We have the latest from the boarder as well as the mixed signals out of the administration as to who, if anyone, could be coming next from the White House. Also, well be hearing from Rick Perry, the former governor of texas and indeed a former Energy Secretary of the United States. Its a busy show. The focus right now is on The Border, whats going on there. Largely on investigations with different parties sending different groups at different times to echo the same theme it is getting to be rather dangerous down there. Welcome. Im neil cavuto. This is your world. Alex hogan is seeing all of this first hand. She joins us out of mission, texas. Hi, alex. Hi, neil. In the early hours of the morning, we were able to join Border Patrol and step into their shoes and see how they view this Immigration Challenge and what we found in the dark families and people traveling alone who banded together for safety in numbers. Some of those people were seriously ill and needed immediate medical treatment. Others were lost and needed direction, not knowing where to go. What weve seen also, the number of children increasing. Theres more than 19,000 children who crossed The Border just last month alone. Border Patrol Council Vice president Chris Cabrera said in the last 20 years, its the busiest hes ever seen its. The worst thing we can do is become numb to something like that. That is not normal. Its becoming all too common to us now. Wee see these kids in situations like that. The tour was organized through a Trip Led by House Republican Whip steve scalise. The delegation will continue their visit to the Border Meeting with other agencies. Among them, the Texas Department of public safety. Scalise calling on the president to come to The Border and hear the stories himself and take immediate action. Back here live, president bidens 2022 discretionary Funding Request has eliminated funding for the unfinished parts of the Border Wall. One resident that spent his own money had finished part of the wall on his own land and built a road for Border Agencies to use on his property. Meanwhile, back there this morning the brush, we saw some of these migrants come over from the Rio Grande river. I talked with one boy. He was a 17yearold. He had been traveling, On The Road for one month. He was hoping to reach north carolina. We continue to see more and more migrants. This is happening every day, every hour. Neil . Neil the numbers just grow and grow. Alex hogan, great recording. Thanks very much. To Rick Perry right now. The former governor of the state of texas. One of the longest serving governors, the Energy Secretary for the United States as well. Thanks for taking the time, governor. Seems out of control. Semantics really dont matter, whether you call it crisis. Its a mess. Its getting messier and more crowded. So what To Do . It is. The issue has been around for some time. In 2012, we saw the trains that were coming up to The Border. Thats when we first deployed in the state of texas at the obama administration, at that particular point in time, signalling not anywhere near as strongly as the biden administration, but even then they were signalling Come On. That signalling is the real problem. Thats the real issue. That. And then the commitment that you dont see from this instruction to secure The Border. Heres the untold story i think, neil, that we really need to talk about. What is happening along that border, the message that is being sent now is that its okay to sexually traffic children because thats what is happening down there in a lot of difference cases. And that business now is now greater than the drug trade. Not only are this administratiOn And their seeming lack of caring about human beings, that are being trafficked out of central and Central America and mexico, up in to the United States. I mean, theres a film that will be coming out very soon called The Sound Of Freedom that talks about this issue. Hopefully it will really get the american peoples attention. This isnt about, you know, folks that are just having a difficult time in their country and wanting to find a better life. This is about Modernday Slavery that this administration, by allowing this to happen, but not sending the signal dont come, theyre supporting it. I dont know how they can have a conscious at all. Just to stand up and say, you know, where is your shame and allowing this type of activity to occur are. Its just this is inhumane in the greatest sense, neil. Neil all right. Now, they like to point out that these cases youre talking about are very rare. We can go back and forth on that. What we do know to your point, the funding along The Border was not a priority in this latest Skinny Budget that the biden administration released today. No Border Wall funding here. A lot of the issues are discretionary, nondefense related items. Very little to address the kind of things youre talking about. So maybe maybe there is a reason to go Take A Look at this. Nor the Vice President to breakaway from whatever shes doing that is so important, to go to The Border. She doesnt have to go to The Border of texas if she decides thats not where she wants to go. Plenty of border in arizona, new