Beginning. Police brutality is heartbreaking reflection of an entrenched system of Racial Injustice in america. Two justice can only be achieved with full comprehensive action. Thats what we are doing today. This is a first step. There is more to come. Paul republican congressman will hurd of texas joins me now. Welcome, congressman, you wrote for us this week, im happy to say in an oped, that federal dollars to local Police Departments should be contingent on those departments meeting federal standards, what specific standards do you have any mind . Well, theres a number of standard bodies that are out there. If you look at calia, commission of accreditation agencies, made up of Law Enforcement officers that talk about certain standards when it comes to training, tactics, techniques and procedures. You also have the department of justice and every department of justice under president obama, the organization was 21st Century Policing commission. Under President Trump policing for Law Enforcement that identify what best practices are when it comes to handling certain kind of issues, whether its deescalation, how do you get into a situation and calm everybody down and how do you handle Mental Health. One out of ten stops that a Police Officer does involves someone with a Mental Health issue, and unfortunately most Police Departments across the country only have about 8 hours of training when it comes to handling Mental Health. Look at my hometown of san antonio, the San Antonio Police department does 40 hours when it comes to that kind of training. We can identify what the best practices are. We know what they are. We use an organization like calia and say, hey, if you dont want to follow those, you dont have to but if you want the 1 billion in department of justice grants, you should be following those kinds of paul you know, thats an awfully specific set of recommendations and of course, Law Enforcement has traditionally been a local function. Do you have any concern at all about the federal government coming in and micro managing Police Departments around the country . Congressman no, ultimately if you want access to federal dollars there should be some things, some basic benchmarks that you should be hitting and the level of specificity when it comes to how you should deescalate a situation, the folks that are riding the chapter are Law Enforcement officers. These are real professionals that are trying to tell folks how to do things. Thats just thats just one step and, look, defunding the police, this movement is crazy, because, you know, who is going to answer the millions of calls every day when you dial 911 and defunding the police is ultimately what we are seeing happening in seattle is one of those manifestations but we should be improving ticking and tactics and we should be making sure that wherever you live when the police comes they are using the labels and best techniques, and if we can drive and incentivize that behavior, then we should. Paul one of the things you mentioned in your oped is doing away with qualified immunity, immunity from civil lawsuits for police. We talk today ray kelly, former new York Police Commissioner this week and he said, look, i dont like that and the reason i dont like that is because what it does it sends a message to police, dont take any risks and, of course, there are a lot of risks because you know in Law Enforcement they are going the back off and thats going to mean they will do a lot less just regular policing. Whats your response to that . Congressman well, my suggestion we refine qualified immunity, right, can you restrict it to certain cases and maybe when there is Excessive Force or deadly force is used and maybe that has a different different take, but i spent almost a decade as undercover officer in the cia, i served along many folks in Law Enforcement, during my time in congress i learned about best practices and what members of Law Enforcement have to go through and understand difficulty of the job, and we dont want to cool anybody when it comes time when theres a dangerous situation but we also want to make sure that when they are going into the dangerous situation they are trained for that. I know exactly what that is. Ive been in tough situations myself but because of the training, experience that i had, i was prepared for those situations, so lets make sure we put our our men and women in blue in that case to be able to not go outside those lines but we also have to remember that the couple of bad cops, we dont want them ruining the entire reputations of all the other Police Departments and thats one thing every police chief knows who the bad cops are and most important thing to get rid of them and thats something that we can help with. Paul on that point you did mention the idea, the Police Unions, particularly collective bargaining which you know collective bargaining contracts with local governments often protect officers from discipline, you know, 3 or 4 levels of review. Would you be in favor of of doing something at the federal level for, you know, Police Collective Bargaining . Congressman well, the way you explained, paul, the city negotiates with the Police Unions and we can say that, look, if theres certain kinds of federal dollars youre looking for, this this is the kf arrangement that is we want to see. Im sure you have interviewed Police Chiefs and the Police Chiefs all say they know who the bad cops are and they have a difficult time getting them off the force. 