In the end, he did not get off. If given the maximum sentence under the law, he will spend the rest of his Life In Prison quick. Is that if their punishment . Is the office are guilty of the specific crimes he was just convicted . We can debate that come in over this hour, we will, but heres what we cant debate no mob has the right to destroy our cities, not under any circumstances, not for any reason. No politician or media figure has the right to intimidate a jury. And no Political Party has the right to impose a different standard of justice on its own supporters. Those things are unacceptable in america. All of them are happening now. If they continue to happen, decent, productive people will leave. The country as we knew it will be over. So we must stop this current insanity. It is an attack on civilization. At stake is far more than the future of Derek Chauvin for the memory of george floyd. At stake is america. Before we consider the details of todays verdict, a bigger question, one we should all think about, can we trust the way this decision was made . That is the promise of our Justice System, that it is impartial. That it is as fair as human beings can make it. That the cops who killed Ashli Babbitt will be held to the very same scrutiny as the cop who was just convicted of killing george floyd, that political or ethnic considerations will play no role in jury deliberation. That justice will be blind. Can we say all of that in this case . And if we cant, why cant we . To help us answer those questions, we are joined first time by Miranda Devine of the new york post. Miranda, thank you for coming on. What is the context around this decision . The dairy no man jury was not sequestered, so they were able to see what was happening and broader american society. What did they see . Well, you would hope the jury did the right thing and came to the correct verdict. Tucker yes. I do hope that. But an enormous amount of pressure on them, you know, a lot of them live in the area, and there were riots, there was violence four days throughout the trial. There was a severed pigs head left on the doorstep of what was presumed to be the house of one of the defense witnesses. There was so much menace and intimidation around that trial, that even the president today, before the jury came back, said that he was praying for the right verdict. You had members of Congress Like Maxine Waters weighing in and saying that if the verdict wasnt a guilty verdict, that there should be more confrontation by the mob. In other words, violence, looting, arson, its what this country has put up with for a year, and then you have the president tonight even praised past rioting, the summer of protest, he called it, which he claimed was somehow a unifying theme for the country. I mean, there was 2 billion worth of Property Damage just to start with. Cities were on fire. A dozen people were killed. There is nothing unifying about that. So you have this atmosphere of fear and intimidation, and really, the verdict in this trial, the Derek Chauvin trial, could have been really unifying for the country, because we can all rally around our Justice System and the jury trial and trust it and say that above all else, justice is blind, and that somebody who did the wrong thing was punished, but unfortunately, because of all this external pressure on that trial, on the judge, on the witnesses, and on the jurors who are just ordinary men and women, we cant really unify around it because there is so much concerned i mean, the fact that we all tonight are relieved that there was a guilty verdict, selfishly, because it means our own cities wont be put on fire and wont be looted, is a pretty unhealthy situation to be in, and i dont know where you go from this. You certainly dont have a president who just poured more gasoline on the fire and describes this country as being Systemically Racist. He buys into that destructive narrative, and for a country, of all countries in the world, had a civil war to end slavery, has had a Civil Rights Movement that has had the most harmonious multiracial country in the world, to be black hurting an end defaming it like this for ng for a president , ill say that. Tucker well, its dangerous. I wonder, though, and you have raised so many deep questions that i think well have a lot of time to address in the coming weeks, but just as a practical matter, now that this decision is public and we know the officer in the george floyd case, guilty on all three colds, why should the rest of us put up with a single day more of rioting, looting, burning, killing . And that is a sincere question. Wash of the country put up with it at all, ever again . You are right, i mean, we should end. But you listen to the activists, immediately after the verdict on msnbc and out of the street, they are saying this isnt enough, this is not justice, we dont care, we are not going to stop until we get our justice, whatever that is. They dont really define what it is. You can lock cops up. They want to abolish the police force. But even if we did that, that still wouldnt be enough. They are revolutionary. What they want to do is break this country down to nothing and rebuild their own utopia. Tucker they can only do that with the passive consent of the population. The number of people pushing for revolution, does not break down along racial lines, by the way, it is a Multiracial Coalition of lunatics, most people of all backgrounds despised this. They want to raise their families and go to work. This is only happening because they are allowing it to happen by their passive stance on it. How long the lot continue, do you imagine . Look, i think joe biden and the democrats have done a very good job of demonizing the conservative half of the country, and january 6th, the capital riot, just played into their hands, and the media is, of course, a huge part of this, exaggerating and demonizing people who dont go along with their fake narrative. I just i think while the media continues to be hand in glove with the left and the democrats, we are in a really powerless state. Half the country just doesnt trust our institutions anymore, and the other half is trying to destroy them. Tucker i think that is nicely put. Sad, but it is true, unfortunately. Miranda devine, thank you so