mexico, california. What is happening is unconscionable. I dont know how they can stand up in front of the american people and say, we have a caring bone in our body, knowing whats going on there. I will tell you, if they are standing up and saying, well, these are very rare occurrences of people being sexually trafficked, theyre wrong. Theyre absolutely wrong. This have a massive problem that this open border is promoting. They are going to be held accountable for it. They should be. Neil now, the meantime, we know the numbers are growing at the rate some say as 5,000 to 7,500 a week at this rate. A lot of the people, you know, were first if theyre young and migrant minor, you know, holding cells or whatever they want to call them, theyre later sent to other locals all over the country. Also litigating a lot of the other cases on the american side of The Border prior to the mexican side of The Border as it was under president trump. What is your best guest, governor, as to where those who are having their cases litigated in the United States now, where they go . How many of them do you suspect will return to either mexico or points south . Very few would be my bet. Thats what weve seen through the years. History is a pretty good teacher. Once they get in to the United States, they try to dissolve into the society, this administration is seems to be rewarding them for doing that. If youll just get here, well take care of you from now on out. What a horrible message, number 1, in so many cases and to bait people into trying to Come On this very difficult trip where youve got cartels, other criminal elements that will use these individuals different way. As we talked about in the sexual Trafficking Side as mules to bring drugs in. Theres so much wrong with what is going on down there. We know neil governor, to your point im sorry to jump on you there. Were getting word that Roberta Jacobsen is resigning, shes leaving, this is coming from jake sullivan, the national security adviser. Shes been an invaluable contribution to the bidenharris administration. Ambassador jacobs worked her career to advance u. S. Interests in the western hemisphere. I can go on but shes leaving. Shes not been on the job long. What do you think . Well, i let her speak for the reasons that shes leaving. But my bet is the individual that you mentioned may have a conscious. She may be seeing whats going On And recognizing that she cant live with herself if she continues to allow the activities going on on that border to go forward without addressing them neil or she could have been forced out. Thats been known to happen as well. The point is, i think we Cant Side Step whats going on down there. The idea particularly im going back to this issue of the sexual trafficking of individuals, particularly children is unconscionable. Its going on down there and the policies that are put in place by the biden administration, it helps that occur. And they have to stand up, they have to face this, they have to address this issue. Theres no dancing around it. Theyre going to be held accountable for it and need to be held accountable now before it goes on further. Neil all right. Governor, i want to thank you very much as always as we do to anyone that comes on addresses this. I want to tell you more about the virus. By in large in both states, vaccinations are working and bringing cases down. But in michigan, its a different situation. Governor whitmire has now asked people to stop dining indoors, suspended sports for two weeks. Governor Gretchen Whitmire argues that this is to get a handle on a spike in cases that seems to be getting out of hand. Were going to be getting the read from this from a republican and democratic representative each talking to us simultaneously about the need for vaccines and help in michigan next. Some say this is my greatest challenge ever. But ive seen centuries of this. With a companion that powers a digital world, traded with a touch. The gold standard, so to speak ; incomparable design makes it beautiful. State of the art technology, makes it brilliant. The visionary lexus nx. 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Governor whitmire is asking people to voluntarily suspend youth sports the next couple weeks or stop dining indoors amid a surge of covid19 cases. The states congressional delegation, republicans and democrats have been making the case of that in light of this surge that they need more vaccine. To help illustrate that point, Debbie Dingell joins us, fred upton, republican congressman. Both kind enough to join us right now. Thanks to you both for coming. I appreciate it. Congressman dingell, if i can begin with you. You made a personal petition to the administration to open this up to change the vaccine allocation. Sounds like certainly by the white House Coronavirus Response coordinator, you were turned back. Did i get the gist of that . Well, i talked to our governor and i talked to a number of people at the White House. The governor said not at this time. I was on another program this morning and discussing that. They said that is a public Health Recommendation that we should have. Our governor is doing everything. Every