46 of the time when a police chief tries to fire someone they get put back on into the force and those other cases they go to other places, and so i dont the good cops dont they know who the bad cops are too, they dont want to serve with them and so theres a number of options on how in the federal level we can try to incentivize this type of behavior, but i believe thats one way that we can ensure that another black man doesnt die in Police Custody and make sure that the folks that are on the streets are people that we can trust and protect and serve. Paul all right, thank you, congressman hurd, appreciate you being here. When we come back as some on the left embrace the call to defund police, pollster doug c c c c incomparable design makes it beautiful. State of the Art Technology makes it brilliant. The lexus nx experience the crossover in its most visionary form. Experience amazing at your lexus dealer. There are times when our need to connect really matters. To keep customers and employees in the know. Comcast busine powered by the nations largest gigspeed network. To help give you the speed, reliability, and security you need. Tools to manage your business from any device, anywhere. And a team of experts here for you 24 7. Weve always believed in the power of working together. Thats why, when every connection counts. You can count on us. I dont support defunding the police. I support conditioning federal aid to police based on whether or not they meet certain basic standards of decency and honorableness and are able to demonstrate they can protect the community and everybody in the community. Paul 2020 democratic president ial nominee joe biden this week saying he does not support efforts to defund the police, growing call from some on the left in the wake of George Floyds death. My next guest says that rhetoric plays into the hands of President Trump and only increases his chances of winning the election in november. Democratic pollster doug served as adviser to Mike Bloombergs president ial campaign. Doug, welcome back to the show, good to see you. How do you think joe biden is handling this the new racial tensions and the attacks on police from parts of his partys left . Doug with some degree of difficulty and hes trying to balance to defund the Police Movement which is very, very toxic and very, very unpopular and those on the left who require substantial and substantive reform. So hes been trying to thread a needle between opposing defunding but yet recognizing that there has been abuses in the Police Department that require reform and assistance to get things back where they should be. Paul what kind of policy con decisions does he have to make do you think to the left wing because a lot of democrats think that biden has not yet consolidated his own party and distinct lack of enthusiasm on the left for his candidacy, what does he have to do on the policing front to to get their support . Doug first he has to acknowledge that there are real problems as i think he did this week but he has to also propose specific reforms that will improve community policing, make police more responsive and work to systemically and directly make policing and police more responsive to the communities they are supposed to serve. Paul okay, so the polling, though, suggests that President Trump after in the midst of the protests has seen significant drop in approval rating, gallup has had him fall 10 points in a month and some democrats who say, you know, joe biden doesnt need to do anything, you put him in the basement and keep him there in november, i think terry mccullough, has said. Number 1, why do you think the president has fallen and is that right, biden needs to show up in november and win . Doug i think the president has fallen because there are images every night of polarization, division and protests on the streets with some degree of violence and trump is blamed, but we have got a long way to go until the election and i think joe biden has to be much more positive and proactive with his agenda if hes going to succeed and i think come election day the president will take advantage of what appears to be a mostly improving stock market and economy and i think that if we are past the protests or protest remain peaceful, theyll be a lot less of a problem for the incumbent president than they appear to be now. Paul okay, so you think that these this poll snapshot now is actually where the president is down is actually distorted sense of what we are likely to see by the november and the president is likely to make a comeback, is that what youre saying . It is what im saying. For people that have deflected are independents and weak republicans, i think theyll come back. Theres an Enthusiasm Gap that the president benefits from. There were more voters for the president than for biden or sanders in the georgia primary this week, so i believe that this is going to be a very tight election. I believe that vice President Biden is ahead to be sure but i dont believe anywhere the 14point cnn said, maybe 5 or 6 points tops and that involves a degree of defection from the president s base that i think will return to him. Paul well, 5 or 6 points at this stage for incumbent is still pretty far back. Thats thats territory that very few incumbents do come back from . Doug i remember in 1976 gerald ford came back from an bigger margin to give jimmy carter a close race and i think if you just give the president a couple of points for enthusiasm, a couple of points for republicans and independents coming back, we are then in a 34point race which is about where the hillary race ended up in 2016 polls, so the president can win a popular or suffer a popular vote defeat and win the Electoral College and the swing states at least in my reckoning appear to be closer than the overall popular vote. Paul its happened before, thank you, doug sean, appreciate you coming in. Thank you. Paul when we come back, President Trump outline Massmutual Healthbridge is a free Life Insurance program just for healthcare workers fighting covid19. Learn more at massmutual. Com healthbridge i come face to face with a lot of behinds. So i know theres a big need for gasx maximum strength. It works fast. Relieving pressure, bloating, and discomfort before you know it. 