much for that context. Thanks, tucker. Tucker so, there was a political context around this trial politicians should not have any influence on trial, that is antithetical to what justice is. They did intrude at every level of this case. We will tell you how. After the verdict, joe biden declared systemic racism is a stain on this countrys sole a jury in minnesota found former Minneapolis Police officer Derek Chauvin guilty on all counts in the murder of George Floyds last may. It was a murder in the full light of day, and it ripped the blinders off for the whole world to see. The systemic racism the Vice President just referred to. The systemic racism that is a stain on our nations soul. The knee on the neck of justice for black americans, enough. Enough of the senseless killing. Today, todays verdict is a step forward. Tucker systemic racism, a term that neither joe biden nor anyone else who uses it has ever defined with any precision whatsoever. But more striking is bidens posture. You would think you would be excited by this. Just this morning, as the jury was still deliberating, the president of the United States that he was praying for a guilty verdict. Im praying the verdict is the right verdict, which is overwhelming, in my view. I wouldnt say that unless the jury was sequestered now, not hear me say that. Tucker when was the last time a sitting president weighed in on a Jury Decision before it was made . Answer . Never. Ask about this a few hours later, attended joe biden had not actually said what he actually said. You are not able to clarify what is overwhelming, the evidence, the case presented by the prosecution . We are not going to get ahead of the outcome. I expect when there is a verdict, he will have more to say. The president talked about the importance of an independent judiciary. Why is it appropriate for him to weigh in on the verdict, even though the jury i dont think he would see it as weighing in on the verdict. He was conveying what many people are feeling across the country. Tucker yeah, he was just conveying what many people were feeling. He was not weighing in, the single most powerful man in the world, on a jury that had not been reached yet. He did not say what you saw him stay. That sounds like a familiar defense, it is exactly what Maxine Waters and her throughout washington are using today, after waters threatened the jury with violence if they did not find a guilty verdict. We have to fight for justice. And i am very hopeful, that i hope that we are going to get a verdict that will say guilty, guilty, guilty. Weve got to stay on the streets. And we have got to get more answers. Have to get more confrontational. We have to make sure they know that we mean business. Tucker so there is a Reason Police were all over the streets in cities across the country last night, and it is that, the threat of violence. And Maxine Waters threatened violence before the jury had even begun to consider the facts of the case. That is so far over the line that some democrats were shocked by it, yet no one condemned at. That includes the president and the most powerful people in the Democratic Party, speaker pelosi, and a of maryland. They came out and support. And state media, public broadcasting system, came over the next donation at the White House Press briefing. Watch this propagandist explain what Maxine Waters really meant. Representative waters, if you could clarify, my actual words dont matter. I wonder why the white house isnt coming to the defense of representative waters, she is facing attacks, especially by republicans, i wonder why the white house is not saying we back what you said about being confrontational. She was obviously not threatening violence. Civil rights leaders are saying that is what civil rights is, to be confrontational, to be active. She also clarify her own remarks. I think that is the most powerful piece to. 2. Tucker [laughs] that lady works for you. She literally works for public television, and there she is slacking for a lunatic Maxine Waters at the White House Press briefing. It hasnt always been this way. And our leaders havent always talked like they are seized by religious fervor. Here was the speaker of the house today thanking george floyd because he died in order to make the Democratic Party more powerful. For his sacrifice, she said. Watch this. Thank you, george floyd, for sacrificing your life or justice. Because of you and because of thousands, millions of people around the world, who came out for justice, your name will always be synonymous with justice. Unless we can change the law, this will be an episode. We change the law, we are going down a different path altogether. Tucker so the guy dies on the sidewalk, and here this lady comes out and politicizes it so completely, he becomes a Democratic Party saint. Thank you for your sacrifice this is a grotesque. It is a cult, obviously. But what does it mean for the rest of us have to live here under the leadership of people like that . Candace owens is the host of candace, and were happy to have her on tonight. Candace owens, you would think in a country like ours, this is the most first world country that has ever been, we think the most civilized, and the most just, here you have to consider a murder case through the lens of politics. When you get to that point, havent you already given up civilization . Thats correct, and we are really seeing mob justice, and that is really what happened with this entire trial. This was not a trial about george floyd and Derek Chauvin. This was a trial about whether the media was powerful enough to create a simulation and decide upon a narrative absent any facts. Whether it was powerful to repeat showing and talking about a nine minute clip that came from somebodys cell phone, without adding any context, without showing the full, you know, the full police video, which they could have released, they refused to release the full body cam which would have added more clarity, to the fact the media was lying. The media came out lets not forget, tucker, the media told us this was a man who is just getting his life together. A good member of society, and he mixed up because a racist white Police Officer had it out for him and killed him. All of that fell apart. All the facts came out, all of that