declaring that science is back after another epic clash over covid restrictions on when we can finally get back to normal. senator rand paul and dr. anthony vouching feuding it from americans need to continue wearing masks after getting vaccinated. >> you've been vaccinated and you parade around in two masks for show. you can't get it again, there is virtually a 0% chance are going to get it and you're telling people that have had the vaccine and have immunity, you are defying everything we know about immunity by telling people where to wear masks who have been vaccinated. >> let me just state for the record that masks are not theater, masks are protective. >> if you have immunity they are theater, you are wearing a mask to give comfort to others, you are not wearing a mask -- >> i totally disagree with you. >> jesse: the two going after each other again today. >> instead of saying it might happen, he needs to show me a scientific study showing that it is happening because i'm not one to wear a mask for the rest of my life or something that might happen unless you show me that it actually is happening. >> he's dead wrong. i don't have anything personally against him but he is just, quite frankly, incorrect. >> jesse: and a major development about getting kids back in classrooms, the cdc changing social distancing guidelines in schools from 6 feet to 3 feet. all right, fauci says he doesn't have anything personal, i don't believe that, i think these two hate each other and it's kind of entertaining. >> greg: i thought that was the most volatile battle until i saw joe biden take on a flight of stairs. thank god they didn't have a three knockdown rule or the stairs would be president right now. look, in order to escape the prison of two ideas which is always going to be freedom and restriction, you have to continually reframe your position based on data and that's what rand paul is constantly saying, what is the data tell you? you have to be, as a leader, the adult in the room meaning you weigh the cost on the benefits of staying put or pushing ahead. it's clear, that rand has done more of the work but that's because fauci is not a leader, he's not supposed to do that, he's always supposed to be extra safe even when it harms society so i honestly wish we had a debate like this every week because you saw the yen and the yang, the process versus the change, it's interesting how the right in the form of rand is leading the charge for a change in a return to freedom based on science, given how the media misreports the writers being neanderthals because rand's science is unparalleled, he was very clear, fauci was basing his opinion on conjecture about the possibility of a variant, that hypothesis can suppress your freedoms indefinitely because that possibility never goes away, so that's why rand paul can say, it doesn't matter if there's a slight possibility, you could do that forever. >> jesse: when you are in the white house did you overhear dr. fauci talking trash about rand paul? because i've got to tell you i think he said 150 years ago they would've challenged each other to a duel. >> kayleigh: i think you're right. i never heard dr. fauci talk about senator paul but here's what i did here. i remember sitting in my office and being told that it was unquestionable some of the science being proffered in the early days of covid and i watched fox and i saw this guy saying things that sounded very different from what dr. fauci was saying and i remember scott who ended up coming into work for the administration, look at the data, he brought a huge stack of papers, back in may or june, i kid should be in school, here's the data. look at the devastating effects of the lockdown that dr. fauci was saying something different. that science mattered and just because it came from the trump administration it was called unscientific. and dr. scott atlas has been proven right. >> jesse: i think you probably saw scott atlas on "waters world." so i will claim credit. sandra, you have the mask debate and now the cdc saying "i think we can do 3 feet in the schools, how do you feel about 3 feet? do you think that's going to be okay? >> sandra: if that happens we know we can get more kids back in the classroom. i agree with greg, i think it's an incredibly healthy debate that we saw with rand paul and dr. fauci, the american people, their world needs to see it, we need to see that debate because another doctor we've all been listening to throughout this, he was just on fox a short time ago, saying why the selective science? why do you only have dr. fauci and these others touting this science that proves that we won't spread the virus with the masks, where is the science that shows the loneliness that so many people are going through as a result of this pandemic, where is the science when it comes to that, where's the science when it comes to the loneliness so many are experiencing. for gosh stake team i, get our kids back in school. all those headlines saying this virus going to be gone by april or may, you are seeing that significant drop in cases now, his "wall street journal" article was get the vaccine, return to normal. people need incentive to go get the vaccine, they need to know that their life can return to normal and that potentially they can start to drop the mask. >> jesse: juan, do you think rand paul gets under dr. fauci's skin? or do you think he's just used to this by now? >> juan: i think you like the theater more than i do. if your health care plan allows you to pick a doctor and you had a choice between dr. paul and dr. fauci, you better take dr. fauci. i think the american people are pretty clear on this, fauci has 60% plus of the american people saying he's done an excellent or good job in handling the virus. so the idea is even in theater you know what, you've got to acknowledge that the script changes, things evolve and as the cdc comes across new information as they come to new conclusions i think the audience should applaud that we are being given the latest evidence and the latest information in order to protect ourselves and our families. >> sandra: what if it's too late or too slow? >> greg: he didn't change, though. >> juan: we need to protect ourselves so if you hear dr. fauci saying, right now we are unaware of the impact of the variants, we can see the infection rate in this country is level, it was dropping and now it's level and we worry it will be going up. we see what's going on in europe, neither having lockdowns in europe where previously they were saying, we are going back to normal. we want to make sure that doesn't happen here. we want to have an incentive that says let's all wear the mask, take the precautions now so we don't get into europe's situation again. this should not be political theater but even in political theater you should applaud people who are looking out for you. >> jesse: okay, juan. cases haven't leveled in the u.s., they are dropping like a rock. incredible. there's been no leveling. no leveling, man, we are going south. as we've been vaccinated. up next, joe biden promised to restore america on the world stage, but he just got embarrassed two times. putin openly mocking him and we will tell you what just happened with china. 