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Com mobile. In recent days there have been vigorous discussion about how to ensure fairness, equality and justice for all of our people. Unfortunately theres some trying to stoke division and to push an extreme agenda which we wont go for that will produce only more poverty, more crime, more suffering. This includes radical efforts to defund, dismantle and disband the police. Paul President Trump thursday at round table with Community Leaders in dallas addressing the protests that have erupted in cities across the country in the wake of George Floyds death and rejecting calls from the left to defund police. The president outlining his administrations plans to invest more in police training, address healthcare disparities in minority communities and increase access to capital for minorityowned small businesses. He also called on congress to enact School Choice legislation. Lets bring in our panel, wall street journal columnist and deputy editor, Dan Henninger and columnist kim strassel and Mary Anastasia ogrady. Kim, the president has taken a little bit of a hit in the polls since the unrest and the racial tensions. How do you judge his performance kim jong un well, look, up until the round table you saw one of the problems is that, i mean, the president had essential said the right things when it came to george floyd pointing out that this was that Everyone Needs to take a deep breath and have discussion. It has been overshadowed by tweets yelling law and order, law and order and i think what you saw in dallas was an attempt for a more nuance discussion to address some of those concerns. Now, they are not the way that democrats are approaching them which is simply defund the police, but i think its a smart approach, talking about economic opportunity, educational opportunity, the need to not drive religion out of the public square, for instance, you know, so trying to set the new terms of this debate and have a conversation. Paul mary, one of the things about the president is, of course, hes combative, right, he goes back at his critics and fights hard and in certain kind of environment that works, politically, clearly its worked for him, but when you get to the point of racial tensions and hostilities and unrest in the streets, americans dont like that. They want a president who tries to calm the waters, not royal them. You agree with that . I completely agree with kim, on thursday he did talk about things beyond the broader ways to get at this problem but one of the most important things when youre trying to reach reconciliation and theres uproar like this is to validate the concern of people on the other side and i think, you know, listening to congressman hurd, listening to senator tim scott, the president could go a very long way in both in reconciliation and in being seen as a leader if he would lead with some of those acknowledgments of the problems with policing. Those are problems that are occurring in cities run by democrats for a very long time, so this is not a Party Response where he has to become offensive. You know, theres plenty of room for agreement on improving policing in this country and you can do that and come out as a leader as opposed to sort of like you say a combative partisan. Paul you know, dan, maybe law and order theme which worked many decades ago for Richard Nixon and periodically for politicians on the right of democrats and republicans may not be as potent now in the wake of these protests, what do you think . Daniel im not so sure about that. It depends on how things go over the next 4 months. The protestors say they will continue to protest throughout the summer. What is going on in seattle with the seattle autonomous area reminds me a lot of the Occupying Movement of several years ago. If Something Like seattle starts springing up in cities across the country, simply in violation of local civil order, i think theres a tipping point, paul, beyond which voters begin to wonder whats going on. It happened in new york city in the 1980s and 1990s when the city was disintegrating and the people in new york, democrats, almost all, elected a republican Rudy Giuliani and if this this movement begins to assert itself without letup and is on Television Every Night as it is, ting law and order issue could could emerge. Now i think the president has to address that in an intelligent way because law and order does hurt minority black americans neighborhoods much more so than it does say the suburbs and Something Like that town hall, round table he did in dallas, hes pretty good at that sort of thing and he should do more of those conversations with black leaders and average black americans who i frankly think their voices are not being heard at the moment in most of the media. Paul kim, the president for the first time in round table sort of listed some positive ideas that he was supporting and that do you think is this a white house plan to start making this case again and again and again so that people actually hear it and it registers as opposed to the den of his tweets which we all know get most of the Media Attention . Kim it is and this is the plan and one of the reasons you can tell that because one of the best speakers along side the president there was attorney general bill barr who was eloquent in laying out a lot of the bigger problems that the country has led to this racial tension. Also putting in Historical Context and pointing out that we have made progress over the 5 years since Civil Rights Era but theres a lot yet to go and i think and ben carson was there. Some made the point to the president that this is an opportunity for republicans to really show case and talk about some of their priorities, things like School Choice and put them out there as a way to heal things rather than the divisive measures that so Many Democrats have portrayed them as and, you know, make some inroads by the way in minority communities which is what republicans need to do anyway. Paul we have more with the panel as shutdowns end and we will talk to kevin about the state and American Economy and concern of second wave of concern of second wave of coronavirus the new house is amazing. So much character. Original crown molding, walk in closets. We do have a ratt problem. Round and round with love well find a way, just give it time. At least geico makes bundling our home and Car Insurance easy. It does help us save. Round and round with love well find a way, just give it time. Round and round what comes around, goes around. For bundling made easy, go to geico. 