hospital is in capacity. Theyre cancelling surgeries, et cetera. The people in the hospitals are not what we saw initially. Theyre 20 to 30 and 40 to 50. We our numbers are the highest in the country. Seven out of the top ten are in michigan. Were doing everything we can, fred and i as we said ten times, that i would disagree respectfully with the White House and say to them, i think its accepted Public Policy and ask them to reconsider. Neil Congressman Upton, are you open to a second plan that not everybody needs two doses . The second dose, give it to people that need it right now. Are you for that . If thats what it takes, thats what it takes. What im hearing from my hospitals, its not a pretty situation right now in their words. Hospitalizations are two, three, four times higher than they were a couple weeks ago. As we see the numbers a lot of people go to florida for spring break. Guess what . Theyre coming back. Were scared to death about where were going to be a couple weeks from now, which is why weve got to make sure that take every effort that we can to increase the vaccinations for folks to slow down that otherwise surge that is coming. So that means you take the moderna shot, the pfizer shot, wait longer to get the second one. To me, if we can get more people included than not, thats not a bad thing. With j j, that is just a oneshot deal. Were trying to avoid something that is around the corner that we see coming, that is going to be a lot worse if we dont get more michiganders vaccinated. This is bipartisan. Every republican and every democrat in our state has been on board, using all the connections we can, whether its a former fda director, whether its tony Fauci Or Francis collins. The White House knows about it. And maybe the News Today that the governor asked for some volunteer effort, its not a mandate but a volunteer to be more comfortable, maybe as we see the numbers escalate the next couple days as they have the last couple weeks, maybe we get them to reconsider. Maybe ship some doses that perhaps other states are not using right now. Neil got it. Congressman dingell, what is remarkable here, michigan has had strenuous restrictions in the past. The governor took a lot of blowback to protect michigan residents. Yesterday with all of that and among the more severe restrictions in the country, this is still happening while in places like florida, texas, not nearly as much. Im wondering if its just the luck or the tragic luck of the Draw Or Something were missing here. Congresswoman, your thoughts. I think its a combination of several things. First, theres covid fatigue. That is a reality. We may be tired of covid, covid is not tired of us. Also, its a big state. I think were the highest in the nation again, have to be b117, the british versiOn And its the highest variant in the state itself. As fred said, we have people coming back from spring break. I want to make the point, the White House is saying you can do more mitigation. Our governor has. Our restaurants, even though theyre open, theyre not open to full capacity. Nothing is open to full capacity. The Governor Neil it is weird that in places where its been fully open and theres been relaxing of almost all restrictions, the numbers are looking pretty good. Im just wondering, maybe Congressman Upton, i dont want to pay politics, but i commend you both for coming here to talk about a common interest, maybe this can illustrate another wild Card Development in the progression of this virus like we seen spikes in england with Herd Immunity certain now by early next week. What is going on here . Youre worried this goes beyond what is happening in michigan, Congressman Upton . Thats why were still worried. You know, we got some counties that are only 10 of the folks that have been vaccinated. You know, the Vaccination Distribution has been done by a strict percentage of population. In michigan, its cold in in the winter. Snowed last week. In warm climates, the virus doesnt do as well. Its the general concept. Its here. Its going to get worse. Thats why we have the u. K. Variant everywhere across our state. So thats why its important that we really send the word to get your damn vacs, get it. Neil wise words. I hate to jump on you but were running out of time. Thanks. Your both fighting the good fight, letting the message be clear and putting aside political differences to get it done. Wish you well. Thank you. Were also following other developments out of the administration just the response of whats going on in michigan and not altering the distribution of vaccine. A plan to set up a group and look at whether there should be more justices on the u. S. 