Confrontation with nato, do you agree with that . Look, one doesnt exclude the other, because whats the point . The matter is because you saw the news given by the south korean media that 6,700 containers of artillery shells and weapons could be transferred by north korea to russia. What does it mean . This means that their resources are not infinite, and russia has had a catastrophic lack of time to. Build up weapons and there are problems, that is, they have faced the fact that the resources that they have have been used extremely inefficiently, extremely inefficiently in the war against ukraine, and in order for these resources to decrease now, they did not end, they decreased, but for to use them more effectively and, say, to improve the work of the militaryindustrial complex, including in order to support the capabilities of the Russian Troops in the war. In the longer term, of course, that this replacement took place, here i agree with this conclusion of the institute for the study of war. And oleksandr, does such preparation for such a long protracted war mean an endless war, or what can it mean after all, well, you say that there were inefficiently used, there were not enough resources, but nevertheless what was well, there are some such Critical Situations with military aid there, as in ukraine, for example, well, we do not observe such from the russian side. Over the years, the Defense Industry seems to be gaining momentum in them, the missiles have not run out, and we see this, unfortunately, when there are attacks on ukrainian infrastructure, including that, can they really set themselves up for such a longterm process and which ones this is a term, a decade, until they reach their goal, what can they plan there, well, the question is , the question is that they help received faster, it is a matter of what their partners passed faster. Decision, unfortunately, and provided them with this help to hold on, and here comes the most interesting thing, it is still a race for resources now, that is, a war of attrition, of course, there is a great pity, unfortunately, but i have to admit it, the fact that says pisku, shows that russia has begun to understand a lot in terms of approaches to war, and they will make certain adjustments, make certain amendments, from what he is now saying about the innovativeness of solutions, it is appropriate. So further, well, a lot of this was stolen from us, it is clear that they did not think of it themselves, but at the same time, which means that they are laying a certain base, a certain foundation in order to really be able to fight for recognition, as much as will have to, but it is not infinite, there can be no infinity here, and here we are simply entering that period, about which we have been warned many times, about which i said that now we are entering a race of war of attrition, whose rear will work more effectively . Us with our partners, or russian with hers partners, north korea, iran, china and other states that are ready to help. I think that in the long run our chances are better here, that is, from the point of view that the west will support us so that there are no delays in supply, but russia is counting on the fact that they will still do, maybe even something simpler , something, say, faster. But in greater quantity, that is, they still emphasize quantity, not quality, well, actually speaking, we are entering this, lets say, this period of the war of attrition, here already everything depends on the rear support, well, in the long term, i dont see the possibility of russia and its allies there to challenge, lets say, thats what piskov is talking about, innovation, technology, they really dont have any innovation. Technological capabilities, what they introduced is what they were able to introduce to circumvent sanctions, and the west has Technological Capabilities and innovativeness, so i think that it is very important to ensure this combination. And our certain Technological Capabilities and developments and western ones, and then in principle ours the style looks stronger if we talk about the longterm perspective, so that political moments do not change the essential conjuncture. Oleksandr, i want to ask you about the explosion in a residential building in belgorod, which version do you prefer, something exploded from inside there, a russian antiaircraft missile or a missile allegedly launched by ukrainians. I think so, at least from what ive seen and know. Or how many there have been at least 10 cases of so called accidental damage of ammunition in the Belgorod Region in the past period, it was a Russian Air Defense missile, a failed operation of Russian Air Defense, they, moreover , most likely did not shoot down anything, but simply hit, before that, by the way, there was a strike the day before and two air defense missiles hit russian belgorod literally the day before, in the end, the Russian Ministry of defense indirectly confirmed this version that it worked pppo, however, talked about a ukrainianstyle rocket, but i think that there was no rocket there. And if we talk about the offensive in kharkiv oblast, which is happening now, we started the program with this, and we talked about fortifications, you know, many journalists, they say about the fact that after communicating with the military, and the military mr. Yaroslavsky wrote about it publicly, that the problems with the fortifications were not built enough, in general, can you clarify the question, to what extent this criticism really has certain. Facts and where should these fortifications be built right on the border with russia or further away, closer to big cities, for example . They were being built as far as i know, but dont forget that unfortunately they couldnt be held because the enemy has total air superiority, for any the fortifications are destroyed by kababs, but in principle, that is why, unfortunately, it was not possible to secure them there without being covered by the air defense system, and therefore the decision that was made at this point is to create defensive lines a little deeper so that they are unreachable at least as much as possible there artillery fire so that they could be built, they are today. I would sharpen the problematic issue by the fact that, nevertheless, what happened, obviously, is not just a lack of fortification, it is a lack of air defense systems, which showed itself and gave the enemy an advantage in the air, and a lack of our side in a certain way of ammunition, which led to exhaustion in. And that is why the enemy managed to advance there in a day or two, get some success, tactical gains, and now they are already being stopped, there are some other problems here in addition to fortification, but in relation to that , where they should have been, by the way, how they should have been, well, i think that this question is still something that will be discussed for sure. I thank you, oleksandr, for joining, of course, these conversations with facts and. Explanations will still be heard, it is important to hear different opinions here. Oleksandr musienko, head of the military legal center research, was a guest on saturday morning, thank you. In the comments, you can generally write your opinion about what you heard, if you are from the kharkiv region, write what your situation is, what the local authorities are telling you and what you are aiming for. Well, then lets talk about eurovision, this years victory at eurovision was won by switzerland, singer nemo with the song the couchch. Switzerland received 