The songs in the case of the discipline in is something you can do, and thats clearly just make it tougher for bad people to get anywhere. That restricts the movement of everybody. But thats something i can see that can be done in a political arena. The dissolution of some of the pillars of society, that really matters. On this first day of lent. When people are dismissive of the notion that thoughts and prayers are valuable, they play a tremendous role. David one of the most of tragic picture i have seen is people going to collect their children or try to find their children and with a kroos a cross in n their forehead since today is ash wednesday. The organization that goes to schools and talks to kids about loving one another and about basic human decency. That organization has averted several School Shootings. So that makes a difference. Thoughts and prayers make a difference. David as was pointed out by the sheriff of Broward County. For people to Pay Attention of what goes on on social media websites. This guy put out stuff thats so totally unacceptable and nobody did anything about it. There are warning signs often associated with these things that we often go back and relitigate what happened . The fact that he wasnt allowed to carry a backpack on campus when he was on campus. These things need to get resolved before we get to a national gun law level. David we need a stronger sense of community in this country for people to get together. Everybody is so insular right now. Part of that is because of all the devices we have. The Electronic Devices that allow people not to communicate with one another. If we had had more of that or if people had been more aware. Perhaps this guy would have been targeted long ago. Thats so right. Thats so important, that sense of community. We are seeing it play out in florida where one reporter noted as the shooting was happening and was still active. There were prayer circles forming outside. Groups of people coming together and putting their arms around one another and praying for those kids. That makes a difference in averting these sorts of things. David good to see you both. Im david asman in for lou dobbs tonight. 17 people shot to death today and others wounded at harming are youve stoneman high school. Nicholas cruz had been expelled from the school. He used an ar15 rifle and multiple magazines. He used several social media accounts that sheriff described as very, very disturbing. Joining me, bernard kerik, former new york police commissioner. The city of new york is a place where people fought for thought for decade that the crime situation would get worse every year until Rudy Giuliani came to town and you worked together to crack down on crime like it had never been cracked down on before. We went from 2,200 murder a year. Now its less than 400. Its just over 350. David can you make any analogy between what you guys did in new york and what need to be common the schools . The big focus is intelligence. You talk about social media, phones, things that keep people separated almost, but also there is an enormous amount of intelligence there. As this thing goes on today we learned all this stuff this guy was talking about online, weapons, knife, bombs, the syrian resistance. I have two dmairts high school, a senior and sophomore. If they were sitting around my kitchen look at an Instagram Post by a maniac like this, i m going to call the authorities, ill call the school, i will be concerned. We live in a society where Political Correctness is at the top of the heat and people are scared to death to make the wrong call. Im confident there are parents out there that heard their kid talking about this that feel they should have said something. Everybodiened the sun at this point everybody knew. Everybody, the kid, the school, everybody knew. In that case, what was he doing with the weapons. David bobby, there is so much propaganda about what bernie was saying. If you see something, Say Something. We are told constantly in new york, economy and los angeles. And im sure in miami and Broward County the same kind of thing. Why isnt it working . We dont have the process set up yet. My broirt and father were both nypd detectivists. In their day when they came across a mentally disturbed person, they could put them into bellview for a 72hour period. Kid who are a known threat, they need a system in place to work with Law Enforcement. If they cross a line like this kid clearly did. They could be put into the Mental Health system and juvenile system while they are evaluated by the Mental Health system. David the first group to come down on that would be the aclu and they would probably prevent that from happening. We have to fight that fight. We have to make sure if they get up there teary eyed and say why is this happening. We have things to put in place. I think we do it already with certain people in our society. Severely mentally ill on the street to be taken off for a certain amount of time and be evaluated. We need to put kid like this who are clearly disturbed. Law enforcement didnt have the structure set up to deal with this kid other than just arrest him once he commits a crime. But we do it with other people in society. We need to change how we look at definition of Mental Illness. In conjunction with the juvenile justice can hold him and prevent this. David the disciplinary standard in schools is atrocious. If you do anything close to what bobby suggested, there are lawyers who will come down on you. One thing that bobby said that i think stand out. You have to fight that fight. Guess what, thats how Rudy Giuliani changed new york city. When the New York Times said it will never work, you dont have the right to do what you are doing. You cant reduce crime its too big to mac. Its too big to manage. He said first and foremost we are going to reduce crime. There is one of those issues, you have to fight that fight. David you also have the broken window theory. You stop small crimes. You dont let people, in this case student, get away with the socalled small crimes. You stop the small ones and that eventually leads to the big ones stopping as well. Its about discipline and respect. I was reading a report where military complanlders see the new kid coming into the military who believe they are entitled and have having major discipline problems. Thats in the military. You have the same thing in these high schools. Lobby, do you see the same thing at the fbi . Are the recruits not as disciplined as they used to be . Sure. We saw an erosion of standard a couple decade ago with respect to whether you could admit to drug use. When i came into the fbi you couldnt have used any drugs. But now you can use cocaine. There is an erosion of standard for sure. David how do you build that back . I think this is a different situation. I think what we are talking about here are Mental Health issues. There are enough people that we see the signs beforehand. Every time we have an incident like this we go over the signs that should have been seen. Now we have to put in a structure to deal with this when we see those signs. Years ago it was an unheard of idea to restrict someones travel and restrict their activity in society if they havent been convicted of a crime. But then we saw Domestic Violence rise and we got orders of protection. A woman can get an order against annex spouse even if that spouse is not convicted yet. The school needed an order of protect so he couldnt trespass at the school. But gift police the authority to take him off the street. And get him the care that he need. Get him the attention of the Mental Health professionals that need to treat him. That structure is not in place. David when the aclu and the New York Times game came at you with all the ammunition and propaganda against what you were doing, how did you fight them . They are not without a lot of influence in this city. But you won that battle. How did you win it . A lot of it is common sense. To this issue on the guns in florida be he state has different laws for possession to carry weapons. In new york city if you had a license to carry or possess a firearm and you were all over social media. I promise you within an hour of it was brought to the polices attention those guns would be gone. The nypd would have those guns. In florida its different. Thats something that has to be looked at, too, state laws. David coming up next, teenagers in florida recounting the moror a brush with death at their own high school. It was a fully automatic. It was very, very frightening. We although it was a drill. But apparently it was an active shooter. 