fell apart, we now know right now that he had a Snuff Fentanyl in him, three times the legal dosage in him when hey cared because the media was successful in putting on a narrative, and they kept hitting that narrative, and the democrats are happy because they realized the media supports them and now means democrats can get whatever they want because they can create a narrative and they can treat people like pons and get them to basically say if we dont get what we want, we will riot, we will lose, we will send these people like soldiers to destroy your neighborhoods, and that is exactly what has happened. That has been the determination of this trial. The media and the democrats now have enough power to bully to bully him to lie and to create propaganda and successfully win, and that is what happened, and they are celebrating that wind today. This was not a fair trial. No person can say this was a fair trial. Tucker you just have to take three steps back and acknowledge that only one side behaves this way. I mean, a jury in 1995 concluded that o. J. Simpson, despite dna evidence, hadnt murdered two people, and there were no riots. More to the point, there were a lot of people trump voters, sitting behind bars now come have been four months, charged effectively with trespassing. We have seen the charges. No one in Congress Stands up for them. Nobody is for Prison Reform when it is their political enemies. That is not equal justice, but nobody says it. Why is that . Because we have two pandemics going on. A pandemic of immigrants in this country, and that is only allowed because we have a pandemic of cowardice in this country. Okay . We have people purposely putting out a bunch of ignorant claims, and then we have people that are too cowardly to stand up and say, you know what, this is wrong. There so much that has been going on in this country that is wrong. You talk about it. I talk about it. But we do not have people in congress willing to take this fight where it needs to be taken. By the way, Maxine Waters inciting violence, im so old, tucker, i remember when a man said to march peacefully and patriotically to the capital and that was considered an incitement for violence. Oh, my god, get this person disappeared from social media because he is calling for violence. Look at what Maxine Waters said. No one in the medias condemning these marks. That same media that condemned trump and his supporters for weeks on end is now defending Maxine Waters, and we know this is not the first time Maxine Waters has incited violence. Dont forget if you see it from supporter, russian town in the restaurant, they are allowed to do this. They are allowed to play with a different set of rules, get away with virtually anything because we do not have strong people on our side willing to stand up. It is really so frustrating. And the idea of murdering george floyd, the way nancy pelosi spoke about him, completely forget all of the trauma he brought against his victims while he was alive, a man that served seven plus in prison while he was alive, armed robbery, and now we are going to murder him and say your name will forever be synonymous with justice . Imagine, tucker, if you are one of his victims that is alive, one of his victims he arms robbed, that this mans name will always be synonymous with justice, how would that feel to you . I feel like we are living in fiction right now in america. We are living in fiction because people are not Strong Enough to call out this stuff, and i feel like i am one of the only ones who has the courage to say i will not be mobbed into a different reality. Tucker this is why they try and pull you off the internet, because you are not afraid. Have to ask you. It is frustrating to watch, you and i have been talking about, where one side ferociously defends its power, the underside of brandons its borders to jail. I wonder, is there a point, youre not allowed to block my street, steal stuff here im going to defend my family and business, you dont have a right, there is no justification for riots, and im not going to put up with it. They are already moving the goal posts because they are saying right now that that is not enough. That wasnt just us, by the way. What theyre saying its what they want is a perpetual revolution. It is why they want people to be ignorant. It is why they want people in the Education System to learn to be angry. Because when people are ignorant, they act like toddlers. They whine, complain, and cry because they are absent facts and absent knowledge, so were actually seeing seeing a systemic oppression that is taking place that is rotten, it is propaganda that is taking place in the mainstream media, and it is working, Critical Race Theory and all of this nonsense, to make sure we are massproducing failures that are angry and that are violent and that are willing to riot and glued on behalf of the democrats because that is what they want right now, ponds in their nefarious schemes to take over this country. Tucker could make people radical, unfortunately. Thats a shame. Candace owens, it is great to see you tonight. Thank you so much. Thank you. Tucker matt finn on the ground tonight In Minneapolis. He was there this summer, and he is back. Matt finn, good to see you tonight. What is happening there . Tucker, behind me, you can still see the National Guard vehicles outside the courthouse, the razor wire, the concrete barriers. For the past couple weeks if not months, the city has been on edge bracing for this verdict and this trial. Right now, there are still demonstrations and marches going on across the city. They are largely celebratory, although we know, after people often take advantage of demonstrations. They have interest in causing destruction and violence. Here in downtown minneapolis, it really has been a ghost town. Corporate offices, corporate buildings, coffee shops, restaurants, everything boarded up. You can drive entire city blocks without seeing a person or any life. Very unfortunate situation that minneapolis once again had to board up its retail and commercial districts to prepare for this trial. Police and city authorities also warning that george floyd square, which has become an autonomous zone in the city, which saw a spike in crime and at least one Fatal Shooting in that