Vice President Joe Biden and othe others, arguing they are moving further to the left. Is there truth in what trump is saying . Im Kristina Partsinevelos. Joining me from the panel today, jonathan hoenig, john burnett, Gary Kaltbaum and zachary carabell. Do you think the president s right or is this really just about Political Polarization . Well, the whole country has moved to the left. The democrats have moved explicitly to the left. Many of them embrace socialism now, they embrace it in their words and even their policies, whether it be wealth redistribution, government control, governmentrun health care system. These are socialist ideas. I know you are probably saying its democratic socialism or its a different type of socialism. The main fundamental is there, that your life is not your own. You are a sacrifice to the greater good. Thats just the antithesis of the american idea, individualism, your right, your liberty. The democrats are not on board with those basic ideas. We are going to keep having this debate. Its not going to be resolved. The fact is, this is exactly the reaction when medicare was proposed in 1965, it was obviously the reaction when obamacare passed in 2009. This idea if you vote for democrats or the income tax. When the income tax was introduced. Youre right. This has been going on for 100 years. Im saying this claim we are heading towards socialism even though we have these Public Benefit programs that a lot of people are for, medicare is one of the most popular of all government programs, and it was absolutely denounced by a certain group, you would have been comfortable in that at the time, as being socialistic. The idea that a vote for the democrats as the president said is a vote for the destruction of the country is such wildly over the top rhetoric. Now, it may be Effective Campaign rhetoric but it is by no means accurate. May i push back just a wee bit on that. Look, i have my little garys list on what these candidates are proposing. Hold on one second. Health care, insurance, education, energy, technology, banking, even elizabeth warren, that great capitalist, is now going after private equity. Theres no industry they are trying to control or do something about like breaking up or whathave you, and everything has a cost. The amount of taxes and the list of taxes that have been proposed would just take care of this economy and destroy it. That is not hyperbole. These people are not socialists at this point. I read 30 minutes on marx last night. They are really into marxism at this point in time. Absolutely. They want to control your finances, your wallet, all your decisions, right . So theres no end to this. Its kind of ironic that the party of choice, right, party of choice wants to take your health care away, right. So that doesnt make sense to anyone in the middle of america is not going to go for it. Why . Because they want to choose their own doctor, their own health care. They want to make sure they still hold on to the very few freedoms that are remaining. Kristina i want to quote gary just a second because you told me to hold on a second. Gary and everybody else on this panel, this is a great lesson in marketing, in campaigning. What they are doing is polarizing both sides. I do not think its black or white in saying they are going to take away everything or everythings going to cost all this. No, i think its a way to get maybe say the softer republicans out there that are a little bit unsure, knowing that heres a group of people that could undermine the capitalist society, the capitalism that america was built on, much like jonathan alludes to very often, and point them in that direction to go against them. I dont think i dont think this is a republican or democrat, i think President Trump is speaking to america. There are people on the right and left that do not want this country to go down the path of socialism so hes making a clear demarcation. The fact is, to say that they want to take away choice and control, they want to solve certain problems that we talked about before. There are issues with our health care system, there are issues with people paying too much. Obamacare needs fixing. The goal is to fix the system. The fact is, they may take away choice but the question is not how are we going to take away. Kristina one second. Jonathan, go. Everything comes back to what is the basic idea of america . Is america just whatever we can vote for . No. America is about something, its about the right of every individual, not to sacrifice for the greater good, Public Health care, and to trumps detriment, he does not advocate or represent that individualist collectivism, the health care hes proposing, thats not the antidote. Theres two ways of changing the status quo. You can be better or you can be worse. My fear is that trump, i said this before, isnt leading us towards the capitalist alternative to the democrats clear socialism. Do you think a government thats put us into 22 trillion of debt is going to solve problems . Do you think a Bernie Sanders who has lived off the taxpayer his whole life and never created a dime of wealth or a job is going to solve our problems . With more government . You got to be kidding. This is voting on a 15 minimum wage. They are now