight from me. I must tell you the tone of the entire meetings, i guess it was a total of four hours, was a good and positive strident action taken. When he disagreed he stated it, but it was not done in a hyperbolic atmosphere. That is too much of what has been going on. Over the last week i believe, i hope the United States has shown the world that we are back standing with our allies, we rallied our fellow democracy to make concerted commitments to take on the biggest challenges that our world faces and always established a clear basis on how we intend to do with russia and the u. S. Russia relationship. Im not suggesting that any of this is done, but before i can take your questions i want to say one last thing. Folks, this is about how we move from here. This is again, i listen to a significant portion of what President Putins Press Conference was. As he pointed out, this is about practical straightforward no nonsense decisions. We have to make them or not make. We will find out within the next six months to a year whether or not we actually have a strategic dialogue that matters. We will find out whether we work to deal with everything from release of people in russian persons or not. We will find out whether we have a Cybersecurity Arrangement that begins to bring some order. Because look. The country but most are likely to be damaged with the failure to do that, or the major countries. For example when i talked about the pipeline that cyber hit for 5 million, that Ransomware Hit in the United States i looked at him and said how would you feel if ransomware took on the pipelines from the Oil Fields . He said it wouldnt matter. This is not about just our selfinterest. This is about mutual selfinterest. I will take your questions and as usual they gave me a list of people i want to call on. So jonathan, associated press. Thank you, sir. U. S. Intelligence in so that russia has tried to interfere in the last two president ial elections and that some of the Ransomware Attacks that you just mentioned. Putin and his News Conference just now accepted no responsibility for any misbehavior. Your predecessor opted not to demand that putin stopped his distractions so what is something thats concrete that you achieved today to prevent that from happening again, and what are the consequences that you threatened . President biden whether i stopped it from happening again, he knows i will take action, like we did last time out. What happened was we in fact made it clear that we were not going to continue to allow this to go on and and we close down some of the facilities by the United States Et Cetera. And he knows their consequences. And i dont know, i suspect you may all think it doesnt matter how with the United States be viewed by the rest of the world for interfering with the rest of the countries, and everybody knew it . What would everybody be like if he engages in activities that he was engaged in . It diminishes the standing of a country that is desperately trying to make sure it maintains the standing, as a measure of world power. And its not just what i do, its what the actions that other countries take, in this case russia, that are contrary to international its a price they pay. They are not able to dictate what happens in the world. They are other nations of significant consequence, i. E. The United States of america being one of them. Just a quick word about the same rights, what would you say if oppositions later, Alexion Alexionavani dies . Speak to the consequences would be devastating for russia. What do you think happens when you say its not about hurting him, and then he dies in prison. At matters a great deal when a country in fact and they continue to have problems with the president of syria. Because its a violation of the international norm. Its about trust in their ability to influence other nations and in a positive way. Would you like to trade our economy for Russias Economy . And by the way we talked about trade. I dont have any problem with business with russia. Its in our interest to see the russian people do well economically. I dont have a problem with them. But if they do not act according to national norms then guess what . That wont happen with us and it wont happen with the nations. We kind of talked about not coming to today . About the need to reach out to other countries to invest in russia. As long as they are convinced that the violations for example, and let him go. Change the dynamics. The american businessman is not ready to show up and doesnt want to hang around in moscow. The foreign policies of the logical extension of personal relationships. And it doesnt abide by international norms, to be somehow managed so that you can participate in the benefits of flow from them. Thats not a satisfying answer. Biden says he didnt invade russia. Either way, that was a joke, thats not true. David sanger. In the runup to this we talked about the Country Spilling down into a Cold War and im wondering if there was anything that you emerge from in the discussion that made you think that he President Biden im going to take my coat off, The Sun is hot. Is there anything that makes you think mr. Putin has moved away from his frontal role as a disruptor, particularly a disruptor of nato and the United States. If i could just follow up on your description of how you gave him a list of critical infrastructure in the United States, did you lay out very clearly what it was that the penalty would be for interfering in that critical infrastructure . Did you leave that vague or did he respond in the way to it . President biden ill answer your second question first. I pointed out to him, we have significant cyber capability. And he knows that. He doesnt know exactly what it is but its significant. And if, in fact, they violate his basic norms we will respond. He knows. In a cyber way. Number two, i think the last thing he wants now is a Cold War. Not quoting him, because i dont think thats appropriate. You have a Multithousand Mile Border with china. China is moving ahead hellbent on election as they say seeking to be the most powerful economy in the world, the largest and most powerful military in the world. You are in a situation where your economy is struggling and you need to move it in a more aggressive way in terms of growing it. And i dont think its a cold where mike wore of the United States. This is not a Kumbaya Moment as we used to say i can the 60s, but its clearly not in anybodys interest. Its for us to be in a situation where we are in a new Cold War. And he understands that, hes laying down his arms and saying, come on. He still i believe is concerned about being encircled. And they are looking to me taken down Et Cetera. He still has those concerns but i dont think they are the driving forces the kind of relationship they are looking for in the United States. Jennifer jacobs. Thank you mr. President. Is there a particular reason why the summit only lasted about three hours . Also, did President Putin said there were no threats or Scare Tactics, do you agree that there were no threats or Scare Tactics and also did you touch on afghanistan and the safe withdrawal of troops . Yes, yes and yes. Let me go back to the first part. The reason it didnt go longer is because when the last time the two Heads Of State spent two hours and direct conversation across the table going into excruciating detail . You may know of a time but i dont, i can think of one. So we didnt need, my Secretary Of State was with me the whole time and our ambassador Et Cetera brought everybody in. We had covered so much and so there was a summary done by him and by me of what we covered. Lever off and blank and talked about what we covered and we raised things that required more