evidence to consider this tragedy and they are not ruling out an international connection in the murder of four of the marines today. we are learning more about the even though we cannot release their names. according to a well-placed fox news source, one of the marines who was killed was a decorated war hero with two purple hearts the youngest marine was just 19 years old. all of them were reservists. one of the wounded u.s. navy. the names of those skills are not going to be released until the primary next of kin are all notified but we know the name and the age of the gunmen. he is mohammod youssuf abdulazeez. we are learning more about the gunmen by the minute and we will be bringing you all that we do know throughout this hour. at this point mohammod youssuf abdulazeez is believed to have acted alone. he may have been alone, but he was certainly heavily armed and he carried with him numerous weapons as he attacked two military facilities in chattanooga. a senior government official telling fox news that the first shooting was effectively a drive-by in which he fired from his car into a recruiting office in a strip mall. chattanooga police chased him 7 miles to the second location where he fired his weapon, firing on the marines at the naval operations support center. the assault lasted by some say as much as 15 minutes. the police shot and killed him there. the fbi's taking the lead on the investigation of this tragedy. but authorities say that they had absolutely no warning and there's absolutely no intelligence apparently with any indication that mohammod youssuf abdulazeez was about to carry out these attacks today. but he did have an encounter with the police three months ago and we will be telling you about that and much more as we continue our report tonight. joining us now to discuss the shooting today is the major who is an army officer and a criminal defense attorney. it's good to have you with us. >> this senseless tragedy it is already expected to be with some evidence to that effect a lone wolf attack perhaps inspired by the islamic state. what are your thoughts? >> it's very difficult to find any promise or hope or optimism to tragic situations and i'm so we hope that it is a lone wolf attack. i suppose that could be part of a larger terrorist organization but the damage is horrific and we have lost not only for america lives but for her relative american lives. lou: as our cameras move in here at that strip mall recruiting center what's going on? >> you know the recruiting areas are gun free zones. it's incredulous at a moment like this to think that the greens are defenseless against an assailant. and i understand that there is a reason. the reason on the part of the military to style it as such. why is it necessary for us to be a gun free zone? >> if you remember the recruiting office, you are trying to attract people. most recruiters will tell you that they are trained to be less militaristic. and you are going in to speak to a class of high school seniors. if you come off with too much of a militaristic approach you have to connect with people. it's difficult to be inviting and connect with people when someone who might otherwise feel that they are walking into a police state or it so that is a waste of the motivation behind it. lou: do you think that we will be rethinking this outlook? because i have even noticed that we don't have military units in our fourth of july parades anymore. there is an attempt by the most recent estimate .4% of our present active duty. we are setting ourselves up for something like this that is not only tragic but it is perhaps a deafening warning about our future. if we persist with some of these ideas. >> going back to the founding of the nation the founding fathers were very concerned about the idea of, you know, militarizing not only the border but within the united states. the idea that the military was going to be a force in the fights not only here but abroad as well. and that is still very much alive today. >> sure, absolutely, but even if you look at the terms of the reserves or the national guard there are specific laws that dictate when they are under the control of the governor of the vaporware when they are federalized and we have seen this. lou: they are under control of the governor until the president says that he is in charge. >> just come until he keeps the jurisdiction. i know we have had this during one of natural disasters. but when it comes to protecting the security of the actual people in uniform and their inherent right to defend themselves in the right for us to protect the military obviously there is a balance enact the past to take place and you can't have military facilities that are rendered defenseless for any reason. >> there are a couple of things that happened. it we have the bubble operations support center which is for reservist. to coordinate and to support that we have bases all over the country that are secured by private purity farms and not men and women in uniform of the united states military. it is jolting to some of us from an earlier generation to see a base protected by this. and it's a crazy thing that we've got. and so as we look at this this is not the first attack on a recruiting center or the first attack on a military installation. isn't it time for us to start talking about a new way of doing business and given this? >> anytime that we as a country are vulnerable and clearly we are in this day and age the men and women are vulnerable, they