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In 2012, he helped biden and in the Debate Prep played Donald Trump in the Debate Prep for Joe Biden. So here we have a very touchy issue, should we or should we not expand the Supreme Court and rather than having a legal scholar with broad bipartisan respect, they put in with all due respect to mr. Bauer, whom i sure is an excellent lawyer a political hack lawyer, this is not going to increase the sense that this is a commission that is not going to be highly political, highly partisan and arrive at what the left of the democratic party wants. Ill be surprised if they dont come up with a bunch of ways to constrain the Supreme Court, potentially expand the court, expand the appellate courts and otherwise undermine a conservative Supreme Court. All of which will read down to the political disadvantage of the democrats by creating issues that they dont want in the 2020 election if theyre thinking about it. 2022. Neil im wondering too, be careful what you wish for. Yeah. Neil lets say that Joe Biden represents a string of democratic administrations. We dont know what the will happen in 2020 or if you have that going for you and then a court packed with a lot of older justices, you could make an argument that you dont want to risk that now, especially if a republican comes in and he or she can reverse what has been done. Timing is everything with this snuff. What do you think . Well, i think what they may try To Do is say, for example, were going to place term limits. That way they can say if your justice is conservative term out after a certain number of years or certain age, they get replaced by the sitting President And Miracle of miracles, that, who to the advantage of the democrats, this is about partisanship. This is about a partisan reaction to the fact that theres six conservative judges on the Supreme Court. If we dont want to undermine confidence in the Supreme Court, we shouldnt be playing partisan games with it. Look at what is happening now. Justice brier, 80 years old, liberal, is now being the left of the democratic party is demanding that he resign now so that he can be replaced with a much younger democrat. That sort of an indication of hugh politicized the court is. Do we want to politicize it more by this commission coming up with stupid ideas. Neil what i do see a pattern here, karl, the administration is Hearing Progressives and is bending to their wishes even the socalled skinny president that the president says is a blueprint for a lot of things like Defense Spending and boosting it for health and Human Services, transportation, all of these pet projects. At the same time, weve had a lot of spending and a lot of plans for infrastructure that are not all Infrastructure And Covid stimulus that isnt all going to covid. This is a pattern. The administration does Play Ball with that pattern. Absolutely. Its worse than you said. On Defense Spending, they keep a 2 increase in Defense Spending. As i read the description of it, theyre putting Climate Measures in to the Defense Budget. So in reality, i bet the Defense Budget is not increasing at the rate of inflation. Probably declining and on the social side of the budget, were having a 20 increase of the budget in one year after weve had a 2 Trillion Covid relief bill, which a very small fraction is related to covid relief. The rest is for creation of new Government Spending programs that are going neil in this budget, karl, the Department Of Education is going to get 41 , health an Human Services more than 23 , Public Housing 15 . I could go On And on. I know inflation has been ticking up, but its running a 2, 2 1 2 percent rate, not 41 , not running at a 15 rate. Yeah. Think what you just said. Going to give money to education. That makes the Teacher Unions which refuse to open our schools very happy. You talked about a dramatic increase in Public Housing. Big city mayors, everyone of them democrat, they love that. What were seeing here is a Laundry List of the lefts most fervent policy goals, also seeing paying out to the democratic partys institutional supporters. You know, it stinks. Its a bad budget from what i can read so far. The idea that its a Skinny Budget think about it. Between that budget and the 2 trillion, well be spending over 5 trilliOn And the interest on the national debt and mandatory spending on top of that. Spending in this year probably 7 trillion. As much as 7 trillion. Neil and could get as high as 9. Youre right. If the only good news, they call it a Skinny Budget, which has forced me to say im mildly overweight. Thats not a bad compromise. Take your comfort where you can get it. Take your comfort where you can get it. Neil absolutely. Its in the Eye Hoff the beholder. Thanks, karl rove, former top staffer for president bush. Weve got more coming up including tragic death of Prince Philip. Theyre already planning to say goodbye to him. He wanted a lowkey affair so theyre giving it to him. People are wondering about, who will come, particularly Prince Harry, maybe Meghan Markle and maybe a little drama at an affair he wanted to be none of that after this. Look at that scuffed up wall. Embarrassing you. That wall is your everest. But not any more. Today lets paint. Behr. Exclusively at the home depot. Its an important time to save. With priceline, you can get up to 60 off amazing hotels. And when you get a big deal. You feel like a big deal. Priceline. Every trip is a big deal. Are you one of the millions of americans who experience occasional bloating, gas or abdominal discomfort . Taking align can help. Align contains a Quality Probiotic to naturally help soothe digestive upsets 24 7. Try align, the pros in digestive health. And join the align healthy Gut Team up and learn what millions of align users already know. How great a healthy gut can feel. 