Armed forces of ukraine. Over the next hour, we will talk about all this with our guests, peoples deputy of ukraine volodymyr ariyev, aviation expert Valery Romanenko and former employee of the Security Service of ukraine ivan stupak. In the second part of our program, we will have political experts Oleg Sahakyan and ihor reiterovych. However, before starting our big conversation, i suggest watching a video of how a russian bmp ran into an antitank vehicle. Near the village of solovove in donetsk region, fighters of the 47th separate mechanized brigade of magura installed the explosives remotely with the help of a vampire drone. Lets see how it all happened. Glory to the armed forces of ukraine and death to the roshi invaders. Friends, we work live on the espresso tv channel, as well as on our youtube and facebook platforms. For those who are currently watching us live on these platforms, please subscribe to ours page, and also take part in our survey. This, today, it sounds like this do you see. You are direct parallels between putins and hitlers regimes, yes, no, everything is quite simple on youtube, if you have your own, separate opinion, please leave it in the comments under the video. If you watch us on tv, pick up your smartphone or phone and vote if you see similarities between the two modes, 0800 211 381, no 0800 211 382. And we have our first guest on the line, this is volodymyr ariev, the peoples. Deputy of ukraine, member of the committee of the Verkhovna Rada on issues of digital transformation, former head of the ukrainian delegation in the Parliamentary Assembly of the council of europe. Mr. Volodymyr, i congratulate you, thank you for joining our broadcast. Good evening. So, today, may 8, on the day of commemoration and victory over nazism in the second world war, putin launched 50 rockets and 20 rockets over ukraine. During the commemoration of the day of remembrance and victory over nazism in the second world war, the president. Zelensky emphasized that modern russian nazism threatens not only ukraine, but also the whole world. Lets listen to what zelensky said. And we hear how they in moscow threaten exactly the same extermination that they bring to ukraine, exactly the same ruins, to other peoples of the world as well. This is what is modern. Nazism, this nazism of putin wants its borders to end nowhere, but still there is and will be a line that the russian nazis cannot cross, this is the bravery of all those who stand against evil. Mr. Volodymyr, why does part of the world not see or pretend not to see that putin today is hitler yesterday. Well, actually, lets start with what is the definition and the main features of fascism and the main features of fascism are the cult of personality, militarism, totalitarianism and the perception of hostility to any other opinions, and of course, if we take historical examples from history, then intolerance to. Liberal ideas, in fact, everything this is inherent in the russian regime today, completely and entirely. Another thing is. That if already, for example, many of the famous historians, for example, lets take timothy snyder, who clearly promotes exactly the fascist basis, the fascist explanation of the russian ideological basics, then we have to understand that in principle. In comparison with what happened in 2014, when putin started his expansion, land and aggression wars, still the su happened, another thing that didnt happen to the end, and here we have to look at which, which the connection of the european, in particular, the western economy, with scarce energy resources, and here, i believe, is the main reason why the west mistakenly believed until 2022 that it is possible to conduct a dialogue with putin in one way or another, this dialogue will lead to something sooner or later, and therefore all ukraines warnings, which sounded after 2014, were, unfortunately. For the western world, the voice of a howler in the desert, and when today we do not have to prove anything to the west, to our partners, to the European Countries, and there is a need to gain time in a certain way by supporting ukraine and not finally severing relations with russia. In order to replace the dependence on resources for trade with russia with other sources, they already understand that a war with russia, if not very much, if not is not, and not is not. Yes, it is very likely, at least if we see the behavior of france now, the same france that is suffering from russian attacks in africa, where pmk wagner poses very strong problems to the french legion and in general to french interests on the african continent. And yet, a representative of france came to the so called inauguration of putin and was one of the six European Countries that attended this event, that is, until the event, the western partners will not be able to finally break away from russian resources, which they consider themselves tied decades after the collapse of the soviet union. And i think that there will be no open recognition of the russian regime as fascist, there will only be a gradual strengthening of the rhetoric. Well, mr. Volodymyr, what is the danger of this, i would say, politicaleconomic color blindness, or pretended politicaleconomic color blindness, when some of the european states, well at least six, which were represented at the socalled inauguration of the socalled president of the Russian Federation , how it threatens the world, i. E. The fact that putin is perceived or they recognize him as the president , and they dont say whether he is a selfproclaimed president , whether he is an illegitimate president , whether he is a dictator, that is, they dont resort to such definitions, how does this threaten the world . Well, we see that , for example, the United States of america did not recognize the russian elections as democratic, but recognized putin as the president , that is, they. Open, lets say, not a door, but a room for possible