Amplification Or Nature we didnt have any misunderstanding. So it was kind of after two hours there, we looked at Each Other like, okay. What next . What is going to happen next . We need to be able to look back and look ahead and 36 months. And, thats the president and who they are doing with the work. Im not saying not, im saying i think theres a genuine prospect to significantly improve relations, and and as a matter of fact, i heard he quoted my mom, and this may shock you, and we talked about basic, basic fundamental things. You know how i am, i explain things based on a personal basis. What happens if, for example. There are no for instance simple assertions made and no, well if you do this, just letting him know where i stood. What i thought we could accomplish together and what in fact if there were violations of american sovereignty, what we could do. He asked us about it in the sand. He said that he hopes that we are able to maintain some Peace And Security and he felt like i said that has a lot to do with you. He indicated he was prepared to help on afghanistan and we can quote help on iran and we told him what we wanted to do do relative to some economic and physical security to the people of Syria And Libya so we had those discussions. Think so much mr. President. He said you didnt issue any threats. When the ultimatums made when it comes to ransomware and how will you measure its effects especially when it comes to these working groups on russian Meddling And Cybersecurity . Is going to be really easy. These are for example on cybersecurity, they will work out and they take action against Ransomware Criminals on russian territory, they didnt do it. I dont think they planted in this case. And are they going to act . We will find out. What can we commit to act in terms of anything affecting and violating international norms that negatively affect russia . What are we going to agree to do . I think we will have real opportunities to move and i think one of the things that i noticed when we have the larger meat is for people who are very, very wellinformed started thinking, you know, this could be a real problem. What happens if that outfit were sitting in Florida Or Maine and took action as a i said on their single lifeline to their economy . That would be devastating. And you can see them kind of go, we do that but like, whoa. Its in Everyones Interest to be active. We will see what happens with these groups we put together. Mr. President , when President Putin was questioned today about Human Rights, He Said the reason why hes cracking down on Opposition Leaders is because he doesnt want something like January 6th to happen in russia and He Said he also doesnt want to see groups formed like black lives matter. What is your response to that . Speak to my response was kind of what i communicated it, i think thats a ridiculous comparison. Its one thing for it literally criminals to break through, cordon, go into the capital, kill a Police Officer and beheld unaccountable than it is for people objectively marching on the capital and saying you are not allowing me to speak freely or do a, b, or c. Two very different criteria. Steve holloman from reuters. President putin said he was satisfied with the answer, about your comment about him being a killer. Could you give us your side on this . What did you tell him . He satisfied it, why would i bring it up again . I know when you talk to him, do you believe you can trust him . Look. This is not about trust. Its about Selfinterest And Verification of self interest. Thats what its about. So i virtually almost anyone that i would work out an agreement with an effect of the americans peoples interest. I dont say well i trust you, no problem. Lets see what happens. With that old expression goes the proof of the pudding is in the meeting that we will know shortly. Igor, radio free Europe And Radio free liberty. Do you want to go in the shade . Yes. So i think you know, they continue inside russia. For example, radio free europe, voice of america, that channel where i work. The foreign agent and several other independent media. This was 50 years after President Pearson invited us in. My question is, after your talk with President Putin, how interested do you think he is improving. President biden i wouldnt put it that way. I would in fact put it in terms of, how much interest does he have in burnishing Russias Reputation that is not contrary to democratic principles and free speech. Thats adjustment i cannot make. I dont know. I dont think he is interested in changing the nature of a closed society or close to governments with actions relative to what he thinks is the right of government to do what it does. Its a very different approach. There are a couple of really good i told him i read of most everything hes written and the Species Speech as hes made and i read a couple of very good biographies which many of you have as well. And i think i pointed out to him that russia had an opportunity, not brief and shining moment, after gorbachev and things begin to change drastically to actually generate a democratic government. What happened was it failed and he was a great, great race among russian intellectuals to determine what form of government would they choose . And how they choose it . And based on what i believe mr. Pruden decided it was, russia has always been a major international power when it has been totally united as a russian state. Not based on ideology, whether it was going back to czar and commissary, straight through to the russian revolution, to where they are today. I think that its clear to me, and ive said it, not the way for russell to be able to sustain itself as a great a Great Power is to infect unite the russian people on the strength of the government, the government controls. Not necessarily ideologically but the government. I think thats a choice that was made, and im not going to secondguess whether it could have been fundamentally accurate. This conversation today, did you in terms of the redline that you lay down, its military Response And Option for a Ransomware Attack . And President Putin had called you in his Press Conference and experienced person. At you famously told him he didnt have a soul. Do you now have a deeper understanding of him after this meeting . Thank you very much. Did you talk about Military Response . And also what you said at nato, but the biggest problem right now are russian and china. You spoke many times about spending more time with President Xi than any other World Leader. So if they are going to be come a time where you might call him old friend it to old friend and ask him to open up china to the World Health Organization investigator, so we are trying to get to the bottom of covid19. President biden we know Each Other well but we are not old friends. Its just pure business. My question would be you said you were going to press china and you signed on to the G7 Communique that said that g7 is calling on china to open up and let the investigators in but china basically said they dont want to be. So mike interfered with any more. To now . President biden the impact on the Worlds Attitude towards china as it develops. China is trying very hard to protect itself as a responsible and a very, very forthcoming nation. They are trying very hard to talk about how they are taking and helping the world in terms of covid19 and vaccines and trying very hard. Certain things you dont have to explain to the people of the world, they say the results is china actually tries to get to the bottom of this. One thing, and what i will make an effort to do, and that will be the mechanism available. And that will respond to it early. Why are you confident he will change his behavior . President biden i said, lets get it straight. I said what will change the behavior is diminishing in the world. And so how did that President Putin President Putin. President biden if you dont understand that john and President Biden is wrapping up the Press Conference with a little bit of slam with the correspondent, and of He Said im not confident but i will tell you that this is what will happen if they dont. And maybe that will bring them around. He took questions from seven people but Peter Doocy Minister Wiggle his way and there sandra as an eighth. He didnt call on Peter Doocy so i guess i still owe you 20 Bucks. Sandra he did get in there for sure. Very interesting. The present even taken his jacket off again at one point, it was sunny and hot, over 80 degrees. 