Protect more moderate members, which i understood but the persistent singling out got to a point just outright disrespectful. Singling out women of color. Columnist and Deputy Editor dan henningjer, kim strassel and Editorial Board member kyle peterson, is to, kim, you devoted column to this subject is nancy pelosi he losing control of her caucus or reasserting it . Attempt the o rea certificate facing revolt since session began, and she is generally managed to keep together her members, i will give her credit for that but the risk for her here is that these four freshmen and others on very far left of the progressive wing are threatening to make it harder for hour to keep her people together, and begin having problem that john boehner had or paul ryan had in terms of actually governing getting votes across the line this was attempt to say knock it off you need to step back, we will see how she comes out of it. Paul kim, she singled out four people, and they call themselves the squad. And the more rad kale members is caucus are these dissenters large faction or just four . He well, there is a larger group of people sharing sentiment what nancy pelosi managed to do the keep even most progressives on her page of believing look weve got to govern more moderately we need backs of moderates she brought them along on votes what these handful or maybe a dozen members are doing, is encouraging more of the progressive members to step away from that that pragmatic view worried could get out of control. I think this is very smart, pelosis part making it letting it become public is very smart strategy for this reason, i think, the way press played out ocasiocortez other new members they have begun to define who this Democratic House of representatives is. And pelosi knows, that that is not why they won house they won house in swing districts, and she needs to to aassert a different public appearance for the caucus. Right she has eyes on 2020 one of the things reportedly told her caucus was a majority is a fragile thing so wants to remind members that retweets are not reality they have to keep an eye on the ball are the ma of the reason i think this works is that people who have been in congress for more than a few years know her and terrorist her nancy pelosi is no shy blue dog moderate she was a Founding Member of the progressive caucus in 90s. Not conservative. Right, in spring of 2010, when the obamacare legislative process was looking shaky there was some thought within the Obama White House that they would he parrot down maybe a skinny bill she said no, were not going incremental legacy not kiddy care people team there trust her know she is on their side. Aoc doesnt face reelection threat alexandria ocasiocortez, she cant be primary from left wouldnt succeed the other seats are vulnerable. Except that now alexandria ocasiocortez she maybe just a congresswoman from queens but become a nationalfying four million twitter follow snooerz yes, she knows a National Figure her politics public politics of being on Television Politics of social media, instagram, that is the way she performs. She is going to continue to do that i think the short term question is a longterm question really pelosi talking about elections going to be held next year, right, in november. And we get wrapped up in these things daytoday the question is whether alexandria ocasiocortez can sustain this performance in really is a performance, all the way through to that point or whether she will become isolated by the other members of the house including some progressive members who decide that pelosi is right not in their interests to continue to push the edge of the envelope the way ocasiocortez does in public. How does this compare to john boehner paul rien with Freedom Caucus i guess would i assert she is pelosi doing a better job of corralling her progressives than they did as Freedom Caucus not because those guys were failing just because democrats have a better understanding of power. They know how to cues them dont wont to lose it, for republicans just really want to play outside game. Yes, so far she is doing a better job now she has a couple of advantages the bloc tea party came in oft 2010 election big enough that they had ability to block john boehner the more moderate center of the party any time they wanted it. As i said willing to do that just to make a point. So what she has is just she doesnt really have that scenario. And she also has a lot of members as you say who want to keep the house, and stay in power like holding gavels i think the problem even when warnings to aoc this crew of people is not going away, and it is going to continue getting in the way of her sending a message of a reasonable governing party i think the problem she has, is the definition of who represents the party is the fact that they dont have a record right now passed essentially nothing on bipartisan basis because they the left blocks it and anything that they really left wing politics cant get through senate they have got nothing should show for winning the house. Right that is part of the difficulty that nancy pelosi faces, and part of the reason, that the hard line progressives are so interested in starting impeachment proceedings going after members of the white house, the Trump Administration, but i think part of her goal is to prevent that group of four members from growing into 40 what Freedom Caucus has seems trying to isolate them it may work. Thank you all when we come back, embattled labor secretary acosta resigns in criticism of his handling of the Jeffrey Epstein case. The political and legal the political and legal fallout what might seem like a small cough can be a big bad problem for your grandchildren. Babies too young to be vaccinated against whooping cough