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Charlie langston joins us from the daily mail. Expert on all things british and the Royal Family and more. Great to see you and thank you. Thank you very much for having me. Neil the prince did not want to make a big todo of it but a lot of people around the world would like to see a big todo. And the issue is, what will that todo be like . What are you hearing . We know that Prince Philip did not want a traditional state funeral. He was against all of that fuss. So what we believe is going to happen is a royal ceremony that will take place at the Georges Chapel at windsor castle. It will be a small intimate family affair. There may be a military procession in landon. Philip was an incredibly decorated member of the armed forces. It would be rude to not pay service to what he did in the army. Given the pandemic, theres huge fears of crowds gathering. People have been urged to stay home and watch it on the television, not to gather. People had to take down the announcement of Prince Philips death because so many people were gathering to take pictures. Its going to be an interesting balance of honoring the incredible man that philip was and staying true to his wishes in that he didnt want a huge amount of Pomp And Circumstance while trying to keep members of the public as safe as possible. Neil you know, i was going to ask the obvious question about Prince Harry and Meghan Markle, whether they will attend. I dont know how far along Meghan Markle is. Your thoughts on that. My thoughts are telling me that Prince Harry will be there. Hes doing his utmost to get back to the u. K. As soon as possible. We believe that he will leave l. A. Via a private jet to fly into london. Its suggested he will be given a diplomatic exemption that allows him to avoid the Covid Quarantine Procedure that every other traveler will have to follow. He will likely get tested and then test add again in the u. K. Provided both tests are negative, he will be able to see his family immediately. We dont think Meghan Markle will attend. Theyve not confirmed that. But she is pregnant. Her baby is due in the summer. She quite far along. Shes going to want to take every precaution to ensure that shes as safe and healthy as possible. Given the on going Covid Restrictions and the covid risk, it makes most sense for her to stay at home around look after herself, her unborn baby and archie. Neil just curious, had Prince Philip seen that Oprah Winfrey Interview with Harry And Meghan and what did he think about it . We do not believe the queen and Prince Philip watched the interview in its entirety. We know they were briefed on the key points and the key allegations that were made by their closest aides. We do know that Prince Philip was unset and angry specifically by the fact that dirty laundry was being aired in such a public forum. Prince philip is of the opinion that when it comes to those big issues, they need to be handled behind closed doors. Hes always had a close bond with similar. They have a cheeky sense of humor. So for Prince Philip, he felt a sense of betrayal and it was over the Top And Shouldnt have been handled in the way it was. Neil interesting. Charlie langston, thanks very much. Daily Mail Reporter on that. Again, an iconic figure and a World War ii hero. The more you hear about his Life And Times and what he did, now quietly and with dignity he did it is a reminder that we lost someone very special. Well be back after this. [sfx psst psst] allergies dont have to be scary. Spraying flonase daily stops your body from overreacting to allergens all season long. Psst psst all good cell phone repair. Did you know Liberty Mutual customizes your Car Insurance so you only pay for what you need . Just get a quote at libertymutual. Com. Really . Ill check that out. Oh yeah. I think i might get a quote. Not again aah, Come On rice. Do your thing. Only pay for what you need. Liberty. Liberty. Liberty. Liberty. Neil all right. Heres the good news. Mostly florida. Restaurants are open for business. Many customers as you want. Heres the bad news. For all of that demand, devil of a time finding workers. Doesnt John Horn know it . The annamaria oyster ball. John, very good to have you. You know, these a double whammy, right . You cant find people. Its the reason why youre unable to that floors me. Can you explain . Were open for business. Our governor has done a great job getting people to florida. Were up 20 from 19. So we had 393 people on our payroll before covid. Right now i have 303. So 90 have not come back since covid. Some of them i understand when we first came out of the covid and i had some say im going on unemployment. At the time 275 from florida and 600 federal, we know from the 600 came from. They were making 875. Were at 25 open. I wont make that much money. So im going to get unemployment and ill come back. They have news to that. Theyre not coming back. Im still 90 short. Im working the dogs out of my staff. We have restaurants around us In Bradenton that are closed