The Russian Federation, but on the other hand he is trying to keep these channels of communication open, the french and de gaulle tradition plays a role here, that he balances between the west, nato allies in europe and the United States and at that time the soviet union, now the Russian Federation , well of course, that macron wants to play a more leading european role in regulating relations with the Russian Federation in the future. The end of this war or peace negotiations, it is clear that now there is no reason for this, and putin actually, lets say this, this rhetoric of his both during the inauguration and now, that he is not going to start this genocidal war against ukraine, but it is clear that our western partners are still of the opinion that certain successes of ukraine can convince putin that he cannot. To end this war on its own terms and thats why he can return and sit down at the negotiating table, and thats exactly why macron or someone else will appear, who will try to end this conflict on favorable terms for ukraine. That is, i understand that our western partners do not want to close, so to speak, the diplomatic door into which they can still enter. Here the only question is whether. Will putin remain the person with whom both macron and scholz will shake hands, well, in the future, biden there, or the next president of the United States of america, well, after he drowned chechnya in blood in the second the chechen war, after he carried out aggression against georgia in 2008, illegally annexed crimea, we saw that european and american politicians were happy to press. Year tried to solve their Economic Issues and thought that this mess that putin started in europe would be worth it for them, i do not exclude the possibility that they will squeeze him again, under the guise of diplomatic protocol, with some other things, if they see that it is possible to come to an agreement and stop this war, well, lets remember, as trump said, that i solve this problem in 24 hours, it is clear that there may be a situation where we can stay, well, almost alone with the Russian Federation, i hope that the vast majority of europeans will still support us in the long term, it is very good here not only the position of the balkan countries of poland, romania, but also Northern Europe and most importantly the united kingdom, that they will definitely not push ukraine to socalled compromises, here, but, well, what. What will happen in the future, how can it return hostilities in the next few months, given that, lets say, the pause in aid from the United States, it led to rather sad results on the battlefield, and the continued destruction of ukrainian infrastructure and other things, so we do not yet know how what will be the trajectory until the end of the year, here, and thats why i understand that our western partners. They dont have the moral right to say this now, and thank god they dont, but i think that they have some kind of ulterior motive, that it will be possible to agree on something with putin when it happens the opportunity to check or make sure that putin will fulfill his, lets say, his obligations, we understand that this is a futile matter, but you know that the reluctance of a conflict, the expansion of the conflict beyond the territory of ukraine, the reluctance of a nuclear conflict. They will push our partners, find some compromises and maybe a handshake wont be such a bad thing. Well, what about our western partners so far . Are looking for an understanding with xi jinping, who is making his European Tour for the first time in the last 5 years, he was in of france, talked with macron, with ursula funderlay, and today he is supposed to be in hungary and meet with Prime Minister viktor orban, obviously this meeting is taking place, well, at the moment, or at least it has already taken place within the framework of his very first European Tour, of course in. Ukraine and our western partners are interested in sidzin pinyas position at the upcoming global peace summit in switzerland, which will be held on june 1516 this year. It is not yet clear whether china will participate in this summit, although china are invited to this summit, as far as the expectations of our western partners, and the partners of sidzenpinnya, respectively, are economic, because it is domestic. Nimena and france are quite important countries for china that conduct trade with the celestial sphere, so how many arguments of scholz and macron, and european leaders, how convincing will these arguments be for xijin ping, well, first of all , it should be said that the global peace summit, it seems to me , his main idea. To attract, to secure the support of those who, until now, will chose not to express a certain support for ukraine or the ukrainian peace plan, and it is clear that we need the support of the socalled global south and china, india, brazil and several other countries are key players. I dont know how xidienpin will decide, whether he himself or someone will come, maybe he wont appear there, because his position is completely different. From the russian vision and the causes of this conflict, as if it were the United States, nato, pushed the Russian Federation to defend itself, and now the western partners are inciting conflict, instead of looking for compromises and so on, that is, this is practically the worldview of sydzenpinnya, it determines how he acts, what he says, and if he takes part in this summit, he will definitely be a lawyer for the Russian Federation, he will definitely perform. Against certain points, especially the issues of security of ukraine, will pull the legitimate so called interests of the Russian Federation, above all security, because just as putin does not like