are the most at risk for severe illness. Help prevent this talk to your doctor or pharmacist today about getting vaccinated against whooping cough. Talk to your doctor or pharmacist today i had a few good tricks to help hide my bladder leak pad. Like the old tunic tug. But always discreet is less bulky. And it really protects. cause it turns liquid to gel. So i have nothing to hide. Always discreet. Paul labor secretary of state alex, acosta resigned friday with President Trump announcing that he will leave his post next week following criticism of his handling of a plea detail with wealth financeer Jeffrey Epstein accused of sexual abusing dozens underage girls acosta was u. S. Attorney in miami oversaw 2008 nonprosecution agreement with ep sign avoided federal charges served only 13 months in jaim Dan Henninger kim strassel Allysia Finley editorial page writer kate odell, was it the right drinks. I dont think secretary acosta had much to say in the decision to step down. Basically, he went over the side, they forced him out. Trump said it was his decision saying is that a that sort of cover. I would say is a sort of cover the question is, shall we say between now and reelection they are in total reelection mode, how many more alex acost as are going to choose to step down, because make no mistake, the democrats the left and i would include press here liberal press has seen if they can go after somebody like this raise enough of a stink especially since this involves sexual abuse the white house will break. Look what has been happening to bill barr bill barr a very strong personality, attorney general he has been under Relentless Assault since he became attorney general. And that is kind of the way this game is going to be played looks like game of thessalonia ga game of thrones in washington. O look, there hasnt been any new information that has come out since 2008 when the federal government or u. S. Attorneys office signed a nonprosecution agreement with Jeffrey Epstein. The left has basically tried to exploit the atmosphere a billionaire, innuendo here look he got harder he made a tougher deal than the state attorney in florida wanted to make wanted to let him off backache on one misdemeanor restitution to girls. As a swall phoneder obliged to do when moved to new york. That is right, and in florida actually interestingly, jr. , the d. A. In manhattan actually had him downgrade sex offender status. A democrat. Do you agree that this is something acosta had to do does it have negative consequences for have administration . Well, i am not sure it was something that acosta had to do i think, it was going to become such a distraction and why i am pedment story not going away accusing one of being indifferent to the plight of Sexual Assault victims among the worst claims you can make about someone, and should be done rooted in evidence. And that is in my vie not what happened here so i think, there is a real risk of allowing this kind of politics of personal destruction to run more people out of the white house, when as allysia helped explain to extent acosta was involved trying to make sure, that Jeffrey Epstein went to jail. And i think acosta acquitted himself quite well in a press conference this week, explaining his thinking behind those decisions. Go ahead. Yeah, kim. The there is an issue here in my view, that it seems even more than most administrations when some of the people in this administration are criticized, and attacked by democratsand on the left they get thrown out of office quickly, eased out you know, i mean headlines Zinke Interior Department seams like there is not a lot of tolerance for for criticism he have cabinet members. Yeah i wish it wouldnt do that for short term and long term in short term not helpful for mr. Trump, because all he is doing, is inspiring this cabal that dan referenced to continue, this behavior against every new nominee that comes in, and wage assault in a hope that they will drive them out of town and further cause up upheaval that is very disruptive for administration in long term kate said politics of personal destruction this is creating a mechanism whereby a lot of rally talented people whether on right or the left, are going to think twice about working for the federal government, and doing Public Service because they dont want that kind of a a smear attached to to them the rest of her life for having done. It give you up a lot to get into public office, private life most people were doing quite well they have to give up jobs, report everything they have ever done in life, take criticism, and then if you are not going to be in job 18 months it if democrats make an issue of something why would you join this administration . Why would you want to try to help the president for things he is trying to do make no mistake paul ultimately target of all offenses is donald trump himself. We have a long way to go to election in 2020. And eventually, this will get around to targeting donald trump will target him personally, with many of the same arguments he will have to did he have them how can he do that if acosta had been forced to resign. Allysia, the acting secretary deputy i know him a little bit i think he is certainly competent and some of the Business Community will be happy to that. That is right i think some were very unhappy with the case that of acosta deregulatory efforts allowing lawsuits against google, oracle, for discrimination to continue want o summon to take more aggressive stance. Okay. Thank you allysia. President trump saying he is not backing down in his efforts to count citizens and noncitizens living in the United States we take a closer look at the new strategy to do that when we come back. Are you a citizen of the United States of america being . Oh, gee