591 points from the audience and the jury, this is the countrys third eurovision win of all time. Ukrainian singers elona lona and jerry hale with the song teresa maria took third place. They scored a total of 453 points. After the winners were announced, nemo, who identifies as a nonbinary person, went wild on stage, even breaking the crystal award and injuring his finger, as revealed on instagram. But after a few minutes , nemo received a new, identical statue. A poetess in their songs, the eurovision winner sings about the problems of gender identity and selfacceptance. Oleksiy bondarenko, editorinchief of the new media, joins our broadcast ukrainian culture. Lirum. I congratulate you. Thank you for joining. Good morning. In general, what are your impressions of the competition, of the winner . Ukraine supported as much as possible, just nemo from switzerland, it should be noted, and the level of scandals, there were scandals, also in. In general, and the show itself, were there really many such worthy highlevel artists at the competition . Well, it seems to me that this year there were fewer scandals than usual, because you already associate eurovision with scandals, in principle, if you think about it that way, except for the netherlands, israel and some you wont remember anything in particular about minimal stories, so this year i think everything went quite smoothly, compared to previous years, the performances were as usual, some good, some bad, eurovision it s not that the competition is very popular. This is a contest about contexts and about the show, so in principle everything is ok, but even every time i am periodically asked, like in eurovision, i dont even know what to add, because there is nothing like that. Nothing special happened, everything that happened was normal. The fact that ukraine took third place, and thats it it was the votes from the audience that helped, it should be noted, because the jury gave such low marks, and this is again the political aspect of the fact that many refugees in europe are ukrainians, they supported it, honestly or dishonestly, because as far as i saw in the stories in jeri hale, then she thinks that the jury seems to have specially given a low score to ukraine, what can you say . They always try to blame the jury for this and that, but to be honest i think everything was fine, again, a lot of points from the audience, is it true, did the refugees play a role in this, we will not know for sure, but i think yes, because after all, we must take into account that millions, well, this is not an exaggeration, millions of ukrainians are now abroad , plus even many ukrainians who are now in ukraine have sim cards, sim cards of some other european countries, france, poland and so on, so it is in any case. In which case did the jury play a role there was some engagement, i think not, i think that everyone voted as they felt, and to understand our number to the europeans, i think it is not so simple, we understand, and i got the impression that jerry hale and Alyona Alyona performed primarily for the ukrainians, and the ukrainians felt it very much, i can see it from the comments on social networks, i can see it from talking to my friends, from colleagues, that everyone was affected, and thats good, but whether an average french or german can understand our number, im not sure, so i. It seems that they fulfilled their function for ukraine, not the fact that they were understood in europe, but and it wont be possible to win every year either, so it seems to me that the result is more than worthy, but it should be noted that many such reviews from youtube reviewers who do not know the ukrainian language were nevertheless really moved, that is, there are also positive reviews, lets say from foreigners on this song, if we talk about, you know, such a global moment , when ukraine chooses its candidate as a contestant. For eurovision, well, it is always just a storm of emotions, in social networks everywhere, always dissatisfied with the choice, they always say that it is unworthy, a shame for ukraine, such comments, well, of course, it is not the majority, no there not sociology, but there is a lot of this in social networks, when a participant performs well and also takes some place of honor, these comments, they seem to change, this happens in general in all countries, is this a ukrainian tradition, in general, the attitude towards eurovision in ukraine it is special, for us it is a national sport, and sometimes it seems that eurovision is more important to us than the world cup in football, it surprises me, and every year ukraine sends the best of the best, and other countries, not all, but many that send, well, just someone , thats why a feature unique to us, but here we must also take into account that ukraine loves to win, well, its true, its also a kind of national history, we love to win wherever we can take part and win, we throw ourselves into it to the max, eurovision is one of of the few International Competitions where we manage to do this regularly, we have several cases, and they are more or less successful in principle, even when we do not win, it is remembered for a very, very long time, as was the case of serdyuchko, who did not win , but no one will remember who won that year, as was the case with goa, which did not win, but became very popular in europe, so yes, in ukraine a little bit, it seems to me that the attitude towards eurovision is even too serious, but oh well, again it works, everyone likes it , and yes, jerry hale and alyon alyon were all criticized at the stage of the National Selection, and they performed beautifully, as i think, but here we must also take into account tanya minyus production. Who performed this number and they looked much better at the Eurovision Song Contest in malmo, i think, than at the National Selection, because the number is still added a lot to this song. But the resource, of course, which is invested in the National Selection for eurovision is completely different, there is huge, obviously the team worked on it, in the end, after all, the assessment of the country, it should be as support to other countries or not, because for example, also they complained that estonia was not supported enough, and those in the background, it seems that estonia had ukrainian flags, right . But supported ukraine, and ukraine did not put anything, ukrainian juries, they should have taken into account these political aspects, who supports them, who supports ukraine, therefore do you score high or not . I dont think there is any guideline, well i had to be a member of the jury, i didnt go through the voting in action, i got, i think i watched yesterday, seventh place, but i would have voted the same, in estonia frankly, well thats it horror, well, this is a bad number, i understand that they were doing antimusic, and that s also funny, but if you do antimusic, then. You expect to get good marks, considering the political situation it is definitely necessary, but i think that we do it subconsciously, we understand that conditionally, the baltic countries support us, and there are lithuania, latvia, estonia, they are for us, and we will vote for them one way or another, if they have at least something cool and faint, but if it is a frankly weak number, then you will not to vote for it, and when i saw that the ukrainian jury members gave switzerland 12, i thought, well, i would do the same, thanks oleksiy. It was interesting to hear your opinion. 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