They can make a package that would be acceptable, that is to the treasury secretary Steve Mnuchin and nancy pelosi. There is just one problem, whatever they come up would presumably not be acceptable to the Republican Senate or Mitch Mcconnell has said, whatever theyre contemplate something way too expensive no matter what the president says. Chad pergram with the very latest hey, chad. Reporter hey there. This is a monumental challenge. Keep in mind that House Speaker nancy pelosi and secretary of treasury Steve Mnuchin have been talking more than 90 days trying to get the next round of Coronavirus Relief done. The problem they cannot come up with the right cocktail to get something across the finish line, the right vote cocktail that has the proper number of votes in both the house and the United States senate. This is why Senate Majority leader Mitch Mcconnell has cobbled together a slim 500 bill dollar bill. It will probably be filibustered by democrats tomorrow. Keep in mind the president often serves as the chief whip in congress. If he wants to spend more than nancy pelosi that is something he indicated so far he has to get in the ear of Senate Majority leader Mitch Mcconnell. Listen. President trump we will be on board if something comes. Let me just explain, it is very simple. I want to do it even bigger than the democrats. Not every republican agrees with me but they will. Reporter the problem is that the president is losing juice with Many Senate Republicans who face difficult reelection bids this fall. Just a week ago republicans torch ad plan costing 1. 8 trillion crafted by the secretary of treasury Steve Mnuchin. When asked yesterday if Senate Republicans could support more than one trillion dollars the senate gop whip john thune said, quote, it would be hard. House Speaker Nancy Pelosi and mnuchin are set to talk again today. Pelosis office said they narrowed differences yesterday but today is the deadline to get a deal before the election. At a time where we exchanged all our differences of opinion so that we can, numbers and paper, there is be lets make a judgment. We may not like this, we may not like but lets see on balance if we can go forward. Reporter theyre scheduled to talk at 3 00 eastern time today. They talked for 53 minutes yesterday. What that means is, we probably dont know if they have a deal until after the market is closed. Neil . Neil but again, even if they have a deal there is the u. S. Senate, right . Reporter absolutely and you know i talked to some republican this morning keep saying look, chad, were for a targeted bill something more narrow, we could go higher on the spending but something that is targeted. But what is targeted to one republican senator is not necessarily targeted to the other senator. That is where you will lose democrats. You have to have democrats on board to get 60 votes. That is what you need to overcome a filibuster. As we say, neil, guess what . Its about the math. Neil yeah, there are some gaping gaps in that math. Wall street likes the deal coming together no matter the caveats that chad reigns. Keith fitzgerald is with us. Keith, ive been through this drill before. Markets get their hopes thinking a deal is to be had. I ask other braniacs like yourself, what if it doesnt come to pass, what if it is all hype, no fact . I appreciate the compliment. Im not a brainiac. I put my shoes on like everybody else does. The market clearly wants a stimulus. The right companies will benefit despite a deal no matter what it looks like. I think it falls apart. If these guys do not reach a deal. Number one will enrage americans, myself included but number two, risks complete market chaos. Neil the other argument who is hurts more, republicans or democrats . You can make argument that he is trailing whether you buy the polls or not, the president needs this certainly more than nancy pelosi. Do you buy that . You know i dont buy that i am so annoyed with the fact that washington at all, on both sides of the party needs this deal. Why is this even a political issue . This is an american issue, not blue, not red. Do i buy the president gets hurt more . No i definitely think it interferes with the reelection but does it impact his reelection . Clearly. Neil keith, a market watcher, if you dont like brainiac, i will say good market watcher, housing is looking good, retail sales have been surprisingly strong. 56 of americans feel theyre doing better than they were four years ago. The president is not benefiting. Why is that . Well you know, this is one of the great conundrums of our time. The markets dont always have a direct connection to the money. We like to think it does. That is not always true. What is happening, youre getting hope, youre getting aspiration. Youre getting all emotional inputs that drive the market. May not drive it immediately. For now it is about numbers, aspirations where do we go from here if that makes sense. Neil it does. Keith, thank you very much. Keith fitzgerald following all of that with the dow up over 203 points. People are waiting for other developments this week including the Judiciary Committee vote what will happen with judge amy barrett. She will probably get approved along party lines, maybe the next day by entire United States senate. By the end. Week she could sit as next associate justice from the Supreme Court of the United States. Theyre waiting on that. There is a little thing called the final president ial debate. Add all of that. It is slated for thursday now. They have even