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>> i do. >> juan: putin responding by a challenging biden to a "live debate." the president's "quite busy." sandra, this whole idea of a biden-putin debate, i'm struck by this because what are they going to debate? it sounds like putin got his cage rattled here. >> sandra: i guess that's one way to look at it, juan. i guess i could kind of turn that around now, do you think it's healthy to see this happening on the world stage so early in biden's presidency? i was talking to mike pompeo on our show yesterday, he looked at the exchange after we played it, "it takes one to no one," and putin wishing him good health, he said it all seemed a little bit childish to him so i think it's interesting to see this happening months into joe biden's presidency when foreign policy is supposed to be his strongest suit. pompeo's point is focus on america first, we saw that under the last presidency, he did give him props however, almost conceding for the killer remark and agreeing to that. he said that's basically point to that. as far as meeting with those officials, foreign policy is going to have to be joe biden's strength, he's going to be held to that, juan. >> juan: jesse, we had intelligence reports this week that said that putin tried to get trump reelected end of the biden, looks like he made the wrong bet i will have a rough four years. >> jesse: i don't care that biden called him a killer and they yank to their ambassador. putin is always getting upset about something. i care what biden does, if he blocks the pipeline deal between europe and russia like trump blocked it that's all i care about. he's had a rough 24 hours, you have to admit that, russia, china, mexico, the stairs. that video is everywhere, him looking like, i'm not going to say it, it's everywhere, it's like the guy throwing the shoe at w except w looked agile. i understand ford fell down the stairs and got mocked for it. he was a great athlete. that was something he couldn't really live down. at least he didn't throw up on the japanese like bush 41. we will given that, this meeting they had with the chinese, they are coming to our soil and talking trash and we let the cameras and, why do we do that? why do we do that? at least donald trump whatever the dignity and their respect and respect and behind the scenes bring in the killers on trade and turn the screws to the chinese, that's how you play it. china is a paper tiger, we hold all the cards. if we want an oil embargo we can do it, if we want to sanction their guys we could make these guys fall apart in 24 hours. china knows the donors want to go back to normal and make a killing off all that slave labor and the mainland so they are going to throw it in our face, black lives matter, meanwhile, china is a killing machine, tens of millions of their own people in the last century. i'm not even talking about forced abortions so they have no right to come over there and talk trash. i think we hold all the cards. >> juan: getting right away jesse has talked about, that china conflict is getting hotter and hotter, looks to me like the u.s. is going to have to increase military preparation both in cyberspace and maybe even in outer space, were going to have to say something about taiwan, hong kong, africa, latin america, is the u.s. public really ready for a 20 a 21st century cold war with china? >> greg: i don't know but i do think that the president needs to take some steps to deal with china but i don't think he can take steps. >> sandra: uh-oh. >> greg: i don't blame what china did for one minute, all they did was use the talking points of our media and media and the democrats against them. how dare we lecture china when we slaughter thousands of blacks every year. that grossly inaccurate statistic is out there. when brave journalists actually look at the statistics they find in terms of unarmed black men that are killed in custody under a variety of circumstances it's about two dozen, right? but because of deliberate profit-seeking networks like cnn we have were up to the view of americans about what's going on and china exploited it so we just got schooled on morality by a country that uses slave labor and imprisons people based on religious beliefs and they did it by exploiting the dishonest narrative that networks used to turn a profit and speaking of warped views, "the new york times" today reports 79% decline in new covid cases since january. so that's not leveling off. >> juan: is leveling off over the last couple weeks. anyway, back to you kayleigh grade what would winning against china look like? the u.s. and chinese economies are so intertwined, bonds, investments, trade, what do you think? what's the prospect? >> kayleigh: it's a great question and i think winning used to be a massive trade deal like what president trump did with china, winning now is entirely different after the pandemic unleashed by china which by the way was not addressed during that encounter and one thing that is incredible to me, to jesse and gregg's point, not only were we lectured by china but you had the secretary of state say in front of china "america is not perfect. we have mistakes." why are you saying that to a bully sitting in front of you as they by the way, denied committing, the forced abortions, forced sterilization's, they deny but in the biden administration we will apologize for america on the world stage. by the way let's also not forget north korea threatened us this week, too also quite a week in the world of foreign policy for joe biden. >> juan: thanks, kayleigh new claims of canceled culture after the editor of "teen vogue" gets forced out before she even started her job. the firing was over tweets from when she was a teenager. that's next for you on "the five." ♪ ♪ financing the home of your dreams doesn't require going to different lenders. sofi is a one-stop-shop for your finances- designed to work better together. get a home loan or home refi or fund home improvements with a personal loan. all in one place. that's better together. and get lower rates on personal loans when you have sofi money or invest. that's better together. and that's why members choose sofi to help make their dream home a reality. ♪♪ [ "could have been me" by the struts playing ] to help make their dream home a reality. ♪ don't wanna wake up on a monday morning ♪ ♪ the thought of work's getting my skin crawling ♪ hey, mercedes? 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