154 your local time eastern time and he went for about 22 minutes to questions. He started speaking however at 120 eastern time and he appeared to read off a teleprompter. In fact we were able to confirm there was a teleprompter the first 11 minutes and he spoke directly about the meeting. He spoke about credit President Putin violating different norms and if so he will respond with the president s words. In order to see the result of the summit, he will know in about 36 months with what appeared to be short on. Ric grenell will be tweeting in a moment about that. But that exchange at The End was interesting because it was a reporter suppressing him on if he was tough on putin in the meeting. What did he say when pruden deflected about the Cyber Hacking . And if you talk to him tough on Human Rights issues he refused to see alexi and of name referring to him i believe as this guy multiple times. John it and put in saying that he broke the law and thats the reason he is where he is. Lets bring in our White House correspondent Peter Doocy. He saw him asking question President Biden just a moment ago, He Said he would call on you and he didnt but a menace to get yourself in there. Maybe not surprisingly because this is a summit about the three plus our meeting that they had, but the lack of movement from china. Its been very diplomatic so far. And now, the Intelligence Community is looking at whatever they can gather about covid19s origin. And they are not following diplomatic requests about this. So he basically said they were are going to keep trying to do it like that. Theres no reason to think that hes going to further and i have the quote. Let me find it, my phones a little hot. He spoke many times on the Campaign Trail while he was Vice President , the two of them spent a ton of time together. He spoke especially in iowa where Ethanol And Trade with china was a huge issue about how he and she were, for lack of a better word, tight. Out of his answer to me was that they are not old friends. He knows him well but they are not old friends which i thought was interesting. I informed the second half of this review because it remember President Biden gave the u. S. Intel community 90 days which goes until The End of august to figure out or come to a conclusion about whether covid19 originated in a lab or was naturally occurring. Right now they are split and it doesnt seem like the president is going to call or lean back on his old relationships yet. Back to you. Sandra he might have already had his sunglasses on and his jacket over his arm, he was ready to go but you still got a question in there. We appreciate you jumping in front of the camera. Thank you peter. John could go on peter. We should point out also that the headquarters of the w. H. O. Is right here in geneva so it really strikes home here. Lets bring in kt mcfarland, former deputy of the national Security Advisor under the and Trump Administration. Im sure you saw both vladimir putin and President Biden, what did you make of what transpired this afternoon . All i can say is thank god the two of them to stand next to Each Other. Joe biden is a kindly old man and he looks tired. Compare that to putin who is a killer but does have the wind at his back. That would have been a terrible picture of the world. The other thing i noticed thats important is, didnt talk at all about china. This is a big issue. The chinese are in taiwan and russian ships are in hawaii. That wasnt mentioned at all. Sandra he only took questions for about 22 minutes but one of the biggest issues aside from china heading into this conversation was about the Cyber Hacking that is greatly affected the american people. He just told us in this News Conference, President Biden, that the russians he gave the russians a list of things that are Off Limits including critical infrastructure. That seems odd, and why would that say it that gave him a particular list of sectors that were offlimits . And what will he do if to become a unlimited . He gave a list of critical infrastructure. What are the consequences going to be if they decide to approach the redline . I dont think President Biden had a good answer. Then the whole Country Wins and i didnt see that today. John if President Biden gave President Putin a list, he didnt seem to pay a whole lot of attention to it because He Said russia, Cyber Hacking . And then canada in this country and this country, he went way down the list before he ever suggested that anybody in russia was going to hack. And if you give Somebody A List of 16 sectors, and you say this is offlimits, are you not just giving cyber hikers a Road Map to say these are the things that we think are most sensitive . And thats where you can make the most impact if you went after them. To me, what i heard from that was you can expect Cyber Attacks to continue. You can expect Ransomware Attacks to continue and you can expect them to be coming from russia. Sandra kt mcfarland, we appreciate you joining us with your reaction, it was a Payout Multihour meeting both have taken questions albeit separately. Lets bring back form Eric Trump national security ambassador Robert Obrien. Your reaction to what you just heard from the u. S. President . I thought the Teleprompter Root marks were pretty good but, it pulls out what i heard before, i think that was good Stuff Work from Jake Sullivan to make sure that those were separate Press Conferences. At the other thing that we learned which was very interesting, there were no deals, nothing happened, everything that they agree to to have further talks, thats normally something in diplomatic principles. You dont rule out to have talks about talks. What i would have insisted on it as if they to have the Photo Op and they wanted to have talks about talks, the minimum we would have gotten Trevor Reed and paul willing to back and President Putin would have brought them with to geneva and turned over those hostages to the United States. I know the family is disappointed but i want to tell the families that america hasnt forgotten about them or the other hostages that are out there whether Russia Or Syria or iran or otherwise. We are pulling for you and praying for you and everyone will be working hard to bring those hostages home. John and we know the great work that you did bringing hostages back from north korea. The helicopter went by because one of the motorcades was traveling below our hotel. In fact its President Biden apparently. Theres a shot of Air Force one as hes headed out to the Geneva Airport to head back to the United States. Ambassador, let me ask you about this because this to me was sort of the big take away in the, as you described it, talks about talks. President biden said he thinks there is a genuine prospect for better relations between the two countries without giving up a single thing. There were no threats, just simple assertions and letting who didnt know where i stood and what we could accomplish. And if there were violations of american