got some provisos including cutting mics if one or the candidate goes over time or just makes things nuts. Peter doocy following all of that in wilmington, delaware with the former Vice President hunkering down getting ready for the big debate. Peter . Reporter he is, neil. President trump is preparing for a rally in pennsylvania tonight. But the Biden Campaign told us 2 1 2 hours ago he is in for the day. No inperson events. Last time we saw the democratic nominee was here in town as he was walking out of a theater where he tape ad 60 minutes interview that wont air until sunday, he ignored a shouted question what scandal he has coming after President Trump tease adaging wall street journal story. Neither biden or anybody from the campaign has provided any sort of explanation still, after a week of emails on a laptop apparently abandoned by hunter biden at a repair here in town that appear to raise the possibility of a conflict of interest with joe biden, then vp and his sons foreign Business Partners t does appear there is a lot more to this story but so far nothing. The campaign instead looking ahead to deploying their number one surrogate who will appear on behalf of biden and kamala harris, barack obama. Just announcing 44 will headline a drivein rally in philadelphia tomorrow. The weeks biggest event will be the debate in nashville with new rules. The candidate who is not delivering their intro remarks for each topic will have the microphone turned off. The commission tells fox in a statement. The commission is determined that it is appropriate to adopt measures intended to promote ad adherence to agreed upon rules an inappropriate to make challenges to these rules. I have spoken to highranking officials over the last 12 hours or so from the Trump Campaign who say they found out about this on twitter. No heads up from the commission. Neil . Neil it could have been worse, peter, they could have used cat cattle prods. That is option they ultimately dispensed with. Just thinking. Reporter rather have mics turned off. Neil im with you on that one. Peter doocy on that. With the president wanting to pound the New York Post biden email story even if the general media has not done that, get to kelly hyman, democratic strategist and lauren a republican strategist. Begin with you, end with you then, lauren. The president has a very busy campaign aggressive schedule. Stops in pennsylvania. The latest battleground blitzkrieg while the former Vice President ising hanging low. A lot of democrats say that it is a strategy working for him. What do you say . Yeah, it is very apparent that the democrats believe that the less of joe biden the American People see the better this is because they want the election to be a referendum on trump. I do think were actually seeing that play out in the polls. The, polls are holding very steady. Theyre very tight in the midwest and in particular in some of those battleground states like you mentioned, pennsylvania, wisconsin, ohio, within the margin of error and it is really coming down to i think at this point a turnout game for both campaigns. I dont think there is going to be a lot of news or big shakeups in the next couple weeks that will change peoples minds, especially when you look how many people already voted, 27 million, even more have already registered to vote. Were expecting a lot of republicans to come out to vote on november 3rd but a lot, not a lot of undecideds. This will really come down to field operations, making sure that people actually vote with requested ballot and how many people turn up at the polls on november 3rd. Neil you know, kelly, the better the polls look for joe biden the more money he is has been able to raise. One of those rare instances where the challenger is raising more than the incouple pent president. Im wondering though this memo that was released over the weekend warning democrats that you know, lets not get ahead of our skis here, this isnt over yet. Donald trump is narrowing the gap and all, how many are looking at it that way, are worried that the former Vice President is playing it too cautiously . Well i think it is always a concern in any election until the votes are all in and the American People decide. You never know. Every poll has a margin of error. That is why it is really important for people to get out and voice their opinion and vote. So i think that is why there is always concerns that there might be some issue with the polls. Having said that biden represents what American People need right now and they need a change. People are struggling personally, professionally neil well, lot of, we hope to get the connection back with her. Lauren, let me ask you a little bit about this momentum, this incredible enthusiasm as people you know, already file ballots as you said, close to 30 million such ballots being filed. Running 10 times the rate it was four years ago at this time, 2 3 of those ballots supposedly are democratic ballots. Doesnt mean they automatically are voting for a democratic candidate but it does telegraph that so im wondering whether theres worry or panic setting in or that these votes are just displaced votes that would have been that way on election day . Theyre just materializing earlier . I think that, one, i think that there is a donald trump effect with politics where we say way more people involved than we have before we saw it. In the midterms, saw it in 2016. People who normally dont vote, vote in elections where there is donald trump. Sometimes thats for