area, is going to be reopened again, so we will keep an eye on that. When we got up here in early march preparing for Jury Selection and eventually the trial, and back then, but a month and a half ago, Business Owners were telling us that they had plans in place for riots, that they were boarding up again. A Business Owner or two told us they can no longer afford to keep opening and closing their businesses, between covid and all of the unrest here in the city, so we will keep an eye on the demonstrations. We have cruise around the city as we progress into the night, tucker. Tucker matt finn for us In Minneapolis, appreciate it. Well, after Maxine Waters, the chairman of the House Financial Services committee, the Single Member with the most power over our financial system, threaten jurors In Minneapolis with violence if they didnt convict in this case, the judge said that the verdict might be turned out on appeal as a result. I am aware of the media reports. I am aware that congresswoman waters was talking specifically about this trial and about the unacceptability of anything less than a murder conviction, and talk about being confrontational, but you can submit the press articles about that. This goes back to what i have been saying from the beginning. I wish elected officials would stop talking about this case, especially in a manner that is disrespectful to the rule of law and to the Judicial Branch and our function. I think if they want to give their opinions, they should do so in a respectful and in a manner that is consistent with their oath to the constitution, to respect the coequal branch of government. Their failure to do so, i think, is a point. Tucker the judge in the case scolding Maxine Waters, doing with your colleagues on capitol hill and the president of the United States refuses to do. That judge, by the way, is not some right winger. He worked for amy klobuchar, at one point, the democratic senator from minnesota. Joining us not to assess, thank you for coming on. We have not spent a lot of time talking about the legal argument in this case. In america, the jury can handle that and the judge. But since maybe we are wrong about that, but since the judge did respond, as you just saw, to Maxine Waters threat to violence, what do you think happens next in this case . Well, actually, tucker, i think that is a little bit bizarre, his reaction, because of the judge thinks this outside influence has been so great that the case is likely to be overturned on appeal, he should have the declared a mistrial. Does not make any sense to me, legally speaking, and what he should have done, if he really thought that Maxine Waters comments were abhorrent, and if he was worried about what the president said, weighing in while the jury was deliberating, he should have sent a message that you dont mess with justice and a coequal branch of government and should have declared a mistrial. Interesting. Why do you think he didnt . Well, he does not want to do the case again. He wanted to bring this case to a verdict. He wanted to get it over with. No judge really likes trying cases. They are timeconsuming, their dockets build up, it is sort of a Dirty Little Secret of the legal world, judges really dont have time to be spending on trials, trials are only a few percent of their entire case docket, so he was really distracted by the case. He wanted to get it over with, and he figured that this is there one shot. Everyone knows that if you have to try a case twice, if there is a mistrial, the odds of conviction go down. The odds of an acquittal go up. And the judge knows that, and i think that is one of the reasons why he refused to grant any missed trials in this case, where i think some were certainly warranted. One of the biggest problems was in Jury Selection, when the city of minneapolis announced publicly a settlement with George Floyds family, in essence conceiving responsibility for the death of george floyd while the jury was being impaneled. Talk about outside influence. That was just one of many examples in this case. Tucker 27 million. The judge was distracted and wanted to get it over with. I hope my surgeon does not feel that way the next time i go to the hospital. Do you think, just bottom line for us, was this a fair trial . You know, i would like to say yes. Certainly, chauvins behavior seems to me to be police brutality. I think the Manslaughter Charge looks like the right result to me. What im worried that it wasnt a fair trial. So while the result looks right, everyone is exultant because they wanted this was a resultoriented result. Everyone wanted this result, but was it fair, and what does it mean for justice . I dont think it was a fair trial. With all the outside influences. And it wasnt even just Maxine Waters, it was the last year of gravel, rioting and looting all over the country, which told the jurors one thinge result we like, you are next, and i dont know any jury its like the old mob cases, where people were worried about juror safety. It is the same thing here. We cannot do a Justice System via mob rule. I dont care how unpopular or even guilty a defendant is. We have no Justice System if it is by mob rule. Tucker you are not disputing the result, you are very worried about how we got there, in summary. Exactly right. Tucker francie hakes, thanks so much for joining us tonight. Thanks, tucker. Tucker cities across the country were prepared to burn if the verdict came back different from what it actually did. You are seeing footage from the past couple days and oakland, minneapolis, thousands of National Guard troops deployed all over the country, more than a thousand in the city of philadelphia alone. James cragg knows a lot about the subject, he runs the Police Department in detroit, the chief they are, and we are happy to have them on tonight. Chief greg, thank you so much for coming on. Do you think this is going you have kept, i think it is fair to say, detroit, pretty well under control over the last year, in contrast to most other big cities in this country. But looking out across america, do you think we are at the end of lets burn wendy, lute of the Department Store stage, wars are going to continue . Its going to continue. A over a week ago, i predict this. Summit asked me on another show, do you