sovereignty, what would we do . What did you make of what He Said. We learned something very important about President Biden again today. It says basically an extension of personal relationships between the two principles and i believe the national interest should govern the geopolitics and govern how we behave, its important to have cordial relationships and that it ameliorates some of the sharp edges. But that doesnt seem to be what President Biden was focused on, personalities and international norms, and they have to stop their maligned activities. And he did raise something that was important and that did pull the russians back from the chinese. One of our constant themes for the russians was he had a long border with china, you dont have shared interests with china and so i think he emphasized that in his Press Conference and i was happy to see those comments. Also He Said hes not opposed to trading with russia so those are the carrots, but they are also have to be some consequences for for maligned behavior and it doesnt sound like those things were discussed at all. Sandra exactly what we just saw played out after so many hours of meetings between these two World Leaders, biden took questions for 22 minutes, and going back to you your point about no strident action taken, those were President Bidens own words in the News Conference although he did describe the talks with putin as positive. Based on that in the limited time they gave reporters on the ground, do you see the meeting and the summit as something that changes anything . You see it as worth it . If he did change anything, biden says it will take 36 months to really see the impact of it. When would you be able to judge that . Again, he talked about several things they were going to put their diplomats together to work on and by President Bidens own nature hes had in three to six months this is the successor. This is not a summit that they are going to be able to spend on Air Force one, this is some great success with no breakthroughs and it no deals, no americans returned. And they finished up and created Energy Independence of Western Europe on russia, there was nothing to return to the new start extension. We will have to hope for those things in the future. My problem is my experience with the russians, and if you give them something for free they pocket it and when they come back to the negotiating table, they say what do you have for me now. So i think putin has pocketed a lot and we will have further negotiations, i assume they will be asking for more in future. So not a successful summit but i think the president put the best spin on it that he could in his Press Conference and hopefully he will have safe travels home. And the diplomats John Sullivan and our ambassador to russia is a fine diplomatic. Im glad to see you still there, and hopefully the diplomats will be able to make something out of these further talks. John President Putin has a lot of pockets he could put things in. The White House had sort of tried to downplay this idea of there being any what we would call deliverables during the summit, that this really was just an initial conversation. Let me put to you the Question Ambassador that we put two Casey Macfarland and this is about the list of 16 areas of the economy that were Off Limits to cyber. The president telling President Putin, i pointed out that we had significant cyber capability and if they violate basic norms we respond in a cyber way. Sandra asked a very pressing question and that is if you give a list of 16 that are offlimits, what about Everything Else . Shouldnt everything be Off Limits and how you respond if you dont like they every 16 . Every co in the country is calling their lobbyists trying to find out if their industry was on the list. I hope Law Firms were on the list and those play a critical role. But look. Every industry in the country now is scrambling to find out if they are on the list or they are going to claim that they are part of one of the industries on the list. Thats a problem with giving a list like that because its kind of open season on the folks that arent on the list. So that was a risky maneuver and obviously there are things you have the laura of alarmed conflict, and you understand a very limited list of the fact that there were 16 industries on the list, im sure a lot of folks want to find out what is on that list and find out if they are in danger of having to pay ransomware or not. Sandra ambassador, we really appreciate you standing by with us. Great to be with you john. B1 same if you investor, hope to see you again soon. Up next is Ric Grenell, and as we wait for President Biden to mount the stairs there on Air Force one, rick, to you, the real crux and the centerpiece of everything that happened here in geneva happened long before they got anywhere near switzerland. And that is for when Joe Biden for all intents and purposes it gave the green light for the pipeline between russia to be completed. I think President Putin is extremely pleased that he got this massive pipeline that for the next several decades will give him power, leverage and a lot of cash. So you will have to understand when he asked to sit through a Press Conference and hes willing to take 55 minutes worth of questions when Joe Biden only takes 22 minutes of questions, he can take some criticism from the g7. He doesnt care because all of that is just criticism in The Press. He got i have pipeline and i think its pretty atrocious that we sat through a 22 minute Press Conference and not a single question about north from two the reporters there. And the russian paper that is controlled by the russian government. They ignore nor extreme tube. To ignore the fact that before you meet with putin to ask him about, and President Putin is going to sit through all of that little bit of uncomfortableness from words, and that Foreign Policy is simply a selfish act of personal relationships. That was a little piece inside Joe Biden and probably the reason why done nor its two was given to Chancellor Merkel because he doesnt want to have anything to say bad about him. Thats a very scary thing and you have to have a leader thats willing to make decisions for whats best for america. And that may not always be popular in europe. Sandra The Press looks forward to getting your reaction to something, going back to vladimir putins Press Conference when he deflected on questions about Human Rights abuses. Then he turned and brought up Gun Violence in the United States. Drone strikes in guantanamo bay, and everything that happens in our country one way or the other is responsibility of the leaders themselves. What was your reaction when you heard that from putin . Let me just complement President Biden on one thing. Bringing up Human Rights is a very good thing. And the russians get very comfortable and so did the chinese. When you talk about Human Rights, weve always had, we the United States have always had the moral authority to talk about that. But over the last few years weve seen democrats, and we decided that america is racist. Is that for the last four years we have systemic racism. Now if you think about that Stomach Racism means that the system supports racism, that somehow we push racism. That is fundamentally different because we may have some problems now and then and we can focus on those problems but the system does not support racism in america. That is outrageous and no one should be surprised when the chinese bring it up and the russians bring it up, and we got a problem with politics in the United States. John ambassador, the way this all went down, 20 questions during a 55 minute session him initially and President Biden Coming Out, Putin Sat there and he denied and he