him. Sometimes thats against him but he is motivating pop culture phenomenon, right . He really has invigorated people into politics but two, i think that there is some unknowns in this election. I think it is impossible to predict what effect the coronavirus, early mailin voting all of these things are happening will have on the end results. I think that anyone who says otherwise is just lying to you. I think that we have to wait to see how this turns out. I think there are some instances where were telegraphing the early mailin voting was democrat. Like i said before we see that match with high rates of republican registration. If they turn up on november 3rd, that could have a effect the amount of early voting weve seen on the democratic side. So i really think this will be one of those elections where there is a lot of involvement, there is a lot of enthusiasm and were not going to know the results until you know, honestly probably a few days after. Neil you know, kelly, i think were good with you again. I apologize for the mike phone problem. I had no idea lauren would cut it like she did there thats a joke. Let me ask you a little bit about the up coming debate where theyre free to cut the mic of either candidate should he go over, interrupt the other. I dont know what would trigger such an action but they are in the same room so, theyre audibly present. So i can imagine them still talking even with the mic cut off. Are you worried about that . No, i mean i really dont think it is going to be a debate. Trump doesnt follow the rules. We can look at the first debate where he constantly interrupted. I think he will do that, do whatever means. He is already complaining the debate is not fair. He attacked the moderator who is woman which is very disappointing and any woman that supports trump is voting against his interests because the way he treats women and attacks women is not someone we need as our leader of our great country . Neil all right. So i didnt realize youre supporting joe biden. Again, a bad joke on my part. So lets slip around, guys, where we will be at the end of this week. We could be up to 45 million mail in ballots done already. We could be by the time election day rolls around 100 million such ballots t would be the first time there was more voting beforehand on election day itself. It will change the dynamics. Do you think right now that this stands a good likelihood, lauren of dragging on for days, some even say weeks or is it your sense that even though that is a growing consensus, that someone could put this to bed earlier than thought . I dont think so. I think we are going to see this drag on for a couple of days. Youve seen some Supreme Court rulings that say that the mailin ballots will be allowed to be counted afterwards because theyre going to allow them to come in all the way until the polls close on election days. A lot of states havent even starting counting ballots. This is concerning for me because theyre still operating under coronavirus rules. That there is going to be less workers. There is going to be a lot of chaos. These systems are not set up for this necessarily. I think there is a lot of confusion. I think it will take a couple days to sort this out. I think the American People will have to have faith in the results and in the system. Ultimately our democracy are based on fair and fry elections. Well have to trust the results. Neil all right. Thank you, ladies. Well see how it sorts with the debate. Of course the big nomination battles later on in the United States senate, Judiciary Committee first for judge amy barrett. Speaking of that battle, right now on capitol hill nothing eclipses what is going on in the Republican Party over stimulus. The house might be, you know, cobbling together differences between democrats and republicans on stimulus but the senate is going in a completely different direction no matter what the president says. Chuck grassley on what he makes of that, after this. 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I wonder what Chuck Grassley thinks of that, iowa senator, Senate Finance committee chairman, many, many others joins us now. Senator, always good to have you. Thank you for joining me. Thank you. Neil so lets talk a little bit what the president just talked about. Owe would be willing to go higher than 2. There trillion dollars. That might get people motivated in the house. Senator Mitch Mcconnell made that clear it is going nowhere in the senate. Is it . Senator mcconnell is tired of negotiation and ups downs and between pelosi and the white house. We decided we move ahead what we agree on. There is several things, whatever the white house and pelosi is talking about there are a lot of things that are already agreed to, that have bipartisan agreement. So that is what were doing in the United States senate today and tomorrow. Trying to get something rolling one of twoways, either have democrats in the senate, if they dont like what were putting down, let us get to the bill. That will take, seven, at least seven democrats votes to the bill f we get on the bill, they can change it anyway they want to. If they dont want to do it that way, we can pass what we have and get, get it to the house of representatives and then they can go to conference and we can work out the differences but we cant wait for the white house and pelosi to agree to something. We got to move because we got to get all this done by next wednesday, if were going to get it done before the election. Otherwise it carries o