nato, sizinpin does not like it either, since he does not want alliances against china were being created or strengthened in the indopacific region, and i dont think that when he met with macron, macron had any killer arguments to change this. Position, to change and to convince sidzenpin that it was in his interests for russia , well, if she did not lose, then at least she actually made concessions and retreated, because several things are very important for china, on the one hand, russia is important as a partner, a junior partner, because they have an economic profit from it, and also, in fact, russia is destroying the world an order that does not suit the chinese very well, they would certainly prefer to do it with evolutions. To gradually change it to the chinese world, but even so, in principle, they are somewhat satisfied, and of course they are satisfied with the fact that the financial and Industrial Resources of defense are the ideological complex of europeans and americans, it is now aimed at supporting ukraine, and therefore there are fewer resources for to strengthen taiwan and the allies of the americans in the windatechikan region, i do not think that macron. That, lets put it this way, it is in chinas interests to retreat, in chinas interests to do something additional efforts, to change their position, we understand from the mediated moments that they perceive ukraine as a country with limited sovereignty, and by the way, it was the Chinese Ambassador to france who said that the postsoviet countries do not have full sovereignty, and that in fact he believed , more precisely, not so. Gave the opinion that the spheres of influence of the Russian Federation operate on the former countries of the soviet union, and i dont think that macron has achieved any economic success, now there is an antidumping investigation against chinese electric cars, on the other hand, the chinese actually blocked the export of brandy, most of which is almost 70 , these are french cognacs and other drinks. Also, of course, that macron has tried to play a somewhat separate role in, lets say, in relation to the rest of the European Union and the United States, that is, he does not want to. To reduce trade relations with china, he wants to increase, on the contrary, he tried to lobby agriculture, but in the same way he tried to balance his desire to get something on the bilateral level by being present and heard during the meetings and the issue of human rights, democracy, and so on, and thats why ursula funderlein was also part of the program for sidzenpinnys stay in paris, and by the way. Well, last year, when macron himself was in beijing, ursula was also, lets say, his companion, but for sure this will not lead to a change in the position and vision of chinas strategic goals, and the fact that china will be actively involved in stopping this war. Thank you, mr. Oleksandr, for the conversation, it was oleksandr hara, a diplomat, and we are grateful to him for participating in this program, we remind you that we work directly. On the air channel, as well as on our youtube and facebook platforms, for those who are currently watching us there, please subscribe to our platforms and also take part in our survey, today we ask you whether you support the decision to mobilize to the armed forces of ukraine of convicts, yes, no, everything is quite simple on youtube, if you watch us on tv, pick up your smartphone or phone and vote if you support the decision to mobilize convicts to the armed forces of ukraine 0800 211 380 no 0800 211 382 all calls on these numbers are free of charge next, we are in touch with oleksiy goncharenko, peoples deputy of ukraine, president of the parieh committee on migration and refugees. Mr. Oleksiy, i congratulate you and thank you for being with us today. Welcome, thank you for the invitation. Mr. Oleksiy, lets start our conversation with personnel rotations, which unexpectedly took place today in the Verkhovna Rada of ukraine, when oleksandr kubrakova. Retired from the post of deputy Prime Minister for the reconstruction of ukraine, minister of community development, territories and infrastructure, and Mykola Solskyi from the post of minister of agrarian politicians, everything is clear with solsky, he has a criminal case, and he himself submitted his resignation, although he should have resigned as soon as this criminal case appeared, nothing is clear with kubrakov at all, because on the eve of his release, kubrakov refused to come for a report. To the Profile Committee of the Verkhovna Rada, he himself wrote on social networks that the resignation was a surprise for him, but he was ready to report, always ready for an open dialogue and a detailed report on the work of the ministry in all directions of my responsibility, the leadership of the faction and the head of the government Denys Shmyhal did not discuss this decision with me, he was not invited to the meeting of the faction and the Profile Committee. Mr. Oleksiy, what is going on with the government, with the ministers . Well, with the mighty majority , it is probably correct in this sequence, well, a complete mess is happening, well, they cannot figure it out, the minister, the vicePrime Minister, even kubrakov says that he was not invited to the committee, the Committee Says that he did not come to committee, it all looks strange, there is only one result, but there is none subjectivity neither in the government nor in the parliament, all decisions are made in the president s office, a command is issued, this command. Is quickly executed, there is no systematicity in this. Kubrakov was a favorite of president zelenskyi for a long time, when he was a favorite, then he also became the deputy Prime Minister, under him