are targets or lone wolf fanatics the priority always has to be what can we do and are we doing everything to protect them. >> you are one of those citizen soldiers. part of that great tradition of this country. and i have to tell you as a citizen that i want you armed and i want you to have access to weapons. i don't want you sitting in a recruiting office or a reserve facility to be without the weapons that keep you and your fellow citizens save. it seems to be utterly mindless to persevere in this path in which these four marines died unable to defend themselves. >> government all too often tends to be reactionary instead of proactive. and i don't want to say that you need a tragedy like this you never need and you never want a tragedy like this. but it takes something of this magnitude to get government to change their behavior to revisit the policies and then deal with things like this. and hopefully this will this will bring in change where we focus more on the safety of the men and women in uniform not only when they are broad but when they are on domestic soil. lou: it's good to have you with us. thank you so much. citizen soldier. you know, that is a great title. >> it takes to great titles and combines them. i love it. >> thank you. >> thank you for your service. lou: more breaking news out of colorado. a jury has found james holmes guilty of murder in the attack that left 12 people dead and dozens wounded. the verdict means 27-year-old former graduate student could get the death penalty for those murders. jurors found him guilty after deliberating his mental state and his actions. taking 13 actions over two days. the same panel must decide whether he should pay for the attacks with his life. coming up next we are going to have continuing coverage of this breaking news story out of chattanooga. we have much more in the way of details and we are going to go live to tennessee for the very latest. we have our national correspondent who was there and we will have a live report for him right after this. stay with us, there's much more ahead. we are coming right back. ♪ i built my business with passion. but i keep it growing by making every dollar count. that's why i have the spark cash card from capital one. i earn unlimited 2% cash back on everything i buy for my studio. ♪ and that unlimited 2% cash back from spark means thousands of dollars each year going back into my business... 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one can figure out the carnage that went inside this support center. why they had sent out that there was no shooting. they are on the highway of the outskirts of chattanooga, tennessee. this is the navy and marine reserve center where four marines were shot dead earlier today just after 11:00 o'clock this morning. we now know that in total six people were shot the four marines who were killed, a police officer that was wounded in the ankle and according to the navy a sailor received minor wounds as well. he may or may not be in the hospital but apparently his wounds were not life-threatening. as near as we can ascertain it started just before 11:00 o'clock this morning when mohammod youssuf abdulazeez went from his home, which is leave to be in xm tennessee, northeast of chattanooga, to a recruiting center that handles all four branches of the military. this is in the northeast section of chattanooga and they're according to eyewitnesses he pulled up in a mustang and pulled out a large black weapon most likely given the volume of shots that he fired some sort of military style weapon with a high-capacity magazine and the witnesses say he never got out of the car he must've gotten awfully close to the grass and from that shooting location he tore off the highway, which is the road that runs behind me. according to a person who we talked to, he pulled a you turn right behind me and then went into the entrance to river park in which that navy operational support center and the marine corps reserve center is housed. and given you a way of the land here just off the main entrance to the park you would almost think it's on park property and there is a parking lot on the front that looks like they are gaining entry to that parking lot because that is where his car ended up according to pictures we have seen and according to the police that is where he opened fire and killed the former reigns. the police were in hot pursuit. right after the killings there was a big shooting that ensued. it is believed that he was killed by a police bullet. the u.s. attorney for the eastern district of tennessee says that while they haven't ruled out that this could be a criminal act they are pursuing it as if it was a case of domestic terrorism and they are actively investigating potential links to terrorist groups overseas including isis. we are learning more about this at this time, he graduated from the university of tennessee with a degree in electrical engineering. the tennessee valley authority confirming that he was an intern with them when he was a student and apparently this was in the year 2009 through 2010. according to other reports, he enjoyed wrestling in high school and he was also a cage fighter engaging in mixed martial arts. arrested according to the times free press in april of this year. and according to those that talk about this, my name causes national security alerts. what does yours do. and just before we close out, there was a moment that we got just a few minutes ago when a marine and his family will love