three day as week so they can staff their restaurants. Some are not opening until 4 00 p. M. Its not just hospitality. Neil im curious. Any of them expressing a concern to be and large crowds . Theyre worried, theyre nervous. Absolutely. But not that many, neil. Its mostly my guests have been The Ones. Today was the first time my guests have been in a restaurant in over a year. So some of them are. Weve kept or inside at 50 . Again, were fortunate to be in florida. Weve had quite a bit of outside. A lot of districts and the cities are lifted some of their restrictions. Weve been able to were 20 over two years ago. Were still at 50 inside. Carryout is good. I had a couple of my servers and my kitchen people that are taking care of an elderly family member. They didnt want to come back and be around a lot of people. With the vaccines, were getting over that and getting passed that. Nobody is applying for jobs. People, theyre having trouble with drivers, my beer guy, he doesnt have enough drivers to get beer to me. A lot of issues that we have to get through. Neil its a weird one. Obviously the Unemployment Benefits will be around. They were extended for quite a while, well into the summer. I hope you can overcome that. You have a great reputation, looks delicious there. Im on my way after the show. I wish you well. We just need to make sure neil if service is slow, i can deal with that. Thats okay. Thank you. Hang in there. Thank you. Well get it back. Neil i have no doubt you will. John from the oyster bar. Looks like a phenomenal place. So Thats Part of the situation you deal with when youre competing with the united States Government and all of that stuff. We also want to update you on amazon. A big Union Effort failed there. The unions are not giving up. Well explain after this. Some say this is my greatest challenge ever. But ive seen centuries of this. With a companion that powers a digital world, traded with a touch. The gold standard, so to speak ; obsession has many names. This is ours. The lexus is. All in on the sports sedan. Lease the 2021 is 300 for 369 a month for 36 months. Experience amazing at your lexus dealer. Cal our confident forever plan is possible with a cfp® professional. A cfp® professional can help you build a complete financial plan. Visit letsmakeaplan. Org to find your cfp® professional. Neil all right. Not so fast on unionizing amazon. The company dodged what could have been a Union Bullet for them by going ahead and easily slapping down the Unionization Effort in bessmer, alabama facility. Unions are not giving up. Rebecca walzer is here. It was expected to be a win but unions are not giving up. What do you make of this . Its a win for the worker. The workers in alabama said were making over 15 an hour when the federal Minimum Wage is 7. 25. Were getting healthcare. Unions, theres a place for them but we have so many federal protections for the employees now, for health and safety. What were they unionizing for . Union is a business that Amazon Workers rejected in alabama. Neil all right, in alabama though, which is a state that right now its harder there to get that union push, right . Theres other facilities in other parts of the country where unions can try again. Is amazon over this or does it put more pressure on them to be extra generous with the workers . It does put more pressure on them to be generous with benefits. Theyre a very profitable company. 950,000 workers, neil, were talking about. So unionization would be a loss nor the end consumer. Look how aggressively walmart has fought it. They had a shop that was going to canada and they left canada so they didnt have to unionize. So they know how big of a Profit Killer Unionization can be and means higher prices for you and i and every american on amazon every day. Neil that was the argument that amazon was making, too. I dont know if its accurate. But unions are going to a great deal of support out of the White House. Joe biden said all the jobs that he wants to be generated, they better be union jobs. So unions are in a good position nationally. What do you make of that . I mean, you have to make a difference in where you are. If youre trying to unionize in alabama when you To Double the local Minimum Wage, you have a good job there. So what are they unionizing for . If you have legitimate grievances that are not worked out between federal law and going to management, maybe unionization makes sense. I dont see it in amazon, neil. The worst thing i saw in the complaint of the workers is they werent getting enough bathroom breaks. That could be handled through the federal agencies that oversee it. Neil yeah. Union or not, you have a right to go to the bathroom. Thanks very much for that, rebecca. Well be exploring this tomorrow. Heres the five right now. Hello. Im katie pavlich. Its 5 00 in new York City and this is the five. Hunter biden goes hollywood. He hit up late Night Television for laughs with jimmy kimmel. Hunter joking around act his Drug Addiction and dismissing the Laptop Scandal that Big Tech tried to censor. Take a look. If that was your laptop, you say you dont know, which is hard to believe unless you read the book. And then its like