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There was an antagonism between obama and local Law Enforcement that led to a federalization of Law Enforcement. I think you will find a more cooperative spirit. We may be able to use that relationship to the advantage of everybody. Charlie there was a definite antagonism with the Previous Administration on a whole host of issues. One of the things donald trump doesnt get credit for. He sees his job as the countrys head cheerleader. In a situation like this where you have police and teachers and coaches risking their lives to do extraordinary thing to protect children in a horrible situation like this, its probably a good thing for the country to have somebody in the president s position acting as a cheerleader and talking about the great sacrifices people make. Its what heals us. If we dont take anything else away from a horrifying heartbreaking situation like today, my goodness, as americans we have to come together and get past whatever our differences are. David so often when a shooting would occur in the Previous Administration, you would have cheer leading or sympathy extended in the deepest terms but it wouldnt last or lead to change. I think now, you the beginnings of the mechanism for change. For cooperation between the feds and the local Law Enforcement that could lead to some change beyond just the week or two of sympathy. I would hope so. But even in a case like this. I understand after something terrible like this happens, everybody wakes up and says what can we do . I want to do something so this never happens again. Your heart breaks and you want to do something. Unfortunately a lot of people wage and they do a couple things. We have people in real legitimate leadership positions in America Today who look at a situation like this and they belittle or mock faith or they want to use Something Like this to make a political point to press a personal political agenda. That is the wrong way to proceed in a situation like this. I think it makes things worse and it aught math i can el it automatically draws the battle lines and puts people in corners against one another and we dont have the unifying we should have after Something Like this. The last time anything on this skill happened, i think it was i may be criticized. But the shooting that led to the severe injury of congressman scalise. The shooting on the baseball field. And people did seem to come together. Lets hope this is one of those occasions when we could see some of the same iewnify we saw then. I sure pray for it. David tragedy unfolding at a high school in southern florida. Good thing the door was locked. The short shot in. I was sitting by the cabinet and the bullet passed me and got girl next to me. Heartburn. No one burns on my watch try alka seltzer ultra strength heartburn relief chews. With more acidfighting power than tums chewy bites. Mmmmm. Amazing. I have heartburn. Ultra strength from alka seltzer. Enjoy the relief. David an expelled High School Student opens fire and kills 17 people. The suspected gunman known as nikolas cruz. He was expelled for disciplinary reasons. He had smoak smoke grenades. He set off the fire alarms so the kids would come pouring into the halls. He was arrested about a mile away from campus. Class are canceled at the school for the remainder of the week. Joining me is bill gavin. We are in the middle of trying to figure out what happened with spying on an american Political Campaign that was allowed by the fisa court, the question being whether its become too easy to spy on americans, particularly given the various forms of Electronic Devices we have available now that we never had before. But in this case there was ample reason to suspect an individual based on what he had in social media. There is a balance in this society between the freedom individuals have to do and say whatever they want, and then the protection of the citizenry. In one case we overdid the in one direction, and in this case we overdid it in the other. I dont know if there is a happy medium. You are on tarring wet this whole thing with the electronic atmosphere we live in. We live in a world of electronic socialization. You have been in a room with teenagers and young people with their iphones with their thumbs typing to john and john is in the same room with him. Janes sitting right next to him. Things are impersonal. If it were taken to a personal milieu, they would talk about these things. Educators, teachers, students need to go through an educational process to be able to be taught when they see something thats wrong like this, when they see somebody who is a little off kilter who talks about guns and doesnt like anybody and has made social threats. They need to be able to talk to somebody about it. But they cant talk to anybody unless its with their thumbs on a phone. And thats a shame. Are they going to wrat somebody out . They dont understand the process of being social citizens. I just dont know where its going. David they call all this stuff on the web social media. Other than the fact people send a message to another person twhribs nothing social about it. The whole idea of social interchange means you improve the communities in some way, and clearly in this case there was no attempt to use social media which this guy mad been using to put out some kind of hate. But we do not was horrendous based on what the sheriff was saying, and nobody did anything about it. How could this nap his own home. How could he come up with weapons, ammunition. Everything that he needed to commit atrocity that he committed today. And his parents dont know . Nobody knows . Thats ridiculous. Parents need to take a greater part of their childrens lives. Along with the kids, the parents are usually there on their iphones tweeting out as well on social gatherings. Its not something that only happens with young folks. None of us are immune to that. Its electronic socialization. It makes everything so impersonal. These kids will realize that what happened, what they witnessed as they walked by this carnage is going to bite them for a long time to come. Its going to be defend starting in their lives. I certainly hope and i know the schools in florida will provide emotional assistance for these children and for the adults as well. Im afraid even adults are missing the social skills. David then the responsibility of companies that are the means of exchange. There have been a lot of questions in regard to terrorism in terms of the responsibility of twitter and facebook and the rest of them. But now this brings it to a more social personal level. Do you think companies have to change their ways and become more involved in this process working with the fbi and others . I think we all have to change our ways, companies included. But the problem is they cower under the social pressure, if they do something, social groups, the aclu is going to come down on them. I wouldnt be surprised with these children and the adults forming prayer g