to the roadblock here outside and handed the police officer who is guarding the entrance a flag and chatted with the officer, obviously expressing his condolences and got back in his car. one of america's heroes paying tribute to the dead heroes here. lou: we are learning a great deal more about this individual. twenty-four years of age. he went to school at chattanooga and got his degree in electrical engineering. below we don't know is that there is a family connection in chattanooga, do we know any more about his motivation here. is there any indication yet from friends of the family as to what is going on a map it is remarkable that we have found out so much so is doomed. so i am impressing a bit. >> yes, it is, but that is the power of social media and the internet. in many cases people's history are there for all to see. a lot of this we have gleaned about the background was taken from a resume from a job application that he put in. apparently he did hit family members in the area, he lived across the tennessee river about 5 miles that way in the city of hixson. a lot of other individuals were on scene police, including eyewitnesses, a couple of women were taken away in handcuffs. as you can imagine that was the home in which he was habited in. we don't know if it was his home or for the family members but the name on the property is that of a mohammod youssuf abdulazeez. it could be a relative or if you can imagine that the fbi is going through that place with a fine tooth comb picking up every computer that i can possibly find to look into the background of mohammod youssuf abdulazeez, whatever he may have been doing to find out if indeed, if there is some sort of nexus to the international terrorism or if he is a self radicalized lone wolf. lou: absolutely. one of the things that we know is that there was some traffic on social media, specifically on twitter from an account for jihadist john in which there was a clear warning to chattanooga and it is uncertain the timestamp as those went out. and then it's very interesting what happened. >> yes, it does look very suspicious. catherine herridge reported that the tweets came out from a late account to isis before the shooting began. was it coincidence? was that the indication for him to act? that is something that the investigation will reveal and they are certainly going to put as many assets in here in this area as they possibly can in the days and weeks ahead. according to add ed reinhold, the fbi office in knoxville, tennessee which includes this in its jurisdiction, t soon have hundreds of fbi agents all over the case and i'm sure dozens of them looking for every clue and lead and talking to every person that they possibly can get their hands on to find out how this fella got to the point where he did what he did after a benign background. lou: john roberts reporting, thank you. coming up next, we will 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location where they shot and killed him. the gunman was identified quickly. he was mohammod youssuf abdulazeez, he attended high school and college and his area. the gunman is believed to have acted alone the police say that he was acting alone. the fbi says that there is absolutely no intelligence or warning of any kind of a shooting to take place today. we will have updates throughout this time. we will have had a complete continuing coverage at 8:00 p.m. eastern of the shooting of four u.s. marines in chattanooga. joining us now is congressman lee zeldin. member of the veterans affairs committee and cochair of the house republican caucus. it's good to have you here. >> it's good to be back. >> let's start with what appears by every indication, that by every indication that this is a domestic terrorist act. >> i think that that is an accurate interpretation of what we are seeing. there have been some mischaracterizations were something like this could be called workplace violence. and this is terrorism here at home. i feel absolutely terrible for the marines are helpless. in all of those other service members that are going to go to the recruiting centers across america tomorrow and not have the protection that they need and that they should be able to defend themselves. lou: now more people than ever who might otherwise be better without that knowledge by law federal law, they are not allowed to carry a weapon. and i would think that that is a law that some might want to change very quickly. i understand it is a constitutional provision as well. >> the shooter went past two other movie theaters where you could carry a gun in order to go to a gun free zone. i don't think that there's any coincidence on what would happen there. but i think that for the service members across the hamlets and towns all across america that the fact of the matter is that they should be able to protect themselves and this is a real threat if we don't eliminate it the fbi is tracking cases in all 50 states related to isis and a threat on the homeland. lou: the number of instances of these lone wolf attacks whether inspired by or directed by the islamic state has risen remarkably. and now in all 50 states, investigations by the fbi homeland security, and other agencies. this is becoming a disturbing and even frightening wave to millions of americans. what do we figure about it? >> when we go to the beach and someone makes an awful joke saying to bring sunscreen and a shotgun and you take a step back and reflect on the gravity of that comment. and you think