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Enjoyed before the coronavirus pandemic even as states begin to emerge from their shutdowns and the economy reopens, powell predicting that millions of americans will remain on the jobless roles and that the road to recovery would be long. White house economic adviser kevin joins me now. Thank you for coming on. Chairman powell was pretty pessimistic this week and the markets didnt like it. Was he did he overstate things . Right, well, i think that what anybody who sort of speaks with Great Authority about what the economy is look like nine months from now or 12 months from now is overstating things. I dont think that jay necessarily did that but the fact is that even just now with last fridays jobs report was about population of michigan. The biggest shock and most quickest response ever and i dont think we know where its going to end up, but the fact that unemployment is in the 13s as oppose to 20 and payroll with 2 and a half million jobs shocked everybody, suggested that june will be an even better month and the cbo thinks we are going to have about the fasters growth rate in American History in the Third Quarter and the jobs numbers suggest that is that trajectory is really possible. Let me add, though, that theres one thing thats limiting factor and thats the blue states have basically many of them just stayed shut often for reasons that are not explainable by disease, so, for example, vermont has mostly got a shut economy, they are one of the most shut economies in the country and the fewest cases per capita of any state and for political reasons are places that are staying close maybe because they dont like the capitalist system or whatever and if those places dont open up theres a limit to how good it could get. The difference between red state and blue state growth right now is the big picture story. Paul here is the story you hear red states, texas, florida, arizona, theyre now seeing a surge of Coronavirus Infections, second wave socalled and that maybe wasnt so wise to reopen and thats the argument you will get, cuomo said it explicitly this week the governor of new york, is he wrong about that . Yeah, for sure, one of the things we studied very carefully in the white house. We look at the correlation between opening up and covid cases and there are some places where covid cases are taking off right now, arizona and South Carolina are the two places that most concern our health professionals, but those are not necessarily the places that are the most open up or had most cases in the past, so there are embers that the president said that were aggressively seek to go put out that a lot of our resources are being deployed at the places when we find the embers and the other thing is treatments are getting a lot better as well so the case fatality rate is dropping. I think the bottom line is that to open up safely you need a lot of testing. We had no tests really in december and january, now we are doing half a million a day. I think Something Like 6 of americans have been tested, and so people are finding ways to safely open up and theres definitely not a correlation between Economic Activity and where the location of the embers. Paul thats encouraging to hear. Now if your pointer is right and cbo is right about rapid thirdquarter growth, as you know, a lot of the unemployment enhanced benefits expire on july 31st, nonetheless, talking about phase 4, another spending bill, if the economy is coming back so fast, why do we need another big spending bill when weve already appropriated Something Like 2. 7 trillion . Kevin well, you called it a big spending bill and i dont think thats what the president has in mind. I think what the president told us to do watch data carefully and report to him with realtime indicators and as we get to july we will look at what the underground situation looks like and one thing the president is adamant about is look at sectors that are being hardest hit and targeted measures to help them. For example, returning deductibility of expenses at restaurants, businesses to try to help the restaurants which are doing poorly, maybe tax credit for travel because, you know, like the worst hit economy right now in the country is hawaii because no one can fly to hawaii and its basically a travelbased economy. Targeted measures, you know, liability reforms so that every restaurant that opens doesnt have to get sued if they get covid, those are things that are high priority for us, if the economy is way faster than expected, that affects what the president thinks should go in the bill. Paul one of the controversies will be over enhanced unemployment insurance, 600 a week that was in the cares act, one of the earlier bills and that has a lot of evidence emerging that thats a barrier now to people returning to work because they make more money by not working in many states. So, i mean, are you guys going to make that are you going to make mistake of extending that again and giving people incentive not to work . Kevin its something that we are studying very closely and i can assure you that it will not be the position of the white house, but we will consider measures that maybe help people get back to work, perhaps a back to work bonus for people who come off rolls and we look forward to working with congress to come up with a solution and the president has no desire to continue the system where in some industries 80 of workers make more money not working than working and thats not way it will continue past july. Paul thank you for being here. 