think if there is a not guilty i said it doesnt matter, it is going to continue. We didnt happen in detroit for a reason. We sent a tone here. We are not going to allow these no cop zone seven up, you are not going to violate the law. We are not going to cave in. We support peaceful protest, but i tell you, tucker, sadly, i dont think it is over. In other parts of the country. Tucker why we talked about this before, you were in detroit in 67 when the first big riots hit, and he went out to california, a lot of different cities. Why do you think other cities allow mobs you know, whatever they believe to wreck their downtowns . Why would they put up with that, do you think . I think because they are cowards. Im just going to i mean, its that simple. People in these cities, and i can speak for detroit and i can speak for l. A. , you talk about some of the communities that really rely on the men and women to go out and protect, they support the police. But then you get some folks that sit in seats of influence im not talking leadership, tucker, because that is different. We are not talking about rashida tlaib, as i have set on many shows on fox, not a leader, sits in a seat of influence. And so, it is a very different situation. So, no, it is it is sad what we see going on today, tucker. I feel bad for my colleagues in los angeles. You talked about it in your last segment, columbus, ohio, defines the police, i did not work out well for a lot of cities. New york. And so, detroit is very different, and im so honored to be here and the Community Supports us, and yes, we have the individuals here to talk about defunding. Rashida tlaib talk to a very small group. She does not represent come in my view, the people who live in the city. Tucker its so funny, the people who live in detroit, overwhelmingly africanamerican, a lot of poor people live there. These are the people the rioters say they are acting on behalf of, these are our people, but they dont want this in detroit. I think it tells you everything. They dont want it, and you know what they tell me . They got angry over the summer when some of these outsiders came into our city and they were chanting go home. In fact, there were gang members gang members, tucker, Waiting A Block from one of the protests, and we stop them. They just didnt understand detroit. Detroit is not a real friend to outside influence. Look, if they had a bad Police Department and they wasnt satisfied with what we are doing, they handle their own business. When i worked here years ago, thats detroit. Its gritty. When i look at cities like chicago, philadelphia, and i watch the looting, the fact that police had retreated, what is going on, tucker . Not in detroit. Tucker its ruling class decadence. That is certainly. Chief cried, it is great to see you tonight. Thank you very much from detroit. Always good to be on your show, tucker. Tucker thank you. So, there were calls up and down the power structure, the president of United States that he was praying for a guilty verdict. In the verdict came and it was guilty, no one seem satisfied on the left. One commentator said it was proof the system doesnt work. Im not happy, im not relieved, i dont have any sense of satisfaction, i dont think the system is working, i dont think this is a good thing. This is not the system working. This is a makeup call. This is the Justice System trying to say hey, this is one bad apple, because this is how it will be interpreted. One bad apple, he got in trouble, yea, blah, blah, blah, yet still going to be young black and women being shot today, tomorrow, two weeks from now, because unless we have radical reform, there is no less lesson learned. Tucker says the guy in the tv studio. Hasnt made anyones life letter. Meanwhile come over at cnn, a senior legal analyst offered her theory as to why business is reporting all over the country,e local elected leaders and leaders received a heads up that the verdict would be not guilty. That trust gap that is already there between our Justice System and members of the community, it expands exponentially, because in their minds, they say you are preparing me for an acquittal. You are telling me, if its boarded up, you anticipate my unrest, my wrath. You anticipate the evolution of the protest into looting and other things. And so, what are part of what you are seeing is the pavlovian reflex to respond and say what does this mean if youre calling out the National Guard . People believe did you get a heads up, governor . Did you get a heads up, president . Did you get a heads up, judge . Tucker that is so stupid its kind of hard to know exactly what she was trying to stay, but it appears to be this. The mobs that have burned all these cities, intimidate the hell out of the rest of the country, but the fact the rest of the country is intimidated is in fact evidence they are racist. Okay. Don lemon told us today, as the verdict wasnt really about Derek Chauvin at all, it was about what this country values. Im really nervous about this, especially people of color, jake, because of what this means for the entire country, but also what it means for the value of black life in this country and State Violence against people of color. America is on trial here, and i think this verdict will indicate just how much of a value that the system, right, that America Places on black people. Tucker Americas On Trial here. The American News media is on trial and you have been found guilty of recklessness and soupy stupidity. This is the hallmark of something bad to come, they demand something, they threatening violence if they dont get it, and they are not happy. This is how they reacted, they are even madder. That means more radical changes on the way. Steve krakauer is a media analyst, founder and editor of fourth watch, with reading, it also once worked at cnn, at one point, like some of us. Great to see you tonight. How do you explain this . These are people who have said, if this jury doesnt return a verdict that i agree with, america is a terrible place. The jury does dutifully return the verdict that they demanded, but america is an even worse place . What is this . Right, yeah, america is on trial and the system is on trial, and it is three guilty verdicts across the board, and Msnbc Assaying the system did