mandating to businesses what they have to pay. Businesses are going to react in a very bad way. They are talking about corporations, how much they have to pay. This is getting ridiculous. A government thats out of hand shouldnt be telling business what to do on anything at this point in time. Kristina we are going to continue with this. Bernie Sanders Campaign is slamming rival Kamala Harriss plan to pay for medicare for all and her refusal to say it will boost taxes. Listen. He just said that, that you were not in favor of a middle class tax hike. Yes. Correct. How do you propose to pay for your version of medicare for all . If it resembles what senator sanders part of it is going to have to be about wall street paying more. Its going to have to be about looking at how we and what we tax in terms of financial services. Thats part of it. But the other part of it is to understand that this is about an investment. Without unicorns, magic wands, health care is not free. Theres doctors, nurses that have to be paid. Theres hospitals. You have to pay for it. I do not believe you can have health care in america for everybody without paying for it. Kristina what do you make of that, the fact that i guess the big question is how are we going to pay for it . What do you make of her response . Bernie sanders is clearly saying you know what, why am i the only one at this party, right . No one else wants to step forward and actually admit that we are going to raise your taxes. He doesnt want to be the only person in the primary. Look, the thing is we have to be honest with the American People. Just taxing the rich is not going to bring about this 50 billion gap over the next ten years. Hes saying look, lets step forward, lets be honest with the American People and really tell them whats downicoming doe pike. You want better care, youll have to pay for it. Can i just Say Something . Theyre talking about taxing Financial Transactions on wall street. Thats not taxing wall street. Thats taxing aunt mary and uncle bob on their trades. This is from the poor, the middle class, anybody, they are going after everybody to pay for their controlling all of the economy. It is absolutely illogical and insane. As soon as we get to really go through this in a finetooth comb we will be a lot better off. Kristina i have to stop it there. We have to get back to the breaking news we mentioned at the top of the hour. Shares of microsoft right now, you are seeing it, up about 1. 80. This comes after a strong Fourth Quarter result and for all the details, lets actually head straight to gerri willis on the floor of the new york stock exchange. What do we need to know about microsoft . Gerri hey, thats right. Reporting after the close, a big quarter beating on both the top and bottom line. Lets take a look at the numbers. 1. 37 against estimates of 121, 33. 7 billion, higher than anticipated. You see the numbers right here. The big story, cloud revenue, up 39 . This is the big kahuna for them, their azure business. Cloud revenue responsible for a third of sales. This is what pushed revenue higher and has made the company have such great performance. Gaming revenue for the company up 10 , linkedin revenue up 25 . They returned 7. 7 billion to shareholders in Share Repurchases and dividends, and finally, quarterly, windows sales up 9 . This is important, because we had trouble with intels inputs into pcs, their chips were not coming in as expected. That problem has been solved so you saw a gain there. Also notable here, now, the stock as you showed is up here after the close. It had been down all day long. Why . The president said he would ask the pentagon to reconsider a 10 billion Cloud Computing contract its thinking of awarding to either microsoft or amazon or possibly both. Companies like oracle are complaining about the awarding of this contract. So the shares were down all day on that news. But after hours, the shares soaring on good oldfashioned eps. Back to you. Kristina we saw that like you said, up 39 . Thank you, gerri willis. The acting department of Homeland Security secretary clashing with democrat lawmakers on the hill today as he testified about conditions at the border. 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You dont think that having 10,000 officers in a violent, racist Group Sharing [ inaudible ] means a dehumanized culture . Those posts are unacceptable, they are being investigated but i dont think its fair to apply them to the entire organization or even the members of that group believed or supported those posts. Sparks flying on capitol hill as acting department of Homeland Security secretary Kevin Mcaleenan getting absolutely grilled by democratic lawmakers about what some see as unfavorable conditions, troubling conditions at the border. Hillary vaughn is on capitol hill with the big takeaway. Hillary . Reporter well, really, republicans and democrats both agreeing in these hearings that the conditions at the border need to be addressed, and that republicans are asking democrats for more funding to build more facilities and fix these conditions, these as secretary Kevin Mcaleenan today facing off against congresswoman alexandria ocasiocortez. She tried to tie President Trumps policy of child separation to a