we united two huge ministries, the ministry of infrastructure and the ministry of regional policy, various ministries, a strange union, many people talked about it , including me, but thats all, because kubrakov said that this is our new next Prime Minister, now they dont like kubrakov, what kind of black people are there . Ran between them as the president so far, we dont know exactly, but she definitely ran, and kubrakov has been disliked for some time, he would have been fired earlier, but let me remind you that kubrakov was one of those who are socalled whistleblowers of corruption, who wrote a statement and then recorded conversations with two deputies from the Verkhovna Rada, one of them a servant of the people odarchenko, the others a deputy from the will of the people, who offered him a bribe and were detained for that, after. Then immediately dismissing kubrakov was quite strange its not good, thats why they gave him a couple of months, they tolerated him, and then they still kicked him out, and now they say that they will separate the ministries, and this is some kind of kindergarten, they united the ministry, they separated the ministry, just so you understand , its not such a simple process, its millions of hryvnias, its months of time, its the fate of hundreds of thousands of people, and its lost time for work, and all this during the war. I am afraid of such a personnel policy, its complete lack of a system policy, and such a government policy, because the fact is that there is no government in our country today at the dismissal of the vicePrime Minister and me. Could come to our parliament and say something, kubrakov came to us today, by the way, we must give credit to mykola solsky, he came, he gave a report, whoever listened to his report, thats the story, but he also had a report and some kind of presentation , kubrakov just, well, once it was dusk, there was no kubrakov, there is no kubrakov, he is the vice Prime Minister. This is very important, mr. Oleksiy, but these reforms, about which there is already so much talk about the government reform, which there is some decisionmaking center, i dont know what it will be called, the control center, i understand that it will be the same minister of the cabinet of ministers to manage, soup, well , what is it, what is it, well, explain to me, i 30 years of observation. In ukrainian politics, i saw, of course, the separation of ministries, then mergers, then independent state secretaries, then something else, well, that is, i saw a million variations of what happens in the government, and now even my fantasies, my knowledge is not enough to to understand, and what is this one the center will deal with, well, this sounds like complete absurdity, look, the problem of the government is that it does not make any decisions, all decisions are made at the banks, which can be called at least its center for. Decisions, Flight Control center, decision control center , well, call him a tsup, the cia, whatever, they dont influence anything, its not the government, its a department of the president s office, and the Verkhovna Rada, its not the Verkhovna Rada, its some Notary Department of the president s office, this is the reality, what propolitics we have, we dont have any ministers in the cabinet there has been no Activity Program for four years, we have been operating without an Activity Program for four years, by the way. What kind of Economic Policy do we have, does anyone in our country know, i dont know, even elementary managerial tasks that they should perform, build fortifications, well, at least one thing our government could do, but they didnt manage to do that either, who is responsible for them or no one is responsible, its difficult for me to say, so when i hear that they will create some more tsup or change three ministers to five or five to four, well thats everything, well, well, well, the arrangement of these. Furniture will not change anything in this organization. Mr. Oleksiy, on may 20, 2024, how russia is now trying to pump in its information resources, including abroad. They want to start a campaign of, as i understand it, illegitimacy, or to question the legitimacy of president zelenskyi, what can ukraine oppose to this, given the fact that there is no decision of the Constitutional Court on this matter, and why there is no decision, well in order to, well, confirm and say that we have a solution ks, look, there are no problems, and at whom russia is directing this campaign regarding the loss of legitimacy of zelensky and the fact that russia now does not know who to negotiate or agree with at all. Well, by the way, this is a very serious story, to whom is directed, directed to. The citizens of ukraine is directed by the world, the task of dividing the world with ukraine, dividing ukraine from the inside and saying that there is no, well, look, if there is no legitimate government in ukraine, then and ukraine itself is a soso, soso state, so russia has the right to it to divide and tear into pieces, everything is very simple, that is why this is a very dangerous story, and first of all i want to appeal to our citizens, do not rush to everything, we have the principle of continuity of power. Because we cant hold elections according to martial law, and until the elections are held, the current president is acting, he is the president , we dont have another president , you know, great, whoever follows me knows that i not a supporter of Volodymyr Zelensky at all, from the word at all, but at the same time i confidently say that he is a legitimate president today, he will be them on may 21 and may 25 and so on, because we do not have another president , when will we be able to hold elections after the end of hostilities