not work, this is not an example of the system working. I think this is an example of the way the media operates these days. Everything, all the good and all the evil that exists in america, we said being portrayed by the media, is cast into this one story. Really, misses like some sort of microcosm of everything good and everything horrible in america, now what . Move onto the next thing, cast all of these goods and ills onto the next story because apparently we are moving onto the next one now. Now we are onto the next thing to be as our example. Tucker well, of course, because they see in end to the gripped. All of a sudden, if america is a pretty decent place, it returns verdicts we are happy with, Jason Johnson is never added happiness to america or any place, so if we declare victory then we half to go home, we dont want to go home because it pays well. Right. Honestly, it feels like a lot of the analysis over the last few hours, certainly over the last couple weeks, has been very surface here. I think there is an interesting case to be made here that Darnella Frazier, the 17yearold who filmed that video that day, that became, honestly, the prosecutions entire case, it is a good example of the way that the media this was an end around around the media apparatus. This was around media power and Law Enforcement power. We saw a Law Enforcement that were reasonably skeptical of Law Enforcement, the Brian Sicknick case, natural causes, spinning with the media. You look at the first report about what happened to george floyd, that completely contradicts what Darnella Frazier found in that. And those kind of things, this kind of examples of citizens who are proving that there is an end around around legacy media, traditional media, and Law Enforcement, anything power structure, that is an example of where this is going in america and ways of getting outside of those mainstreams. Tucker steve krakauer, who writes probably the only interesting Media Newsletter there is, not the crazy ideological, pretty straightforward and smart. Great to see you tonight. Thanks, tucker. Tucker joe biden and kamala, whatever you want to call her, harris, called the floyd family and their lawyer, benjamin crump, today. It was quite a moment. An incredible family. I wish i were there around you. We are also relieved. All three counts. We are going to get a lot more done. We are going to do a lot. We are going to stay at it until we get it done. Hopefully this is the momentum for the George Floyd Policing Act to get signed. You got it, pal. That and a lot more. Tucker j. D. Vance is the author of the book hillbilly elegy, but more than that, one of the people thinking through what conservativism and the Republican Party should become. Good to see you tonight. So, im concerned, quite apart from the details of this case, which im probably not that qualify to weigh in on to be honest, but im concerned about the way that this cases verdict will affect how the whole country feels about its Justice System, which has got to be considered the bedrock of the whole society, and it seems like nobody has more faith in the system after this, on either side. Yeah, that is exactly right, tucker. You look at the way the president , Vice President , various media figures, axing waters, of course, talked about case, prejudged from only one right outcome, and everybody knows, is basic common sense, that if you are a juror a coverage, which of course jurors were able to see the local news coverage, they would feel pressure to come out in a certain ways. This shows a lot of people, unfortunately, if you are on the wrong set of public opinion, they can come after you in a really hard way. They can pressure even jurors in a court of law, and whatever you think of the Derek Chauvin verdict, the outcome, like you said, cast a pall over the entire Justice System. Tucker the system is what matters. There have been plenty of cases in history were people were punished extra judiciary, outside the system, but it is still wrong. It is always wrong to punish someone in a fundamentally illegitimate way. The way you do it is all important. I just how can you have a trial that we respect if the jurors feel threatened . Is that even possible . No, i dont think, unfortunately, tucker. You are exactly right. Want the bedrock of American Liberty is everybody does the right thing, follows the right process even if you are mad at somebody, even if you think they wronged you, you deal with your conflicts in a court of law because if you dont do that, the entire system, whether his rioting, looting, extrajudicial killings, everything devolves into this ridiculous scenario where you cant have basic peace in your community and in your lives if you cant trust the system to deliver real justice. Tucker why do we allow elected officials to try and influence the jury pool as It Deliberates . Am i missing something, that seems like a bright red line to me. I think theres a chance this gets thrown out on appeal, so maybe they will find you cant extra judiciary asleep trying to influence the jury. Theres a bigger issue here that i really worry about, which is that our ruling class has no sense of proportion. I so i study that asked how many what liberals thought about how many unarmed black people with the shot by police. The real number is actually 27. And one of the things that worries me most about this case is you have a ruling class that is pulling a tear out over an instance that is obviously tragic and terrible, but at the end of the day, is not nearly as big of a problem as the crime wave that is destroying our cities, as the Heroin Epidemic that is killing 80,000 people, and any other number of problems our ruling class seems totally unable to focus on. What worries me most about this is it is a massive distraction. Tucker a massive distraction. And yet, they seemed genuinely hysterical about it. I mean, you spend a lot of time around these people i have come too a motion to figure out, do they mean it, is it all performative, or are as they neurotic as they seem . I think they are as neurotic as they seem, tucker, because theyre terrified of leadership but hungry for power. If they faced the real problems that exist in this country the crime wave, the Heroin Epidemic, the decline of the middleclass