agreements with a dictator, well , thats how they always behaved with dictators , until finally these opportunities are not for them were closed, and the west is actually now trying, lets say, not to permanently lose ties with the Russian Federation, and here. It is precisely for the west that it is also an important moment to win this time, because the costs, in particular on the european continent of most nato countries on. On defense needs were much less than 2 of gdp, which are indicated in the founding documents of the north atlantic alliance, and now in fact, i know absolutely clearly that both poland, and germany, and france, they are actively arming themselves, poland is especially active, and therefore, in order to be able to already meet. The enemy, who will inevitably, i still believe, will try to enter into a direct conflict with nato, they need to buy their time, this is such a model, in principle, which, if to take ukraine as an analogy, it was a model of the minsk agreements, when a much better armed and prepared russian army could simply crush the Ukrainian Army that was completely destroyed and robbed during yanukovychs time, which at that time could not resist in a direct confrontation effectively and that is why the minsk agreements were invented, which became in a certain way and by hook for putin and sometimes in order to win over ukraine and restore the armed forces, now europe. Is also trying to do it, another thing, well, the question here is whether it will be too late, i think we will see at the end of the year where, in my personal opinion, the greatest opportunities, the window of opportunity for putin, regarding in order to test natos unity and strength, meanwhile, the ministry of Foreign Affairs of ukraine officially declared that they do not see the right grounds for recognizing the russian dictator putin. The president of the Russian Federation, since the provisions of Numerous International documents were violated during the socalled elections in russia, in particular due to the organization of the election process in the occupied territories, i will quote the statement of the ministry of Foreign Affairs of ukraine. Based on the above, as well as taking into account the current warrant of the International Criminal court for putins arrest, ukraine sees no legal grounds for recognizing him as the democratically elected and legitimate president of the Russian Federation. Mr. Volodymyr, just a few weeks ago, the European Parliament passed resolutions. In the resolution, in which he stated that no you, the status of the president according to putin is not recognized, it is clear that the resolution of the European Parliament, it is of a recommendatory character, has a recommendatory character or a declarative character, in your opinion, and how many European Countries, referring to this resolution, will not recognize the powers of putin. Or its legitimacy . And i think that we will see attempts to go through the cracks until it finally becomes clear that putin is the enemy of europe, that is , a little bit of chamberlainism in europe, and, unfortunately, more churchills in this world they dont therefore, i think that the policy will be as cautious as possible, but i am absolutely sure that preparations for the deterioration of relations with the russian dictatorship and an understanding of all the consequences of the racist regime are now in europe and they will now try to, well, lets say so for now. The opportunity to counteract russian influence in the south on the global south and hinder the creation of strong alliances with countries that were in economic blocs with russia, for example, brics, and therefore, i think, there will now be a kind of preparatory, lets say, diplomatic war. Well, it is clear that if it is won by a global event, so to speak, yes, then it will be much easier to create conditions for taking the russian dictator in a pinch, but here we need a very active and well coordinated work at but. At least i see chinas efforts to drive a wedge, in particular between the United States and the same france, when uh, diplomacy. Support for the creation of alternative nato alliances, it does not cause problems for china, and then, this visit is xi jinpings last to france, by the way, he was also significant in the sense that he did not go to moscow, chose the european tour, it opens up opportunities to play with china, but china will, i think, try to. Kill, well, make such a decision unity between the key players in the western world in order to accordingly establish their goal of creating a second powerful pole and returning the world to a bipolar option, only where the second pole will no longer be the soviet union, but namely. China, against the background of how we in ukraine discuss putins illegitimacy and hear the calls of meps that putins authority should not be recognized, the kremlin is trying to delegitimize president zelenskyi, well , at least during the last month there have been repeated statements that after may 20, 2024, when five years have passed since the inauguration of president zelenskyi, zelenskyi , they say, will lose its legitimacy, and for russia, zelenskyi will not be the current president , well, at least lavrov said so, and representatives of the putin administration, for whom are these arguments about zelenskyis illegitimacy convincing . I think that the split that is happening is political in ukrainian. In society instead of unity, he is there, well, those who want to get rid of the Current Power impatiently, then they support this idea, but here it is important to understand the legal nature of everything that is happening, and article, if i am not mistaken, 108 of the constitution, i am on these. I may be wrong, but the constitution clearly states that the president of ukraine continues to exercise his powers until the newly elected president of ukraine takes office. And on the other hand, there