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The white house and lawmakers on both sides of the aisle are eyeing additional aid to businesses and workers but just how necessary is another round of spending . We are back with Dan Henninger, kim strassel, and mariana stacy ogrady. Mary, seems Financial Markets have been recovering quite a bit, where do you think the economy stands . Mary i think the move in the stock market, you mentioned fears of coronavirus coming back and theres also fomo, fear of missing out and before it started we had a healthy economy, very low unemployment and that meant we had a very confident consumer class and i think that the the narrative that says we are going higher is all about the fact that if, you know, the either we get a vaccine or we just return to normal and we have a fed which is pumping huge amounts of credit into the economy, you know, people think that that its a pretty rosy picture and i will add one more thing which is that theres nowhere else to get yield, you have to go to equities if you are going to get any kind of return because you cant leave your money sitting in fixed income. All of the things are driving the stock market, the other narrative, of course, is that we will see more bankruptcies, that means banks while i dont think they will go under, they will have less capital because of the capital requirements, they will have less to lend, so in that scenario, its twoyear crawling out of this hole and thats the struggling going on between the narratives. Paul dan, the white house seems to think that that on the wasnt hand they say the economy will have a nice sharp comeback in the third and fourth quarters, on the other hand, okay, we will cut a deal with nancy pelosi for spending a lot more money. Weve already spent, i dont know, not spent it all but we have appropriated 1. 7 million and the fire power that hasnt been used. Do we need a phase 4 if we are going if the economy is recovering . Daniel well, i think there are two ideas at work here in contradiction with one another, these injections of funding into the economy that we have gone through were done while the economy was, in fact, locked down under federal government and state governments. That was a really unique situation. Now they are opening and the economy is beginning to restart again and the question is whether Public Policy is going to incentivize that private Economic Activity or going to pretend as i think the democrats are doing that it is not happening and continue to inject extraordinary amounts of money directly into peoples pockets. Now, if the recovery continues and if the opening continues without very serious problem with return of the coronavirus, then i think the white house and the republicans would be entitled to push back and to say, lets go slow, lets use some of the money that weve already appropriated correctly and see if the economy can recover, but on that point, there have been some surges in a few states like texas and arizona but i think we will need a lot more help than we are we are getting from the community rather than simply letting the media suggest that this quote, unquote, surge means we have to return a lockdown. There has to be a middle way that allows the economy to function while protecting the most Vulnerable People out there. Paul kim, i think the lockdowns are over essentially. There might be flairsup and make sure you can surge equipment in certain areas and watch out very carefully but i think the damage from the lockdowns is so extensive we cant really live with that anymore. The question is can the president politically live without a phase 4, can he say, look, we are doing all right without it, we dont need it . Kim well, he should be able to and i would hope he could and one of the things that Kevin Hassett wait and see until july before they make the decision and what that ought to do give the administration and the republicans the breathing room to let some more better Economic Data come to make the argument we need to see how the money we put out there already is actually fairing and, i think, too, paul from a freemarket person that worries about the size of government growth here that happened so rapidly, what we need is time for republicans as well to mull over just what they have done and hear from constituents about the need to go to balance spending with the need to get the economy open. So in my mind, the longer this goes on before theres another stimulus bill hopefully the less likelihood that theyll be another aid bill. 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Experience amazing at your lexus dealer. The xfinity voice remote will find exactly that. For, happy stuff. If the groups happy, im happy. You can even say a famous movie quote and it will know the right movie. Thatll do, donkey youre expecting prince charming . You can learn something new any time. Education. And if youre not sure what youre looking for, say. Surprise me. Just ask what can i say . To find more of what you love with the xfinity voice remote. Paul two top editors are out at major american newspapers as the cancel culture comes to the news room, editor from the New York Times and editor of the Philadelphia Inquirer both forced to resign over pieces or headlines deemed offensive by staff makers. The New York Times publishing oped by arkansas senator tom cotton advocating the use of military troops to restore public order in American Cities if the police cannot do it and philly inquirer puts buildings matter too, architecture critic in the building in that city damaged by recent violent protests. We are back with Dan Henninger, kim