deflected, he tried to put certain things back on the United States. Was President Biden effective in encountering what President Putin had said it for the almost hour before the president of the United States came out . First of all theres no better way to do that then to have them standing sidebyside. To be able to respond. First of all when you stand sidebyside with leaders you cannot wiggle your way out of what was intended in the previous meeting. So i dont know why they couldnt Show Unity and show transparency, so the truth by both standing there and taking the same question. Usually we have a reporter asked each individual a question and that is much more transparent. The reporter should have insisted on that and there should have been lot of criticism but instead we had a question after question after question which were very easy questions for biden and im glad that he took the opportunity to talk about a breadth of issues and Human Rights in afghanistan, and we did show that we had a long and diverse conversation. Still at The End of the Day I Cant get over the fact that hes going to begin a great mood and hes going to sit through any criticism because he got pipeline for the next decade at that is full of leverage and cash. Sandra we are about to see the president , President Biden arriving there and he will be getting on board Air Force one and just a moment. But if i could ambassador, as i just heard from President Biden it was putin that we listen to her just couple hours ago. We should see him in a moment but heres a moment from putin earlier when he was asked if he was satisfied with Bidens Explanation over his killer comments, really quick. Then we will see the president. He called me right afterwards and he explained himself and i was fully all right with what He Said. Sandra your reaction to that ambassador . We should try to get along with russia, we should try to get along with every other country. Thats a private conversation and i said it look, im not going to go into it, and he chose not to inflame that. I think that was a good thing is i also think that would have been a really good thing for the media to push on that and to play fair and not let President Biden get away with it. I think that the media has got to play fair but in a situation like this, the leader of the free world are trying to get along with russia while also privately pushing him where we need to push him and his government, i think that is exactly the right tone. John there are five american president s that have outlasted vladimir putin and one President Bush 43 famously stood on the same stage at with putin just outside of slovenia and said i looked into his eyes and i saw his soul. A few years later John Mccain said i looked into his eyes and thought saw three letters, kgb. You know this guy. Who is he and can he be dealt with . Or does he simply have his best interest at heart . I think you have to go into negotiating the russians with a very clear set of eyes and knowing what they value and what they maximize. I spent eight years at the u. N. Working with of the foreign Minister And Russia and negotiating with the russians and they dont respond to moral arguments. You cant really say the international community demands or wants you to do something. They dont care. Thats not what they maximize. What they care about is money, trader, oil. Theyve got to be able to negotiate from a position of strength. You how to leverage your relationship, and thats why i love when President Trump would put all of the government tools on the table. He wasnt going to negotiate from moral superiority, can superiority but he was going to negotiate with terrorists and finances, treasury, State Department, commerce and agriculture. We have a lot to leverage and we should be using all of the levers of the u. S. Government in order to get what we want to. I do think at The End of the day that the russians are going to always do with the russians do which is lie and we are going to have to have a relationship where we do what Ronald Reagan said. You can trust their words but you have to verify and then come back to them and make sure that you hold them to accounts because they are going to lie whenever they have a chance. John biden actually turned that one around and said we will verify first and then think about trusting. Ambassador Ric Grenell, always good to talk to you. Sandra thinks ambassador. Senator Tom Cotton is joining us now and we will bring you in as we bring you into geneva. President biden has just arrived after his comments and he spoke for about 10 minutes before that. He told vladimir putin that his agenda is not against russia but for the United States. Was this a successful summit for the United States Senator Cotton . Vladimir putin has overseen Cyber Attacks on Oil And Gas pipelines, meat plants, governments and Operating Systems and Joe Biden was pressed today about what we would do about it and had some mumbojumbo about latimer pollutants moral standard in the world being hurt. I assure you that vladimir putin does not care about how hes viewed by by Western Democratic leaders, cares about power and he cares about strength. Joe biden could have said if the attacks continue, maybe russias Oil And Gas plants will go down. Maybe their Electrical Grid will go down. Thats just a piece of what Joe Biden has done. The very first thing we did under this administration was extended very bad onesided nuclear arms deal. The next thing Joe Biden did was allow russia to build its Oil And Gas pipeline to germany which hurts american Oil And Gas jobs and also hooks Western Europe more deeper on russian gas. Coming to the summit, vladimir putin had senator, President Biden is speaking right now and we will dip in real quick. I really do think, not me, but i think we, countries, as put a different face on where weve been and where we are going. And i feel good about it. I feel that one of the things that i think understandably there was a good deal of skepticism about what that G7 Signon and give america back its leadership role. And i think it did. It wasnt me but, im glad america is back. Im glad america is back and acted that way. Then when we went to nato, we had some really good meetings there and real response, as well as the e. U. I didnt get one single person, not one of the World Leaders. And thats a much better position to represent the west after the previous three meetings with putin, knowing that the rest of the west was behind them. So i think i owed them all a debt of gratitude. Can we ask about two domestic issues . And i dont know what the details are. I know my chief of staff, and i know that Schumer And Nancy have moved forward on Reconciliation Provision as well, so im hoping we can put together the two bookends here. And the second issue yesterday, Mitch Mcconnell saying, he did not see a way he could get the supreme Court Justice confirmed, your response to that . It would be next year. President biden i know. The answer is, mitch has been nothing but no for a long time. And im sure he means exactly what that says. But we will see. Did you talk to President Putin about the iran nuclear deal. President biden was about how we would join the work. A question that you answered at the very end of there, and you seem overly optimistic given that we all listen to President Putin essentially say the same old things that He Said forever. Rejecting all responsibilities and i guess that question that he was trying to get it and maybe you can take another stab at it is, what evidence do you have let suggest that any movement has been made . And i dont to be a reporter, you never asked positive questions. And we will find out. We have an agreement to work on that major agreement, and if we could