is a solution of the Constitutional Court of may 15, 2014, and. Which, in response to the submission of 104 peoples deputies of ukraine, clearly defined, unequivocally and absolutely, that the president of ukraine is elected for a term of 5 years, and such a moment also creates in ukraine, that is what gives the opportunity for these discussions, which are spreading and which are actively fueled today. For this, of course, it was necessary to think in advance, and the office of the president itself should make a submission to the Constitutional Court regarding the interpretation during the martial law, but they did not do this, as far as i know, they even talked about the fact that they were afraid of a negative conclusion, but thats just the way it is. Such a small legal failure, which creates all these conversations, however, zelensky will fulfill the powers of the president of ukraine according to the constitution before taking office as the newly elected president of ukraine. Then there will be only, i think, discussions about the legitimacy of making certain decisions. And here i see the greatest danger. Which arises due to the lack of interpretation of powers by the Constitutional Court the continuation of the president s powers during martial law, however, Ukrainian Society and the western world in general, well, in principle , the western world is ready to support and recognize the legitimacy of the president after may 20, since another option is provided. Continuity of power in the Current Conditions simply does not exist. Thank you, mr. Volodymyr, for the conversation, this was volodymyr ariev, peoples deputy of ukraine. Friends, i will remind you that we work directly. Broadcast on the espresso tv channel, as well as on our youtube and facebook platforms. For those who are watching us now live on these platforms, please subscribe to our pages, and also take part in our survey. Today we ask you about this, do you see direct parallels between putins and hitlers regimes . Yes, no, everything is quite simple on youtube, if you have a different opinion, please leave it in the comments below this video. If youre watching us on tv, pick up your smartphone or phone and vote if you see these. All calls to these numbers are free, vote, at the end of the program well pick up the results of this vote. Next, we will be in touch with Valery Romanenko, aviation expert, leading researcher of the state aviation museum. Mr. Valery, i congratulate you, thank you for being with us today. Yes, thank you for the invitation, good evening. Good evening to you too. So, ukraine survived another massive missile attack, at night Russian Troops attacked ukraine with 55 missiles of various types and 21 attack drones, 59 enemy targets were destroyed, the air force of the armed forces of ukraine reported. The target of the attack was Energy Facilities in various regions of ukraine, there is damage in kyiv and in the kyiv region, 14 residential buildings were destroyed and damaged, unfortunately, two people were injured. Mr. Valery, what are the features of the latest strikes by the russian invaders on the territory of ukraine, how do they differ from what happened before, and most importantly, what are they still capable of, in addition to these socalled combined strikes, maybe some new specifics appear of these strikes, or some special missiles, or special. Means of destroying our civil infrastructure . Well, the russians have moved to a classic, modern noncontact war, a networkcentric noncontact war, when the main task of the armed forces, well, the war is taking place somewhere on the front line, yes, but the main task is to destroy the infrastructure, management systems, industry, transport system. Of another state, and the one who implements it first will win the war, but the russians are now trying to implement this concept, the concept in practice, for this purpose they use the means intended for this, the proper purpose for this purpose, longrange missiles, such as ballistic, and airballistic, and winged, yes, and drones, here, the only thing, the only difference, they forgot that our rear is europe and the United States, apart from everything. Yes, in addition to the fact that we, we also produce something from weapons, here, but the russians now want to implement their idea of fixing, to drive the ukrainians into a cave, that is, they could not do anything with the armed forces, and now, following the example of syria, they want to play back to the civilian population, that is, it means that they, it is clear that they started strikes not only on. The strikes began at the hydroelectric power stations, but they also hit the stria, where our gas and gas storage is actually located near it, yes, that is , the Gas Transportation system is already under the sights, lets say, yes, or our gas reserves, because before the russians did not shoot at the Gas Transportation system , because in general its allies in europe are hungary. There is slovakia, yes, they receive gas through ukraine, yes, they received gas in any case, there, i dont know how now, but now, and as for the new means of defeat, well, the standard ones, which we have been used to for two years, the last sometimes kh69 missiles were added, i apologize, yes, kha69 missiles were added, so, well, yes, in general, nothing new, practically. Well , the only thing is that one of the main russian missiles x 101 came out, now the russians are using a modern, well, improved version, a version with an increased warhead, by the way, the defense express publication published photos of this missile, the downed todays x101 missile, its the serial number indicates that it was manufactured in the Second Quarter of 24, so. It was literally used off the assembly line, besides had a double warhead, the russians talked a lot about this double part and this missile and. They talked about the fact that they are modernizing this miss