im i cant answer that that question. And that is after spending and that is after spending billions and hey, who are you . Oh, hey jeff, im a car thief. What . im here to steal your car because, well, thats my job. What . What . . What . laughing what . . What . what . [crash] what . haha, it happens. And if youve got cutrate Car Insurance, paying for this could feel like getting robbed twice. So get allstate. And be better protected from mayhem. Like me. Say we are not backing down on our effort to determine the i citizenship status of United States population i stand before you to outline new steps my administration is taking to ensure that citizenship is counted so that we know how many citizens we have in the United States. That was President Trump thursday issuing and executive order directing federal agencies to immediately provide Commerce Department with records pertaining to number of citizens and noncitizens in the United States the administration back up its effort to include a Citizenship Question on the 20120 census following Supreme Court 54 ruling last month it failed to provide adequate justification for adding the question, george served under william barr in george h. W. Bush administration. George good to have you back thanks for coming in, the first of all, do you agree with the when president s decision Administration Decision not to proceed with question at this stage. I think it is the absolutely the smart decision to make as the president outlined in bill barr detailed yesterday paul, that this would have wound through the courts for months and months and months, at the end of the day, not gotten the issue to where it needed to be in a timely way, if the information is available through alternative sources, using those sources makes sense to me and i think most American People know that we ought to know that among the people residents in the United States, how many are citizens and how many are not. And that is the object of the game. What that means is that he attorney general said look there wasnt enough time but what that means essentially the chief justice Supreme Court decision in the case gave the impression oh, well all you need to do is make a different argument, to have the question added, he really didnt allow that, i moon he basically gave the policy victory to the liberals. Litigation victory to liberals the decision long run will support the need to ask this question, on a future census in my view. That is interesting if okay but he gave immediate policy victory to tib liberals give a a lot of legal analyze to conservatives remild me obamacare ruling. I think that is a good analysis. Paul all right. So lets talk about this the use of the other data, that he is going to ask the administration the rest of the administration to collect and put to the Commerce Department. To what uses can that be used. Well, i think that remains to be seen, and unfortunately, paul, you have a feeling when it starts to be put to use we are going to see more litigation. Paul right. But the difference, i think will be that we will be dealing with what is in essence executive authority and that litigation, in the prior litigation over the census questionnaire the president was really exercising authority legislative authority delegated to him by congress through a law. Here will be dealing with executive authority, and hopefully pretty sxreshlr expeditiously to conclusion a member to Supreme Court this is reason i realm of the president s own authority to decide what to do with data that is held by the executive branch. Paul can the data be used for states that want to when they redistrictinging after 2020 census can they use other data for redistricting as opposed to using the actual census data . Well, you are asking me to anticipate the results of what that litigation will be. I think that i think there is certainly a basis for them to do so. Whether or not at the end of the day, judges are going to allow that to happen remain to be seen, and unfortunately, paul, as you know so well, what were seeing more and more is what i think looks to the American People like politicized judicial decisions not good for the rule of law. As you read it legally i agree with you about that but lets leave it aside do you think that in the constitution or in statute, there is any obstacle for a state say cities saying you snow what . We want to base our redistricting on actual citizenship, and not on this other other the other survey that includes noncitizens would they be able to make that argument legally in unifier view . Yes. I think they can make it whether they can sustain it or not, like any other legal argument, will depend on the the nature sand extent of the judicial review, and what judges eventually decide. So it is very difficult to predict with certainty what the outcome would be. Paul did i to predict with certainty my guess my exception will be that some states would try to do that so we could have sort of bifurcated redistricting process say a california controlled by nats saying we are going to use census data and other states, of florida, maybe or texas i am speculating here but those saying you know what . We want to use the the compilation of data from other agencies. I think you are right. I think that that will occur, it could in fact be bifurcated perhaps different States Holding different standards but there would be a constitutional question about equal protection that would come out, no doubt. Paul okay. So how would you proceed right now, if you were the Administration Just go ahead process the the process the the census data . And go ahead with census as planned . And then, and then see what you find out about the any one citizen population then make decisions about how you want to proceed from a pol