do one in the Cold War then why couldnt we do one now . We will see. And i apologize for having been short. If you were in my position and is that i dont think its going to happen, that Guarantees Nothing happens. President biden is a value to being realistic and put on an optimistic face. He also said the same thing was going to happen when we had the first meeting of the seven. They are going to abide by then. And im thinking, theyre not going to be happy. They are not going to want that, did you hear a single Solitary Syllable . What would happen if i said, and its the same with the e. U. The french president said he would never go for more money for nato. Look. Im going to drive you all crazy. I know you want me to always put a negative thrust on things particularly in public and negotiating in public. I dont have to trust somebody. We didnt have to trust somebody to get started. Look. I got to get on the plane but and i dont see any benefit. Ever, to begin a negotiation, and i mean you are the brightest people in the country. You are the most important people in detail. It makes sense, negotiating with you and it makes no sense with me telling you what im about to do. Thank you guys. I think you guys. President Biden Russia is in a very, very difficult spot. They want desperately to remain a major power. Biden already gave putin what he wants, standing at the World Stage of the United States. They definitely want to be relevant and they dont want to be known as, as some critics have said it, the upper boulder with nuclear weapons. No matter where they are from, how they perceive their standing in the world. It matters to them, it matters to them in terms of their supportive home as well. So i think that there is im trying to think how to shortness so you can get my point. I am of the view that in the last 35 years, the world has reached a fundamental inspection point. About what its going to look like. Its not hyperbole, its not like im trying to pump it up. Its a genuine reality. So each of the countries Around The World, particularly those who had a real power at one time or still do are wondering, how do i maintain our leadership in the world. A and thats a powerful democratic country in the world and a lot is going on. I dont know about you but i never anticipated notwithstanding how No Matter how persuasive and breaking down the doors of the United States capitol, i didnt think that would happen. I didnt think i would see that in my lifetime. But it reinforces what ive always known. And what i got told by my science professors and the members of science that i admired. Every generation has to reestablish the democracy. And such an outward assault. I didnt anticipate that four years ago. And we still, we are going to stick to the notion that we are open and accountable. Thank you all. Sandra youve been listening to President Biden as he departs geneva. Senator Tom Cotton is still with us. We took this in together, sort of unexpected as he just wrapped a News Conference as he took a shorter amount of questions almost than he did just that. Senator cotton, to the last point the president made a Come Of The World has reached a fundamental Inflection Point hes had in recent years, on what its going to look like ten years from now. Telling reporters that they have two negative open outlook, when they were asked about nuclear Arms Control and the discussion with vladimir putin on that. At one point he questioned reporters, why would i openly negotiate with you . Your reaction on what you just heard from the president. Its more mumbojumbo, Joe Biden is trying to describe what is in vladimir putins best interest. Its humiliating Joe Biden and the United States and pushing us around and perceive the world around. If Joe Biden had done the summit from a position of strength, i nuclear Arms Agreement with russia, if he had shut down the russian pipeline we would have been in a much better position Coming Out of the summit as well. And as far as the world being at an Inflection Point, one of the reasons why the world may be an Inflection Point is the failure of u. S. Leadership. Joe biden can talk all he wants about leading vibrant democracies but hes going to slash our Defense Budget at a time where Russia And China are rapidly expanding their militaries, is just so much hot air. Its cheap talk not backed up by any action. John senator mcconnell, let me ask you about what the president said there in regards to vladimir putin remaining a major player, and President Biden just greenlighted a pipeline that is going to deliver energy directly from russia into the heart of europe in germany, and No Matter what the rest of the world might think about vladimir putin, chancellor Angela Merkel likes his energy and is going to buy as much of it as they can fire down the pipeline. What President Biden just sat there about putins popularity, when you are holding the strings when it comes to energy, does it really matter . No, john. Joe biden gave vladimir putin yet another no strings attached gift and in terms of let me put in standing, again look at Joe Bidens actions, not his words. You just how the One On one bilateral summit with vladimir putin and switzerland. The first time hes been overseas, the first foreign leader he met on neutral turf, not coincidental to a G7 Meeting or a Nato Meeting or e. U. Meeting is vladimir putin. This is the point where and hes also elevating for beyond what he needs to be. Its an economy as large as it has been for ours. Russias economy is smaller than canadas, so why is Joe Biden going to meet with Automate Code and on neutral ground to elevate his in stature once again . It was uncalled for and i think the summit has been bad for america. To be clear with our viewers it was awaiting of the sanctions that were on the ceo of the boulder that allowed the continuation of the building of that pipeline that have been just a short time ago. Going back to President Bidens initial remarks there, as he was about to board Air Force one, He Said, after all of this and the many meetings he had with World Leaders over the past several days, would put a different face on what we have been, where we have been and where we are going He Said. He said e. U. Leaders are glad that america is back and He Said he received many thanks from World Leaders while on the ground there and thanks to him for meeting with vladimir putin, senator. Syndrome, i think it was summed up best by the french president Emmanuel Macron a couple days ago when He Said of Joe Biden its nice to have a president who is part of the club again. Thats the real problem, Joe Biden seems to care about being part of the club with a bunch of foreign leaders and international bureaucrats rather than standing up for americas jobs and prosperity in our freedoms. Just take a look at pipeline thats going from russia to germany, selling them gas, which we could be selling for america and for the obsessive focus of all these meetings on climate change. At the End Result of all that is going to be Tens Of Thousands of american jobs lost in the Oil And Gas industry. Thats not what i would call american leadership. John let me ask you Senator Cotton because the president was asking about a particular domestic issue and that is infrastructure and whether or not the problem Solvers Caucus might have something that he could get past. President biden said he didnt know much about it but he did say the chuck Schumer And Nancy pelosi are moving down the road towards doing this by reconciliation which of course could be done just through a simple majority as opposed to having to get more votes in the senate. What do you think about the idea of an Infrastructure Bill to the democrats liking being ran through the senate via