economy then they would have to look in the mirror and admit that they come of The Ruling Class has failed to deliver sustainable prosperity for this country. Instead, they get us all spun up over this ridiculous stuff that come again, there are a lot of tragedies out there, but we are spend so much airtime and politicians devoting so much to this, suggests you are not focused on our real problems. Tucker and we are being manipulated. I think there is no doubt about that, being manipulated. Exec the right. Tucker j. D. Vance, great to see you tonight. Thank you for that. So, there have been a couple of reporters who have covered the riots and the chaos all over this country from Memorial Day Weekend to the present. There are not many. One of them is called Shelby Talcott of the daily caller. She is In Minneapolis for us tonight. Shelby, thanks for coming on. What are you seeing there right now . Tucker, so, right now, it seems to be winding down, at least for the foreseeable future. Right after the verdict was announced, everyone was sort of jumping for joy, people were crying, they took to the streets, and it soon turned into another protest because they said, while this was a win for them, it wasnt a win overall. They are still looking for more justice, looking for policy change, they want more officers indicted, and so, its not over for them. Tucker is it so you were there for the original riots back in early late may, early june. When you go back to minneapolis, it doesnt seem like the city has been repaired or recovered from those riots. Well, everything is still boarded up, for sure. I mean, right next to me, there is a giant wall of just, you know, its entirely boarded up. Behind me, the whole courthouse area is boarded up, has been boarded up the entire time, i have no idea, but clearly businesses are struggling to recover from the original riots, and it does stink but they keep just having to board up and shut down, and we are seeing businesses shutter shut their doors early. They are scared. They dont know what to expect when things like this happen, when these verdicts are being announced, and, you know, the city is struggling. Tucker these cities dont know what to expect. You are describing a hostage scenario, actually, where the whole country is being held captive by a small number of lunatics and revolutionaries and opportunists, and it is sad. I appreciate your covering it, shall be. Shall be token of the the daily caller, thank you. A former Deputy Sheriff at the new york citys sheriffs department, he joins us with his perspective on what this means for Law Enforcement. Gavin, thank you so much for coming out tonight. Who is going to become a cop going forward, do you think . I think people will still become Police Officers. This really is a Learning Experience for everyone. Lets face it, what we saw in that video was pure savagery. I mean, the Documentary Evidence showed the Police Officer putting his knee on the perpetrators neck while he was rear cuffed and his stomach was on the ground, causing asphyxia. What i would like to see, tucker, i would like to see more training for police. I would like to see the police trained as emts like the fire department. For example, the new York City Fire department, we have firefighters that are emts. Who gets there first, it is the police. In reviewing the tape, what i saw, when i noticed was the Police Officer had moved on the subject, mr. Floyd, from his vehicle, he was able to handcuff him, and then he was able to seat him on the ground, and he was handcuffed. At that point, they should have left him there. There was no reason to move him. And obviously, mr. Floyd, he was emotionally disturbed. At that point, you want to say, hey, mr. Floyd, let me take your pulse, things of this nature. We have to change the way we deal with people. Now, ive used hundreds ive used horse on literally over 500 people in my 21 year career in the new york city sheriffs department. Ive never had anybody go unconscious. That was clearly an excessive, unjustified use of force. I think the verdict was just, we had Documentary Evidence, testimonial evidence, and it was an open and shut case. But moving forward, what we need to do, in my opinion, we need to have tucker how about enforce the law . So, wait, slow down. Do we enforce the law . Lets say people are going through the windows in macys and the cops are just standing there. Do they resign because obviously their honor is being violated, but they are not doing anything about it, when do they start doing something about protecting everyone else, not just george floyd . No, i want people to i want the police to protect people, but when, specifically, we are dealing with a person in custody who was handcuffed and he was subdued. Tucker right. At that point, we have to take a different tack. One of the things i want to suggest tucker im totally willing to believe that, yep. The u. S. To primitive justice came out with a paper on Positional Asphyxia and sudden death, published in 1995 and again in 1998. I think every Law Enforcement officer should read that and it should be read, because it talks about the physiology of a struggle. Like i said, mr. Floyd was brought under control. What should have happened at that point, ems should have been summoned, and he should have been placed in an ambulance, and a supervisor should have been called to the scene. I just think that it was excessive tucker yeah, well, the guy who did it looks like hes going to spend the rest of his Life In Prison. Im kind of more worried about the rest of the country, which thanks to police in action, in case you havent noticed, is, like, boarded up. [laughs] that is more my concern. Ed gavin, thank you. Note, don, thank you. Ed mcdonald is the author of the war on cops, she joins us. Heather macdonald, i am concerned by the number of cops retiring, i think there are a lot of there are bad cops, certainly, some will use excessive force, we should get them out of police forces. But it seems like the message is, if Police Officers are being forced to stand by and allow billings to burn, and cities cities across the country, they dont do anything, then who would want that job, honestly . No one. The Demoralized Lay Station is so huge. We do not have riots tonight, talker, but we have been having a slow ride for the last year. We will have a slow riot for the next four years. Biden today said enough of these senseless killings, which he is referring to the dozen of blacks who were gunned down fatally every day and drive by shootings, was he referring to a 7yearold adams, who was t fatally six times at a mcdonalds over the weekend . Of course not. He was returned referring to the phantom of systemic police bias. It is outrageous on the part of our leaders, whether President Biden or former president obama today who came out with another phony, lie filled statement that the police are Systemically Racist and flax our right to fear for their lives from the cops, that is a lie. Here are the facts, tucker, last year there were 15 allegedly armed blacks fatally shot by the police out of a population of blacks of 40 million in this country, that represents. 