Has, like many women and men of color, done very well in america through a mixture of talent, hard work and an iron determination to seize opportunity when it comes knocking. Instead of spending time obsessing about races and identity, what we should be doing is examining senator harris for what she is. Someone who could very well be the next president of the united states. In very short order. Finish and what her selection might mean for a possible biden administration. Well, the media, of course, have have already decided, surprisingly enough, that senator harris is some kind of save your come down among us. Savior. Political warrior, screamed one of the headlines on on the front page of the New York Times. Safe but energizing was another. The leaders all said that she is a, quoteunquote, pragmatic e moderate, she will reassure voters that the Democratic Party is not hostage to all those radical extremists who are supposedly peacefully protesting. But a closer look at the senators record show otherwise. The website govtrack u. S. Finds harris was the most liberal senator last year, even more so than Bernie Sanders and Elizabeth Warren x. She certainly poll you should ed her credentials with aggressive questioning of Brett Kavanaugh during his Supreme Court confirmation hearings. But shes also shown a remarkable level of ideological flexibility when shes needed to. Californias top prosecutor, she enjoyed a reputation for being tough on crime, prosecuting people for Marijuana Possession and parents whose kids were truant. It was a popular stance that won her e he reelection. But as the political winds have shifted, shes become somewhat more sympathetic to youth who find themselves in trouble with the law for rioting and committing violent crimes. Now its the apparently all systemic ray ism thats to blame. Racism. During the early stages of the democrat primary last year, she was a staunch supporter of medicare for all. But as that plank came under withering attack, harris or had something of an epiphany, and she decided it wasnt a good idea overall, and she accused biden on a louvre tv debate of being a friend of raysests in the racists in the senate and of supporting policies that wouldnt support black children like her when he was a young child. You also worked with them too oppose busing, and, you know, there was a little girl in california who was part of the second class to integrate her public schools, and she was bussed to school every day. And that little girl was me. Gerry now, mr. Biden is the partys nominee, out seems hes actually a passionate advocate of Racial Justice and has been all his life. The sulk rights struggle is civil rights struggle nothing new to joe. 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Lets welcome back the only democratic pollster to have played a key role in three successful president ial campaigns. He was Hillary Clintons chief strategist in her 2016 campaign, and hes the founder and ceo of the bicepson strategy benson strategy group. Thanks for joining me. Nice to be here. Thanks for having me. Gerry so senator Kamala Harris, the Vice President ial pick, earlier this year you told me the primary job of the Vice President ial pick was to do no harm. Does he do this . Absolutely. I think she has already demonstrate her value on today one. They set a oneday digital fundraising record. I think shes excited people on the young end of the party and excited people who have been in the party for a while. And i think the other thing i probably told you back then that the key thing in picking a Vice President is you want to double down on what your basic equities are, and thats what Kamala Harris shes a centerleft democrat. Gerry when you say shes centerleft, you know, there have been some theres been plenty of evidence that hes got a very liberal Senate Voting record. One web site that tracks these things actually said its the most liberal voting record. A couple of liberal commentators have noted she a may well be the most liberal candidate ever to be on a national ticket. What exactly is kind of moderate about her . Well, thats ridiculous. Anybody who says shes the most liberal candidate doesnt know the history of democratic politics. Weve had liberals like George Mcgovern, weve had liberals like john kerry, weve had and weve had progressives like barack obama and joe biden. They are progressives, but they are progressives who are also pragmatic. Bill clinton call mario cuomo call himself a progressive pragmatist. He lit up the Convention Hall with his cu note speech. Look, we are the party thats been standing up and fighting for social justice, for equity when it comes to Race Relations and common sense on climate. Gerry but she would you, look what happened with biden won the primary, i think most people would agree, by actually posing an alternative to those radicals of Bernie Sanders and Elizabeth Warren, some of the others, and he came through very strong lu because he was the candidate who appealed to most prague ma trusts. Pragmatists. Has led the party, you know, the unity platform with the left of the party has put, committed to some very radical measures. And, again, by picking Kamala Harris, someone who does have a very liberal voting record, someone put it this week that you normally run to the left in the primaries, to the center in the general. He seems to be running to the left in the yen. I recorrect the notion completely. If you want to know which party is radical and out of step with america, you can is can yourself what you just heard President Trump say on your network. People all over this country want us to colleague with to deal with climate change. The Republican Party right now and donald trump in particular is out of ten with where the people are. Its why joe biden right now, or and this is horrific for an incumbent president , if you look at your own poll that came out yesterday, a majority of people say joe biden has the intelligence and the compassion to be president , expect majority of people and the majority of