reconciliation . I hope that we would have a good Common Sense Common Sense bipartisan Infrastructure Bill, something that will be fully financed and will pay for real infrastructure. Things like bridges and railroads and waterways, not giving Tax Credits rich people to buy electric vehicles. One reason why Chuck Schumer and Joe Biden are watching his bipartisan negotiations, they dont have the votes for a partisan bill and i im not sure they will ever get it. If they want to spend to the tune of 4 Trillion to once again give away things like Tech Specs to rich people or electric vehicles, for a whole host of Welfare Programs that are totally disconnected from working or seeking work or getting training for work, thats massively unpopular with the american people. Sandra Senator Cotton, we perceive you joining us this afternoon. John we will see well that goes. Form a State Department Spokesperson Morgan Ortagus joins us now. Youve been to a lot of these things Around The World, typically the hallmark of these big summits are that the two leaders beat and join the Press Conference afterwards and the take usually two questions per side and each sides ask a question of each of the leaders. That didnt happen this time around, Robert Obrien national Security Advisor thinks it was probably a good thing that your former boss Mike Pompeo thinks it was a sign of weakness. What do you say . I have to agree with Mike Pompeo and i think Ric Grenell laid it out as well. I dont understand the calculation of giving vladimir putin the time by himself, i think it was over 45 minutes with the Press Corps to say whatever he wants. Perhaps what happened, as you remember when tony blinken how that meeting in alaska with the chinese and the chinese embarrassed Secretary Blinken and spent 20 minutes going after the american side, perhaps they were worried that an incident like that may happen with vladimir putin. The problem is if you dont have them standing sidebyside then you dont have the ability to factcheck and to correct in realtime. And we all know, i think everyone thought this on the show, put in lies and blisters but i think its important to look at that in realtime. Sandra Air Force one is about to depart in geneva. But for instance, putin intentions are clear. With that indicate that nothing changed as a result of these hours long meetings . I actually think Dana Perino said it best, i think it was yesterday or the day before. Dana said, and certainly we have both been Press Secretaries and i concurred with her, i never understood why we call this a summit in the first place. Senator cotton pointed out whether meeting was on the ground and neutral territory, it is important for these two leaders to me. The national Security Team pointed out about four years ago, we are in an area between the United States, china and russia. This is a moment in time where both leaders are sizing Each Other up and i think vladimir putin is trying to figure out is this the same Joe Biden that hes met with for most of his and Joe Bidens career, or all of the people in the Room Today from Secretary And Lincoln to President Biden and victoria newman, did mr. X in just ago. For eight years you had a group of people who were incredibly dovish as it relates to russia, a group of people that stood by and watched putin invaded crimea and effectively did nothing about it. It was an administration that was characterized by very tough language, very strong words but very little action. My guess is that vladimir putin and his team are trying to figure out, are they going to behave the same way that they did four years ago which is that they are going to lecture me publicly and wagged their fingers at me publicly but im going to get away with what i want to behind the scenes. There was one other point that i would bring up that was incredibly important to the conversation, when he talks about the 16 different infrastructure targets that would be offlimits for Cyber Warfare, thats giving a little bit of criticism on twitter but i think the most important discussion we could have right now is about proportionality as it relates to Cyber Warfare. We know sandra and john what will happen if russia sent a nuclear weapon or some other weapon towards us. The lines Around The World between the United States, china, russia and even iran, the lines are opaque as it relates to Cyber Warfare. It is important No Matter what administration it is to start Drawing Redlines as it relates to Cyber Warfare, what we will tolerate and what we want to. The most important things Coming Out of this administration whether its Human Rights, Cyber Warfare, nuclear arms treaties, and will it be different in the eight years of the obamabiden administration . John as he was boarding Air Force one he was chastising the Press Pool for being negative in their view. Clearly as Journalists Job is to be skeptical about things but its really were as one of our guests pointed out earlier today talks about talks. Typically when you get people together, leaders of these countries as i watch Air Force one fly away and into the waning light of the day here, switzerland is actually quite a beautiful sight. When you get leaders like this together you are supposed to have some deliverable so that you can say, weve agreed to do this. Not just, we talked about talking some more. Is there anything you could come away with here and say this is really a success . A lot of times we consider it a success when we have a meeting to agree with more meetings. When people ask me what we do as diplomats stuff a lot of it actually. I thought the statement that they both signed on to which was supposed to be reminiscent of the reagan era as it relates to nuclear weapons, vladimir putin doesnt believe a word of that. I think it was, it was really a strategic failure to extend a new start without any sort of negotiations and the Trump Administration for the last year under Mike Pompeo and Marshall Billingsley and the rest of us were trying to get the chinese into these treaties. So whats really important i think for your viewers to know is that we are in a nuclear Arms Race with Russia And China. We may not talk about it in america, this administration may not talk about it but right now we are in a nuclear Arms Race and china is building away. The russians are enduring the treaty, we will have to bring china to the discussion that we have to start holding russia accountable whenever they break these treaties. Sandra morgan ortagus, its great to have you here. John thanks for your perspective. Sandra john, lots more had from geneva but there are is some other news that we want to bring to you. A lot more going on, taking heat and the migrant crisis of the border into a deadly humanitarian disaster. 