about the reality of the threat that we face. two women arrested, they had every intention of putting a pressure cooker bomb in new york propane tanks were found in her apartment, these are self radicalized citizens to the islamic state, in dallas we had a shooting there as well the president called them the jv team. the reality is that if we do not defeat the threat now the next president is going to be inheriting a threat that is going to be ex potentially greater than it was today and this is an element that is satisfied with just having a little bit of this. they are looking to wage global jihad on them they would love to bring it into that. >> those that are lone wolves, mohammod youssuf abdulazeez doesn't necessarily fit the profile. any of the most recent individuals have been arrested. they are middle class or even wealthier. families and strong families and in some cases they are not separated from those families and it appears that mohammod youssuf abdulazeez, his family was living in or least part of his family was living in chattanooga. >> it is such a huge point you are making. when the president had the white house woman on extremism and he was talking about a three prong strategy one that was you could get the more jobs yesterday when the president was in the white house and he was talking about iran nuclear deal responding to a reporter's question and how we need to get these young adults more jobs and he's talking about poverty. but it's all kinds of demographics and al qaeda required their tactics. they look for more of a planning footprint, easier to detect but when you are engaging this, you could put a flat behind you and save you are a sympathizer. >> thank you for the near. >> coming up next we have continuing coverage on the four marines shot and killed in tennessee. federal authorities being raised dramatically. we will have the latest details and the fox news report on tramples revealing that there is a new front runner in the 2016 presidential race for the republican nomination. we have that and more ahead and we have the very latest when we comeat back. rates. stay with us. not being on this phone call sounds good. it's not muted. was that you jason? it was geoffrey! it was jason. it could've been brenda. ♪ your body was made for better things than the pain, stiffness and joint damage of moderate to severe rheumatoid arthritis. before you 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we have with the fbi director who has been running consistently about this case and someone that was not known to the fbi and he was in the presence oval office, briefing him. based on the news conference and also a statement from the attorney general this evening. this is the lead investigative agency and they said at the news conference that hundreds of would the on the ground in chattanooga and as i know you have reported that they are investigating this as an act of domestic terrorism and starting points are working back from that if the evidence suggests otherwise. and given the timeframe that we are looking at since the shooting. but the suspect himself what is happening is what amounts to a forensic autopsy of the suspect involved, the network of associates, also a review of the social media based upon my conversations so far. and the name that we have identified him as an certainly investigators are looking at what is unfortunately the celebratory messaging coming in out of this. >> and it is reportedly being tweeted via jihadist john, in which there was a clear warningalthough i don't understand the timestamp differences right now. on the two counts and i have seen. >> we have been reporting throughout the day that the fbi is looking at the social media traffic and we want to be careful with the timestamp on this but it does bring to mind a case that is very recent in texas of the two individuals who have contact with this known twitter account. so i think that we want to be cautious and careful and understand that this is a bit of focus for the fbi as well. lou: your reference to what had ensued there. your thoughts as we are looking at what has been so far in this calendar year until today tragically until today the success of our intelligence agencies and our law enforcement agencies in stopping the attacks, even though there have been many this year, each one of those has been broken up before tragedy could result. so i briefly today four marines are dead and a terrorist if he is that, succeeded despite our best efforts. >> one of the things that is coming through today is that it was just about a week ago the director really said that plots have been broken up that were designed to coincide with the fourth of july but it was not going to be possible for him to prevent every plot indefinitely. and so that could not seem more relevant given the circumstances this evening. and sticking with the fact debate based on our reporting, a lone gunman who targeted military installations and military personnel. i don't know if you have the video of the recruitment center when you look at the bullet spray on that it is because the bullets are so close together that that is an indication of someone who had some kind of familiarity or training with the weapons and he was also taken down with many weapons himself. but your point is well raised. there is a herculean effort that is going on to prevent these kinds types of attacks, there is a public warning that it's just not going to be possible to prevent every attack because there