people say donald trump doesnt. The Republican Party has made itself an outlier party in this country. They are wrong on climate change, on fair wages for working people, they are wong on common sense gun laws. It is why right now donald trump is underwater with suburban voters by over 20 points. He won suburban voters by 4 points, and if you think one party has gone to the extreme and is out of touch with america, youre barking up the wrong tree if you think its the democrats. Donald trump has turned the Republican Party into the worst of its rightwing ideology, and the party has backed him from the beginning, and they are going to pay a price for it now like they paid in the midterms. And its why youve got suburban voters turning on them in droves. Thats what happened in 2018, and its going to happen again in 2020. Gerry you dont think on things Like Health Care and on environmental policies, on issues about police and criminal justice, you dont think the Democratic Party whatever you think of what President Trump has done, you dont think the Democratic Party has moved to the left even since barack obama was president . No, i dont. Look, on health care, look at your own poll from fox news yesterday. Approval rating of obamacare is over 50 . The American People have accepted and embraced the fact that we should be giving Health Coverage to everybody. On Race Relations right now, in your own poll yesterday who would do a better job on Race Relations, owe biden, 53 biden. Donald trump, 34 . You know, i love coming on fox news. I love having these debates. But you folks gotta read your own data. You got unbelievable data that tells you right now that on every metric joe biden and the Democratic Party is in touch with where americans are on the issues of the day, and the Republican Party led by donald trump and all the foot soldiers who are following them to their shame and disgrace, following him to their shame and disgrace are in the wrong lane on where this country is and where its going. Gerry very quickly, we obviously have examined republican policies too, were actually talking about joe biden and Kamala Harris. Just quickly, joel, does this put Kamala Harris in pole position to be the next democratic nominee after joe biden . Well, look, were a long way between here and there. Hes got to win first, and then weve got President Biden and Vice PresidentKamala Harris. I dont think anybody should accept the job of Vice President thinking that theyre going to be president one day. We dont have a long history, we dont have a lot of Vice President s who step up to that, but i think shes young, shes dynamic, she represents, i believe, were going to have this disagreement, the left of center part of the party that is the dominant force in the Democratic Party right now. And, in fact, just to close on a note to remind you the last time we nominated the more liberal candidate in our primaries was George Mcgovern in 1972. I dont think the republicans could make the same claim about the last time i they nominated the most extreme rightwing idealogue because they did it just a few years ago. Gerry you could argue that barack obama was the more liberal candidate in 2008 and won the no [inaudible conversations] barack obama and hillary clinton. He didnt survive through the primaries as long as hillary did. So if youre talking about the final two, ill say he was the i would say he was the moring progressive, but they were both centerleft democrats. Gerri love to extend that conversation, but were out of time. Thank you very much indeed for joining us. Coming up, a Senate Colleague of Kamala Harris gives us her thoughts. Sale of the year on the sleep number 360 smart bed. Can it help with snoring . Ive never heard snoring. Exactly. No problem. And done save 50 on the sleep number 360 limited Edition Smart bed. Plus 0 interest for 36 months. Ends monday. My grandma. My cousin. My greatgreat grandmother. She was all of 411 but very tenacious. A very independent woman. Driven, passionate. Embodied grit, perseverance. She marched. She wrote. She demanded. 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Is she is for letting felons vote from prison. He is for the green new deal. And shes been out marching with the mob in washington d. C. She is solidly, squarely on the left, and she and joe biden are going to be the most leftist Party Nominees that the democrats have ever put forward. Gerry now, her defenders point to her record as attorney general of california where she seemed to be quite keen to be put all kinds of people in prison. He had she was renowned for a pretty tough approach. Doesnt that protect her a little bit from some of the criticism that shes a liberal . One of the things that the i think is important to look at when you look at her record is how she would make a decision for whatever was prettily expedient politically expedient at that point of time. Truant parents . Of course, she was tough on them. Hardened criminals, she would go easy on them. There are inconsistencies there. What suburban moms want to see, and i call them security moms, they are all about security for their communities, for their families, for their children to be able to go to college. And what they want to know from somebody is what are your principles, where do you stand, do i agree with you or not, and dont lie e to me. Tell me where you stand on this. And when they look at her record, what they see is this inconsistency. Gerry you serve on the Senate Judiciary committee with her and, of course, weve seen her in action there most notably in the Brett Kavanaugh hearings for the Supreme Court whats your exing pierce of her both there but also more generally on the Judiciary Committee . Well, let me say this, we recognize and congratulate her on the history that she has made for our country. And you cant take that away from her. But when you look at her participation, does she do significant legislation . No. Does she show up and ask questions . Yes. She does. 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