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It seems like its a dusty extreme every time we talk to you. Good afternoon to you. I know i saw like a broken record at this point but is because we see the same thing every time. This is happening is that we are now growing bipartisan calls for bp Kamala Harris to get down here the border and take a look at whats going on down here. Take a look at what we witnessed this morning, within the first mention of us pulling the vehicle on scene, this is what we saw. This is what we see every morning out here, large groups of migrants walking into the United States and once we talk to in this group were mostly El Salvador and guatemala, mostly women with little children. What happens is the runners go across on the border when Border Patrol agents are busy apprehending these folks. Take a look at what we witnessed in the same spot, setting up for a live shot and then a group of about 30 migrants came out of the brush, just as we were getting ready to go live and just sat down. There were no Border Patrol agents anywhere, they had to sit down and wait for Border Patrol to get here. Its brutally hot out here and some of them definitely looked like they were pretty stressed from walking in that heat for so long. It kind of goes to tell the story of, Border Patrol cant be everywhere at once. Also yesterday afternoon, actually excuse me, this was a group from ecuador. I had a chance to talk with them and they told me they had been walking for quite some time. I asked them did any of them here bp Kamala Harris message about not coming to the border . Alter the adults shook their head and said, we didnt hear it. So there something to be set for that. Take a look at this video from our a Fox Flight Team and those are some of those runners that we were talking about. Border patrol helicopters going into the brush, these are the guys that dont want to be captured. They know if they get caught they will likely get sent back. Usually they are from those northern tri series, guatemala, El Salvador in the front doors. All of this in texas democratic congressman sending out letter to bp, whereas telling her im inviting you to come down here to the border, i want you to come down here with me to take a look at whats going on in this crisis is only going down like worse. Sandra blazing temperatures right where you are, 92 now and will be A Hundred over the coming days. We appreciate your reporting from there. John getting downright dangerous to make that truck to the border. The extreme heat getting worse as we had for the west, grady trimble is in an elk county arizona. Whats it like there . Its because in what they are calling a mega drought here. Its the dry conditions combined with the rising temperatures, and in the rapidly melting snow pack, that has led lay comedic to its lowest level since over the dam was complete. This water that you see irrigating these cornfields come from like meda, and we are with stephanie smallhouse. She is president of the arizona farm bureau. This will be a huge problem if farmers have to make cuts of the amount of water that they can irrigate their crops with. Absolutely. The whole state of arizona and even other parts of the country are dependent upon the storm is being able grow crops. We are expecting that to declare a tier one shortage and they cut that by about a third to a half, which is no way to run a business. And what can we do to help. And thats funding for the Infrastructure Bill. We need more storage and conveyance, we need to look at more recycle and reuse investment, and it is important to remind people if this happens and they have to cut back so drastically that will hit everybody. Exactly. In the long term the poor farmers that you have producing food domestically is going to have an impact on supply which is going to impact prices. Unfortunately most farmers dont see that increase but you will as the consumer. Farmers are the first to be hit and thats a first to highlight whats going on. John of times, grady trimble. Sandra when it comes to those two leaders i should say that President Biden could not appear more at odds with his russian counterpart who is often pictured as you will remember like this, shirtless. The images get a lot of mocking in the west but in russia it all shaped pollutants image as tough leader. Steve harrigan knows it well, he spent a decade living in russia and has a look at the prudent strategy over the years. I remove in the 1990s houcks exciting it was to be in russia. Communism was dead, starting to get free media and it looks like russia was really on the road to being a democracy. But 20 years of vladimir putin and thats all gone. To solidify his grip on power, he cultivated a cult of personality which some consider a relic from the soviet past. Its just fundamentally insane. This is a famous picture of him being shirtless on the horse showing flab. Certainly doesnt look athletic. Russias return to an authoritarian past under putin, freemarket democracy under Boris Yeltsin caught many american officials by surprise. We underestimated the weight of russian traditions, and i think we have this assumption that once communism was gone, the russians kind of want to join the rest. And that was a very small number of people. That raises the question, who lost russia. Its the idea that it with the u. S. s fault that russia is what it is today, its absolutely false. Russia lost russia. At The End of the day, mr. Putin was reelected after his first term and there was no illusions of what kind of person he was, former Kgb Agent. Despite nationwide protests putins Approval Rating is still around 60 . Sandra and john . Sandra steve harrigan, an amazing look back at a strategy by vladimir putin. Steve, thank you. John, im looking at the clock now and here we are 3 minutes to the top of the hour and we got to look at to World Leaders delivering to News Conferences over just the past few hours. John it was interesting, too, we seem President Biden leave but we have not yet seen a vladimir Putin Leave and at the normally bustling harbor here in geneva with the swim club in this area is usually full of little sailboats, still locked down. You can see the police and the military still have got this harbor on a complete lockdown after the summit. This is the third one of the big summits between an american president and russian president vladimir putin that ive been to over the past 20 years. The first one was back in 2001 in slovenia with President Bush and it was another big one in helsinki with President Trump. Then this one. Its amazing when you think of how many president s we had in the United States compared to vladimir putin hanging in and hes trying to arrange it so he can stay in power until hes 84 years old, in the mid2030 so there will likely be more u. S. President s ahead that have to deal with him. Sandra i think the discussion that just took place over Cyber Attacks is going to be fascinating and really sort of dry veneers have here at home in the defense of those Cyber Attacks. Vladimir putin put it on the United States and Latin America but he did say that the two sides that agreed to open consultations on those Cyber Attacks, which he did say were critically important. Most Cyber Attacks currently taking place and thats a country that weve been through. Let me take a look of the site here. Oh, apparently did leave already but theres still lots of Police Presence here, im not quite exactly sure why. When it comes to cyber, when you think about what putin said, He Said russia is not even on the list of countries that engage in Cyber Attacks. And our fbi and or department of justice have pointed fingers at hackers in russia, part two of the biggest Cyber Attacks that we have seen including the one that shut down all the gasoline in the southeastern United States. Making any progress here with a guy he wont even admit that somethings going on, that could be a high bar for President Biden to jump. Is fair to say the tension is still high following these highstakes meetings. John, pack your bags and get home soon, great stuff from geneva. John i still have miles to go before i sleep. Great to be with you, Im John roberts in geneva and thank you for joining us for a special coverage. He will martha with need you here with us, john, a little longer. Good afternoon. Im Martha Maccallum in new york. What a fascinating day this has been to watch this play out as Air Force one heads to the skies and brings the president back to the United States. The reviews are starting to come in on Biden Versus Putin on the World Stage. The meeting was shorter than most people expected it to be. The president said well, we just got through everything on our agenda quicker tn