2 of all blacks who are killed in homicides last year, killed by other blacks. The demoralization of Law Enforcement resulted last year and the largest single percentage increase in homicide in u. S. History. That increase is continuing. It is spreading into the suburbs. This country is now being held by riot extortion, and the rule of law is breaking down, and Public Safety is not going to return as long as this phantom narrative about Police Racism remains dominant in the Democratic Party and in our president ial administration. Tucker heather macdonald, thank you very much for that. Thank you. Tucker appreciate it. We are monitoring tonight what is happening In Minneapolis at around the country. Glenn beck joins us in just a moment. [narrator] imagine a shirt that actually makes you feel better, introducing tommie coppers shoulder centric support shirt, their biggest breakthrough yet. Advanced engineering promotes Healthy Posture and relief for achy shoulders and back. Visit tommiecopper. Com to see the entire line of wearable wellness compression. They have you covered from head to toe. Tommie supports my back and my life. [narrator] go to tommiecopper. Com right now and save 25 . 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Trying to take a bigger view and looking at, you know, none of us were in the jury room, but now we are kind of in our living room and all dealing with it together, you have to ask, whats next, and what role am i going to play in that . I saw nancy pelosi look to the skies and thank george floyd for giving his life for justice. And thats one of the things im very worried about. We dont, in america, try symbols or movements. We try individuals. And like i said, i was not in the jury room, and i dont want to get into that, because that is our system. Tucker right. But we have to try individuals and not movements. This verdict does not bring george floyd back to his family. This takes another man who got up one day and wasnt thinking im going to kill somebody away from his family, perhaps for the rest of his life. I wish today, we could be a little more like the amish, when the gunman came in and killed a lot of their children, they mourned with their children, but they also went and they mourned with the killers family and said it wasnt you, but thats not the message we get from too many today. Its all about collective justice and collective guilt. We need to mourn with both sides and realize this has been a horrible, horrible year that has torn our country apart, and we started together, when we all watched this that first day, we all gasped, we all said, oh, my gosh, we were united, but then politics came into the room and tore us apart. For what . For what . So, what is it that we do now . Tonight, a guy is dead and another guy is going to jail for perhaps the rest of his life. And we are looking at a system where justice should be blind. I hope it was in this case. It shouldnt be about color. It shouldnt be about wealth or station. Its blind to justice, not to social justice, and when we achieve that, we do the best we can come and only god can restoe everything else. I just, tucker, i have so many because im watching everybody react to this on tv, and i just think to myself, how do we turn this into a positive . Can we come together, with malice toward none and charity toward all, and come together and heal the wounds, can we find principles that we have in common again . I know, everyone that i work with, everybody i know, is looking toward those principles of equal justice and get the bad guy, not color, not trying people for a cause. We have a great opportunity. Lets see if we grasp it. Tucker so nicely put. Glenn beck, thank you. I appreciate it. Thank you. Tucker before we go tonight, a quick piece of news from the world of big tech. We spent today hearing from quite a few old college classmates, in some cases people we have been out of touch with for 30 years. It was nice, but here was the occasion for it. Jeff bezos had one of his minions, a mentally unbalanced middleage man come up whole our dusty College Yearbook and call around and see if he does anything naughty that cause s like fun. You should know it will not affect any election outcomes. This is a news show. It is not a political campaign. No one here is running for anything or plans to do. On the other hand, if jeff bezos wants to come over to reminisce about 1987 on this show, he is always welcome, anytime. That is the latest for us tonight. Before we go, Tucker Carlson today, 4 00 p. M. Eastern, el president e dave portnoy joins us. In the meantime, sean hannity takes over the 9 00 p. M. Hour from new york. Sean tucker, thank you, and welcome to hannity. We begin tonight, a fox news alert, minneapolis and other cities, new york city preferring for Potential Unrest at this hour, this despite a jury finding former Police Officer Derek Chauvin guilty on all charges. Seconddegree murder, thirddegree murder, and Second Degree manslaughter in the horrific death of george floyd. Anyones bail has now been revoked. He is in jail tonight with sentencing to take place eight weeks from now. He is facing the likelihood of decades behind bars. Be Video Evidence in this case, it was substantial, it was overwhelming, and it was appalling. The jury arrived with their verdict less than 24 hours after being handed the case. Not a single question asked by the jury to the