larger culture at cbp. Do you think that the policy of child separation could have contributed to a dehumanizing culture within cbp . We do not have a dehumanizing culture at cbp. Reporter secretary mcaleenan also wanted more money, but in addition to that, he really wants congress to fix the border agreement that prevents Law Enforcement from detaining children for more than 20 years, saying this has triggered a surge at the border because people crossing the border with kids know that they cannot be held longer than 20 days. Thats not enough time to see a judge so they know they will be released. Congresswoman Rashida Tlaib had this exchange with the secretary. You want to keep them longer. Its been very clear from this administration you want to keep kids longer. We want to keep Families Together through an immigration proceeding. By keeping kids longer. Reporter congressman mark meadows saying in the hearing today he wants to push for funding within the next week, definitely before they leave for august recess. Well see if they can get that done. Thanks, hillary. Lets bring in congressman ro khanna. Thank you for being with us. You are obviously a member of the House Oversight committee. You were witness to and participated in some of these tremendous fireworks today on capitol hill. Is there any progress being made about this issue at the border, or was this all just political theater . I think we can make progress. Here are two things we could do. We could reinstitute incountry processing. Have folks apply for asylum in guatemala, in honduras, el salvador, before they come to the border. That was something we used to do. It was discontinued. Lets redo that. Second, lets have u. S. Aid which has been effective go to these countries so they can deal with Gang Violence and reduce violence. Thats in everyones interest. I think there are Common Sense Solutions that we can implement that would solve this issue. Congressman khanna, this is Gary Kaltbaum. The things you just said are quite reasonable, but as a spectator, we keep watching day in and day out how the republicans go after the democrats, the democrats go after republicans, and nothing gets done. It seems like were just walking on a treadmill. At what point in time are cooler heads going to prevail, get in a room and really get things moving, because this is a crisis that needs to be fixed. Gary, i share your frustration. I think probably 80 of americans share your frustration. We have to solve this issue, make sure we are reducing the amount of people who are coming to the border and have other means of having them processed. I think the solutions i offered are actually bipartisan. I have talked to other republicans. My hope is that we can tone down the rhetoric, that we can talk about being a nation thats welcoming of immigrants but that has a process, and that we work on what we need to do to get people to follow that process, whether thats more judges, whether thats having incountry processing. Lets work on a solution. Congressman, Kristina Partsinevelos here. I hear your proposals, your solution, and they do sound great but they seem more longterm. Thats what im hearing right now. Youre saying its a crisis. Gary saying its a crisis. Most of us on this panel are saying its a crisis yet im not hearing a solution to the immediate problem, the fact that children should actually be only held for maximum 72 hours, but like our reporter Hillary Vaughn mentioned, they are being held up to 20 days. What are you guys discussing in there that is going to solve it now . Well, we are talking about we just authorized a lot more funding for the department of Homeland Security and we should make sure these kids have basic humane standards, that they get tooth brushes, they get blankets, that they are treated with the dignity that any american would want people treated with, and i do think that that needs to be implemented and my hope is that every member of congress, frankly every american, would want that. Representative, its zachary carabell. Delicate question, given your position within the Democratic Caucus. For all the catnip the squad is to media on the left and right, there are 40 representatives representing what were swing districts in 2016 and they are not attracting the kind of attention, let alone the rest of the hundred plus members of the Democratic Caucus who may be less partisan or extreme in either their rhetoric or their playing off the media. How do those voices which tend to shy away from the limelight and maybe be more pragmatic and a little bit more focused on issues rather than polemics, how do those voices within the Democratic Party have more purview than they currently do, given they are totally drowned out by the margins . They dont have the president of the United States attacking them. I mean, the caucus is unified around condemning what happened last night at the rally. The challenge for them is how do they break through when theyre not sparring with the president. There are some terrific members, like abigail spanberger, haley stephens, talking about manufacturing, talking about jobs, working across the aisle, but the reality is in my view, we need to tone down the rhetoric in this country. We need to focus on doing things for the Am