are individuals who become motivated to act who are really under the radar or who have some communication with terrorist groups overseas so we don't know that to be the case at this time. >> tragically whether it is a semi automatic weapon or not there is no sign posted to those doors saying gun free zone. as always thank you for your great reporting. joining us now to discuss how agencies do coordinate in a response like this to the shooting in tennessee the former chief of operations michael joins us now. it thank you so much for being with us. it give us a sense. because of all of the agencies the intelligence agencies, how are they reacting here we know that investigators are to running upon chattanooga literally hundreds of investigators, a what are the other agencies the customs and border patrol what are they doing? >> they are all working hard and a very important piece of this is the fbi's got up and shortly after 9/11 made up of predominantly fbi agents and analysts who are supported by atf agents who are members of the task force is with the agents and even more important local and state law enforcement who have been jeopardized and trained by the fbi and you know they know the more than they ever will. so to herculean effort and the fbi is absolutely in charge. they are managing they are managing the the tuitions better than any other agency in our country and i honestly any other law enforcement agency in the world. sadly they have been involved in one to many of these incidents over the past few years they have got this down to a science and there's just a lot of hard work going on tonight. lou: the fact appears to be that taken down this lone gunman was killed on what turns out to have been as long as 15 minutes at the second location of the naval operations support center. killed by the chattanooga police in that fight. but we are also hearing that there were local elements of homeland security and it's always my impression that they were supposed to be in support of the first responders whether it's the sheriff's department, police department, highway patrol, what are your thoughts? >> when this thing broke out i can assure you that there were agents in chattanooga that were involved in their daily investigative activity, whether that was surveillances or interviews or what have you there were agents and dea agents, certainly fbi agents those that were involved in the routine activities and when the alert goes up you know the police radio is crackling law enforcement comes together at times like this and they shine, they put their lives on the line come they come together to get the job done. you know i don't personally know if they were involved in that, but it certainly wouldn't surprise me one bit if they were lou: we appreciate you being with us and giving us the perspective of the coordination and the good work of our law enforcement and agencies come i have to say for everyone responsible for bringing this assailant to the ground, i thank you and congratulations. >> thank you. >> thank you for being with us. coming up next, the very latest on this new set of tennessee as "lou dobbs tonight" continues. until 9:00 o'clock tonight, we are learning that the law enforcement officers have swarmed the house that is believed to house the man that authorities say killed for of our brains. we will have the latest for you and we are coming right back hey america, still not sure whether to stay or go to your people? ♪ well this summer, stay with choice hotels twice and get a $50 gift card you can use for just about anything. go you always have a choice. book now at choicehotels.com push your enterprise and you can move the world. but to get from the old way to the new you'll need the right it infrastructure. from a partner who knows how to make your enterprise more agile, borderless and secure. hp helps business move on all 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>> yes, it's clear that the investigation is going on right now, what connection the sky may have had we do not know but the simple fact that there's only one gunman doesn't mean that it's important to think about as a global phenomenon and something that the islamic state -- it has inspired attacks already. lou: we know that the other intelligence agencies have been extraordinarily successful in stopping them before they can succeed as they obviously did today. betsy, you talk about the tweets by the gunman. there seems to be some kind of corroboration. do you have some sense about those medications and those tweets? >> as far as i can tell they do not refer to the islamic state they don't particularly refer to specific acts of violence. this guy wasn't telegraphing as he was come up so we haven't been able to make that link but it's something that is possible. the goal of the islamic state is to reach out to men like this young man who are able to be influenced. he wanted you for being with us, it's good to see you. coming up next we have much more on this story, this tragic story out of tennis you. stay with us and we will be right back ♪ i built my business with passion. but i keep it growing by making every dollar count. that's why i have the spark cash card from capital one. i earn unlimited 2% cash back on everything i buy for my studio. ♪ and that unlimited 2% cash back from spark means thousands of dollars each year going back into my business... that's huge for my bottom line. what's in your wallet? 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