strassel and Mary Anastasia ogrady. Never in a million years would i imagined that newspapers would be censoring themselves and Staff Members would say, no, an editor who ran a piece that offended me needs to go. What is happening here . Daniel well, what is happening here is something that would make Founding Fathers roll in their graves. In 1789 they recognized that opinions can be intense in politics, people had to find a way to disagree, they decided we would we would mitigate that through elections periodically, but they inshrined in the First Amendment freedom of speech and freedom of the press, and the spectacle of journalists who nearly for nearly 25 years have been able to say pretty much anything they want about anyone now driving out their own editors because they disagreed with oped articles or headlines is a very low moment in the history of the press, but theres a larger implication here, paul, that everyone should be concerned with and that is the idea that certain ideas do need to be suppressed and that other ideas need to be imposed on the country mainly by coercion and intimidation. This is the kind of system that people lived in under in eastern europe, during the communist era or in china during cultural revolution and we are not autoal tarrian country by any means. A lot of the new technologies like social media are being used to intimidate and shame people and to silence and it has now reached the point where you touched the highest level of some some of the best newspapers in the country where people are being violent and driven out of their jobs. I cant emphasize that enough. Not just intense disagreement. People are running the risk of losing their livelihood if they disagree. Paul mary, you have been thinking about this for a while, you and i have talked about east germany. Theres some philosophical roots, isnt there, on the on the left . Mary well, first of all, its so important to robust press is so important to a democracy. Its one of the key institutions that keep us going, so when you start to lose that, you know, you basically lose the underpinnings of the democracy and i think that the left, the extreme left knows that and for many, many years, i mean, going back to the early 20th century, one of their objectives was to basically change the way people think in universities so that the journalists that they produce and the lawyers that they produce basically the citizens they produce for the democracy no longer believe in those core tenants of what we thought was a liberal democracy. Theyve undermined it through ideas and unfortunately the people who believe in free speech have not have been aleap at the asleep at the switch so we have a lot of work to do. Paul when i got in the business, kim, im unfortunately a lot older than you are. When i got in the business it was unfathomable, if you disagree, you disagree, lets fight, lets argue. Here in the foundation of free inquiry really what used to be the core liberal principle of the context of ideas seems to be abandoned by the very liberals who used to defend it and that leaves a lot fewer institutions willing to defend it and thats very dangerous. Kim thats what i was going to say. My biggest fear since the founding of outside organizations and institutions whether its judiciary or nonprofits that have been ferociously dedicated to protecting the right to free speech and when the very practitioners will not do so do you see patch of that and to do that not just here in the United States but around the world and in places where we need to still be passionately defending because of autocracy, so this is a very disturbing moment. Paul thank you all, where she to take one more break. When we come back hits and when we come back hits and misses of we design and engineer in america. And assemble more vehicles here than anyone else. 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Liberty. Paul time now for our hits and misses of the week. Kim, start us off. Well, this is a miss to hbo for pulling gone with the wind. We can all agree that that famous film glosses over the horrors of slavery and apparently hbo will put it back up soon with editorial context. It seemed not to have occurred to hbo in the meantime it robbed americans of rasping hate watching hattie mcdaniel. We need to learn from the stories of people like her, which is impossible to do when shes been disappeared from the screen. Paul thanks, kim. Mary. Paul, a hit for Major League Baseball commissioner rob manfred who says theres a 100 chance of big League Baseball being played this summer. I dont know if its going to happen but i applaud his optimism. Hes had the league and the players have not been able to agree on how much theyre going to get paid and how many games theyre going to pay. For him to guarantee theres going to be baseball this summer, thats the best news ive heard since march. Paul all right. Thanks, mary. Dan . Paul, its probably going to be more of these before november but im giving a miss to joe biden, mr. Biden appeared on Comedy Central this week in which he said he was convinced that the president would steal the election. Now, first he was talking about mailin ballots. Then the comedy part started when he said mr. Trump would refuse to leave office if he lost and he would have to ask the military to take him out. Folks, buy your ticket, joe biden is going to be giving tours through the fever swamps. Paul thats it for this weeks show, everybody. Thanks to my panel and to all of you for watching. Im paul gigot, hope to see you it was the year the president returned to his real estate routes. The crown met the crib and people werent chicken to fight over a sandwich. Here are the ten most exciting, outrageous, spectacular, compelling, deplorable, celebrated, significant, absurd stories of the year. Who could forget 2019 . This is going to be good. 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